Ask Jacqueline

"It is not Happy people that are Thankful, but Thankful people who are happy"

So where ever there are people there is an opportunity to be kind. I decided to make a list of how I can be thankful and show it to others.

First, ALL THANKS goes to GOD and JESUS for Life and Love.

Thanks for leading me to the Bibles' 66 books instead of the many endless writings of men. Death will take me before I finish these, but thanks.

Here are some of my personal heartfelt thankfulness.

  1. I am thankful I had my son and granddaughter visiting with me during the holidays.
  2. I am thankful that I can be a part of life and not afraid of it.
  3. I will complain less and breathe more.
  4. I will Let Be, Let Go, Let God.
  5. I will make the choice to let go of negative thoughts and fill my mind with positively thoughts.
  6. I will realize humans are a walking breathing wonder created by God and Jesus.
  7. I will give thanks for another day of giving, loving and life and hate no one.
  8. I will consider how fortunate I am and give myself the gift of being joyfully me.
  9. I will change myself and communicate with love, not apprehension.
  10. I will pray every day and often for myself and those I love and not so fond of. My grandchildren will take priority in my life now that my kids are grown.  


153 Responses to Ask Jacqueline

  1. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Ron Matsen:

    Standing firm during times of uncomfortable change is a sign of faith in the One who brings about that change. God seldom shares His plans with us as He is moving us about according to His purpose. Nevertheless, we do well to put our hope in His will, which He brings about His way. After all, the world is watching to see if our faith has the feet to follow the pathway God has chosen for us.

    Remember the confidence expressed in Psalm40:1-3, which says,

    “I waited patiently for the LORD; And He inclined to me and heard my cry. He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my steps. He has put a new song in my mouth–Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear and will trust in the LORD.”
    May God continue to bless you as you continue to study His Word.

  2. jacqueline says:

    There was an old man in Tuscany who couldn’t plant his tomato plants because he was too old to dig up his garden. His son normally dug up and turned the ground every year but he was in prison.
    The old man wrote him in prison to let him know that without his help he couldn’t dig up his garden this year and would suffer hardship without his help.

    The son wrote back, NO, DAD DON’T DIG UP THE GARDEN! That is where the bodies are buried!

    Well, the next day the FBI was at the man’s house and dug up the entire garden looking for the bodies but found nothing.

    They apologized.
    The old man got a letter from his son that said, dad, glad I was able to help. Now plant your garden.

    It just goes to show that help can come from many sources, we just need to wait and let Yahweh and Jesus do it.

  3. Mimi says:

    If I have friends that are non-Christians or non-Jehovah’s Witnesses, in there so happen to not come back in the New World, how shall I cope with it?

    • jacqueline says:

