Ask Jacqueline

"It is not Happy people that are Thankful, but Thankful people who are happy"

So where ever there are people there is an opportunity to be kind. I decided to make a list of how I can be thankful and show it to others.

First, ALL THANKS goes to GOD and JESUS for Life and Love.

Thanks for leading me to the Bibles' 66 books instead of the many endless writings of men. Death will take me before I finish these, but thanks.

Here are some of my personal heartfelt thankfulness.

  1. I am thankful I had my son and granddaughter visiting with me during the holidays.
  2. I am thankful that I can be a part of life and not afraid of it.
  3. I will complain less and breathe more.
  4. I will Let Be, Let Go, Let God.
  5. I will make the choice to let go of negative thoughts and fill my mind with positively thoughts.
  6. I will realize humans are a walking breathing wonder created by God and Jesus.
  7. I will give thanks for another day of giving, loving and life and hate no one.
  8. I will consider how fortunate I am and give myself the gift of being joyfully me.
  9. I will change myself and communicate with love, not apprehension.
  10. I will pray every day and often for myself and those I love and not so fond of. My grandchildren will take priority in my life now that my kids are grown.  

 

82 Responses to Ask Jacqueline

  1. Chris Johns says:

    Nubby tope,
    It may interest you that most of those Neanderthals are not what we think they are. They are not prehumans. According to science our brows never stop growing. So those who lived closer to Adam lived longer and that’s why their brows look different. The evolutionist wants you to think that they are some form of a pre-human ancestor. They aren’t. Also, on YouTube there’s a video by a man who used to work on their bones and said the reason why they look they way they did was because they had rickets disease and arthritis. He even says some of them are Hoaxed. The evolutionists want us to believe that we are evolved. Also God did not bring us about through evolution. It’s as he created Adam and Eve. YouTube the video “100 reasons why evolution is so stupid by Kent Hovind” God did not bring us about through evolution. He created Adam and eve. YouTube the video “100 reasons why evolution is so stupid by Kent Hovind”. He’s funny and knows his science. Don’t fall into that trap of Theistic Evolution.

    As for Mormons they are not from the miller movement. The Mormons believe that we preexisted before earth that god and one of his wives birthed spirit children that’s us. They believe that we come to the earth to be tested. They also believe Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection. I’m very well verse in Mormonism. They have this book called the book of Abraham that’s contained with in their holy Scriptures that teaches that we were with God before we came to the earth. He got this off of a scroll that was found inside of a mummy that he said was the writing of Abraham. However right after he translated it Egyptian was able to be deciphered and Egyptologists say that the papyrus that he translated says nothing about anything about Abraham and that it was a funeral papyrus of pagan Egypt. But the Mormon still excepted today and you can find in their holy Scriptures.
    Also, I’ve never met a Bible Student the only believe that we will make up the 144,000.

  2. jacqueline says:

    Hi Nubby Tope, Henry was just asking about you the other day! I am doing okay now. All the post-stroke stuff is in full swing since I am at the 6 month anniversary.
    Let’s break your question down with scripture, some other brothers say they are composing answers also.

    Scripturally we do see other hybrids, so there should be fossil records and men calls it what they want but this is what God says.
    Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
    2Sa 21:16 And Ishbi-benob, one of the descendants of the giants, whose spear weighed three hundred shekels[fn] of bronze, and who was armed with a new sword, thought to kill David.
    2Sa 21:18 After this there was again war with the Philistines at Gob. Then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was one of the descendants of the giants.
    2Sa 21:20 And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number, and he also was descended from the giants.
    2Sa 21:22 These four were descended from the giants in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.
    1Ch 20:4 And after this there arose war with the Philistines at Gezer. Then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Sippai, who was one of the descendants of the giants, and the Philistines were subdued.
    1Ch 20:6 And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number, and he also was descended from the giants.
    1Ch 20:8 These were descended from the giants in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.

    Genesis 3:15 first indicated a redeemer.

    And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[fn] and hers; he will crush[fn] your head, and you will strike his heel.”
    Gen 3:21 shows blood had to be spilled to cover them not fig leaves or vegetables as Cain did.
    “The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.”
    1Tim 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

    I understand 1 Timothy to be talking about the incident in the Garden of Eden with Adam and his progeny.
    The Nephilim are the progeny of the Fallen angels. The Bible says nothing about redeeming their children as I know of. Gen. 6:4

    Part 2:
    The Mormons and other religions from the Millerite movement all say they have the top spot in Heaven. But they would have to provide scriptures for such a belief that you have to be consecrated in their religion or baptized in it to be in a top tier of heaven.

    I have come to believe that Jesus will rule from the earth on the throne of David and the Church will with him. I also think that the 144,000 and the Church are different.
    Rev 5:10 “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”

    Mat 19:28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    The Old Testament certainly prophesied that Jesus would rule on David’s throne. There is no question about that (Psalms 132:11, Psalm 89:3-4, 2Samuel 7:12-13, Isaiah 9:6-7, cf Luke 1:31-32).

    I have given my two cents worth, so hopefully, other brothers will weigh in here.
    So nice to hear from you again. And Yes, I should have taken a break from Russell’s teachings also but there was some benefit from meeting new marvelous people.
    Perhaps that is the way God wanted me to do it and go back to the beginning of the religion.

    Take care of yourself Nubby.
    BTW: Nubby take a look at the https://www.blueletterbible.org/ It is like E-Sword.

  3. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    Its been a while since I commented on here but I’ve been adjusting to life after JW. Not been easy but so much better now. How are you?

    I have 2 questions to ask: In the Resurrection, will it be on Earth as we were told or Heaven? I spoke with some Mormons today and told them emphatically that I do not want anything to do with organised religion anymore. They mentioned that there is a third heaven and I know the Bible said Paradise id 3rd Heaven. The Mormons version of this is a bottom level for baddies, 2nd level for goodies who aren’t baptized Mormons and top level for baptized Mormons. Typical!! Each religion gets the best deal! Yeah, right! I was told that my dead parents and brother are on 2nd level as they were good people but not baptized (into LDS) Mormon interpretation to one side, would it be logical to assume my family are on 2nd level if this “third heaven” idea is literal?

    Second question: Neanderthals were real; are they covered by Jesus’ Ransom and will they be resurrected?

    I hope you’re well and I’m curious to know your thoughts.

  4. Rene says:

    Hello Jacqueline,

    Thank you so much for your post as it was very timely for me. For some reason I have been thinking about things a lot more deeply lately, some good things and some bad as I reflect on my life. I think about the time that I spent as a Witness and where the Organization has been and where many fear it is going. One of the things that I am confident in is that we are all in God’s love and when we face difficulty it is not beyond his ability to deliver us. Those of us that have become displaced, disheartened and disillusioned are not forgotten by God. Satan will use the fear and anxiety that these situations cause in order to cause us to fear what the world fears, but this is not what we should fear as God’s children.

    Many of us on this site never thought that we would ever be spiritually homeless, and when I first stopped associating with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I felt that feeling of fear and trepidation, but it was replaced with warm reassurance from God and Jesus Christ. The hairs on our heads are numbered and where we go, God is always aware. Our battles are never fought alone, and when the storms rage in our lives it is by Gods power that we are sustained and delivered. I put too much emphasis sometimes on my own power, I keep things stable, I have to figure a way out, I have to stay strong. When I really deconstruct this way of thinking, I am missing the bigger picture that it is a joint effort and that my power is not very much on its own. David when confronting Goliath had past experiences with Jehovah in that he had stood up against dangerous predators and God guided his blows and directed David’s strength in a way that David knew he did not accomplish single handedly.

    We must have that kind of confidence that God has and will continue to fight for us, and we have to have humility in recognizing that we have not made it this far because of our own strength.

    I recently in school learned a technique called mindfulness which really isn’t complicated at all. It is the process of focusing on one thing and being aware of it, and allowing ourselves to appreciate the moment we are in. We so rarely see life and each day as a miracle, life has become so ordinary we lose our ability to recognize it as extraordinary. A life filled with God’s abundant love is the only and most important lottery I have ever won, even now as I am typing I am thankful that I had parents who loved God and taught me the value and wonder of having a relationship with God. I have had the honor of meeting all of you on this site and learning from your wisdom and coming to truly love all of you. I have also had the privilege of being able to learn so much about how wonderfully we are made in College and to give glory to God in all things by sharing what I learn when I can.

    We are entering truly dark and troubled times. We don’t yet know if this is just the turbulence of our generation, or if we have as many of us strongly suspect is the time of the end. Things are becoming unusually difficult and even people that I know that have always been stable are experiencing unprecedented instability both financial and spiritual.

    The storms of this system will continue and are reaching a fever pitch, the way that we are used to living and thinking and behaving may change in our lives by necessity. Our old comforts and predictable stability in life may change and we must be willing to adjust to these changes without fearing that God is not answering our prayers in the wake of things changing in ways that we may not like. I would encourage everyone who has not had problems lately to prepare in favorable and unfavorable seasons for difficulty. Do not think of it as unique and do not be discouraged to the point of breakdown when you find yourself in difficulty.

