A Different Perspective with Jeff Woz

This is my story, my journey by Jeff Woz

This was an interview given on Saturday, April 14, 2012
The Six Screens of the Watchtower
Telephone Conference Call
7 pm EST
Hosted by Richard Rawe

I was introduced and instead of a simple hour-long question and answer format, I elected just to tell my story. This was a similar story I gave at a Catholic Retreat weekend (2009). The story that I gave at that Retreat was highly received even one member who I knew from childhood came up to me telling me wow what a story that it was better than his. I was then asked to give it again 6 months later at the next retreat with an update so I thought I would elect to recreate it some on this Six Screens interview. When I finished, Richard Rawe asked me some things to finish the hour then phone lines where opened up for comments from listeners that I believe streamed from around the world. Rick Fearon of the Six Screens of the Watchtower came on and said that during my story of hearing the experiences that I went through kept both him and his wife on the edge of their seats listening. I believe that he or someone also commented wow another victim of the Watchtower Organization.

This was an interview given on Saturday, April 14, 2012
The Six Screens of the Watchtower
Telephone Conference Call
7 pm EST
Hosted by Richard Rawe

I was introduced and instead of a simple hour-long question and answer format, I elected just to tell my story. This was a similar story I gave at a Catholic Retreat weekend (2009). The story that I gave at that Retreat was highly received even one member who I knew from childhood came up to me telling me wow what a story that it was better than his. I was then asked to give it again 6 months later at the next retreat with an update so I thought I would elect to recreate it some on this Six Screens interview. When I finished, Richard Rawe asked me some things to finish the hour then phone lines where opened up for comments from listeners that I believe streamed from around the world. Rick Fearon of the Six Screens of the Watchtower came on and said that during my story of hearing the experiences that I went through kept both him and his wife on the edge of their seats listening. I believe that he or someone also commented wow another victim of the Watchtower Organization.

Here is the
Richard Rawe Interview

Hello: I am Jeff

I lived all my life of 54 years (now 56) in N.W. Indiana with 5 siblings. I was never married. I am #2 in line with 2 brothers & 3 sisters. My Folks who are based in Catholic faith started us kids in school here at a Catholic School. My youngest 2 siblings are twins and they started them in public schools. Something to do with keeping them in separate classrooms so they wouldn’t compete with each other. I had Nuns as teachers for 3 of those grades of 1 thru 6. My 2nd-grade teacher had a son who became a Priest.

14 days after I was born, I was baptized into the Catholic faith.
I received my first communion in October of 1966.
I was confirmed in May of 1967 by a Catholic Bishop.

My mother who grew up as Methodist converted to be Catholic when she married my Dad. My Dad’s Mother insisted they shared in the same faith so my Mother took some instructions which led to her final conversion. I believe that satisfied my Dad’s Mother. My closest Great Grandparents on my Dad’s Mother’s side immigrated from Poland in 1903 and are devoted Catholics so the tradition carried on. Recently I learned that my Mom’s Dad who died in 1944 was born in England.

When my Dad was growing up into his teen years, his Mother used the saying that she would not do his laundry and other things for him if he would not go to Church. When he grew older and married and had us, kids, he did not go to Mass regularly but only on special occasions. This was a rebellious act in his adulthood because of his Mother’s ways of getting him to go to Church. Us kids did not have the proper Catholic upbringing and instruction as some devoted Catholic families have. We were kind of on our own as what we want to believe in and where to grow in religious faith.

When I went through my first communion with confirmation soon afterward, at this time I did not actually know how important it was as to our faith. It was like I was being pushed through the motions because of what was expected of family obligations, expectations, and Catholic School class requirements.

In my childhood years, my Mother got involved in religious education for the younger children in the parish. Later she was put in charge of it. She used old classrooms formerly used for 1st grade at our old school. Back then while parents were at Mass next door the children were at religious ed. My Dad, however, was not the Churchgoer then; therefore did not take us to Mass. He was not there when he could have been instructing us in Catholic ways as the head of the family should be.

The following was learned while being a Jehovah’s Witness that I like to quote.
In 2nd Timothy, chapter 3 it says “that from infancy you have known the sacred scriptures” and “is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness; and in Ephesians, chapter 6 “Fathers,” “bring them up with the training and instruction of the Lord”; and in Proverbs, chapter 6 “Train a boy in the way he should go; even when he is old, he will not swerve from it.”; and finally in Deuteronomy, chapter 6 “Drill them into your children. Speak of them at home and abroad, whether you are busy or at rest”.

All 4 of these scriptures meaning, Teach the scriptures to your children.

( in 2nd Tim 3:15-17, in Eph. 6:4, in Prov. 22:6, and finally Deut. 6:7)

My mother was so involved in religious education at the Church with other kids that we kid Siblings did not receive the same attention so our spiritual needs were not being looked after by bible duties that Parents have for the upbringing of children. Again I repeat “we were on our own”. My Siblings however really did not further into any Religious Faith on their own; only when a situation arises then go to a Church or by an invitation.

Once out of Catholic schools and into the Public School system from grades 7 through 12 my faith in being Catholic, my participation and attendance at Church went down to nearly nothing. I then was leading towards a worldly immoral type of life I was beginning to loathe and feel I was helpless to control. For 30 yrs, I battled this. In time I developed an obsessive-compulsive type personality. A sign of a perfectionist. It seemed I had to be perfect to please everyone to be accepted, liked and loved not aware that the one I really need to please is GOD.

Before those initial first jobs, I led a sheltered life and now working in a Jail environment has opened me up to the reality of the world that I was not ready and trained for. I had somewhat of a put people-first attitude in a way similar (as in Gal 6:2). It was like I was sharing and bearing their burdens. But some people abused my generosity. People had manipulated me at times and succeeded it at some of those times. A Jail environment is a haven for being manipulated. Being naive I fell to people's tricks and deceptions for their own gain which I was continuously being taken advantaged of without any gratitude.

On July 13 of 1991, I was on a dive rescue of a teen on the southern shores of Lake Michigan and I ended up saving my soon to be ex-brother-in-law also a member of the dive rescue team from drowning. The waters were extremely bad. The undertow was very intense. (compare Psalms chapter 42 in the latter part of verse 8 “all your waves and breakers sweep over me” and I then asked like ‘in verse 4‘ “where is my God?”) but I kept my cool (like silently praying to God for help) and used what I was trained in to stay away from the undertow and get him to shore. It was like Jonah in the belly of a fish ready to be vomited onto dry land. In the meantime, a Coast Guard helicopter was en route to pull us out if needed. I finally got my brother-in-law out without any further assistance from dive training I had learned. The teen was recovered 2 days later when the water finally calmed down. The only other thing recovered was my weight belt which I let go 2 days earlier to stay alive and on top of the water away from the undertow.

I was even betrayed in my opinion by a former Sheriff in the late ’80s for a proper promotion but that’s another story.

Some years later I learned from a retiring supervisor that a certain former Sheriff held me back for his own gain. Something I suspected for some time. I had been doing it seems like double the work of others and some of this work was detailed technical work. This was the era before computers not the computer type technical work today. Through the betrayal from the Sheriff, he had been lying to me and about me and caught him.
I did Jail Investigations even to the point of outdoing a type of investigation that Road Officers had difficulty doing out in the field. An investigation where charges were filed by me alone and I was in Court at a later time to see the subject get the maximum sentence. This experience is very similar in ways that are in Daniel chapter 13 (New American Bible edition) to me.

Losing me from the Jail would make the Jail Division suffer the loss of a very skilled person with no one ever capable to take my place. Do you think I may have been too valuable to promote to another area? Something to think about. As I attempted to apply to other outside departments, the Sheriff did the same by cleverly putting some doubt in their minds of my actual qualifications and potential. When tested for an outside department at one time, I scored a 99 out of a 100 on their timed aptitude test. They advised that no one would be able to finish the test but I did and even managed to get a 99.

My Dad at least brought me up to respect the Police and learned through bible scripture later as a Jehovah’s Witness to be in subjection to the Superior Authorities because they are put there by God. (as stated in 1 Peter 2:13&17, and Romans 13:1) At this time how can I respect them when they lie to me.

When the Sheriff ran for re-election, he lost big time to an Indiana State Officer. He was dumbfounded and could not understand why he lost even to a point shaking his head. I learned through time that this Sheriff also took other people the citizens for granted without gratitude and thanks and the people of the county remembered it at election time.

Working at a Jail let me see the more negative side of life. I had to deal with drunks, drug addicts, saw domestic problems, thieves, liars, murderers, and the sort. On rare occasions, we got active and former Jehovah’s Witnesses. Some I knew and I had to deal with them there. I even brought some Society Magazines to them while they were in our Jail. Approval by Elders also for taking some to Disfellowshipped Witnesses. One non-witness whose ex-wife became a Witness refused to deal with me or speak to me because I was a Witness. As a supervisor in the Intake area, I needed to take me out of the picture and had to assign someone else to deal with him as not to excel in the situation because of the hatred he had for me as a Witness - not as a Deputy.

I even had to deal with Jail suicides and deaths right in front of me. I saw more than a normal person. I was turned off to alcohol in time and I never liked what drugs do to you. I had to become in time a man without feeling. My heart was becoming hard and closed. I felt I needed some balance in my life so I returned to church more often. I attended most Sunday Masses that I can. I was asked in time to be a Lector so I said “yes”. I first lectured at our former Church building. I was not a public speaking type of guy back then. Lecturing is reading usually one scripture from the O.T. and one from the N.T.

One Sunday Mass a Deacon was proceeding up the aisle and needed a lector and he caught sight of me and gestured and I stepped in procession without practice and readiness. I got through it. That was my first time without the practice of how it should be read with feeling. From then on I was ready to step up when needed.

In time we went to our current Church building that was recently been built (the late 80‘s). I was asked to run for Parish Council which I served for 3 years with the last year as Vice-President. I was even approached and asked if I would consider being a Deacon. A pre-step to Priesthood. But I did not think that was the balance I was searching for. I did not feel the calling as it is called.