      Hello Mimi and welcome. What a deeply interesting question. I will break the answer down into little bits. You will see your friends in the Resurrection. Don’t worry, God and Jesus got this.
      Romans 3:23 23 ” for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” That includes Jehovah witnesses and all of mankind.
      Some, however, have faith in Jesus now and this is good, Jesus told Mary and Martha when their brother Lazarus died: John 11:25-29
      25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
      1. Non- believers are those that may be in religions that don’t recognize Jesus Christ as their savior, like Muslim, Hindu religion, etc. Even some that accept Jesus don’t live the Christian life. And none of us are perfect.
      So Jesus died to Ransom, “ALL” of us, “ALL” of mankind that has ever lived because we all sin every day.
      1Timothy 2:5-6 “5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.
      2. Who did Jesus resurrect when he was on earth?
      In the New Testament, Jesus is said to have raised several persons from death. These resurrections included the daughter of Jairus shortly after death, a young man in the midst of his own funeral procession, and Lazarus of Bethany, who had been buried for four days.
      There is no evidence that they were believers in Christ except Lazarus, but Jesus resurrected them.
      You don’t have to be a Christian or a Jehovah’s witnesses to be resurrected if you die. Your death before Armageddon or if you die while the Great Tribulation or armageddon is going on has nothing to do with your resurrection. A “great crowd will survive” and they will have recognized Jesus it seems during the tribulation. They aren’t just Jehovah’s witnesses but from every tribe nation and tongue. Rev 7:9
      We(everybody) gets resurrected BECAUSE JESUS DIED AND REDEEMED US! Everybody.
      Psalms 49:7 “No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them–”
      1Timothy 2:5-7, 6 “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. 7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.”
      Jesus died as a “Ransom or Redeemer for ALL”, not just those within the watchtower organization or followers of Christ. He “saved ALL men from having to stay dead if they die before he comes back and rule for 1,000 years on this earth as King on the throne of David in Jerusalem, where the Jews live.
      3. We all individuals will be judged by God. It doesn’t matter what religion you call yourself.
      Here is one scripture that shows all will be judged in the future by God and Jesus.
      6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
      This is Judgement day, after the 1,000-year reign of Christ and after satan has been let loose. Read all of Revelation 20 but here are a few verses:
      11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
      Mimi, I hope this helps you a little. I would like for you to write and ask more questions about this and any other subject you might have on your mind.
      You can also ask about other things in life. I detect you might be young. By young, I think below 20.
      If this is true please feel free to ask any question because this site was originally set up by a teenager who had a life question and I opened the site back up to speak with her.
      So this site is for young ones also. Take Care and write again.

      • Mimi says:

        Thank you so much, This really helped me understand, and yes I am below 20!

        • jacqueline says:

          Mimi thank you for your quick response. This will help any of our other readers respond to you.
          You see if you are older and know a lot about the Bible we would talk differently than if you are a young one in Christ.
          Now some of the other readers can respond realizing that you are a young person.
          I think I will look up the phone number of the teenager who begged me to open “Ask Jacqueline” back up again. She felt that teenagers and young people were suffering because so many of their parents have left the Jehovah witness organization. This she said was all she knew and all her friends were gone too, because if a parent leaves they don’t talk to the children of those parents.
          I don’t know if this is your situation but you are an encouragement to other young ones to ask questions, seek answers and care about what Jehovah God and Jesus are doing.
          Talk to you soon. With Christian love my little sister in Christ, Jacqueline.

  4. jacqueline says:

    This is a great Movie about the Kingdom. It has excellent Bible-based points.

    This one is about events before the return of Christ to the earth to sit on the throne of David.

    This one is about the earthquakes:


    • Kevin says:

      ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD. mean?. not to MURDER.

      • Kevin says:

        leaders are total responsible of Jehovah’s witnesses for kids in the faith of Jehovah’s witnesses for shunning. and blood deny kids medical treatment if the spirit driven organization. and if the were abused and cover up not reported to social services. rules are set policy of governing body. in last days governing body aprovesto elders since they rule the whole members say the elders will you obey the faithful discreet slave no matter how crazy it sounds. what does that mean based on bible when they in bible march around city. is this cool aid talk. elders claiming government coming to get Jehovah’s witnesses. in all nations including untied states.

        • jacqueline says:

          Kevin, do you notice the Bible does not mention Spirit-driven organization anywhere? The governing body of the witnesses made it up and the non-Bible studying members bought it.

          Jesus and the entire Bible only mention the KINGDOM as the ruling authority.
          The KINGDOM is all throughout the Bible.

          There is no mention of a governing body anywhere in the Bible. They are called Christian and brothers, elders, or presiding is mentioned. The Church was going to grow and such would be needed. But no one has the right to tell another person they have to accept made up
          names, doctrines, and rules.

          But it will all be solved and those that want to or find it easier for a body to govern them rather than have a personal relationship will have to confront this decision as all of us will stand alone before the Judgement seat of God.

      • jacqueline says:

        Kevin, I see what you are saying. Sorry to be late in replying I have been on the road.
        Shedding of innocent blood is murder according to the Bible.