    At some point if we are not already there, Jesus will be granted the right to open the scrolls and Peace will be taken away from the Earth. Pray Pray and then Pray some more that we receive God’s Peace, the peace that Jesus promised us when we rely completely on the father, his promises, his faithfulness and abundant mercy and kindness and embrace our own limitations in this sinful state. As we continue to learn what it means to love (as some of us may not have been loved) and to practice a better kind of Christianity, let it be free of hypocrisy, absent of love of dishonest gain, fostering cooperation instead of competition, no one lording over another, and embracing a true desire to see God’s name brought to glory we will truly come to be lights to the world and to each other. Most importantly we become what we were all meant to be when we were formed in our mother’s, “a unique expression of the Character of Almighty God”.

  5. jacqueline says:

    Ted and Rene, the witnesses in Russia had to have a foot dropped on their necks to make them stop the shunning practice. Russian ex Jehovah Witnesses reported directly to the authorities of the destruction of their families with shunning. Satan knows he can take attention away from God’s true Timepiece, The Real Nation of Israel. So because the Russia brothers were extra harsh on their shunning so much so that the government had to step in.
    This plays into Satan’s hand of the witnesses being the Jews to keep focus off what is happening in the Middle East today.
    The brave internet brothers turning the screws and others going into the Bible have helped the free world of ex witnesses survive a little better.
    Even some elders that say nothing but just left let’s me know I did the right thing.
    It would be nice if the tyranny of the Watchtower Society and its governing body was just a matter of forgiving them. But it isn’t, if each one don’t expose their tyranny they will get worse. They don’t present as a fellow Christian worshipers.
    They come after people to destroy the child that has been raped, deal harshly with anyone helping, even to the point of trumping up charges to disfellowship.
    They are more like the Sanhedrin in that they called for the death of Christ, hunted down and killed Christians. We are leaving their system too and following Christ and like the Sanhedrin they attempt to destroy us. So we expose them to get relief.

    I will listen still to help, let them tell their story in detail, cry with them pray with them until they stand up straight and carry on in worship to Jehovah God only and His Son Christ.

    We are blessed to have 3-5 parts to this site.
    The Scriptural segments, the Testimony meeting, the Articles, and this powerful blog so friends can talk and,tell their journey and get a cool cup of water on the way with food.
    They might need a lot of care and are welcome to stay. Some w I’ll start their own small group or house Church while others may act like horses and take off running.

    One important segment is they can speak Audibly with me or Rene in private sessions.
    Some of the men have a particularly hard time speaking of their abuse by men within the religion.
    Above all tho, we want to glorify God by helping them as God is helping and supporting us.

    PS: They mean not bring reproach on their organization as no one brings reproach on the Almighty God, He is above reproach.
    I have never heard a person who saw a witness doing bad equate it with GOD having anything to do with it, NEVER. Most don’t think of witnesses as Christians because of making Christ just an angel ( powerful Micheal, one of the arch angels) and putting up a man or men in place of him to get to God.
    They will say a witness supposed to be so holy but that is as far as they go.

  6. Rene says:

    Br. Ted,

    Sadly I am no stranger to the gross liberties some with authority inside of the Jehovah\’s Witnesses can take with other members. My family and I have been stalked by other members, and have had personal information given to individuals without our permission solely for the purpose of harm. Phone numbers and addresses were freely handed out to one of our stalkers despite us asking to keep our information confidential. There are rarely if ever any repercussion for this behavior and no acknowledgment of the unnecessary harm that it causes. I have seen a lot of bad done in the name of protecting the reputation of God as if he needed any human to do that and to elevate sin in the process as some means to an end is even more egregious.

    We will all be accountable for what we do in the end, and no amount of self deluding about that fact will shield us from judgment. I wish more individuals were motivated by spiritual maturity and did not cause harm to others over what amounts to ideological differences. There are some things that are immutable fact scripturally and there are somethings that have not been expressly stated in a way that all of us can easily reach a consensus on. We know that after the death of the last apostle that an apostasy would and did in fact come. What we don\’t know is which lie has been repeated so long it can\’t be distinguished from the truth. What is even more troubling is the fact that some people may be lashing out and harming others over a doctrinal issue that is not even sufficiently supported by scripture. I really do wish that people who did these things actually stopped to think about how this makes Christians look in general, and why some may find it so easy to abandon their faith in the time of the end. Attacking each other like this brings reproach on God and none of us should imagine he will congratulate us for doing so. I am glad though that this happened now and that you were able to prepare for it next time.

  7. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Sr Rene and Jacqueline
    While I don’t want to point fingers since we don’t know for sure who hacked the site, I know for a fact that the Society does hack sites and individuals accounts. A brother that I know had his phone hacked by certain elders in my congregation trying to “investigate ” him. This was verified by the FBI in Columbus. So while I cannot put a blame on anyone, quite frankly I don’t put it past them. It is part of their Theocratic warfare!

  8. jacqueline says:

    Rene, I so agree. If fact we a are all of one body. I have heard it say they are going back to Christendom, when many leave the doctrines from our youth.
    I admit there is a difference but not enough for us all not to be able to listen to each other.
    When as a witness, I went from door to door No one ever cared that our religions name was different. We knocked on all doors. Now I realize other Christians have valuable information and they too have Holy Spirit.
    I have come to realize you don’t have to be in Bethel or a pulpit minister to receive help, understanding and truth. You can be one person or a small group. Jesus made it possible to get to God thru him on a one on one basis.
    That is what I sincerely hope visitors see on this site so they can get on their knees, thank him for freedom and not filter their new freedom through their long held teachings.
    If what they conclude from personal study matches up to their former beliefs then we need to give glory to Jehovah that we had proper understanding.
    The main thing is for each one to get strong then branch out on their own. We are just a little ever changing group. Many on the internet came across us over the last 9 years on the Fojw site. Now we see them with their small forums searching the scriptures.
    We are here as a spring board to help them until they can stand on their own two feet.
    As much as I might want to be diplomatic I must be truthful, it is a long hard road leaving an authoritarian religion where freedom was restricted.
    We do welcome and encourage persons to share their pain and journey until they feel strong, then FLY LIKE AN EAGLE!

  9. Rene says:

    Jacqueline,

    I am sorry about the site being hacked. I wish that I could say that this was probably an isolated incident, but our world is changing and so are the people in it. People are being influenced today by thoughts and inclinations that rob them of their ability to think and behave rationally. It is times like these though that we need to be especially aware of these influences and maintain our own self control. I appreciated the fact that you did not label the society or Jehovah’s Witnesses as the culprit, as we are not sure who did it. Satan enjoys pitting brothers and sisters against one another and one of his most potent tools is insinuation and misinformation. When people stop by this site and see what others have to say, it can feel like the core of their being is being attacked. We all can remember a time when we were hurt to our heart when someone didn’t share our opinions about our faith or even attacked it. While we may have felt offended and hurt, most of us here did not opt to retaliate as the hacker evidently decided to do. This reminds me of the situation where Jesus was taken before the high priest and during his interrogation he answered a question by asking that his accusers question the people and seek out the truth of the matter. The response was that the temple guard slapped Jesus. John 18:23 (CEB) Jesus replied, “If I speak wrongly, testify about what was wrong. But if I speak correctly, why do you strike me?” The guard might have thought that he had grounds to slap Jesus because he was perceived as being disrespectful to the High Priest which was against Jewish Law (Acts 23:5) Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.'”What was in reality occurring between Jesus and the temple guard was an example of a righteous excuse to display unrighteous anger. As a Witness I had not realized how much of the culture of Jehovah’s Witnesses had shaped my thinking and my actions. I had to realize later that I had learned to be self righteous and had to be more careful about how upset I get about things and if the anger is justified or if I am being self righteous. It is a hard habit to kick, but it is necessary if you are ever to perceive things in any way close to the way our creator does.
    Our online community has been a blessing to me and to many others. I hope that people continue to maintain proper decorum on the site and work out differences the way in which we have all agreed to do. A we lean more on the internet and social media, we have to keep in mind that this is all an untested experiment. We don’t have any type of historical reference to guide us in using this new technology. As a result, we are all learning together and taking the good with the bad.

    The anonymity that the internet provides gives considerable cover for people who are saying and doing things that they would not say or do if the person(s) they were attacking were standing right in front of them. It reminds me of how Satan spoke through a snake so that his part in the plot was concealed. We all really need to be cautious of how we use our freedom of speech especially during these times. Thank you Jacqueline for all of your hard work and in helping others to reach for higher levels of Christian maturity. If we are indeed in the end times, then we will not be arguing about doctrine differences in Christianity we will be strictly divided by those who believe and those who do not. I hope that everyone will look at the bigger picture of what is truly important, the vindication of Jesus as the Messiah and the glorification of the one true God. While we are busy destroying each other to defend the reputations of men, who is defending the reputation of God and our Redeemer? I pray that God reaffirms the truth, and that he continues to give us his spirit of Grace so that we can live in truth and encourage one another to do the same.

  10. jacqueline says:

    True. Now I know more about running a website as a result of this attack. I know to back it up daily.