At that time I felt inadequate and unfilled as a Catholic. I asked myself “is there anything more to learn and do within my growth of spirituality and understanding of scripture?”. All I was doing was going to Mass and that’s it just like everybody else. There was not any type of ministries or bible type studies that I know of I could have attended then. I was thirsty for God’s word not just by reading or hearing at Mass but also with some type of study or group discussion.

Then I met a young woman who was very conscious of her religious upbringing. Her dad is Catholic while her mom a Jehovah’s Witness. She preferred her mom’s faith and was steadfast in it but not baptized yet. We began to compare and share our two different bibles and I began to think this may be what I am looking for. This young woman and I shared scriptures and in a short time, we went to meetings at the Kingdom Hall. We had to keep this from her dad who was very objectionable. We would tell him that we were going to the mall or a movie but in reality, we were heading to the Kingdom Hall after a change of dress clothes elsewhere. When I picked her up from her home, I first go to her bedroom window where she was waiting. She would throw out a bag of her dress clothes to me. I then would put them in my car and then go to the front door as nothing ever happened. We left not letting her dad on as what we had planned. After attending a few initial meetings, it led to a personal bible study with a Brother about my age either at his home or mine. He seemed to know the bible very well and gave me a good impression I was on the right track. The young woman friend who earlier we had compared our two bibles together did come along a lot and the Brother’s wife a Sister conducted a study with her in another room. Her mother was aware and OK with this.

God’s word started to come alive to me. It appeared that the words sharper than a two-edged sword became flesh like it was penetrating every part of my body (as in Heb 4:12). Brothers explained deeply what the word meant. I wanted and obsessed in everlasting life and I searched the scriptures because I thought I would have eternal life through them but I still was not coming to him and letting him in. (John 5:39,40) During public talks, a topic was discussed and many scriptures were brought into the talk. It is as I was asking God to place his words into my mouth so I can devour it as in Jeremiah chapters 1 and 15.

I got to know the bible very well and knew where to go to each book exactly. The New World Translation bible has books missing that are in the Catholic bible even chapters missing in at least one book. In the nearly 10 yrs I was there, I have been exposed to more scriptures than ever and it started to take a toll on me physically, mentally and emotionally because of this slow ever-developing obsessive-compulsive type personality. It was like scripture overload. I lost the ability to meditate on them and apply them to my daily life. I believe my type of personality was keeping me within the Jehovah’s Witnesses especially with an Organization as it is and making it worst on me but I continued on. It was the obsession part of the personality. I was having problems putting on that new personality as in (Eph. 4:22-24)

I was baptized on November 5th of 2004. I would have been baptized much earlier but there was an issue with me and my employment. I was employed with our County Sheriff’s Dept and besides being in uniform, I carried a service revolver. Our local Elders said I could not get baptized if I remain carrying a sidearm for employment. After several years of bible study lessons in many books, my bible study Brother after getting cleared talked to ones at Bethel about the issue. Bethel said I can get baptized, go out in service, do what I can remember the # 2 & # 4 talks at the Ministry school but I can not hold any positions as a Ministerial Servant or Elder.

Soon I worked on getting with three separate elders to go over the many (150 or so) questions towards baptism. After that, I was baptized that November of 2004 at the next assembly. It was like déjà vu as being pushed through the motions again even though I had some trouble answering some questions so the Congregation can have another baptized Brother with them probably for a statistical aspect.

Six months after being baptized in that faith, my Dad passed away in May of 2005. At his Catholic Funeral, I had to watch the way I was interacting in the Service for I was a Witness. Some Elders reminded me of some things before I went. More family responsibility and duties were put onto my shoulders. The day before his death at VNA Hospice, my Dad asked one thing of me to take care of Mom and pay the taxes. This I learned through scripture at meetings a responsibility to the aged ones meaning your parents and the paying of taxes. (as in Romans 13:6&7, and 1 Timothy 5:3-8) I am glad I know that today. My Mom is 80 years old and she needs help and a watchful eye.

At that time I essentially had taken on as caregiver for my Mother who has mobility and dementia issues. Being there and living there before and after my Dad’s passing left my Siblings to think everything is the same as always even though Dad is gone. They still think they do not need to be involved now as before. Even my Siblings have been taking me for granted for years. They all still keep their distance as before so I take care of all the family estate and see to her needs as I am accustomed to do as usual. I think this may be keeping me from self-improvement and going on with life like others. I am looking after my mom basically 24/7. My Siblings do not know what a Caregiver goes through. We do have some paid help but it is very minimal time that is involved. My mother is afraid to ask her other kids for help knowing they would not really be there for her in a timely fashion. My Mother even says to me that she knows what I am going through. At times she feels guilty for counting on me too much. She even cries for me. My work advised me that I qualified for the family leave act if I needed to use it. I remained working.

About 2 years ago, two of my sisters did step in to assist our mother more with some help when she had been admitted to the hospital for 9 days and then transferred to a Nursing Home for a 2-month rehab stay. During that 2 month stay, I had to work mostly on my own to make our home more safe for our Mother by putting in new special carpeting and flooring. I have Siblings of two local brothers and one sister who had lived in Atlanta and now with a very recent move to Cincinnati do not assist much at all. (My Mother has now been home ever since then and I feel I have the same duties if not more as before.)

My work performance and ethics suffered. I was surrounded by so many negative things that I was weak and unable to apply bible instructions into my life. I went to my Elders in the congregation for help on an issue (like a confession). The first time they saw how repentant I was and a Reproof or Reproved was announced at the next meeting before the Congregation. One Elder worked with me with articles but because of his personality, it was not helping. The Elder was not a professional in handling such assistance. The problem issue continued and I went to them again for help two months later. I asked myself “what is going on with me?”. “I did not want to be this way.” It was like I was in a scandal that I could not see it. After a second judicial hearing, I was put outside (disfellowshipped) from the Congregation in total shock and embarrassment. I was in the Elders room while another Congregation Sunday meeting was going on. After being told I was disfellowshipped I was led out the side door and had to walk onto the grass to my car. I did appeal the decision and met with them again some weeks later with three outside Elders from other Congregations with the three original Elders in attendance. They reconfirmed the decision. An observation while sitting at the Elders table was this brown plastic box the size you would store magazines in. As a Law Enforcement Officer trained in certain matters (observing things) my first thought what’s the purpose of it sitting there? I then thought of two things. Number 1 was it a firearm in case I went mental and number 2 was it a tape recorder to record the hearing for future use if needed since none of the Original Elders observed a judicial decision being appealed and what may happen afterward.

This meant that even though I can still go to meetings that I can not have any contact or fellowship with members there or outside until I get reinstated in good standing which could take time.

One Elder said at one time looking straight at me with a strange look saying “that it could take years and years to get reinstated“. This same Elder knew of my obsessive problem and wondered if I could turn that around and use it to serve Jehovah and the organization. After a while, I thought of that but that could be dangerous in doing because the type of obsession and compulsion was not a healthy one. You should not obsessively dangerously serve Jehovah but only from what you can give and do with your heart and normal strength. These Elders would not even suggest to me to seek some type of outside help because of their beliefs and only the Bible is where you get help. I started to have some concerns about their authoritative structure and the ways they handle the flock. It looked like they wanted to have complete control of you and your life. They try to pry into your personal life to see if you are holding the faith. They are so obsessed about keeping their congregation clean. They keep detailed records on you even your transgressions even before being baptized while in a bible study with a Brother reporting confidential conversation to them. They were treating me as an evil man ready to corrupt the Congregation but I would not consider doing so and bring them within my issues even corrupting them. My confessed transgression never involved any Witnesses. They left me without any support system.

After reviewing the certain scriptures that pertain to putting people outside the congregation reference my situation, I came to realize in my opinion and understanding that the organization misinterpreted those scriptures in dealing with me. Professionals that I sought out later advised me that what was going on with me was primarily due to short term reckless behavior from the grieving process of the loss of my Dad. In my case, in time my behavior would return to normal. My older Sibling Brother went through something similar. The Elders are not trained professionals in understanding and are headstrong more at looking up needed scriptures to protect the Congregation and not concerned with the healthy welfare of their flock/congregation and advising for you to get help.

(God made us be unique and separate individuals and knowing we do fall short from the Glory of God and not perfect. That is why he sent Jesus Christ for us and Jesus does not get enough respect as to his role in saving mankind.)

My professional work still suffered in which I took a medical leave and upon return, I ended up retiring more than 4 yrs ago much earlier than I wanted to after 23 yrs of service and had not worked since. There is a story there too as to my unusual exit and treatment. Another betrayal of sorts. I am living off the family trust as a caregiver for my Mom and my pension will not mature until another 5 years. At that time I lost my whole social structure. I felt I was not worthy of any salvation or hope. I tried to open the bible to be consoled by scripture. I began to feel it would be in vain so I closed it with tears. At that time I realized I was spiritually broken. After a while, my mind felt it was going to shut down but I struggled. Somehow the Lord God who I knew as Jehovah or Yahweh knew my heart, my desires, dreams, and struggles that he would not tempt me beyond what I could bear and provide a way out. (as in 1 Cor. 10:13)

In time I felt a need to return to a Church. My personality type may have contributed me to abandoning being a Catholic and pursuing this type of religion unaware of the effects it would have on me and any consequences. Just a note incidentally that on October 31st of 2010 I was admitted to the Hospital for just shortness of breath. Two days later I went for an angiogram and was shocked I was headed for triple bypass surgery which was conducted on the 5th day of November, six years to the day after baptism. My Doctor observed what I had was a widow maker situation. He was also amazed at how I manage to stay active and keep up with chores and my Mother. I did discuss the blood issue to my Surgeon the day before my surgery and he said that he could not guarantee not to use any if the need arises. I was type matched with a special wristband so if needed they would use the correct one but after the surgery, my Surgeon did advise me that he did not use any additional blood at all so that was a relief.
Could it be that God was keeping me going to continue to take care of my Mother until this time was the best opportunity to get me checked out? My Sister from Atlanta happened to be in town and stayed until I came home. I am still not up to par as I want to be.

Now, where do I begin to search for spiritual help in my condition? Years ago you would need to search avenues of other bible translations, newspapers, magazines, other religious literature or the library for books and the right Good News and other help. Today you have the internet. I searched the web for answers as well as other churches. I then came across information about the Jehovah’s Witnesses on the internet that was very disturbing.