        I don’t subscribe to it meaning not using blood to save a life. Eating blood can be dangerous and it is for flavoring and not used to save a life.
        The blood of an innocent animal was used to cover the sin of Adam and Eve immediately.
        They sewed leaves together but Jehovah right off taught that blood has to be shed to atone for your sins. He continued this with the Israelites in requiring daily sacrifices. This showed that even if you took a blood transfusion of killed animals to continue your life, it is only temporary as after doing both you will still die. He has always allowed humans to use blood to save a life.
        His own Son shed His blood to save all of our lives.
        Jehovah knows everything and he definitely would know about the modern medical procedure call blood transfusion. He nowhere demands that blood isn’t to be used to save a life. Quite the contrary.
        But if someone decides that this medical treatment is not for them they are free to refrain.
        Cain decided that he didn’t think it acceptable to offer a blood sacrifice by killing an animal, although Jehovah had instituted it with his parents. Instead, he said the unblemished firstfruits was enough.

  5. jacqueline says:

    This is crazy. You can do a lot with numbers and sometimes the results make you say hmmm.

  6. jacqueline says:

    The Pope thinks he has the power to say who has the Holy Spirit! The papacy has no shame! Hopefully, people will get out of some of the organizations and form small groups like the first century and let the Holy Spirit teach them.

  7. jacqueline says:

    I just learned something tonight from Br. Dave about the trials for the Covid-19 Vaccine.

    Normally subjects are followed for a specific period of time, but not as MANY as with this vaccine!

    So just for our info, these vaccines have had more people in the trial than our other vaccines.

    More people vs a smaller number over a longer period.

    Just FYI.

  8. jacqueline says:

    I was listening to Jeopardy today and Alex Trebek’s statement was; The Jehovah’s witness bible has Torture Stake at—- what word do other Bibles have.
    The answer was What is Cross?

    I didn’t think that was so important but it made the religious category.

  9. jacqueline says:

    Lazarus was defeated in death then he was alive but still entangled in his death clothing.
    Once he was free he was dangerous!
    So dangerous they put a hit out on his life.
    A freed unintangled follower of Christ is like Lazarus.
    We testify to Jehovah having freed us and we speak out!
    We can’t be afraid to speak out against religious systems that wish to hold or suck back in those Jesus has set freed.
    There are uncountable small groups meeting all over the globe.
    Some have to hide some can be open on the internet.
    Covid-19 has shut down these giant churches with all their rituals, priests, elders, bishops, governing bodies and popes.
    This freedom is allowing many to escape.
    Who would have thought a virus would shut down these scandalous institutions and prohibiting the taping if little boys and girls.
    The boy scouts can be added to this list.
    I dont like Covid but I appreciate it is allowing more to escape without having to fight with family like we all did, before the pandemic.
    In every cloud there is a silver lining. Praise YAHWEH!

  10. jacqueline says:

    2 Pope’s were aware of gross sexual abuse by defrocked cardinal but ignored it.
    They call the pope ‘holy father’s and the vicar of Christ.
    What you have to ask is why do Catholics still support this religion?
    The governing body of the “witnesses” knew about the sexual abuse cases also and turned a blind eye.
    Both religions hold first place for pedophilia by their priests, elders and members both male and female. Yet their members speak adoringly and defensively of their so called holy governing bodies.
    I received a call from a female member to defend the belief that God has appointed theses bodies.
    She is 70 years or older and still have no empathy for victims that I brought to her attention that I know she was aware when one girl was just 19 months old until 12 years when she was impregnated. Sad.
    Link below and many more on google.

  11. jacqueline says:

    Remember, if you are down and can’t find a friend to talk it over with, You can always talk it over with Jesus.
    He will work it out!
    Anytime anywhere, talk to God. Love and blessings to those with sick love ones. We are praying for you.

  12. jacqueline says:

    This story started playing on my You Tube and it is so wonderful. It is about respect. I thought others might like it or not.

  13. Christopher says:

    Today is the day I let the Bible Students know I won’t be meeting with them anymore. Its been a rough couple of days coming to this conclusion. I don’t know what I am going to do.