  11. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    I feel the WT visits the sites so they can get ideas of what to write about. For example we believe and many JWs are starting to believe that the great crowd will be a heavenly class. Now they have an article about where they are coming out. Also, they they had a child abuse Watchtower article recently. They want to make it seem like they have answers to all of our arguments already. Or it could be Bethelites looking for answers. Many are still “Physically in mentally out.” (PIMO)

  12. jacqueline says:

    No, we did see that the watchtower of the USA visited our site this month and another language watchtower Bible and tract society visited this week from a foreign country.
    I am not blaming it on them, it might have just been a hacker.
    I don’t know why the watchtower would visit our site because we deal with those that have chosen to come out on their own but not enticed.
    We keep noticing a few things here and there and I fix it as people tell me. Free conference call reverted to BBB for instance, but my system corrected it while Henry was actually looking at it and on the phone with me.
    I think we are good now, however. Thanks for asking.

  13. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    Do you know who did it?

  14. jacqueline says:

    Well, today was special! The site was being hacked and disappearing right before my eyes. Themes were changing and I couldn’t get in the backend at all!

    After hours I finally got everything back up, floating links should be working now and the videos at the end of each page should be working. I lost a few but that’s okay.
    I need some good sleep now.

  15. Chris Johns says:

    Anyways I think I’m pretty much done here. Hope y’all find what you’re looking for.

  16. Chris Johns says:

    Traveler,
    The out resurrection is only mentioned one time in scripts and you’ve built and entire doctrine on it. It’s out of all of the body of Christians those who attain the mark of the prize of the high calling will be called out of the body of Christ. The entire bride is not the entire body but a piece. This is seen in The Rib being taken from Adam. She was a piece of him. Not all of him. I have an article on the exanatastis we studied a while back. These are non-Bible Students. Also it spurious because it’s not on the majority of the oldest Manuscripts. Not because we don’t understand your understanding of the out resurrection

  17. Travelers says:

    Please look it up. The reason you are having any disagreement about 1st resurrection is its not first in the origional expression its “out” resurrection. That is the hope of “THE” resurrection. Jesus. Returned to existence from the grave. The only time its called first is when Jesus is discribe as the first resurrection, the first fruit of the out resurrection. It’s good to see you working with this concept. Your very nature and hope depend on working this one out. Doing so it is to find you self.

  18. Lee Anthony says:

    I agree it does flow better, but when I read it, I already know it makes no sense looking at it the other way. I ignore the order cause I realize its not talking about those in the 1st resurrection but those in the 2nd.

  19. Christopher Johnss says:

    Lee,
    This is just reading Comprehension. If you take it out it flows better. If you leave it there you have to ask the question how can those of the first resurrection not come to life until the end of the thousand years yet it also says in verse six that those who are of the first resurrection reign with him during the thousand years. It makes no sense. This is not some teaching I got from some leader or some book or some volume or some reprint or some elder this is basic reading comprehension. That’s the reason why some translations put ( ) around it because it doesn’t make sense.

  20. Lee Anthony says:

    The rest of the dead….. They are not of the 1st resurrection. That is quite clear. It does not state otherwise. Take it out, leave it in. Nothing changes.
    1st resurrection is during 1000 years, technically at the jump, then rest of dead not til after, as it says further down in verse, after satan is tossed into the Lake 👺…

  21. Chris Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    I don’t know how else to explain Rev 20:5. I think you have some new idea and nothing can over turn it. Trust me I know the excitement of something new. Then when something challenges it the brain shuts down and doesn’t want to accept if

    Last time. How can those of the first resurrection reign DURING the 1,000 years of they do my come to life until the END of the 1,000 years?! BOTH ARE ARE CALLED THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Which is it. Don’t take my word for it. Read it yourself. It says those of the first resurrection rain during the thousand years but also says those of the first resurrection don’t come to life until after the thousand years. Which is it?

  22. Chris Johns says:

    Jacqueline

    Lost of spurious passages by a non bible student scholar.

    http://www.bibletoday.com/htstb/spurious_text.htm

  23. Chris Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    Again. Rev 20:5 is spurious. This is common sense and not something I read in a book
    How can those who come to life AFTER the 1,000 years be the “first resurrection” yet it says those who reign with him “DURING” the 1,000 years is the first resurrection?

    That’s like chaperoning a party for two hours yet not showing up until after the party. Which is it?

    Rev 20:5,6
    “The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. >>This is the first resurrection<>first resurrection<<: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years”

    Again. How can they reign during the 1,000 years yet not come to life until the end of the 1,000 years

    Also it’s spurious because it appears in NONE ZERO of the oldest manuscripts.

  24. jacqueline says:

    It has listed scriptures in topics also but from a short look it seems now we can understand that some of these scriptures are not spurious like Rev. 20: 5 which is very clear now that it is not spurious. In fact the witness Bible has taken the brackets from around the verse and made it part of the text. Now that we see what the Bible really says about the thousand year reign that not “All” are in the category for resurrection at the time of the 1000 years reign. That is not paradise and there is another category of the dead resurrected after the thousand years and the little season of Satan’s release. Rev.20:5 was right

    Wow,how things are becoming unveiled.
    I think our blessings are coming in this regard because we stopped indoctrination and regurgitating old views. It was a hinderence to letting the Holy Spirit come in.
    I will go over the other scriptures you posted tomorrow.
    I have been having trouble sleeping so hitting the sack early. Doctor calls it post stroke fatigue. It is sort of a blessing because I don’t travel and can devote more time to a serious study of the Bible. No more studying books. Hooray. Give my love to Pharnisha and children.

  25. Lee Anthony says:

    Ive seen those scriptures listed as such. I have not read up on it yet, Im not familiar with that booklet either

  26. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I redo Dollhouses and have a lot of stored supplies in crates. Although I threw away all of my Bible Students material I found this booklet that I missed called ” Difficult text References and Spurious passage list for Bereans.” Compiled 1907 revised 2007.
    It is listing some of the scriptures we discussed on Thursday as “Spurious”. It seems scriptures that are seemingly against doctrines are labeled this way. I need to go over this carefully. How this book just popped out is beyond me. Romans 8:29, 9:16 and Rev 17:8. I smell a rat as I review this book but need to go further. I will discuss what I find on Thursday.
    Do you have this booklet? It is a Dawn Publication. Maybe it is online.
    Look at page 25, the revelation scriptures that are said to be miscellaneous misunderstandings. I need to check other sources because it seems these scriptures can be understood now. Just a little note of what fell out of my doll supplies.

  27. jacqueline says:

    Christopher thank you so much for your comment. Take care

  28. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    He was not the founder of the JWs. Their beliefs are not the same. If they were then I wouldn’t have left. If I take over Disney world and turn it into a strip joint and change the name to say “Rocking Strips”while keeping some of the same Rollercoasters can we say Walter Disney founder “Rocking Strips” no. Rutherford turned that organization into an authoritative one. He is not responsible for what happened after his death. Russell didn’t believe in organization. His WT even had articles that he didn’t agree with because he didn’t believe in being authoritarian and allowed other opinions. See that’s why I love about the Bible students. I can hold a different opinion and they don’t bite my head off. I don’t look at what elders are doing today and blame Russell. It’s not his fault many have worshipped him. They didn’t in his day. So when I read his WT articles they are very biblical. If you disagree then do so. But don’t blame Russell so what his followers have done. I thank God he has shown be the divine plan. When I was just a regular Christian I thought we all went to heaven or hell. I read scriptures like “And those who’s names weren’t found in the book of life were thrown into the lake of fire and tormented day and night” and I was terrified. I didn’t know “hell” was the grave. I do believe that in the NT it says God gives us teachers. Russell even said that he gave credit to those before him. You mention that this didn’t originate with him. That’s correct. He’s not a prophet with some new revelation. God used Luther and I believe he used Russell. He uses all of us.

  29. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, so sorry you feel offended when we express ourselves.
    You weren’t on this site when everyone has been commenting.
    You can’t censor commenters because they express disbelief in someone that you have embraced in fondness.
    60 years ago Russell was the founder of Jehovah Witnesses and suddenly you come upon a people who want to rewrite history. You can claim Russell, there is no problem here.
    I was taught what Charles Russell taught from infancy and so was all in my congregations during my childhood and New Light was almost always from an old watchtower from Russell era or Studies in the Scriptures. My husband used to go find the new light and laugh.
    You are free to believe what you want and no one has tried to dissuade you from being a Bible student or any religion you choose, including witnesses.
    How you are taking things personally on you when you aren’t even aware of how conversations are started because you aren’t on the other forums.
    The friends of JW perhaps forum is more suited for you may be, so you aren’t offended, although I wasn’t aware you were the spokesperson or face of the Bible Students.
    We are simply discussing the Bible without realizing we have to keep you personally in mind.
    Christopher please use the Brower back button or close it for this site if it upsets you. I don’t go on sites that upset me, although I feel people have the right to talk.
    Protect yourself from anything you find harmful to you. Use the x in the browser corner. Take care

  30. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    I may not have been a JW/BS as long as you but 11 years now is a long time. Russell wasn’t the founder of the JWs. If we say that it’s because it wouldn’t exist without Russell then we can say that Jesus was the founder of any religion because it wouldn’t exist without him. And Russell’s beliefs stem from before that book eventide. The christadelphians are way older and they share about 90% of what we teach. I just feel that whenever I sure a comment about something I get stuff like “many only consider it spurious because they don’t want to believe it” or something like what Lee Anthony wrote. Some form of a passive aggressive comment about what men teach and how only you use the Bible and not what man teaches. It’s like I have a comment that may be in contradiction to what “the Holy Spirit guided me too” (yeah that and every other 40,000 Christian denominations) and then I get a comment about teachings of men as if I used words of man.