A video in part of a longer version found on YouTube conducted by a highly educated Professor M. James Penton; he was an elder who left voluntarily from the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses along with 80 others at that same time stated some of these facts of the religion.

When people leave and since then have no internalized value system.

They either explode or implode ethically and morally.

The elders leave them to think that “I am so sinful that God couldn’t even save me.

That this religion is totally destructive almost like psychological rape in some cases as well as leaves you in tremendous repression especially with the children of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Some ex Jehovah’s Witnesses had their physical health destroyed,
mental health destroyed, even their spiritual health destroyed.

Many simply find it impossible to overcome the experiences that they had.

Many had gone on for 20 yrs with the deepest hurt and deepest bitterness. It is a horrible thing when a religion which claims to be of the God of love when it does this to people. It is so awful.
It is the Pharisees of the 20th/21st century.

I also learned that there have been many occasions of former Jehovah’s Witnesses have committed suicides from the experiences they went through for being put outside of the Congregation. How brutal and mean on part of the Elders and the organization. Some other news learned is that numbers of people have been leaving the Jehovah’s Witness organization as if they are suffering from the Crisis of Conscience or in search of some Christian Freedom. Book titles of author Ray Franz which I have and read. Things posted on the internet exposing the organizations' flaws and inconsistencies. I also recently read the book “The Awakening of a Jehovah's Witness” authored by Diane Wilson. I have 2 of Professor Penton’s books that I got through an inter-library loan from my local library by titles of “Apocalypse Delayed” and “J. W. s and the Third Reich” I plan to go through these the best I can before they are due back soon. This should bring some concern about the way they handle things. I would like to thank Prof. Penton in person for that YouTube video. Also, I have seen some of Rick Fearon’s videos on YouTube as well.

These things came clear to me for me to take a step back and reevaluate my faith and research the truth as to scripture knowledge and understanding without someone lording it over you. The only thing I could and able to do is return to my former religious roots than going into a third religion. A Church and religion that goes back 2,000 years with Peter in the first Pope‘s position. Now I will reexamine all scripture more closely as to how GOD truly wants me to understand it and his true purposes. Especially issues and doctrines brought on by the W.T. Organization that need to be questioned. I have a good open mind to do so now. I pray for that young woman I talked about earlier who was steadfast in the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I do not hold anything against her for bringing me in and introducing me to the religion. Some day I may share my experiences with her so that she can see what the religion is truly is.

About two and a half years ago I came in contact with her in an unusual and unexpected setting. At that time I tried to explain my concerns for that religion. She still remains steadfast for it but she never advances in it or explores these concerns. She had since then after we had went to meetings together married a Catholic man who I also know. Her husband has no objection in me talking to her about the concerns of the Organization. I wonder if God is using me to share these concerns with her and others so they can come to a different conclusion of the Jehovah‘s Witnesses, especially under the Organization. I also pray for others like me who went through this type of experience. I do still have contacts with some former and very few still active Jehovah’s Witnesses who share the same concerns as I do but I will not expose them personally by name so they will not be subjected to the wrongful treatment they could receive from their current or former Elders and the Organization.

There is this old saying that “God works in mysterious ways”.

I was delighted to hear two short stories in chapters 13 and 14 of the book of Daniel. (New American Bible edition) They were edifying short stories intended to instruct, morally instructive, inclined to teach or moralize excessively and skillful in teaching. Interestingly, these two chapters are not in the New World Translation Bible of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I had an experience while doing a Jail Investigation that is very similar in ways that are in Daniel chapter 13 to me. That Investigation was done correctly and I was praised highly for excellent work performed out doing more seasoned Officers. I wonder what else is missing from the Catholic bible and others besides the NWT.

I had to rebuild my strength and courage to approach a Priest. First I had to confide with the one I knew. I called and invited one to my home. One who knows a lot of my family and relatives. We talked for an hour. That meeting gave me the courage to contact one from my former Church who I did not know and after several meetings he suggested I attend the next Men’s Retreat (2009) which was 3 years ago. I went onto the next retreat 6 months later as the Lay Director and gave a well-received scripture theme talk. I did not want to go on without religion with deep hurt and bitterness. I do not want to be lost and feeling without any hope for salvation. I needed a place to worship not only GOD but with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. I still have my ups and downs and continue to err at times. I still have issues I am working on but having better faith and a renewed relationship with Jesus Christ has helped me in moving forward as positive as I can. I am only Human. It is as if Jesus was speaking to me saying live in my word daily. I then remembered his words saying “I am the truth” and “do not be anxious“. His word became nourishment for me.

If I was taught the scriptures from infancy on like Timothy got from his Mother in days of old, it may have kept me much safer and well equipped. I continue to strive to pray, share the scriptures and even discern what I have gotten from them. Satan can destroy my body in many ways and deceptions but he can not take me away from God’s love and his promises. I will continue to the best of my abilities to serve God in union with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. I will attend to the reading of his word with exhortation and teaching. (1 Tim 4:13)

There are many examples of how God used his people and gave them instructions in the scriptures. Just open up the bible and read. There are safeguards and helpful teachings for you there. Also that in 2nd Timothy chapter 3 that “All scripture is inspired by God” and if we use them as we should we “may be competent and equipped for every good work.”

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I had an unusual visit to my door from 2 Brothers about 2 months after my bypass surgery in November of 2010. The elder brother who was involved with my judicial process was one of them. I was not up to par for any visit and it made me uneasy however interested anyway to see what they wanted. The younger brother who I also knew did initiate the reason for the visit was to talk. I advised them I wasn’t strong enough to talk and why. After telling them that I just recently had a triple bypass and showed them my chest scars to show them I wasn’t lying that the elder Brother became a bit furious and upset. (Personally comes off as bullish) That response made me suspicious and I felt they were there to gather some type of info other than reference me. The younger Brother asked can we come back in a month or so and I said “OK” because I was still curious about what they wanted to know. About 2 weeks later this younger Brother called me one night to see if I was ready to talk and I said “No” even though I could of anyway but I was holding them to the original agreement of at least one month. I heard in the background the elder Brother sounded furious again. The phone call ended and I hadn’t heard from them again. I feel they were on a mission to gather info and it wasn’t related to me. A few days before the memorial of 2012, a Sister who had attended the Kingdom Hall where I went stopped by for a 15-minute visit to my Mother. She had stopped by some years ago to witness to my Mother. I was present with my Mom and her to see what she would say but nothing about religion but she did mention right before she left an invitation referencing the Memorial. Could it be that she was there on a mission to get info similar to the Brothers? She now rarely comes to visit my Mother.

Well, that was the interview of 2012.

The following is new and I want to update and/or add.

This was compiled back in early 2015.

While attending certain meetings using the Bible at my now current Church that I get noticed how I get to whatever book quickly when looking up scriptures. It is the training going to J.W. meetings is what I tell them. When I Lector which is reading scripture during services that I do a great job. My voice is calm and receptive. I contribute that to the Ministry School of J.W.’s. I put feeling into it with great proclaiming. I catch myself with some gestures as well. Sometimes I surprise myself in how it all comes out. My Priest likes it when he learns that I am assigned to Lector for any special Masses during the year like Easter, Christmas, Confirmation and the like. An older Lector and I are the strongest readers in our Church.

When I was at my first Weekend Retreat in 2009 at the former Church I returned to, I heard a guy give his witness story. He mentioned that his Dad was a Jehovah's Witness. He hated the Jehovah’s Witnesses on the blood issue. His Dad needed some needed medical help with the use of blood. His Dad was steadfast in not taking in any blood. His Dad soon later died after not electing the Doctor’s to use blood and his Son hated the J.W.’s for letting his Dad die. Even though I did not include that in my written story above that I did mention it anyway during this interview. I advised that Son about the interview and he was sorry to have missed it even though I had informed him ahead of time. I told him later that I did mention his Dad’s situation.

My Mother now 82 dementia has progressed even more with sundowners. She needs more supervision which we hired more help. I can not take care and watch her as I have been doing. It has affected my health evermore. Now my Siblings have been stepping in more even recognizing that I need the rest and to work on myself. Boy, I could tell you more but not here.

About that brown box at my second judicial hearing, a listener came in after the interview to express an idea about it. That listener thinks that it may have been a tape recorder. It was further explained that the Elders may want at the hearing a recording. Possible for future action thinking of a lawsuit or criminal action. Also, I may be somewhat intimidating to them for I was a sworn-in Deputy Sheriff and if I was in a position of hearing of some wrongdoings that goes on that I may pursue investigations from the Police. They may be hiding some questionable things that may warrant Police action like protecting certain pedophilia actions within the Congregations and other related things. I recently heard of the quiet things that go on. They may of just finally wanted me gone and just thinking about that Elder saying “that it may take years and years to get reinstated” may be suggestive for me to just stay away. They may have thought that after my Baptism that I would eventually resign from the Sheriff’s Dept and pursue other employment. Then I could be one of the good ole boys.

I said “they are so obsessed with keeping their Congregation clean. They keep detailed records on you even your transgressions even before being baptized while in a bible study with a Brother reporting confidential conversation to them.” I thought that God forgets what you have done when you repent that he never brings it up again. So why do the Elders keep records on you? Compare Matthew 18:22 that you need not only to forgive up to seven times but up to seventy-seven times.

During that second hour, another listener came in and advised me to call her. She had Professor M. James Penton’s home phone number. She gave it to me because I, in fact, wanted to thank him for his work exposing what he said on YouTube and his books. I never got to call him but still would like to. I now can’t remember where I put his number. I would even like to meet him.

Now back at the Catholic Church a place of my religious roots. At times when I need to, I would compare The New American Bible translations (The Bible I utilize now) to the N.W.T. Bible. Right now mentally I need to stay put in my Church. It is still terrifying some to ever contemplate switching to some other at this time. I do respect the Bible Students and while on I take into consideration what is brought up even comments on the history of the Catholic Church. I like everyone's comments and fellowship. During the Bible Studies night, I tend to my Mother even to a point needing to mute my phone. I have it on speaker and still listen while tending to her.