    • jacqueline says:

      Christopher because I was on a little phone just posting to help someone I didn’t check the comments. I don’t know if this was on hers Saturday but wish you had tuned in with us on testimony, perhaps we can help.
      Also if you want a special zoom meeting to talk tonight maybe 3 or 4 can come on around 8 pm your time tonight.
      Also, you can discuss it openly here on the site.
      Also, realize you are not a slave so you don’t have to notify people that you are going anywhere.
      Didn’t they say you don’t join them, that they are not an organization.

      If Jeff, Lee or others want to join tonight 7pm Central and 8pm Eastern.

    • jacqueline says:

      Christopher, have you thought that some things are meant for a season and not lifelong?
      Jehovah God, Jesus our Redeemer, the Holy Spirit, the Bible the word of God is the only enduring and everlasting. You were just passing through to finally exhale and seek out other Christians.
      I personally am listening to men whom God has allowed to glean spiritual gems that Russell or Miller may have missed. Even to clear up a misunderstood thought from their time period.

      I don’t worry that they may or may not believe in a trinity or what-not because they have much more to say than that. Only our former associating religions try to dissuade you from listening to them. When much of Russell’s thoughts are not exactly what the Bible teaches, but we listened to his thoughts and those of the witnesses. The men themselves were okay, but their adherents are the ones worshipping them and trying to get others to see it just his way.
      You are an adult and free to pursue God and the Bible only. 66 library books with hidden gems all over the pages. It will take a lifetime or two to find all of them.

      It seems you have come to a knee situation with Jehovah and prayer. Talk to the Father, as prophets and men of faith including Jesus did when they got under trial. He listens. Now that you have developed the confidence to go directly to Jehovah through Christ, drop those books and magazines and just pick up the Bible with tears, cry out and ask him to help you fight the demons that plaque you and give you the strength to endure.

    • jacqueline says:

      Christopher if you are checking the site.
      How are you doing?

  14. jacqueline says:

    Just belonging to a religious organization or attending its meetings does not make you a Christian.
    No more than standing or sleeping in a garage makes you a car.

    Adultery, pedophilia and rape can be systemic in a religion, like a calling card an identifier.

    It generally is prevalent at the very top of the hierarchy and works it way down.
    The lowest ones on the hierarchy ladder are it’s best people and the ones trying.
    Their support however keeps the organization running.
    You know chicken soup because it has lots of chicken in it.
    You know the flavor of a religion by what it’s elders or ministers projects. Elders are becoming notorious for immorality with multiple members of the congregation. Thus breaking up families. The women are just as much at fault also. 60,000 to 80,000 disfellowshipped per year is astounding!
    This is my opinion and with heavy heart news of more broken families is happening.
    Our heart goes out to those affected.

  15. jacqueline says:

    I am listening to the funeral of John Lewis, a man I saw as a child on the next street from me. Jessie Jackson and Dr. Martin Luther King were there, plus many more as they spoke on the steps of Bethel Baptist Church.

    My life of “Good Trouble” was influenced by these men, the need to be free and have the freedom to worship and live in peace with others.

    He fought a good fight and helped many to by God’s Grace be free to not only have some form of equality in our country but the freedom to worship God in the way the Bible says and not have to be in slavery to men and their doctrines.

    He will be missed on the Senate floor.
    We are all a product of our experiences in life and mine has been growing up in segregation in the South and subjugated even more by loss of ability to think and learn about Jesus.
    But now I hope it is all behind me as the younger generation now move forward in freedom and peace.

  16. jacqueline says:

    I never thought about it but twice God has given the power to speak in tongues.
    Of course Pentecost which brought people together in unity with Christ.

    But also at the tower of Babel. To disunify.

  17. Jacqueline says:

    Tik-Tok: One of the tests of your spiritual progress is “Do you see the hand of God when you are looking at the hand of man?”

    If man is doing you wrong do you see a growth prospect for you there?

    If you are getting a blessing from something man is doing, do you see the hand of God in that?

    God is up to something when you are going through a long test.