  31. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, why do you feel things are personal against you?
    You were not a Witness for long and you are new to the Bible Student movement, so this isn’t about you.
    Russell is the founder of Jehovah Witnesses, Bible Students, CL Johnson and many more offshoots from his teachings that he got from Miller and A venture, the book.
    He popularized the ideas.
    There were many more date setting preachers at that time because it was a time of great changes.
    Now it appears to be a time of revealing because we can understand Daniel. The book was to be sealed until the time of the end.

    Revelation was not sealed but a lot of the language of book can be understood better only after technology advancement and nuclear capabilities got here.

    We are just trying to think and discuss here not fight with you as an individual.

    But yes! I must constantly fight with my brain that has been brainwashed from infancy. I must relate to the errors taught me and all the over 2,000 on this site reading to what the Holy Spirit is leading us to see.
    You express yourself her also and we read it. Most of it however does follow the lines of what the witnesses teach and the Bible Students and CL but that is okay. We all have heard it before and it doesn’t bother us if your thoughts just happen to be like Russell and the Witnesses.

    There is room for all.
    Toughen up a little and don’t take it as a personal attack on you.
    Yes however we are parraleling it with what we were taught and breaking down the pieces of the formally long held doctrines of Charles Raze Russell, who spurned the Jehovah Witnesses as well as the Bible Students.

    We were only bound by those doctrines on this site.
    We don’t know what Baptist or Catholic nor Methodists etc taught.

    Fine is a Bible Student site and it teaches Russell, once I realized that I left them to do what they do and wish them well as a site.

    Here we DO BIBLE and hold it up against our thoughts and Change them if we see they are out of harmony with it.
    On Thursday night you should visit and see how it is done in a group.

    We pray to not harm you spiritually here but just read if you are uncomfortable commenting.
    So many need us to talk and tell what we see, they are afraid to even think about thinking differently than the long held beliefs of the teachings of Russell and the Watchtower Society.
    Take care and keep commenting if you like and so will we. We don’t have to respond to every comment it can be there as another point of view. Agape my brother.
    I will do spell check when I get to my computer, on a phone now.

  32. jacqueline says:

    Lee, thanks for the scriptures I will look them up and comment.
    When I told how we were using only the Bible,I was told the Holy Spirit doesn’t work that way, that I had to have someone to tell me what the verses meant. This was by a well educated Bible student over 70 years old. I felt sorry, because I 💘 this person and realizing the bondage and captivity of such a mind relying on the thoughts of man not knowing Jesus said He only was the truth and way. To deny the Power of Gods Spirit ability to work as it did in the first century was disturbing.

    Some are afraid however to rock such powerful boats by thinking out loud. But they doing so in smaller groups and here we can discuss without having our comments taken down.

    Also I am looking further but as to when these seen on Mount Zion are sealed. The Church is promised rulership with Christ but I see the Bride only mentioned again when the angel told John come, let me show you the Bride and he took him to where she lived.
    She appears to be Special and not the Church.
    I am finding this fascinating!.

  33. Lee Anthony says:

    My mind was never set, this is a brand new thought since viewing things in my own eyes and not from my old way of thinking. I read it, simply repeat it and that is it. What was repeated is not what I stated about the 144 and Joseph. It says tribe of Joseph in the verse. There isnt one I understand this point from OT, yet here it says tribe of ………

    8 “12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 sealed from the tribe of Benjamin.”

    Just a thought is all. No one wishs to argue, we care not if you dont see it this way. Thats not the point, you may believe as you wish, we do not state that any one thing here must be understood and believed by everyone

  34. Christopher Johns says:

    Lee,
    You know what I’ve noticed about this site. Is y’all claim that we are bound by mans traditions and other things but I used the Bible. Nothing said by Russell and nothing said by any book. Either my logic is wrong or you’ve come to a conclusion and everything else is wrong and words of man. There is no tribe of Joseph. It’s symbolic. To say it’s literal means that god is taking an equal amount and none more of 144,000. The 144,000 aren’t said to be the house of Jacob. Funny how the names of the tribes shows the bride of Christ. Either it’s false or you have your mind set on this and nothing else is truth. The 144,000 aren’t called the house of Jacob. That’s why I’m sick of this site. When I use the Bible I’m indirectly accused of bringing man and tradition and what others tell me to.

  35. Lee Anthony says:

    The little flock when originally spoken to by Jesus were Jews, gentiles were of course grafted in. I take Jesus at his word unless otherwise stated. God will do as he pleases not as we assume he must. Scripture does say from the tribes of Israel.
    Levi didn’t receive tribal territory like the other tribes. Also Josephs sons were considered heads of their own tribes both of which received an inheritance of land. In some lists joseph is counted as one of the 12 (Genesis 49; Deuteronomy 33). In others Levi isnt counted and Ephraim and Manasseh are considered distinct tribes.
    12 tribes – 1 (Levi) – 1 (Joseph) + 1 (Ephraim) + 1 (Manasseh) = 12 tribes

    Nowhere in all of Scripture will you find the Church or Gentile believers in Messiah Jesus called “the house of Jacob

    (Rom. 11:16-26)

    Jacqueline, It seems that reasoning with any who are bound by teaching is difficult. There is a bible student couple that speaks to my wife and I as if we were w/out understanding yet when we discuss scripture they seem amazed over and again that we read the bible. Well yes, we tell them but they dont get it because they feel that they must be taught by someone else. I learned much of what I know b4 meeting witnesses or bible students. The holy spirit teaches us, and it led the apostles to understanding that they might teach and they have given us the truth and it has not changed in 2000 years, only some of it has been fulfilled while the rest remains to be understood until it happens.
    No need to argue with anyone when we see it written clearly it cannot be reasoned against.
    Another topic of interest Is the appearing of Jesus, this is similar because of how it is clearly written yet interpreted differently because to do otherwise will make a longheld date invalid and an entire movement, (actually 2) to be thrown off track. Of course it will never change, like Israel long held ideas are hard to let go of. Jacqueline you share my thinking on this as it seems quite clear. I have a few verses so you might follow my thinking.
    Acts 1:11, rev 1:7, matt 24:44, matt 16:27, matt 24:30-31, 25:31-46, titus 2:13, jude 1:14, 1 thes 4:16-17….

  36. jacqueline says:

    Lee, thanks for your understanding. I meant the tribes of Israel. There is really 13 and the order is different very often. Joseph sons were adopted by his father and the tribe of levite is often not mentioned as they are priestly in some of the line ups in the old Testament. But with 13 you can always get yourself 12. God says what he means and means what he says. It isn’t as shrouded in mystery as we were led to believe. The Spirit conceals and reveals.
    I am praying and listening to others that don’t have a doctrine or agenda just verse by verse of what is actually said.
    Many of the signs in Revelation can be understood now. For instance bow and arrows are best described now as middles. John or Bible translator now realize how to more accurately describe nuclear power like the seven years to clear the earth by specially trained forces after the battle in Israel.
    I believe now that revealing or revelation is better understood by not adding to the text with allegorizing everything so that non Jewish religious men can put themselves in a powerful position.
    Jehovah knows what tribe all from Israel are from and if they are chosen during 1000 years then definitely no problem. I believe what the Bible says in Isiah that Jesus will rule on the throne of David and all mankind will be blessed by Abraham seed.
    The two books opened in Revelation are book of works and book of life.
    Revelation is the only book that says don’t add or subtract and read me I am special.
    Jehovah says he is making all things New. The New Earth is she’s to come.
    Also I don’t see where the Bible says how long this judging out of book of works will take. It could take more than a thousand years. Lol
    The apostles and early Christian thought in Hebrews that he had returned already when some began to die.
    Wow! Jesus didn’t mention he would be gone for 2 thousand years or more!
    So that is why I say it could be quite a while for this 2nd category of resurrected to be completed.
    This is just fascinating to throw out of our mind the old beliefs and look newly at Revelation like a group of Bible Student brothers I know.
    Btw. Some other men of faith never made the mistake of saying the millennium has already begun and still believe that.
    Gonna keep reading, listening and letting the Holy spirit he’ll me instead of doctrine of men that are long held and set. The old testament helps with some of this.
    And the 144,000 really isn’t mentioned much. You have to add to the text to put them everywhere. The Church I believe will rule with Christ on earth as the Bible says.
    Tell us more of what you are gleaning, please.

  37. Chris Johns says:

    Lee,
    The 144,000 are not literal Jews. Look at the passage. There is no Tribe of Joseph. Also, they are called the Firstfruits. The Little flock is also called the first fruits. Also, if you notice they are the ones that followed the lamb wherever they went. Jews for the most part have not done this except a remnant before the call went out to the gentiles. Also, we are called a Royal Priesthood. They are said to be singing a song. Only the priests were allowed to sing in the temple. So the priests are the 144,000. Not even the Levite’s were allowed to sing in the temple. Also, they are said to be Israel because we are granted into the promises Israel. We are called the Israel of God. They sit on the throne which is what Jesus promised to those who follow him. The great multitude serve in the temple. Not sit on the throne. Also, each of the tribes names are from Jacob. Before each of these was born he said a phrase. For example when each was born a phrase was stated. Here they are put together.