One thing that has changed with the Catholic Church is when Confirmation is given. When I was in the 3rd grade we got our first Communion in the fall with Confirmation to follow in late spring before school was out for the summer. I said earlier “When I went through my first communion with confirmation soon afterward, at this time I did not actually know how important it was as to our faith. It was like I was being pushed through the motions because of what was expected of family obligations, expectations, and Catholic school class requirements.” Now students Confirmation isn’t till when they are in the 9th grade. What I get of this that they are more mature in understanding how important it is to confirm their Baptism as being a Catholic when their Parents got them baptized about 2 weeks after birth. If I was confirmed later like in the 9th grade instead of the 3rd grade then I may have been better equipped.

I feel I have been through something like when Ray Franz left the Organization about having nothing left in life and how to survive ever now. I have not worked for 7 years now and currently seeking assistance in my own health needs. My Sisters have arranged for paid help for our Mother from 8 am to 10 pm so I can work on myself. I am under severe Caregiver Burnout. I have been doing this even since my Dad died 9 years ago even to a point taking over doing some heavy things around the home for him some years before he died. My main physician advised me to apply for Social Security disability. I can say that what keeps me going is my strong faithful Christian Brothers and Sisters in Christ. My faith in the soon to come to GOD’s Kingdom with GOD, Jesus and the workings of the Holy Spirit.

Scandals: Church, Congregational or Kingdom Hall - Will always be there, act and handle appropriately. There will be at times some type of scandal within any type of Church or Faith. Act faithfully with endurance. It is unpredictable. Pray that it does not happen within your own Church or Congregation. When I said earlier “I do respect the Bible Students and while on I take into consideration what is brought up even comments of history of the Catholic Church“ is this. I feel we should have an open mind and freely disagree with some things meaning that any religious faith is not perfect. The main focus is that we are honestly following bible scriptures in our life as Christians to what we interpret them to be the way GOD inspires us. I like to add the following which came from a conference talk given by a Catholic Priest.

Remember Wolves in Sheep’s clothing - Acts 20:29,30.

He started with John 6:70,71 -- Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?” He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.

He then went on to explain. Judas stayed with our Lord Jesus even though he didn’t believe it. Judas stayed with Jesus because he saw our Lord and his ministry as a means to personal gain. He followed our Lord only out of self-interest; only out of personal ambition in just the same way that so many other corrupt clergymen, priests and religious have all down through the centuries to this day. He then asked us “Did you ever wonder why our Lord Jesus chose Judas to be one of the Twelve Apostles?” He further explained. Our Lord Jesus chose Judas to be one of the Twelve Apostles knowing all along, knowing from all eternity in fact that Judas would be the one to betray him and he chose Judas anyway. Why? Now GOD never took away Judas’ free will. Judas freely willingly chose to betray our Lord Jesus and our Lord knew he would do it and he chose him anyway. Why is it we see it is very clear. Our Lord Jesus chose Judas to be an everlasting reminder for us that we have to live with scandals in the Church. Jesus said scandals must indeed come but woo to that man by whom they come. Better for that man that he would have never been born. Better for that man that would have a millstone hung around his neck and be cast into the depths of the sea than scandalize one of these little ones that believes in me.

You see Judas is for us an everlasting reminder that not every shepherd is a good shepherd. Not every Priest is a good Priest or a faithful Priest or Holy Priest. In Judas, our Lord Jesus was warning us that wolves would come in the sheepfolds. So when you read about scandals in the Church and moral corruption among the Clergy so you know friends you should not be too shocked by what they should never shake your faith. That should never shake your faith in Jesus Christ or the Church he founded. If it ever does, please try to remember always that our Lord Jesus left us Judas as a warning. Now, these people have trouble, some trouble understanding how it was that Judas came to betray our Lord and what it was that caused Judas to lose his faith. The answer is in John chapter 6. Some of the holy ones wrote about it. You see Judas did not believe that our Lord Jesus could give his flesh and blood to be our spiritual food and drink. Judas did not believe in the revelation of the Holy Eucharist.

This came from a Catholic Priest. When he said Church, I feel it can also refer to other Faith Religions, Congregations, and ones who minister in their way and the like. Being from a Catholic background this Priest is firm of the Catholic teachings and he even has witnessed while traveling the Country giving talks of poor Priests not doing their job guiding their flocks the congregation (the Parish). I have met him in person at one of these talks. If we would have more of these type Priests out in Parishes then the Catholics could have a better role in the world of Christian teachings and understanding and putting them in their lives. In these later years, the work of evangelizing (and the word ‘Evangelize’ associated with Catholics) is going on in the Catholic Church where I never heard of it before. I have for now elected to stay put trying to what one friend told me that I am ministering in bringing Catholics into the accurate knowledge of GOD and his purposes. I have mentioned many times during some meetings that the average Catholic rarely opens up the Bible to read what is there. I was one of them until I went to the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses and their meetings. I am better equipped to discern and explain scripture more easily to Catholics. This one Priest has advised everyone to get back to the Bible, get back to the Bible. In another talk he said it another way ‘To the Laity’ I say first - Get back to the BIBLE. Get it off the shelf and dust it off. Put away the dime store novels and the TV guide. Get back to the practice of meditating on the inspired word of GOD. So right now I will ever be motivated to teach Catholics the accurate knowledge of GOD without any organizational doctrines in the way. Don’t get me wrong though that I do believe in some structure and being organized as long as it goes with scripture understanding. One thing that I observe also is that the average Catholic even though hearing of Jesus’ second coming in scripture or in the Masses that they does not know how close we are that day is close and at hand. I mention that while in discussion with members of the Catholic faith. One of these talks, a Priest even mentioned how close we are of Jesus’ coming but the average Priest rarely mentions it. So for right now, I feel that God is using me to convey these messages while time is still left. I also have family obligations with my aging Mother to tend to so some changes can be detrimental in my life. All I ask is continued encouragement and support in my efforts that I am doing the Will of GOD.

The Following is always on my mind.

If my story above should be put on the ‘Ask Jacqueline’ site
the following can be omitted unless it is beneficial in my case
and story but is always on my mind.
The last part describes generally who I am.
It does not need to be added as well.

Again this was written in 2015.

1) 144,000 (Anointed) (Small Crowd / Large Crowd) Saints, Holy Ones.
2) Blood Issue - Reference my Surgery
3) Cross, Tree, Stake - It is all wood.
4) Sins Forgotten - Keeping a Record / Matt 18:22 up to 77x
5) Partaking of the Bread and Wine
6) Gun Issue 1 Peter 2:13,17 & Romans 13:1
7) Going out in Service in Suits - It looks intimidating
8) Going Door to Door - What about other avenues? TV?
9) Songs at K.H. - not joyous enough
10) Being an Organized God - Not today with people's lifestyles.
11) Hours logged going out in service, why necessary?
12) Never Apologize for Errors in Doctrines and Teachings
Wishy-Washy, Flip-Flopping Teachings
Zig Zagging Doctrines, To & Fro Conscience (Diane Wilson)
13) Raping of my Spirit by the W.T. Society - Spiritual Rape
14) Not enough emphasis and respect for Jesus’ role
15) The Good Ole Boys' attitude.
16) Treating the Flock like Robots.
17) J.W.s - Not happy People for what I see. It seems like slavery to the Organization.
18) Befit of Repentance doing Penance. I get several explanations. Jehovah Disciplines - Not Elders.
19) Prayers will be answered in time ref ‘18’ above.
20) Higher Education - They say to be out in service is better but I see that added education can Benefit Mankind. We need to chose wisely what actually would benefit. Do not pursue worldly goals and positions.
21) 7 Billion on Earth (P above) All different Personalities and
Comprehension as to Understanding Scripture - Give Chance
22) Voting - Responsibility to replace poor Office Holders. ‘6’ above

23) Scandals: Church or K.H. - Will always be there, act appropriately. There will be at times some type of scandal within any type of Church or Faith. Act faithfully with endurance. It is unpredictable. Pray that it does not happen within yours.
24) The Trinity
25) J.W. and the Organization (W.T. Society) Too Complicated and ever-changing. Like an indecisive religion.
26) Monetary Worth of the W.T. Society Organization.

I am basically a High School graduate with very little extra schooling but that was only related to work classes and training for employment.

I appear to have a younger appearance as to my age with average health history up until November 2010 when I had an unexpected triple bypass at the age of 52. It is in the family genes.

My religion history is that I was a born and baptized Catholic who became a baptized Jehovah's Witness and now returned to my former religious roots for now.

I love Aviation, Commercial Semi Truck Driving, Bicycling, Jogging, Model Building, Gardening and working out in the Yard, I had raised Cockatiels and still have 7 and a new interest in history to the truth of any matter that comes forward especially if its related to religion as well as what to expect in future events that God has in store for us.
I had the opportunity to fly the Concorde back in 1994.

Work History: Initial first jobs starting at the age of 14

Dishwasher, Cook, Hardware Store Stocker, Auto Parts Store Stocker, Counterman, Machine Shop and Parts Delivery. Then onto Steel Mill Laborer and Asst Labor Foreman for 3 yrs to a Lay Off Status. While on Lay Off I unloaded Trucks for several McDonald’s Stores with some Maintenance Work to pay the bills.

Then at the age of 26 was hired into our Local County Jail serving as
Jail Officer to Jail Sgt with Supervisory Duties, Court Security Cpl, Supervising Booking Sgt, Jail Classification Sgt, Breathalyzer Operator, Jail Transportation of Inmates, Extraditions even carrying firearms on planes, Reserve Patrol Officer and Sgt, and Rescue / Recovery Scuba Diver.

I am not proud of some of the duties I had to perform and follow what was expected of me as an Officer in the Jail. It had an impact on me through later years.
October 2019

The Following is further on my mind.