    When the test is long the thing you will have to do is big, so when under trial, accept it as a training course allowed by God.

  18. jacqueline says:

    From Barbara Anderson

    Download the new book

    This is for those that need more to help them escape the teachings of Russell, Rutherford and the present corporation set up. If this brother sits down for a ” judicial” meeting st this awakened hour then he still has a long trip out. Men in his positions of old wish for the glory of the days when people fesred Circuit or District overseers and they had glory and lauded it over people. Now as the organi6throw them away. They write but still say it is Gods organization. I probably won’t read this but it is here. Enjoy.

    PS: You will exhale one day and be convinced and not need enforcement. You will move on but if you need this for now. Read it. It can have some triggers however as he still believes.

  19. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Barbara Anderson:


    If you can sit quietly after difficult news; if in financial downturns you
    remain perfectly calm; if you can see others succeed without a twinge of
    jealousy; if you can happily eat whatever is put on your plate; if you can
    fall asleep after an intense day without a drink or a pill; if you can
    find contentment just where you are: You are probably a dog.

    —Jack Kornfield

  20. jacqueline says:

    There is always a silver lining in every cloud. The break up of the family and devices have gotten out of hand. Enjoy

  21. jacqueline says:

    Without birth pains, there won’t be a Birth of the Kingdom of God.
    The Lord’s Devastation of the Earth
    24 See, the Lord is going to lay waste the earth
    and devastate it;
    he will ruin its face
    and scatter its inhabitants—
    2 it will be the same
    for priest as for people,
    for the master as for his servant,
    for the mistress as for her servant,
    for seller as for buyer,
    for borrower as for lender,
    for debtor as for creditor.
    3 The earth will be completely laid waste
    and totally plundered.
    The Lord has spoken this word.

    4 The earth dries up and withers,
    the world languishes and withers,
    the heavens languish with the earth.
    5 The earth is defiled by its people;
    they have disobeyed the laws,
    violated the statutes
    and broken the everlasting covenant.
    6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
    its people must bear their guilt.
    Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
    and very few are left.
    7 The new wine dries up and the vine withers;
    all the merrymakers groan.
    8 The joyful timbrels are stilled,
    the noise of the revelers has stopped,
    the joyful harp is silent.
    9 No longer do they drink wine with a song;
    the beer is bitter to its drinkers.
    10 The ruined city lies desolate;
    the entrance to every house is barred.
    11 In the streets they cry out for wine;
    all joy turns to gloom,
    all joyful sounds are banished from the earth.
    12 The city is left in ruins,
    its gate is battered to pieces.
    13 So will it be on the earth
    and among the nations,
    as when an olive tree is beaten,
    or as when gleanings are left after the grape harvest.

    14 They raise their voices, they shout for joy;
    from the west they acclaim the Lord’s majesty.
    15 Therefore in the east give glory to the Lord;
    exalt the name of the Lord, the God of Israel,
    in the islands of the sea.
    16 From the ends of the earth we hear singing:
    “Glory to the Righteous One.”

    But I said, “I waste away, I waste away!
    Woe to me!
    The treacherous betray!
    With treachery the treacherous betray!”
    17 Terror and pit and snare await you,
    people of the earth.
    18 Whoever flees at the sound of terror
    will fall into a pit;
    whoever climbs out of the pit
    will be caught in a snare.

    The floodgates of the heavens are opened,
    the foundations of the earth shake.
    19 The earth is broken up,
    the earth is split asunder,
    the earth is violently shaken.
    20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
    it sways like a hut in the wind;
    so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
    that it falls—never to rise again.

    21 In that day the Lord will punish
    the powers in the heavens above
    and the kings on the earth below.
    22 They will be herded together
    like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
    they will be shut up in prison
    and be punished[a] after many days.
    23 The moon will be dismayed,
    the sun ashamed;
    for the Lord Almighty will reign
    on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
    and before its elders—with great glory.