    1. Judah = “I will praise the Lord”
    2. Reuben = “He has looked on me”
    3. Gad = “Granted good fortune”
    4. Asher = “Happy am I”
    5. Naphtali = “My wrestling”
    6. Manasseh = “Making me to forget”
    7. Simeon = “God hears me”
    8. Levi = “Joined to me”
    9. Issachar = “Purchased Me”
    10. Zebulun = “Dwelling”
    11. Joseph = “God will add to me”
    12. Benjamin = “Son of His right hand”
    Now notice what happens when the meaning of the names are combined, in the same order, into a paragraph:

    “I will praise the Lord for He has looked on me and granted good fortune. Happy am I because my wrestling God is making me to forget. God hears me and is joined to me. He has purchased me a dwelling. God will add to me the Son of His right hand.” (The words in italics are supplied to complete each thought.)

    This describes the bride.

  38. Lee Anthony says:

    The bible does say the 144000 are Jews. It dont say spiritual Israel anywhere.
    Also, 1000 years is not new earth, you read it as I do too.

    I have been studying a bit in revelation on satan being locked away. The bible dont seem to say he is released to test mankind. It just says he was thrown into prison, word is same in greek, simply prison. Also says that he must be released a little while. The word translated “must” from greek implies necessity of law and command, duty. Its like a prison sentence of 1000 years, once served the criminal is released, usually on parole. God knew what satan would do, and he knew it would fail. Satan can read, he knows too but still tries.
    It seems to be between satan and God. Why does it have to be about us, as a time of test? Im wondering if there is actually a scripture that states man will be tested as part of some final test after the 1000 years? Just a thought…

  39. jacqueline says:

    I just seemed to understand this scripture. Don’t know if I have it right but I thought I would share.

    Rev. 20 4-6: 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

    This does not seem to be an event but a category of people in the first resurrection to take place after satan is abyssed by the angel Michael. It includes a wide category of individuals, not just the 144,000 as I have been taught.
    In fact, I don’t see anything about this number in these verses. I also think the 144,000 are different than the Church and because of the three identifiers of who they are, how many there are and exactly what tribes they come from, that they are Jews.

    Now I can appreciate worshipers of Jehovah including Christians being rewarded for their overcoming even tho under the curse of sin. The built-in conscience by God worked for them even in the midst of sin they did righteously. It is making sense now, the next set of verses:

    The Great Judgment Day, after restoring of all things and after satan is destroyed in the Lake of Fire and all his influencers! My heart is no longer heavy as I know my Mom and Dad were Christians and I have hope that they along with me will be of the First resurrection that Jesus is the First One and all others could follow.

    7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth–Gog and Magog–and to gather them for battle. In number, they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Then resurrection as stated in verse 20:5 The Bible doesn’t say how long this period of judgment and resurrection is. It is after satan is in the Lake of fire.
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that was in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that was in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

    The Millenium is not the new earth and although the whole earth knows about the Lord, law, and order is enforced and you can die. The New earth comes afterward. Just entirely different than my former religious affiliates have said. Their doctrine does not line up with what is really written. I now like a verse by verse study of the Bible and not topical as we taught under Russell’s theology and into the Jehovah witnesses.

  40. Rene says:

    Anonymous

    I am deeply sorry for what has happened to your brother. These are deeply troubling times and the evil in people is increasing so much that our society is losing the ability it once had to contain and control it. I was required to write a paper for one of my classes on the subject of crime and how it affects the elderly. Increases in violent crimes against the elderly are seen in some countries as a measure of social decline. I also believe that this is true as we know that before the return of Jesus and the conclusion of this system, people will become depraved on a level not seen in any point in human history according to scripture. I am thankful that God intervened and your brother was not killed. It is a terrible pain of the heart to lose people we love and I am glad that God protected the lives of your brother and the sisters that he was out with. I will pray for your brothers speedy recovery and I hope that God comforts you as I know this must have been difficult for you as well.

  41. Anonymous says:

    My brother was the captain in field service this afternoon. He was robbed, beaten and carjacked.
    He made sure all sisters were in their cars and drove off. Two men jumped in his back seat and his front seat.
    He is 77years old. I imagine there is alarm as this spreads thru the witness community in his State and city. So I will pray for him.
    Normally if they knew you were a witness the bad guys never bothered us.

  42. jacqueline says:

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Scripture but I have been doing some studying on the effects of Children of “Gay Marriages” and this is one story I came across. For what it is worth.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/magazine/sperm-donor-siblings.html?utm_medium=10today.media.20190627.smartflab.436.1&utm_source=email&utm_content=article&utm_campaign=10-for-today—4.0-styling

  43. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    John 14:6 Welcome. I agree with you. One facet of being a teacher is to make your statements understandable. When a person is left reading a post or book or listening to a comment they should at the very least understand the point that is trying to be made. We are all at different levels of understanding in our relationship with God. It is hard to agree or disagree when you are left with trying to figure out what a person is trying to say. I try to make my posts easy to understand for all readers. The Bible is plain on many subjects. There are some subjects that are more difficult and subject to interpretation. We are all entitled to our own viewpoints in these matters and as we progress, our viewpoint may change. To insist that everyone believe what we believe in such subjective matters is what has caused division and strife among Christians throughout history. Christians persecuting Christians in the name of our Lord Jesus! Instead of being united in our love and devotion for Christ, Christians have been burned at the stake and killed for disagreeing with religious leaders. Today some religions have sever shunning practices, cutting fellow Christians off from family and friends simply for disagreeing with or criticizing man made creeds and doctrines that obviously go against plain Scripture. It is these religious leaders who will share the greater culpability when Christ begins his judgment when he returns. Jesus felt pity and love for those sheep of his day who were being saddled down with heavy burdens that went beyond the Law. He openly condemned the Pharisees and religious leaders calling them offspring of vipers!
    It is OK to disagree but we want to be very careful we don’t cause division by insisting on our viewpoint. If we want to express our own viewpoint, thats OK too, but we must make our viewpoint clear enough that all can understand the point we are making. Doing so we all learn from each other and come to a greater knowledge of the truth.

  44. (John 14:6) says:

    The purity of devotion and or the simplicity that is Christ. (2 Cor. 11:2) speaks some to this effect.
    I wonder what is this “truth” so many seem to have. I believe this is a place for many people from any place or background to come and learn and to come express themselves if they like. Is not the sword of God his word the bible? Discussions on the topic seem appropriate then…We all wish to be more like Jesus and to make our minds over, but must we be above everyone else in our knowledge and understanding so that we can say we have the truth, and that we might teach in long drawn out sermonlike posts so only a few of the very elite might understand it? Even a man that is slow in thought might have Gods spirit and therefore understand what the Father wishs him to understand… The most intelligent of men seek and take in knowledge of God and the bible yet are no where near Christlike, they might however debate the best of scholars and prevail in wisdom and teaching ability. I try to word a reply yet find myself at a loss, as if I were back in college reading a book assignment and being asked to respond to something that is worded in such a way that I feel inadequate in my thinking of how I am to proceed. My life has been transformed by the holy spirit and by application of scripture, it is the only evidence I might present of my personal walk with him and of my testimony. I think most understand this to be a process and that once saved always saved is indeed false as once saved would mean saved, I think none of us are there, otherwise we wouldnt be here, discussing it. Simplicity is important here… A little at a time, its all a process and in order for us to even consider responding I think short and simple is more appropriate.

  45. jacqueline says:

    travelers I will leave this open to anyone that wishes to reply. I am in the word of God for as much as 5- 8hrs a day sometimes and hardly miss a day. I am striving for a personal relationship with God by finally concentrating on the BIBLE. Holy Spirit is powerful and we have seen it in operation at our two studies on Thursday and Saturday.
    When comments are made here, people do read them, I see the clicks. But we don’t make people comment or express what they see on here. Although they often do on Thursday night and Saturday.
    What do you expect us to do? What do you want us to do? Are you satisfied that what you have found is true and you shared it as you should?
    But why do you want or expect others to make an answer? First, you address me most of the time, that shuts down anyone else. Now I see you rightly indicated this is for everyone. That is a good thing.
    Traveler, I am really doing okay going at my pace and what I want to understand. You may have a different thing that you find difficult and you are free to express it here.
    Now I have found facebook people answer and comment on every little thing so that might be a better platform if you want to talk or a reply.
    No one, however, will read and reply to difficult to understand statements on a lot of things. They normally read a bit of it and go on. That is what I have found.
    The narrator tried to close out the forum after 1 1/2 hours Saturday and we let him know that we weren’t thru and went on for another hour or so discussing. On Thursday we are talking until the end. So what are you saying?
    Please be precise so we can understand exactly what you are expecting.
    Most on here and readers value the freedom to comment or not to comment. I will wait for your reply if you feel you want to. Take Care

  46. travelers says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    We start out Hi Jacqueline, but it is in fact to all on this site we humbly ask “what do you see from your vantage point?”