1) My mind is still out on the Trinity Catholic doctrine. I have some thoughts about it comparing what I was taught in the Catholic faith and when a J.W. Brother was going through the Watchtower publication about dissecting that Trinity doctrine. I hope I will write a conclusion as I interpret the idea of the Trinity and how I understand it to be.
2) The 144,000.
3) About our Christian duty in voting in true honest Government Officials and to vote out those against GOD’s ideals.
4) Why not in the past the Watchtower Society help the world poor in Medical and Monetary assistance?
5) I like to explain how Catholics understand what ‘Purgatory’ is to them.
6) Repetitive praying.
7) During my 2nd judicial hearing with outside Elders and that ‘Brown Box’. A thought came to mind that a gun was hidden in it for use in case I would go ‘Postal’ with my own gun and for those Elders to defend themselves with. How often do 2nd judicial (the appeal one) hearings are they? The original three Elders from my congregation never sat through one. As a Law Enforcement Office at that time, our American Judicial process we have the right to appeal our court decision as I elected to do since the 1st judicial hearing final decision was too harsh indeed.
8) I still yet like to give Professor M. James Penton a call to thank him for his You Tube video and books.
9) I pray and hope to share more ideas and beliefs.

Update to myself November 2019

I am now 61 years of age.

Since I have composed my interview story in early 2015, my Mother passed away at the age of 83 in October 2015. In April 2015, she broke her right femur falling in our living room one morning. She yelled for help and I called 911 and she was taken to the hospital in which a rod was placed in her femur the next day. Not even a week she developed huge bedsore on her bottom which never healed after a debridement. She never came home and passed away 6 months later in a nursing home after her dementia took over. The last week she didn’t know what food was for and she stopped eating for a week. We tried our best to get her to eat spooning food to her. I was elected to choose the readings, prayers, and songs for her Funeral Mass. I read the readings at the Ambo with my one Sister standing by in case I got emotional and couldn’t finish. Our Priest who was fond of me was impressed with what I selected and he was so relaxed doing the service. He did comment to all in presence of how I did a good job in preparation. We gave her a good funeral and a cousin of mine was commented that it was the best funeral Mass she attended relaying that to her mom (my Dad’s Sister) my aunt who could not attend from Florida.

Well after that I continued to live at my Mom’s house while my Sisters were working on liquidating my Mom’s assets to her beneficiaries. At that time where would I go? That Priest at the funeral who was fond of me and knew of my predicament had something in line for me to do for the Parish. He trusted in me with long knowledge of our Parish history in which he had me serve on the Pastoral Council for 5 years (a 3-year term). He even would have trusted me with his widowed father asking me to go with him on a Panama cruise ship as his caretaker all-expense paid trip which I couldn’t go.

About 6 years ago, our Parish 166-year-old Cemetery was full. Parishioners wanted to be buried here. It came about conveniently adjacent land was up for sale and we were approached first to act on it. After several prices we were given, we accepted to purchase it. The best areas were cleared of trees, a new drive put in and a Shelter was built with 2 Columbariums from a $100,000 donation from a retired Cardiologist and his wife. The newly acquired land came with a single level 3 bedroom house which is now the Cemetery Sexton’s home. I am the Cemetery Sexton and now living in it with a job to take care of the Cemetery. I take care of the Cemetery for the rent however I am responsible for the utility bills. The Church my Parish looked out after me and took care of my predicament when I had to leave my Mother’s home. Our Priest asked me what does it take to make this house more decently livable. He granted funds for new windows, remodeled bathroom, update all electrical with some enhancements, new utility room floor and paint all ’50s looking walls. I did a lot of the work myself especially a lot of hours for the bathroom. More work is needed however waiting for extra funding and permission to do so from our new Priest of 2 years. Now I have been a Sexton for 4 years now. Just to note is that my folks, Gr parents and Gr-Gr parents are buried only 180 paces from the house. I can easily see then every day. The only odd thing is when mowing over them; I have to say Hi Mom, Hi Dad, Hi Gr Pa, Gr ma.

For the last 3 years, I have been working above and beyond what our Priest asked of me. I have been clearing overgrowth in the useless areas down in the bottomland by our east border edge which is the west side of a creek. We have a quarter-mile of creek edge which is all cleared and I have a nice area to walk along with it. You can see the creek now easily from above. I have about 40 piles of tree waste to burn which I have an Indiana State burn permit good for one year. Many folks who come to visit or see their loved ones graves have commented how this 166-year-old Cemetery looks now. I have many projects (like new drive in old area, face-lift to a 1933 grotto and shed, water and electric to the Shelter, stations of the cross, replace 140 foot of fence line, and some professional tree trimming) in mind to do within the grounds which I have many supporters but we need to ask for donations.

Brother Henry came to visit me one day and we took a walk into the Cemetery to show him what I do. I invite all my Christian Brothers and Sisters over anytime and offer up a walk around the grounds even down by the creek. Many times I take nightly walks down by the creek with a flashlight and encounter many nocturnal animals on the way.

I have now 4 cockatiels in which the oldest one a female is at 18 years and looking still great. She is the mother of the other three which are males. They all like me and several would hang out with me in the living room until they want to go back.

At the time my Mom passed away, I was scheduled to go to central Illinois for a retreat. I had to cancel and had to miss that good Priest I mentioned earlier reference “Remember Wolves in Sheep’s clothing” and “Scandals in the Church”. He is a good Priest in bible guidance and knowledge. I did meet him twice in September of 2012 at a six-night Parish Mission Conference in Kokomo, Indiana. It was being filmed for a series ‘Thirst for Truth – Battle for Souls’. I have the six C/D Mission talk. I took a carload of ladies two of those nights. Now when I had to cancel in 2015 that trip, my friends who went advised this Fr. Bill Casey (Fathers of Mercy) of my Mom’s passing that I had to cancel coming. He did give them a C/D of one of his ‘GOD HAVE MERCY ON US!’ talk signing it to me Jeff. He is one Priest that I admire for he knows of the troubles within the Catholic Church and unfaithful and controversial Priests.

The following additional verses were connected to my retreat scripture witness story that I gave in October of 2009 at my Church. This is the story that I mentioned that I composed of my Richard Rawe interview on the Six Screen of the Watchtower.

(Additional Verses)

Ephesians 6:4 * Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger but bring them up with the training and instruction of the Lord.

Proverbs 22:6 * Train a boy in the way he should go; even when he is old, he will not swerve from it.

Deuteronomy 6:7 * Drill them into your children. Speak to them at home and abroad, whether you are busy or at rest.

Galatians 6:2 * Bear one another burdens, and so you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 * Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart.

1 Corinthians 10:13 * No trial has come to you but what is human. God is faithful and will not let you be tried beyond your strength; but with the trial, he will also provide a way out, so that you may be able to bear it.

1 Peter 2:13,17 * Be subject to every human institution for the Lords sake Whether it be to the king as supreme ….. Give honor to all, love the community, fear God, honor the king.

Romans 13:1,6,7 * Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is not authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. …. This is why you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Pay to all their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, toll to whom toll is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.

(Misc. for meditation) Ephesians 4:22-24, Colossians 3:9,10, Ephesians 6:13-17, Titus 3:1
Jeremiah 1:9, 15:16, Ps 42:4,8, Proverbs 13:20, 1 Peter 3:15, Luke 9:23, 1 Timothy 5:3-8

Book of Daniel:

Chapters 1-5: King Nebuchadnezzar, Chapter 6-12: other writings,
Chapter 13: Incident of Susanna’s Virtue, Chapter 14: Daniel and the Lions Den

If I only knew of these other verses earlier, my life would have been different and better.

Ps 1:1, 146:3, Proverbs 9:10, 91:20, 29:21, Isaiah 54:17, Jeremiah 10:23, 17:5,9,
Matthew 10:22, John 15:19, Romans 6:16, I Corinthians 7:23, 2 Corinthians 6:14,
2 Timothy 3:1-9, James 1:22, 1 Peter 5:8, 1 John 2:15, 5:19

(Good one to think about) 1 Corinthians 15:33 * Do not be led astray: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” or another translation - Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits.

 

35 Responses to A Different Perspective with Jeff Woz

  1. jacqueline says:

    Jeff, I did look at some of her interviews and have been on some forums with her. You know I was looking at the organization that is hosting this. I couldn’t quite understand if they are against organized religion or God or what. What are your thoughts on this? Do you understand what they are saying
    Amber Scorah has a lot more to her story, hopefully, she discussed it in her book. Thanks for posting.

  2. Jeff Woz says:

    Ref Amber Scorah ‘Leaving the Witness’ – Exiting a Religion and Finding a Life.

    I found this you tube video and want to share it here.

    It is an interview with Amber Scorah who wrote the book ‘Leaving the Witness’. There is another 2 dozen videos ref her and may be of interest to some here.

    https://youtu.be/uBA-sQa5pvs

  3. Lee Anthony says:

    The Bible says there is a place prepared for the devil and his angels, that being the lake of fire. They are called angels here, these It seems are those who fought alongside satan in heaven and were cast down with him, as for those that fell in genesis they would be the ones in Tartarus a prison that the Bible says “the angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deep darkness for the judgment on the great day.” He has kept them there until that day so they have been there since, the rest followed satan later in rebellion and some perhaps rebelled themselves for whatever reasons they having free will and an understanding of good and evil long before Adam and Eve did, so they are full of knowledge and obviously like satan do not make good with this knowledge. So many! A third of the stars of the heavens They are said to have been pulled down by the dragon. Are they demons now that they have been cast to the earth with little time left to go to cause all the problems we can cause and give mankind A little “hell”. Hmmm…. I will say they all got to choose since they were all created beings and they all chose to go against God..

  4. jacqueline says:

    Jeff and hopefully you won’t see a shedim, lol.
    Scripture makes it very clear that demons exist, it does not, however, tell us where they came from. Though various theories have been put forward, no one knows for certain about their origin. The Bible simply does not tell us.
    But I noticed angels and spirits mentioned as separate here:
    Acts 23:8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)
    Act 23:9 There was a great uproar, and some of the teachers of the law who were Pharisees stood up and argued vigorously. “We find nothing wrong with this man,” they said. “What if a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

    Jesus discussed this without really saying who the demons were ut showed he had power over them and later we know he gave the apostles power over them.

    Matt 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

    Box Mat 12:25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

    Mat 12:26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

    Mat 12:27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.

    Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

    The Apostles had power to drive demons out.
    English Standard Version
    And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction.

    Demons know they will be judged but they aren’t mentioned in Rev. 20 to my knowledge.

    Suddenly they shouted, “What have You to do with us, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?” (Matthew 8:29).

    They realize the identity of Jesus. They also know that torment is their ultimate destiny when Christ judges all unbelief.