  22. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    How are you with this virus going around? I’ve been away for a while, just enjoying my freedom and now in lockdown here in UK I’ve more time to explore things online.

    A little while ago I received a message on Facebook from an old friend and it had an article about some Bible scholars seriously thinking that the verses the apostle Paul wrote about women being quiet in the congregation was added by the Vatican to shut women up and put them down, so these verses that sound a bit sexist were not in the original texts. After all, it was the Vatican that invented the idea that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute when she clearly was not, just to discredit her as the Church was doing all it could to suppress women.

    What are your thoughts on this? Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised as the Vatican twisted a lot to fit its dogma; other religions do the same now, including WT!

    • jacqueline says:

      Nubby Tope Hello, As we discussed by email I thought it was you on the Memorial meeting but it was another Englishman.
      I have not published a comment that was pending for so long because I am female and it might have been construed wrongly as intent rather than truth. Here it is as sent to me.
      “From Eve to Elizabeth, Miriam to Mary, a host of extraordinary women populate the pages of Scripture. This course explores the roles of women and the presentation of gender in the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, asking questions from both Jewish and Christian perspectives. Topics include female prophets and judges, women within the early Jesus movement, and gender dynamics in Paul’s letters. The class presents favorable views on women and gender equality in Scripture and also tackles the minority of texts in the Pauline corpus that seem to prohibit female leadership. Join us as we explore the biblical narratives of women and offer interpretive approaches for understanding the questions that remain relevant for gender relations today.”

      I too have seen examinations of Paul’s writing on women by Bible scholars. It seem Paul had not a Jewish audience of women and men but a Gentile one. Gentile Women often it states would isolate themselves off from the room with the men and talk out loud about what was being discussed and openly disrupt with questions. Jewish women knew proper protocol so he wasn’t admonishing them at all. He was speaking to a disorderly society and trying to teach them about order in Christ. This is what many suggest and what I have always seen. It is important to know who the audience is and why Paul said it the way he did. Jesus didn’t follow that line of thinking at all. I can’t find anywhere where he demeans a woman. Even the Samaritan woman at the well.

      Jesus is our exemplar and during his life on earth and his appearance to women first after his resurrection proves to me as a follower of Christ that I have a ministry in Christ.
      We know more from him about the women traveling with him than some of his apostles. Women were prophets and had the Holy Spirit poured out on them along with the men.
      There is no gender in the body of Christ. God’s Spirit will move both women and men to do the will of God and to speak out when necessary.

      I am so glad you brought up this subject as you know I probably get a lot of heat because three women started this site. Tasha and I for her teenage daughter who insisted she wanted to talk on the “Ask Jacquelne” platform.

      But our brothers stepped up and in to write and compile programs and make this site work for the good and furtherance of the goal to help those spiritually abused get help and keep the faith in our Father Jehovah and his Beloved redeemer and SON, Jesus.

      I had removed “Askjacqueline” from the fojw site before Tasha’s daughter got to talk to me. I owned “Ask Jacqueline” however long before I met persons from the fojw site as just an advice columnist, so I always had a following.
      But when it went to fojw against my will, I never consented but rather objected to it being on that site, I had to respond because people immediately began to address me.

      Paul’s audience is who I consider and he said what he had to say. But I would like to see more of the thought on the Catholic Churches’ involvement.

      Would you please give us links for this info, please?

      As long as I see where Jehovah used women as prophets and so much in the Bible I won’t stop letting the Holy Spirit guide me as a member of the Church. Jesus allowed women to announce his resurrection, WHAT A JOY, AND PRIVILEDGE!
      On this site, we each have our jobs and pages and have little conflict because we respect each other no matter the gender. On the other site if I wrote an article the scriptures had to be supplied by a male and the photos had to be put up by a male. The witnesses do the same. Women often write the Awake and Watchtower articles but a brother would change a word or comma etc then it could be said he wrote it as he approved it. On the former site, I was on, I was said to be the author only when it was not in accord with their founder’s teachings.

      I will wait for more on this subject from you my friend. Take Care.