    I and my fellow pursuer, partner, wife, were talking about the nature of pursuit of enlightenment in relation to the Bible, Reality, and God. In Art we read and have found to be true that the greater/higher/finer your expression the smaller your audience. Smaller you see because the greater the enlightened thoughts used when expressing your realizations in any medium of expression, the more understanding the audience has to have to “get it”.

    This seems to suggest that maybe we’ve missed that you and those on this site have a simpler approach to drawing closer to God’s frame of mind. one you’ve recommended many times we use, and one we seem to have missed entirely. We are trying to acquire the mind of Christ on our way to become one with the mind of God, of course. All religious pursuit connected to Christ acknowledges this, although maybe not in the general population, but among their elders, priests or ministers.

    So we’ve read a good deal of the attempts to make progress on this subject or that related to the Bible, say for example, ” the sword of God”. Help us here, is this to come to know more about this subject, “the sword of God”, or is it thought to be information that will have value in your process of making your mind over, putting together parts of the puzzling picture of reality that Jesus revealed. You may be using some overview you have not yet mentioned. Truth is connected, so it shouldn’t take too long looking at details to realize you are assembling something the instruction book (Bible) calls, for example a car.

    We’ve all been at this awhile, we are your brother and sister, and we want also to come to know God, if we haven’t in some “Way”. We wish to be strengthened, by a new or more efficient process of acquiring and cataloging information so that it is usable.

    We are here “asking”.

    We see the general “once saved always saved” misconception. We see the everybody good goes to heaven and the bad go to hell misconception. We see that Jesus and his disciples made clear that you must come to understand the truth that Jesus revealed or you could not be saved. We see that they tell us that you must be taught orally by someone else that understands the complete picture as far as is has been assembled up to your time. Simple is mentioned many times. When it is simple to see that research, thought and consideration combined with a helper’s/teacher’s hand would and will lead to depth of understanding, all of it connected to the bigger picture of reality. All of it drawing you and strengthening you in your stand for first, truth, then for the leader of this pursuit, God and his messenger. Only by taking the truth as your own and standing can you “see” the stand of Jesus and Yahweh, considering them friends in pursuit.

    So simple overview that you are using in common that allows you progress, please. This is not a test or confrontational statement, just an honest request.

    In the spirit of the site, “what do you see from your vantage point?”.

  47. jacqueline says:

    Hi Christopher, I thought there was this freedom in Christ among the Bible Students but was actually confronted by an elder saying I said something on the friends website that wasn’t in harmony with Russell. Matt. 18 was thrown to the side as I wanted the actual elder that was writing the emails to admin elder personal email to contact me directly. It was denied and I was told his identity would not be revealed ever and demanded to not disagree with Russell on the site. It was short of a screaming match at me by the admin of the site. By the way the elder lied, there was no such comment, we tore the site apart trying to find these supposed comments. No apology, just a veiled threat. So I finally got free from one man’s thoughts only. God had to go that harsh route to get me on his path. Christopher, so many horrible conversations by phone happened and even some in our group had to deal with intrusiveness.
    This was started out of the blue by an elder or elders within the Chicago class.
    I have several emails stating you must agree with Russell’s writings of you comment on the friends site. Brothers overheard phone conversations between me and an elder, started by him not me. The BBB was open as one call came in So brothers heard the mandates.
    Christopher I have never seen anything like the situation in my life.
    It is documented with emails and phone calls.
    But divine providence was at play. I needed to get away from those volumes. Many Christians understand the Bible as much or more than the off shoots of Russell. I am good and where I should be directly in the Bible. No books and understand better with Holy Spirit.
    You take Care of yourself and so glad you enjoy your class, they are very nice.
    Thank you for weighing in. All Bible Students can’t be painted with one brush.
    It isn’t them I object to either. I have been a student of Russell teachings all my life. I have found it isn’t true that he alone have truths. Nor do I believe his statement that if you stop studies in the scriptures you will go into darkness in 2 years. I love seeing other Christian views and reading and studying the Bible myself as I do believe the Holy Spirit of God is powerful and can help Christian to understand.
    The making of so many books become wearisome to the soul. That is just my personal feelings. Not speaking for others.
    I am finally in a relationship with God and Jesus, I can feel it. I don’t try to pull others away from their religion because we are all trying.
    Take Care, Jacqueline

  48. Christopher Johns says:

    Hey Jacqueline,
    My ecclesia is unique. We all came out of the nominal churches. We sometimes have to tell a neighboring ecclesia to stop trying to make us have an elder and try to get us to do things their ways. But we allow for all different opinions and don’t always agree with the Volumes. We read all sorts of things. I had one brother from the Laymen’s tell me that Russell sits at the right hand of Christ. Severe Russellite’s. I still believe what Russell taught but I’m not a Russellite. I don’t agree with everything he wrote and that’s ok. I love the Bible Students. The things I’ve learned are amazing. Love it. I don’t judge anyone. Do what works for you.

  49. jacqueline says:

    So, I was asked whether or not I believe any of what Russell taught? I am saying I have studied Russell for 70years, now I want to see what other men and women of faith have to say, listen to them also and in that way learn also, that’s all.
    I am not claiming I don’t need to study with and listen to others. I am saying I have learned all I can listening to Russell. For instance, contrary to what Jehovah witnesses and the Bible Students have told us, there are others that have always understood some basic truths, for instance, the Millennium.

    David Jeremiah expresses the way I understand the 1,000 years. (not every word, as he doing the best he can). I believe Jesus will actually rule on the earth for 1,000 years and rewarded followers with him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Z_u1uKOuY&t=1836s

    I learn a lot from listening to our brothers on Thursday and going on other pages on Facebook. Boreans Bible students, Ronald Day just to name a few, plus many more. I was sitting in the park when I observed a very young couple discussing and reading their Bible at the picnic table while their little kids played in the sand. Being the introvert that I am, I inquired what they were reading? They told me they were preparing for their Bible study class. They meet in a home with a few people once a week and they have had baptisms in the waters of Lake Michigan. I learned so much from them and got the impression they too were blessed from our conversation. I no longer feel I have to agree with everything another person believe to fellowship’ But I was told I had to agree with Charles Taze Russell and accept him as the seventh messenger of Revelation. I will never do that and since it is a Russelite religion and I am done studying Russell, 70 years is enough and I will enjoy the company of my family this holiday weekend as they are all off work.
    I am getting a well-rounded view from reading just the Bible with the Holy Spirit’s help also.

    I don’t mind expressing and sharing what I see but to defend my position on not adoring and worshipping Russell is really crazy.

    PS: Brothers I am replying openly on this site the answer to private messages sent to me. So sorry if I sound erratic.

  50. jacqueline says:

    I am having lots of conversations sent to me by email and text message so I am going to share them as they come in on here without the names of the individuals. The Chicago convention is this weekend (Memorial Day) and like witnesses, I am getting invites to something I am aware of since I was there for 9 years.

    I received this:
    “I am also hoping to see you at the convention this weekend at Addison Park district on Oak St. I’d love to see you.”
    Attachments area

    I answered:
    “Hi …… , I hope you are doing okay. I will not be at the Convention. I have really decided to get away from Charles Taze Russell teachings. I am doing so much better studying in a small group with just the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I found Christians don’t need one man’s writings outlining the Bible and continue to go over and over one man’s thinking on the Bible. I got to see where the teachings that enslaved me all my life came from. For that, I thank God so I could get away from men and go directly to the Bible.
    You are my friend and I enjoy my conversations with you and associations. Feel free to visit or call me anytime. But I am not interested in learning what I have studied for 70 years, namely Charles Taze Russel’s thoughts.
    So I will not be attending any of the meetings. Thanks so much for your invitation and concern.
    I hope you understand that I am a very direct person, not wanting to lead people on. So this is not directed toward you or any brothers. I just have done enough Russell for 70 years. Love you.

  51. jacqueline says:

    Chicago has made history today! Swearing in of the first openly gay married kissing in full view Mayor.
    There is an openly gay person running for President next year. I predict he will win.
    The Chicago multi-religious
    preachers all spoke of peace in God’s name.
    INSTEAD OF CHRIST, they say they are going to do it. Almost every one of the major prayers and even the judge swearing them in was openly gay.
    What is significant is this promise of Peace as the theme.
    If this Mayor solves the immense gun violence problem that exists in Chicago then the way can be paved for the coalition of forces in the spiritual realm to try to do what only Christ Kingdom is going to do.
    Do we see the “Instead of Christ” formation? Only watching and time will tell.
    Putin is already in Power, how many more of the leaders of major countries will be openly gay remains to be seen.
    Just my thoughts on what is happening today/

  52. jacqueline says:

    Please go look at this because letters are being sent to those that have just walked away. Or just scroll to the bottom and hit the last videos on the econd and third footer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wT58CD03Y8&fbclid=IwAR36AQcdCStrvDUGVQSqax62J33XKiX9BwrVS-nm0hBDZN0TZYdM3UCn39w

  53. Nubby Tope says:

    Has anyone seen the YouTube footage of Anthony Morris III of GB buying $1000 worth of booze at 11 am on a Sunday morning? Spirit guided org? No joke.