    This is all I got, my jury is still out as to their being powerful fallen angels.

  5. Jeff Woz says:

    Demons and Fallen Angels – is there a Difference?

    Brother Henry wondered are Fallen Angels and Demons the same. I asked a young Priest of two and half years being ordained in my Parish what he thought. He was puzzled in some way what I was asking of. I felt he was thinking as a Theologian and not as a lay person way of understanding. So I am going to ask him again after gaining the needed scriptures to support the lay person interpretation. I also will ask more senior Priests the same in time. But first I want to share the following You Tube video which simply may explain how we can see it or until something else comes up a better understanding one.

    https://youtu.be/VHMwVJr-MCM

    This video mentions several bible verses.

    Revelation 12:7-9 – Mentions Satan and its angels (fallen) thrown down to earth.
    Genesis 6:1-4 – Mentions the Nephilim as the sons of god, heroes of old, men of renown of the off-springs of the fallen angels and daughters of men.

    It also mentions saying other angels being cast into Tartarus in 2 Peter 2:4 as well similar in Jude 6. Tartarus is the Greek word for “kept in chains of darkness” or “kept in darkness”. (Compare Rev. 20:1,2) These other angels as I see and understand is not the fallen angels that were hurled down to earth. They were another class of angels who did not keep to their own domain but deserted their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains, in gloom (dungeons), for the judgment of the great day as in Jude 6. In the NIV ‘Tartarus’ was not in 2 Peter 2 verse 4 but was mentioned in the foot note along with “in gloomy dungeons”.

    As I can understand is that demons are those evil spirits that try to inhabit people or unclean spirits but they’re not called the fallen angels. Demons were the once Nephilim who now want to get back into a human body in order to do no good. They take advantage of each persons human weakness in order to bring them down. So demons the evil spirits, all unclean spirits and the ‘no-gods’ and the like are creations and works of the dead Nephilim.

    Please share any comments you feel within the same thoughts on this.

    On another note on ref demons. Psalms 106:37 “They sacrificed to the gods” the gods here can be referred to the Shedim as well as in Deut. 32:17 “They offered sacrifice to demons, to ‘no-gods’, to gods whom they had not known before.” The ‘no-gods’ could be as well the Shedim.

    Shedim are said to have had the feet and claws of a rooster and share some characteristics both of humans and angels. Like angels, they know the future and have wings, but like humans they eat, drink, procreate and die. They can also cause sickness and misfortune.
    The shedim are not always seen as malicious creatures and are also considered to be helpful to humans.
    The shedim are supposed to follow the dead or fly around graves.

    Since I work as a Cemetery Sexton, should I watch out for those shedim that may be flying around graves? I hadn’t seen any yet. Just a thought.

  6. jacqueline says:

    Jeff wow, What a great poem. That expresses what Christians think of during this season. Thank you so much..
    You come up with such nice Poems.

  7. Jeff Woz says:

    The story of Twas the Night Before Christmas as some may of heard in years past but what about today? Since we are in the season, let us see in this one version I received in an e-mail.

    Twas the Night Before Christmas – Christian Version
    By: Heather Wilson-Smith & Melanie Etheridge

    Twas the night before Christmas & all through the house
    Not a creature was praying – not one in the house
    Their Bibles were lain on the shelf without care
    Because Mom and Dad were too busy to share.

    The children were dressing to crawl into bed
    Not once ever kneeling or bowing thier heads
    Mom’s wrapping gifts to put under the tree
    While Dad’s making sure there’s nothing wrong with the Wii.

    When all of a sudden there arose such a clatter
    Dad sprang to his feet to see what was the matter
    Away down the hallway he flew like a flash
    Looking for the culprit that caused such a crash.

    He stopped in his tracks to take in the sight
    Of angels declaring the real reason for this night
    It was Jesus they said – not Santa or Elves;
    You have made this celebration more about yourselves.

    The shame Dad felt made him cover his head
    Jesus was the real reason just like the angels said
    And though Dad possessed worldly wisdom and wealth
    He cried when he thought of it in spite of himself.

    Now Peace! Now Joy! Now Goodness & Love!
    On Mercy & Grace! Now look above!
    For God sent His Son to die for your sin
    The battle was waged – He fought and you win!

    A free gift was given on that Blessed night
    The gift of salvation – a gift you can’t buy.

    Dad fell to his knees – consumed with regret
    He hadn’t given Jesus His place of Honor yet
    He stood and he cried as the angels rose out of sight
    This Christmas would be different – starting tonight!

  8. Henry says:

    Since Br. Dave was sick Thursday night. So Jeff and I (Henry) discussed Ezekiel 21:2-6
    and Ezekiel 21:17. Ezekiel 21:2-6 seems to appear only in the New American Bible and not in other translations. Also Ezekiel 21:17 appears in a different place in the N.A.B. Jeff read the whole chapter of Ezekiel and we went to Biblehub.con and few other sites and couldn’t find anything. Jeff said he would ask a Priest since this difference only appears in a Catholic Bible. Also I will do further research on this difference. Br. Lee suggested we look up theses scriptures by means of Bible manuscripts.

  9. Lee Anthony says:

    Jeff,
    Interesting stuff indeed.
    One thing I know is since the chapter and verse is not original to the text of the bible many translations do not always have them numbered exactly the same. Also there are a couple of manuscripts that are used commonly by translators to do the translations, example the textus receptus (kjv) as they call it. The codex sinaiticus and codex vaticanus are ones I have heard of and I know are used most often, there are only a few differences and the few that exist are not enough to really affect the overall integrity of the text. Considering these are good to do as well as considering cultural idioms and other word phrases used back then that would not be understood by modern readers and translators. We may say something like “go the extra mile” and in the u.s. this is generally understood to be putting in extra effort or something similar, however something like this 2000 years ago from a different cultural perspective would be taken literally and would likely make no sense. The same happens when we see the many hebrew idioms and when they are translated in error we likely have verses that are hard to interpret when someone who understands the culture and times it was written would know exactly what is being said. This is some facts to consider, not sure if this would have much to do with the verses in question though.
    Lee

  10. jacqueline says:

    Jeff, I am going to look at this and maybe others may also.

  11. Jeff Woz says:

    Ezekiel 21
    The comparison of 2 bible translations

    New American Bible vs New International Version

    One Thursday night telephone conference call bible study Brother David asked me to read Ezekiel chapter 21 verse 27. I mainly use my New American Bible (Common Catholic) and after finding it, Brother David mentioned that it doesn’t come close to the verse he was asking for. After he went to his bible, he read his verse 27. It began “A ruin! A ruin! I will make it a ruin!” I was puzzled for it did not match up to what I read. Then I took a back seat and listened on. I was trying to find if my chapter 21 was within Brother David’s bible’s chapter 21. I then got the New International Version which I have and found verse 27 matched up to Brother David’s bible version. I went up and down in chapter 21 in my NAB version and ah then I found his verse 27 was in fact verse 32 in my bible translation. OK why so far off in the verses. I then got Brother David’s attention and advised I found that verse in my NAB version and read it. It reads “Twisted, twisted, twisted will I leave it;” Brother David said he liked my bible version interestingly. He like the “twisted, twisted” compared to “A ruin! A ruin! In his. It brought it to another view on the same point.

    Well as we went on with the bible study lesson for the night and some time afterwards, this is what I found why verse 27 in one bible is verse 32 in another. In my New American Bible Ezekiel Chapter 21 there is 37 verses while the NIV has 32 verses. Where it was off is that my NAB has 5 extra verses at the start of the chapter. Could those 5 extra verses be ‘Apocrypha’ in nature? Let me add those 5 extra verses here for you to determine and some other thoughts. Verse 1 corresponds the same in both bibles.

    In my New American Bible it adds verse 2 as, “Son of man, look southward, preach toward the south, and prophesy against the forest of the southern land. 3 Hear the word of the LORD! you shall say to the southern forest. Thus says the Lord GOD: See! I am kindling a fire in you that shall devour all trees, the green as well as the dry. The blazing flame shall not be quenched, but from south to north every face shall be scorched by it. 4 Everyone shall see that I, the LORD, have kindled it, and it shall not be quenched. 5 But I said, “Alas! Lord God, they say to me, ‘Is not this the one who is forever spinning parables?’ “ 6 Then the word of the LORD came to me:”

    So what do you think? Does these 5 extra verses be Apocrypha in nature?

    Then it continues on as NAB verse 7 is verse 2 in NIV and down the line.
    8 is 3, 9 is 4, 10 is 5, 11 is 6, 12 is 7, 13 is 8, 14 is 9, 15 is 10, 16 is 11.

    Then something interesting came up. The ending part of NAB verse 17 says “Therefore, slap your thigh,” while ending part of NIV verse 12 says “Therefore beat your breast.” Why does one verse says thigh while the other breast? Does it mean the same? What is the original interpretation reads? In the bottom footnotes in both Bibles reads; (NAB) Slap your thigh: a gesture signifying grief and dread., while (NIV) Beating the breast was a gesture of grief. Well we can say they mean the same ‘grief’ but what was written originally – thigh or breast?

    Then it continues down the line. 18 is 13, 19 is 14, 20 is 15, 21 is 16, 22 is 17, 23 is 18, 24 is 19, 25 is 20, 26 is 21, 27 is 22, 28 is 23, 29 is 24, 30 is 25, 31 is 26, (32 Twisted, is 27 A ruin!), 33 is 28, 34 is 29, 35 is 30, 36 is 31, and finally 37 is 32.

    Other wise all the other verses interprets the same in meaning as usual in bible translations as it goes. I wonder if my New American Bible has extra verses similar as we see here in Ezekiel chapter 21 as is in other non- apocrypha books? Well as time goes on and other bible studies are conducted in which something similar will occur then we need to keep in mind that extra verses may have some importance. It could in fact put a new twist in the context what is being written. That ‘new twist’ can be more accurately conversed.

  12. Jeff Woz says:

    I was wondering how my local J.W.s are doing? I used to see them out in public in groups especially running into them at fast food restaurants during a break. Now they seem to be extinct in a way. One once disfellowshipped now re-instated brother I seen at a McDonald’s doing a bible/book study with a man twice. He had quite a few J.W. publications with him. Wow now doing studies at McDonald’s.