  23. jacqueline says:

    On a lighter note.
    Remember when you said if you had more time and didn’t have to go to work, all the things you would do and accomplish at home?

    Wellllll, now you got the time. Go for it! Many wives will force this. lol

    I will be posting some economic links as I get them.

  24. jacqueline says:

    Brothers,we want to thank Henry, Lee Anthony, and Br. Dave for calling and checking on all of us. What a blessing

  25. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Another great video from Brother Eric Wilson regarding how the Watchtower is exploiting the Corona Virus:

  26. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Is the Corona Virus a sign that we are “in the final part of the last days”. The Watchtower is capitalizing on this pandemic to scare people on the fence back into the organization.
    But is this the case? While admittedly there is no way to know for sure, my personal opinion is no! To me there is too much that don’t fit. This article helps explain some of my reasoning on this matter.

    Looking throughout history we have seen plaques much more deadly. While we must take this seriously, especially those of us who are in the target risk age range, we need to exercise a spirit of a sound mind. We take the precautions recommended by the higher authorities and of course have trust in our Lord so that we do not become over anxious or afraid.
    I do believe that Christ will return soon. Ezekiel’s prophecy of the Valley of Dry Bones is currently being fulfilled as Israel is being restored to it’s homeland. We do see the beginnings of pangs of distress. At this point though I personally take a wait and see attitude. Keep safe! This will pass!

    • jacqueline says:

      TedR, because I have lived through epidemics before and quarantines where red tape was put around houses one after the other and you couldn’t come pass it until every child in the house has been certified clear by health personnel coming inside of the house. You could not visit until they had the measles declared out of your communities. Food was put in your yard and your mom came out to get it. If there had been controlling over us then I guess they would have scared everybody. More people died from the measles than in this outbreak.
      Mumps epidemic, POLIO was the worst I lived through. My grandparents told us about the 1918 Spanish flu.
      So if the people listen to these scare tactics then they are probably people that need to be under this type of authoritative arrangement.

      The Horses to me started riding through the centuries and will with other events get worse. Earthquakes in one place after the other and the cities falling might indicate the Ring of Fire erupting.
      I tend to look at what is happening in Israel also. Has Israel put the temple together inside the place where they assembled it? We know they have been training persons on how to do the sacrifices.
      The TEMPLE MAKES THE GROUND HOLY not Some holy ground TO MAKE THE TEMPLE HOLY. Remember it traveled before Herod’s temple. So on that spot north of the Dome of the rock isn’t neccesary.
      If they are, will they find out and the president turns on them for doing so?

      Now I won’t argue about whether or not the Angel of the abyss has opened his door because of the horrible things people are doing. But like you, I see this as being a part of the time of the end times that to me began when the horses started riding. Like birth pangs they will get so bad at the end that a woman will tell you:
      NOBODY HAVE TO ASK WHEN THE REAL LABOR BEGINS! It starts and does not let up not one minute until the baby pushes out.

  27. jacqueline says:

    The legitimate responsible concern we must practice and listen to the leaders God has allowed to possess the know-how and honor to tackle this situation. The Nurses, Doctors, Fireman and other medical personnel are indeed a blessing!

    And we thank you profusely!

    BUT, Christian shouldn’t worry, concern yes.

    We have to remember that nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING goes without GOD’S knowledge and permission.

    Are you someone that isn’t talking to your mother or father? Your sister or brother? A best friend or neighbor who’s dog ate your flowers last year?

    Keep your distance but say I want to settle this now!

    I wish our nation would have a minister come up also and say we are also calling God!!! We are on the knee phone talking to him!
    The book of Esther is an excellent example of how God steps in.

    Haman cast lots, or rolled the dice in our day. God loaded the dice and it worked out his will for the nation of Israel that they not die out.
    God and Jesus are our Creators and if we cease to exist as humans He has to do it.

    Fear and Worry are different than Concern. There are many diversions for all of us stuck at home but here is one that will addict you and hook you. Fair warning.