  54. jacqueline says:

    This is a link for THE BLUE LETTER BIBLE. I find this very easy to use the tools and get commentaries and hear commentaries on their thoughts on the verse. I hovered over Gen. 6 about Nephilim and learn other thoughts on their being on the earth Afterwards. (After the flood).

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/ You can also get the App installed on your phone.

    Explains how it works, very simple.
    https://freedailybiblestudy.com/5-of-the-best-free-bible-study-tools/

  55. jacqueline says:

    Thanks Nubby, I am getting an article together on How and why we can believe that all will go as God promises. Scripturally and historically. Still pacing myself.

  56. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    So glad you’re feeling better and are on the road to recovery. Nice that your family were there to support you. Maybe “nature is overcoming nurture” with them? Whatever, you’re in my prayers Sister so go steady and God & Christ keep you safe.

  57. Jacqueline says:

    Hello everyone, I am finally home after almost three months recuperating. Henry had balloons and a huge door sign welcoming me home.

    My grandchildren were the first to get out of one car and run up to my door but said, Grandma, I think you need to see your door before we open it as they smiled from ear to ear. I burst out crying, other family did also then Henry opened the door and there were balloons and a nice welcome home gift. Jeff was waiting for the call that I was on the way and he would have been there but Henry had the wrong number.

    My son and I agreed the grandchildren were learning lessons here also as our family has been healing from Georgia, Alabama, to Illinois, California, and Indiana.

    My Family is Jehovah witnesses and they behaved like Christians and Love was the quality I saw in action. My children and one wife did more than say I am sorry for the difficult actions against me because I chose to leave the family religion and seek Jesus directly without going through the organization. I also have to admit not being on an attack website helped to ease the tensions also. All family knows about this new website and the fact we are just here to help those having a difficult time adjusting and give them a place to rest a bit until they can stand on their own two feet.

    There are lots of help on the internet for those with anger that they absolutely must be allowed to vent and cry out in their sorrow of a life controlled and ruined,

    Then they move on to websites that acknowledge their pain but also offer a chance to get to Jesus with friends standing behind them. Also to share with us what the Spirit reveals to them.
    Finally, they are on their way to inner peace and can forgive any action sent their way because now they are free.

    Thank you for reading and I am so glad by God’s Grace, an undeserved kindness, I survived my stroke and pneumonia, healing took place in our family and now I AM HOME. A threefold cord, Praise Him!

  58. jacqueline says:

    Good Morning, Today is going to be a great day. Find a person that makes you happy and spend as much time with them as possible!
    Worship God and Jesus today. The Gospels will lift your spirit as we move toward that time to Remember Him and celebrate the Memorial of his great sacrificial death. Smile at 10 people today! It will change your brain.

  59. jacqueline says:

    I would like to publicly thank all of the friends from this site for their emails and prayer text messages for my swift recovery. I need those prayers.
    I had clients that weren’t aware I was sick just text to say thinking of you. They were moved some said to just text me at this new year, not knowing what happened. Jeff, Tia, Rena, Yuna, Greg and client Greg, Andrea, dozens of classmates in this site, Henry and so many more. I appreciate your deep love and concern. My family have all stepped up to encourage and help me. Thank you so much. And thank God for his mercies

  60. jacqueline says:

    If you are facing one of the biggest battles in your life now, GET EXCITED ABOUT IT!
    God does not give big battles to little soldiers. Let’s not compare ourselves to anybody just do what you can. This thing that we are in the end so we have to hurry and get in a class is manmade. Be the tortoise not the hare and you will get where God wants you to be.
    Hopefully more can join our simple but joyful study of the Bible only. No books.

  61. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    Sorry to hear you’ve been ill recently; please get well soon as you’re such an encouragement to us all here. You’re in my prayers Sis.

  62. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I sent an email to the entire group with an update. Thank you.

  63. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Dear Sr Jacqueline
    I didn’t know anything happened to you! I’m so sorry! My love and prayers are with you. Please, if you can, have someone in our group provide me an update as to what happened and how you are doing.
    Sincere Christian love

  64. jacqueline says:

    Hello everybody. My family is the greatest. I am surrounded by them and some flew in. My mother and father would be so happy. I am getting so much support that the doctor says I am improving hour by hour not day by day. I will not be able to post back to you. My speech is improving and hand has been greatly improved. Love you. Thanks for the prayers!

  65. jacqueline says:

    TedR, so this is one aspect of the conversation I tried to have with the admin of the friendsofJehovahwitnesses site. They are writing a fabricated history and are actually believing it and it is being repeated on facebook under a page of the difference in Bible students and Jehovah Witnesses. They are the same except the witnesses are more adhesive and organized than the Bible students.
    The witnesses are more like Charles Taze Russell’s organization. He had corporations and he used the Studies In The Scriptures as God-given law, as if it was the Bible itself. Like the Watchtower.
    The Bible students invited me to join a Whatsapp discussion last week to finish the SITS in 2 years by using 5 pages a day. They go through these books over and over again like they are the Bible. They quote what “pastor” Russell says from these volumes as if they are the Bible. For me, it was idolatry to sit and hear this quoting of a dead man and saying a vow unto the lord of a dead man that refused to admit he was committing adultery and made this false vow to God that people repeat over and over again and hardly any of them can keep it especially those in the medical field or in a field of supervisor or authority, because of a man that they worship. They call him pastor when this is a part of the Nicolaitan teaching that Jesus said he hated. (Nico-clergy, laitan-laity).
    Russell like the watchtower society and the Bible students (not all of them, however, just the Russellite segment) says you will go into darkness if you stop studying like a ritual these old 18th century musing of a host of men that were trying to put together what they saw in that century.
    Daniel, however, showed that in the time of the end it would become clearer. So who would keep regurgitating these thoughts over and over again, year in and year out?
    Jehovah Witnesses and Rutherford have as their founder Charles Taze Russell along with the other offshoots of Bible Students with their confusion of differences.
    Some xjw turned BS get upset with me when I refuse to discuss the teachings of Russell and instead refer to the teachings of the Bible without reference to the 6 volumes of the scriptures.
    Most of these xjw have never gone to dozens of conventions all over the country and attended dozens of their meetings to see how it amounts to worship of Russell and the Studies In The Scriptures.
    They only have online experiences with them and that is why they can’t see what I experienced.
    And that is okay for each of us have our experiences and can only make a decision on what we have seen. Many are getting a lot of knowledge from being on the Bible Student sites and talking with them and that is a good thing as all religions have some great truths, even the Jehovah Witnesses. A broken clock even is correct twice a day.
    I TedR can’t go back into the same thing I dug myself out of, the thoughts and writings of Charle Taze Russell.
    Jehovah witnesses and The Bible Students are the same basic religion, and re-writing a new history does not change that.
    I have the videos of Raymond Franz at the end of every page.

  66. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Here is an interesting video, what are your thoughts? It is a video commenting on a WT article from 1910 in Ray Franz book I Search of Christian Freedom regard statements made in that article.
    https://youtu.be/KrR1DLtEbMQ

  67. jacqueline says:

    Greg and Ted, so glad you guys are keeping everything moving. I heard from Marjo and Una. They both are doing what I am doing enjoying our kids and me grandkids. Una had a standing reading and explanation of the story and reason for Jesus to come into the world and die. Her family and friends had a joyous day. Marjo has her husband’s son with them also for the holiday period and she sent photos of their joy. I visited family at my birth city. I now have all five if my grands. So you see we are in bliss and out of touch until after school starts January 7th. They said to let you know, it’s family time!
    May God bless us all.

  68. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Barbara Anderson.
    Seasons Greetings!

    SCAARS, which is the acronym for a new 501(c)(4) non-profit lobbying corporation, Sexual Child Abuse – Advocates for Reform and Safety (SCAARS), has attached a gift for you of the trial transcript of Nunez v. Watchtower (426 pages). That Montana trial began the afternoon of September 24, 2018.

    SCAARS was formed by Barbara Anderson, former Watchtower insider, and former Jehovah’s Witness elder, Roger Bentley and his wife, Karin. The date of incorporation was October 3, 2018.

    On the Home Page of the SCAARS website, scaars.org, you will find information that explains the goal of the movement – SCAARS, “Changing Laws – Changing Lives.”

    Please share the Nunez v. Watchtower trial transcript. It costs over $800 to purchase this transcript from the court, but it was a gift to SCAARS. Be assured that this material is a public domain document.

    It is important that as many people as possible read the extraordinary information found in the Nunez v. Watchtower transcript, so share, share and share it some more with everyone you know just like we are sharing it with everyone we know.

    Sincerely,
    SCAARS Board of Directors

    Nunez v. Watchtower (Montana Jury Awards $35,000,000 to JW Child Abuse Victim)
    Trial Transcript: 426 pages in PDF format.

    https://scaarscaorg.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/nunez-v-watchtower.pdf

    Attorney for the Plaintiff, Neil Smith’s excellent closing arguments are found on pages 412 through 415 of the transcript.

  69. jacqueline says:

    I was moved by the long friendships of these young ladies and their 100 years of life being credited to their faith and God. Not once did I hear them say they were special. Their worship forged friendships not break them up. I accept my journey and am happy but now I will read and cheer the journey of other believers in Christ. Enjoy.
    https://www.facebook.com/1842900639/posts/10210449210426886/

  70. jacqueline says:

    Kevin, HELLO!! long time since we have talked. You can post your story here. I don’t think Dawn will send it to us.
    Kevin the Bible students don’t have a headquarters, Dawn is a class and not a headquarters.
    So you can post your story here if you like.