    I ran into the following You Tube video titled “J.W.s have lost their confidence”. This gives me the idea why I do not seen them out.

    https://youtu.be/YFO881-Y6Bo

  13. jacqueline says:

    Jeff, I have posted your story exactly as written. You may find grammatical errors are fixed by the editing program.

    I didn’t read it either, so I will get a cup of coffee and read it with everyone else.

    I have known you for many years now so I know some of it.

    It is powerful and moving, thank you for sharing such detail with us.

  14. jacqueline says:

    Jeff Woz, I am going over now to listen to your links and comment later.

    I looked at the link Jeff Woz. I bet they have a lot of Christians in those camps. Man rules man to his own injury.
    Mental confinement is what high control religious governing bodies use to scare its members with a distorted view of what the Bible is saying about Jehovah’s clean up of the earth.
    Revelation is very revealing of why and how it will be done especially revelation 20: & 22: Jehovah will not force but will offer the opportunity for every soul to Trust Him and see that He has it covered for their good.

    So glad we are in a relatively free country and can get away from organized religion and go straight to God through Jesus. Take Care and thanks for that insightful video.

    Now with all the revealing on the internet, they can get free if they pray. Some can’t because they are afraid to lose their families as this dear brother feared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3udYTIz9Nk&t=33s

  15. Jeff Woz says:

    The attached video shows what is going on in China. “Thought Transformation” Classes for Muslims and 1M+ Chinese Muslims being held in camps. Also detention of pre-criminal behavior. They can look at you as say you have pre-criminal intentions and hold you for an unspecified time.

    https://youtu.be/ujk8spsLA_Q

    It reminds me of J.W. thought reform

  16. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I made the Link a permanent link in the Black section so we don’t lose it. All we have to do is just click on the link and it goes directly to the Septuagint.
    Thank you so much, your “Sword of Spirit” is indeed the correct name for your page. Now we can get to it quickly.
    Ted if you can come on the Free conference call for a little bit, I want to tell you about our status as a site.

  17. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Jacqueline and Jeff. Here is a link posting a translation of the Septuagint Bible. It includes the Apocryphal books originally part of the Septuagint used in the time of Christ. I find this very interesting. You can read online all of these books.
    https://www.biblestudytools.com/apocrypha/lxx/

  18. jacqueline says:

    Jeff, thank you for this perspective. None of us know about these books and you have actually studied them in your religion, wow.
    Now we know or can get a sense of what the desolation that causes abomination is.
    We were taught it was the Roman army when really this is a future event for the temple that will be built in Jerusalem.
    Also, all the Jews in Jesus’ days knew about Hannakah and the abomination that is set out in Maccabees.

    Someone told me those are apocryphal books, not a part of the canon!
    I replied the same God that preserved the 66 books also preserved these books in the Catholic Bible and the Ethiopian Bible. He knew the reason for Hanukkah might be lost and the discerning reader could search Maccabees to determine what will happen in Jerusalem.

    So when we see (I will probably be dead then, lol) the desecration of the Most Holy in the New Temple of our day, we know the time is on and it will move Quickly, not shortly as some Bible translates Revelation.

    So Jeff thanks for this in-depth discussion of the other Holy Writings that are out there that we were discouraged from looking at.

    Our Brains can use discernment as Jesus encouraged.

  19. Jeff Woz says:

    Jackie mentions me in sharing with her the books of Maccabees at times and I recently found the following of interest as to being in an Apocrypha Book that escaped me. Two Sundays ago Mass service our first reading was from 2nd Maccabees chapter 7 verses 1,2, 9-14. This is reference the Martyrdom of a Mother and Her Sons.

    First of all, let me say this about the two Books of Maccabees. In my New American Bible there is an introduction on all books in the Bible before the 1st chapter. The introductions are about a good page or two in length. Let me start out with both books of Maccabees. I will post just the 1st paragraph of each one to give you an idea.

    The 1st book of Maccabees: The name Maccabee, probably meaning “hammer,” is actually applied in the books of Maccabees to only one man, Judas, third son of the priest Mattathias and first leader of the revolt against the Seleucid kings who persecuted the Jews (1 Mc 2, 4. 66; 2 Mc 8, 5. 16; 10, 1. 16). Traditionally the name has come to be applied to the brothers of Judas, his supporters, and even to other Jewish heroes of the period, such as the seven brothers (2 Mc 7).

    Note: Judas brothers are Jonathan and Simon. Mattathias grandson is John Hyrcanus.

    The 2nd book of Maccabees: Although this book, like the preceding one, receives its title from its protagonist, Judas Maccabee (or Maccabeus), it is not a sequel to 1st Maccabees. The two differ in many respects. Whereas the first covers the period from the beginning of the reign of Antiochus IV (175 B.C.) to the accession of John Hyrcanus I (134 B.C.), this present book treats of the events in Jewish history from the time of the high priest Onias III and King Seleucus IV (c. 180 B.C.) to the defeat of Nicanor’s army (161 B.C.)

    There is many more information in both introductions.

    Now back to that Sunday’s Mass service: Our first reading was from 2nd book of Maccabees chapter 7 verses 1,2, 9-14. This is reference the Martyrdom of a Mother and Her Sons.

    The above verses were read and pointed out the faithful Mother and her seven Sons who were arrested and tortured with whips and scourges by the king, to force them to eat pork in violation of God’s law. Each brother was tortured one by one and died. The king later became enraged and treated the last (7th) brother even more, since he bitterly resented the boy’s contempt. Thus he died undefiled, putting his trust in the LORD. The mother was last to die, after her sons. (The chapter next concluded with) Enough has been said about the sacrificial meals and the excessive cruelties.

    Chapter 7 has 42 verses and only 8 were read last Sunday. Our young priest asked us to fully read the whole chapter which were graphic to see how we need to keep faith in our LORD and his laws and how important to follow them for it is our salvation. All the seven brothers knew this for the King of the world will raise us up to live again forever. It is for his laws that they were dying. “The King of the world will raise us up”; here and other verses, belief in the future resurrection of the body, at least for the just, is clearly stated.

    What a horrific way to die for each son with their mother watching to see and for her to die last. I felt our young priest was worried if all verses were read that it could have been scary to the younger children to listen to them but he did mention to the assembly for us to read the whole chapter in its entirely. What was read was enough to give us the example what the story was about.

    The Apocrypha Books

    Since neither Jesus nor the apostles make any reference to the (not inspired) apocryphal books, most Christians have regarded their authority as secondary to that of the 39 books of the Old Testament. Yet within these apocryphal books are passages of great piety and historical information. We should therefore approach the Apocrypha with a discerning mind and heart, and carefully discriminate between that which is in harmony with the essentials of the Christian faith and that which deviates from what is taught in the 66 books of the canon. We have the Lord’s promise that he will lead us into the truth, and we live by that promise in everything we read.

    Those apocrypha books are in my New American Bible.

    • Tobit
    • Judith
    • 1st Maccabees
    • 2nd Maccabees
    • Wisdom
    • Sirach also known as ‘Ecclesiasticus’ not to be confused with Ecclesiastes.
    • Baruch

    These seven books above are Canonical with the Catholic Church and we do have readings from time to time. This month of November we have 4 from Maccabees so they have some value to us.

    I also looked into the above 7 Apocrypha books introduction on other information that can be similar as why they may be Apocrypha or secondary.

    • Tobit 721 B.C. Unknown Author
    • Judith 2nd – 1st Century B.C. Unknown Author
    • 1st Maccabees 100 B.C. Probably an unknown Palestinian Jew Author
    • 2nd Maccabees 2nd Century B.C. Jason of Cyrene – Auth
    • Wisdom 100 B.C. Unknown Author
    • Sirach 200-175 B.C. The Book of Sirach derives its name from the author, Jesus, son of Eleazar, son of Sirach however the next paragraph states “The author, a sage who lived in Jerusalem”. The Book of Sirach has always been recognized by the Catholic Church as divinely inspired and canonical. The forward, though not inspired, is placed in the Bible because of its antiquity and importance. (Chapter 6:5-17 is a favorite section of mine titled ‘True Friendship’.)
    • Baruch 587 B.C. Baruch – Author The Book of Baruch (ref Fall of Jerusalem) purpose is to portray the spirit of repentance which prompted God to bring the Exile to an end.

    The above dates are in the general time frame. I understand that there was not any significant Prophets prior to Jesus’ birth in 4 or so centuries to tell what is to come for other Books had explained what is to explain of what is to come, that is Jesus a Savior, Redeemer and King for mankind to fix Adam and Eve’s error. The seven books above either where written in those centuries prior to Jesus’ birth and/or have no significant author or unknown author. The Catholic Church though thought these books where just as valued as all others and should be listed as canonical and lessons can still be learned from them. See 2nd Maccabees chapter 7. We all should have the mindset to be like those 7 brothers who denied the King’s orders and place their faith in the “belief in the future resurrection of the body”. Time is at hand now that we Christians will be persecuted for our faith even like those 7 faithful brothers of being tortured even before other close family members. Stay the course and be firm.

    Also when doing research, I found that Chapters 11 thru 16 of Esther are missing from my New American Bible. These chapters would be considered Apocrypha (secondary) in nature.

    In the New American Bible ‘The Songs of Songs’ is “The Song of Solomon’ in the New World Translation Bible.

    According to the You Tube video ‘The Truth About the Apocrypha and the Lost Books of the Bible’ that I shared in an earlier post list the following books.

    • 1st and 2nd Esdras
    • Tobit
    • Judith
    • The Rest of Esther (Chapters 11-16 not in the NAB)
    • The Wisdom of Solomon (Wisdom in the NAB)
    • Ecclesiasticus (Sirach in the NAB)
    • The Song of the Three Children
    • The History of Susana (added; Daniel Chapter 13 in NAB)
    • Bel and the Dragon (added; Daniel Chapter 14 in NAB)
    • The Prayer of Manasses (ref 2 Chronicles 33:12-13)
    • 1st and 2nd Maccabees

    I never heard of Esdras, The Song of the Three Children, and The Prayer of Manasses.

    What about the Book of Enoch, other Gospels and Lost Books? How significant can they be to us?