  71. Kevin Davis says:

    Kevin things are well now I will send the dawn a letter for them to.send to you in about 3 or 4 months of my story Kevin Davis

  72. anonymous says:

    John Aquilla Brown wrote the things Russell takes credit for before he was born.

    From Jehovah’s Witnesses: Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, pp. 133-134:
    “of the Gentile Times
    The matter of Bible chronology had long been of great interest to Bible students. Commentators had set out a variety of views on Jesus’ prophecy about “the times of the Gentiles” and the prophet Daniel’s record of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream regarding the tree stump that was banded for “seven times.”—Luke 21:24, KJ; Dan. 4:10-17.

    As early as 1823, John A. Brown, whose work was published in London, England, calculated the”seven times” of Daniel chapter 4 to be 2,520 years in length. But he did not clearly discern the date with which the prophetic time period began or when it would end. He did, however, connect these “seven times” with the Gentile Times of Luke21:24.

    True, John Aquila Brown published the book The Even-Tide in 1823 in which he taught that the Gentile Times was a period of 2,520 years that went from 604 BC to 1917 AD. However, for Brown, the end of the Gentile Times meant the “transcendant ‘glory of Israel'” and was related to the natural Jewish nation (see title page).

    The chapter on the 2,520 years from Brown’s book The Even-Tide (about 2 MB) can be downloaded from this file sharing site:

    http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=e91866a43723c510c1c874de52217f34
    This is old so won’t work now.

    Read more here: B. Anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/examining-apocalypticism/#more-4839
    From the mid-1920s, a man by the name of Frederick Franz, born in 1893, assumed the role as the “oracle” or “visionary” that came up with most of Jehovah’s Witnesses interpretive religious ideas. He went blind in the early 1980s and completely senile later that same decade. He died in 1992 at the age of 99. It was Franz that came up with the 1975 dogma that Jehovah’s Witnesses proclaimed far and wide as “truth” without any proof at all. The failure of that prediction caused over 500,000 Witnesses to abandon their religion. Many Witness leaders blamed Franz.

    When I was part of the Watch Tower’s Writing Department staff, I examined Franz’s vast personal library in his office. The bookshelves contained scores of old worn books that discussed religious topics. Nine years later, after my association with the Witnesses ended, I began a research project on the subject under consideration and realized that Franz basically took information from those old books on his bookshelves and redeveloped 15th to the 19th century religious ideas about the “last days” and branded them as “new truths” under the guise of “progressive revelation,” just like the founder of the Bible Student movement, C. T. Russell, did before him.

  73. jacqueline says:

    Hi Valleygirl, I do remember being asked to go to the root of what happened with our deception by going directly to the founder of the Jehovah witness organization and its other little groups, Charles Taze Russell. Rutherford just carried on the wishes his mentor, Russell.
    At the time Valleygirl, I was on a journey and hearing an entirely different story. I was trusting. I don’t regret the journey because for a minute I got a rest from the experience with the Jehovah Witnesses.
    But when I began asking questions and refusing to accept what were absurd doctrines to me, the honeymoon ended and stuff got real! Russell as the Laodacian Angel and the Faithful slave was too much for me again. So now I am listening to you and others.
    Many tried to warn me and get me to check out things but this journey put me in the belly and I know both sides.
    Now I go straight to Jehovah God thru Jesus with the help of the Holy Spirit. I threw away all those books. So let’s talk.

  74. jacqueline says:

    Jubal, thank you for commenting and welcome. I remember in the 1950’s when the watchtower had an article talking about this statement! I didn’t read all of the link but must go back and finish it tonight.
    How dare a mere man claim he is so great that his writings aside from the Bible can give us God’s plan.
    The messenger has sometimes been flawed even if God sent him or helped him, BUT THE MESSAGE HAS NEVER BEEN FLAWED!
    Jesus said the householder would prepare if he knew when the thief was coming, therefore no man knows not even the Son Jesus (the thief) the day or the hour. Satan (the householder) could figure it out if Jesus could so what makes this man predict 1914 as the end of the world. Also, parousia means Coming as well as a presence. And nowhere in the Bible does he say it would be invisible but rather.
    Matthew 24:23-27 English Standard Version (ESV)
    23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Not one man seeing him invisibly.

    The character of this man’s disrespect for women with his wife living in the same home.

    “ABOUT “PASTOR” RUSSELL 29 —-he said, “What is it?” and I said, “Rose has told me
    that you have been very intimate with her and that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her on no account to tell me, but she couldn’t keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that.”
    ” he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said, “I am not your wife.” and he said, “I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife.”
    Q. Then, what other terms were used?

    A. Then he said, “I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds, I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others,” and she wrote that out so that I could remember if for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.” See pages 23 onward for details.

    So The Messenger and the Message appears to me to be from an egotistical man who started an empire of deception.

  75. Jubal says:

    Jacqueline. I’ve read your link to “Some facts and more facts about Charles Taze Russell”
    and I found it to be an eye opening experience. For instance under the heading \”42 facts and more facts\” it says: \”If the six volumes of
    \’Scripture Studies\’ are practically the Bible, topi-
    cally arranged, with Bible proof texts given, we
    might not improperly name the volumes \’the Bible
    in an arranged form.\’ That is to say, they are not
    mere comments on the Bible, but they are practi-
    cally the Bible itself. Furthermore, not only do we
    find that people cannot see the Divine plan in study-
    ing the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if
    anyone lays the \’Scripture Studies\’ aside, even after
    he has used them, after he has become familiar
    with them, after he has read them for ten years— if
    he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes
    to the Bible alone, though he has understood his
    Bible for ten years, our experience shows that with-
    in two years he goes into darkness. On the other
    hand, if he had merely read the \’Scripture Studies\’
    with their references and had not read a page of the
    Bible as such he would be in the light at the end of
    two years, because he would have the light of the
    Scriptures.\” (Watchtower September 15th 1910)
    That’s a shocking statement! There’s more spiritual strength in the “Scripture Studies\”
    alone than reading the Bible by itself??????

  76. valleygirl says:

    Jacqueline, I am still reading thru this and will comment when I finish but I have asked you to talk about this before but you weren’t open to it. I am glad to see this discussion. I really need to go to the source and see how this movement developed.
    So far I see a lot of parallels between the present-day witness organization and what Russell was setting up. His set up with the infirmary, the different corporations, the Bethel like situation with men staying there and forever changing his answers when presented in your face evidence reminds me of our present-day governing body. Rutherford followed exactly what Russell started and the witnesses are more directly from Russell now with their set up.
    So I will come back when I finish my read but I am glad you are willing to listen to what we at least have to say on this. Thank you so much for opening this up. I need to know!

  77. jacqueline says:

    This is an interesting website I came across when I was looking up information on how the Watchtower organization was formed. It seems it was formed while Russell was alive and the annual meeting was held and the shuffling of money in different corporations happened long before Rutherford took over and was started by Russell.
    This is homework I should have done 8 years ago but God took me on the journey so I could hear one story and see the actual true story compiled a century ago. Interesting.
    https://archive.org/stream/SomeFactsAndMoreFactsAboutCharlesTazeRussell/1913_Some_Facts_More_Facts_About_Russell__djvu.txt

  78. jacqueline says:

    This is why Jehovah says to “get out of her my people” (Rev 18). Organized religions are havens for child sexual abuse and if people would leave these institutions and go directly to God in small groups they could protect their children. Baptist Church in my area + more. Just disgusting, I remember this first case.
    https://www.star-telegram.com/living/religion/article222576310.html?fbclid=IwAR3DDlEGK5euGGK-ixge4v0xsUOsZrHQzwCgCq0aJ-hfHn_AUWGSO9fdQSQ

    If you live in California there is a petition here: Also great info on cults.
    https://familiesagainstcultteachings.blogspot.com/2018/11/clergy-sex-abuse-ca-attorney-generals.html?fbclid=IwAR00CltrhGPNQjUCMYPRuRPkpOytk6vRpmRHdBYSu4nVSacUadfBc0wrssE

  79. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    So true! We follow Christ not man or man made organizations!

  80. Jacqueline says:

    You can not get healed in the same place that hurt you.
    When it comes to Spiritual healing go directly to the Bible as God never hurt you, men did.
    Organized religious systems are basically the same just packaged differently or closely.
    It can just be a different kind of crazy!

  81. jacqueline says:

    I watched the funeral for George Bush today and pondered on the many scriptures they used and the fact there was a sense they know about resurrection as the Bible teaches.
    I look and listen more now to get a sense of how I was taught only persons claiming to have “The Truth” understand the deep things of the Bible. More and more I see that is not true. Other Christians are digging also and no one religion has all truth some approach it prophetically, some from Love others from life lessons to get from the Bible. When we listen to many voices we get a rounded view of the Bible.
    I noticed that I understood why they read the scriptures they did without interpretation, just simply read it and the words spoke for themselves.
    Strange it took 70 years for me to finally consider the Bible, but better late than never.

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