  20. jacqueline says:

    Jeff I like his simple, clear and concise explanations. I also view it as a fusion like the Israelites saw nations with kings and seeable gods.
    They wanted to be like them.
    Witnesses give their kids a party during Halloween so their kids don’t feel left out, so what he says is plausible.
    There is nothing wrong with getting together with family and giving gifts. Just don’t say it is for Christ birthday.
    Many, many of our words were created as he said for a god. Sunday the sun God, Thursday God Thor. So it doesn’t matter what a thing stood for long ago in most cases.
    The wedding ring would have to go and all we would do is as TedR said straining out the gnat and swallowing a camel. Thank you

  21. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Jeff
    I watched that video a couple weeks ago. Great viewpoint. The World video Bible School offers free online classes that take you through Genesis thru Revelation along with many videos. I have started taking that course. While I don’t agree with everything presented it does provide interesting insight into the Bible.

  22. Jeff Woz says:

    I enjoyed that video ref the Truth about Christmas. It helps me in how to view Christmas as an ex J.W. and back to my original faith. What is OK and not OK about the worldly Christmas season. Also the big one about Jesus’s actual approximate birthday that is not December 25th as we know it as the world believes to be. Another mentioning of the Bible states we are to Remember Jesus’ death while celebrating his birthday is not mentioned. The conductor invites you to have your Bible on hand to view scripture quoted.

    He talks about Misconceptions of Christmas.
    1) Birth of Christ
    2) Meaning of Christmas
    3) Celebration of Christmas

    https://youtu.be/F0cBWgXP4EE

    I again recommend viewing it.

  23. jacqueline says:

    Jeff, wow, thank you for this perspective. It is so nice to have brothers from different religious backgrounds on here, it adds that nice flavor.

    I will take a look at this later. Out of town for special family time. God has been good and softened hearts toward me and I love and appreciate Him for doing this for me.
    Thanks so much for your loyalty and faithfulness.

    We all know you will be on all the call – INS to read and you will be there no matter what.

    Lets see what others have to say about Christmas, this should be interesting now without any particular religious s creed to favor the opinions. Thank you

  24. Jeff Woz says:

    Since you enjoyed the last You Tube video which is on the same channel ‘World Video Bible School’. You may find this one interesting about ‘The Truth About… Christmas’ since Christmas is on the rise.

    https://youtu.be/F0cBWgXP4EE

  25. jacqueline says:

    Jeff Woz, thank you so much for your testimony and the excellent resources in all of your postings.
    I think the poem sums up our predicament. Man has lost their ethics and mind in moral issues. God doesn’t seem to figure in on law making now. Thanks for posting. I will put your story in place of it on your new page.
    The videos posted on YouTube. It is an excellent platform for getting the story or word out to billions on Spiritual abuse.
    I would suggest putting the http://www.askjacqueline.life/conference call in a comment on one of her videos. Then she or others seeing it can come over and comment on whether she would like to be a guest.
    The friends are helping each other a lot now because websites like this one, Barbara Anderson, SilentLambs, Sixscreensofthewatchtower etc helped in the last decades to give them courage. By us not being afraid of the Governing body and standing up to the shunning, these dear ones now can use The various platforms and get support. JWfacts gave everybody courage thru revealing the watchtower for what it really is. JW Struggle and many of the new platform people actually touched bases by GOD’S permission our former site, fojw.
    We actually have talked to these people for hours on end on the phone.
    So, there is lots of help now and hopefully we can go further to introduce the thoughts of going directly to the Bible, God and Jesus. The hurt and anger will subside as they exhale and see there is no need to leave or blame God for the foolishness and teachings of Russell, Rutherford and the Governing body.
    Hopefully we can help them in that way also.
    So feel free to put the link to your page and invite persons to come over, read who we are as written by Greg.
    We know thousands do read what we write from the analysis sent to me every Monday morning.

  26. Jeff Woz says:

    Correction reference last posting.

    ‘http://youtu.be?JduBWQ5iwX8’ should be ‘http://youtu.be/JduBWQ5iwX8’.
    ( ‘My thoughts – Shunning, Depression, and Murder-Suicide of Ex J.W. Family’)

    Sorry I saw this after Googling the above.

  27. Jeff Woz says:

    Some years ago when I was separated from the J.W.s (see my upcoming story), I came upon a 5 minute video in part of a longer one of Professor James Penton on You Tube which helped me get started to heal. Over time I came upon others. In the last several years I admire a young woman’s (30s/40s) courage in posting her journey exiting the J.W.s. I want to share this with others for them to view her channel on You Tube. There are 22 videos and like to see more. I also like her to join our telephone conference testimony nights and share her story with us and we can relate the same to her. This may be a great source for her to heal herself if she still needs another channel to do so. Since she has never revealed her true name and may want to protect her privacy, how can we contact her discreetly with all decency and compassion to invite her onto our telephone conference call nights? So what do you think?

    Her You Tube Channel is under ‘Living Truth’ however there is other channels of the same name. If you have trouble in finding it, you can Google ‘Uploads from Living Truth – YT’.

    She has one commenting on Leah Remini’s A&E show of Jehovah’s Witnesses under ‘http://youtu.be/iphEh716Bec’.

    Another interesting one is her ‘My thoughts – Shunning, Depression, and Murder-Suicide of Ex J.W. Family’ under ‘http://youtu.be?JduBWQ5iwX8’.

  28. Jeff Woz says:

    This is my first comment post and want to reprise and use \’The American School Prayer\’. The first one posted was cut short. Hope to comment more.

    The New American School Prayer
    Translation by a senior boy
    told by Father Bill Casey, CPM

    Now I sit me down in School
    Where praying is against the rule

    For this great Nation under GOD
    Finds mention of Him very odd

    If Scripture now the class recites
    It violates the Bill of Rights

    And anytime my head I bow
    Becomes a Federal matter now

    The law is clear, the law is precise
    Prayer allowed is a crime of vice

    For praying in a public hall
    Might offend someone with no Faith at all

    In silence we must meditate
    The name of GOD banned by the State

    We can cuss and swear and dress like freaks
    And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks

    They outlawed prayer but first the Bible
    Quote the Good Book and you would be liable

    To drugs they tell us just say no
    But sex be safe and then you go

    You elect a pregnant senior queen
    But chastity is a distant dream

    They dare not teach us right from wrong
    They say those judgments don’t belong

    We get our condoms, birth controls
    Study witchcraft, new age and totem poles

    While the Ten Commandments are not allowed
    No word of GOD can reach this crowd

    It’s scary here I must confess
    Where chaos reigns this school a mess

    So, Lord, this silent plea I make
    Should I be shot, My soul please take!

    Amen

    The New American School Prayer
    Another translation by at 15 yr old girl
    found on You Tube

    Now I sit me down in School
    Where praying is against the rule

    For this great Nation under GOD
    Finds mention of Him very odd

    If Scripture now the class recites
    It violates the Bill of Rights

    And anytime my head I bow
    Becomes a Federal matter now

    Our hair can be purple, orange or green
    That’s no offense, it’s a freedom scene

    The law is specific, the law is precise
    Prayer spoken aloud are a serious vice

    For praying in a public hall
    Might offend someone with no Faith at all

    In silence alone we must meditate
    GOD’s name is prohibited by the State

    We’re allowed to cuss and dress like freaks
    And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks

    They’ve outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible
    To quote the Good Book makes me liable

    We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen
    And the ‘unwed daddy’, our Senior King

    It’s ‘inappropriate’ to teach right from wrong
    We’re taught that such ‘judgments’ do not belong

    We can get our condoms and birth controls
    Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles

    But the Ten Commandments are not allowed
    No word of GOD must reach this crowd

    It’s scary here I must confess
    When chaos reign, the school’s a mess

    So, Lord, this silent plea I make
    Should I be shot, My soul please take!

    Amen

  29. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, how amazing I have been looking up info on the Kurds this week and last week. One thing I see is Babylon didn’t fall in 539 as we were told. It was taken over without a battle and it took three days before some residents knew about the Medes entering the city. Babylon continued as the second capital to the Medo-Persians empire. Cyrus was part Mede and Part Persian. So I wondered if it is destined to try and rise again? Or fire from heaven [missles?? from Pres. Bush??] But it was not The Great so hmmmm. His word has to be fulfilled on this nation as well as if it represents something else. Just my 2cents worth. Suddenly destroyed and never be inhabited, Saddam was building it up again.Isa. 13 chap. and 14: Jeremiah 50 and 51, Rev. 17 and 18 should be read in one sitting and it is amazing what it conveys.

    I will watch for intensely what you guys find.

    PS: I wanted to add, I do believe Babylon the Great is connected to Rome, thus the Vatican and all other huge organized religious systems that follow the money and not the Bible. Watchtower is reported to be worth 30 Billion dollars, itself.

  30. Lee Anthony says:

    Video is definately good and the information is verifiable in all the best ways. I personally have viewed some of the books mentiond and have reached same conclusion

  31. Lee Anthony says:

    Henry,
    That would be good I think cause what I have read so far seems to have merit. Will see how things continue on

  32. Henry says:

    LEE YOU WON”T BELIEVE THIS but I had it in my notes Saturday about the Kurds who was formally the Medes but we ran out of time before I could mention it. I’m going to read the scriptures you cited and perhaps we can talk about it next Saturday.

  33. Lee Anthony says:

    Alot of talk about some fighting in middle east, I read about the Kurdish people as possibly being the medes of the bible. They are a people with no homeland, A Large group. Here is abit of one article…

    Kurds in Prophecy
    The ultimate destruction of Babylon is prophesied in Isaiah 13-14, Jeremiah 50-51 and Revelation 17-18, and Isaiah 13:17 alludes to “the Medes” as participants in Babylon’s destruction! The modern Kurdish people were known in ancient, Biblical times as the Medes, and it\’s a miracle that they have survived as a people in the same ancient location for over 2,000 years! Only one explanation can be given – God has plans for the Medes.

  34. jacqueline says:

    Jeff, I found this video very informative. It gives us a different perspective that I hadn’t considered.

  35. Jeff Woz says:

    You may find this video interesting. I did and wish I had more time to reflect and understand it as well. What do you think after viewing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjH7CfhSX8&feature=youtu.be

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