  28. Lee Anthony says:

    As more and more countries go on lockdown we are on pace to join them soon. The last article posted by Jacqueline is one I hope everyone will take seriously, I know many who are carrying on day to day as if nothing is going on, for all of us who follow the words of Messiah to do unto others as you would have them do to you and to love your neighbor as yourself it would be wise to consider these words and apply them to this situation. I believe God has this under control and things will work to the good for those who love him and are called according to his purpose, if you are not able to go without yet are being forced to like so many are, (forced lay offs etc.) Faith and trust is all to important and there is no better time than now to get into Gods word and fellowship (phone or online). All are invited to our conference studies we share weekly on free conference Prayer, study and faith are all common in times of crisis for humanity even those who claim there is no God often cry out to the unknown when things are looking bad and like myself years ago will often get an answer.
    (Micah 7:8) Do not rejoice over me oh my enemy. Though I have fallen I will rise up; though I sit in darkness YHVH will be a light to me.

  29. jacqueline says:

    FYI. Coronavirus:
    Thank you Joy Lagno for this information

    This Coronavirus is a very real threat.
    (copied and shared)

    Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand…

    It has to do with RNA sequencing…. I.e. genetics.

    Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year… you get immunity two ways…through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

    Novel viruses, come from animals…. the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans… then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

    Now…. sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human… once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

    H1N1 was deadly….but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

    Fast forward.

    Now, here comes this Coronavirus… it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long…but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person… But here is the scary part…. in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

    This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity…doctors have no known medicines for it.

    And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

    That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza…. this one is slippery. And it’s a lung eater…And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L….which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

    We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

    Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed…(honestly…I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation…

    And let me end by saying….right now it’s hitting older folks harder… but this genome is so slippery…if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

  30. jacqueline says:

    Field service is suspended in a country. All meetings are streamed.No visits in person by elders.

  31. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Barbara Anderson:

    COVID-19 (coronavirus) What to do – Recommendations from an expert. Please read what he wrote to his colleagues:

    Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic

    Dear Colleagues,

    As some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

    The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April. Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves:

    1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

    2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches, elevator buttons, etc., Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

    3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip – do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

    4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

    5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

    6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home’s entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can’t immediately wash your hands.

    7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain an infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

    What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

    1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas. Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average – everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

    2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you – it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth – it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

    3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

    4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY “cold-like” symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available. I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

    I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

    James Robb, MD FCAP — Dr. Carly Howett Assistant Director of the Department of Space Studies Southwest Research Institute Suite 300, 1050 Walnut Street, Boulder, Colorado, 80301, USA. Office Direct Line: +1 720-240-0120

  32. jacqueline says:

    I have 2 experiences I would like to share.
    First I was doing some last-minute delivery of flyers by foot as a member of the Chamber of Commerce to the different Church congregations in my city because the date for the project was near.
    I enjoyed each encounter! One had people arriving at about 2 pm. I went up front to the older female and asked what was about to happen?
    She said Mid-week small Bible study and they have one more at 6 pm but she wasn’t over that and she told me I was welcome to attend.
    I felt so free and blessed to respond for them to enjoy their study of the word of God. Books? No, they go verse by verse and let the Holy Spirit help. Each church I visited I had similar warm experiences.
    I expressed my love at seeing so many coming out in this cold and said may God bless your study. They all would answer back with equal love expressions. Just the Bible, no books no mentioning of a man of men, they made their own decisions to take and distribute the flyers to family. (Free money for housing, had to get the word out that the program is Saturday I enjoyed walking right in among people studying the word of God. And to bring them something that helped them to maybe be able to buy that home they need.

    Next, I have been listening to vintage John Mac Arthur from 1973. It is funny that he is talking about what man says will happen like holding a whole small phone in our hand accessing knowledge like Daniel said and other things that were future to them but we take it for granted. He would flip out if he saw the Internet! But he has some great talking points.
    He makes the points for why Jesus will return to EARTH and Rule. There is no invisible Presence even hinted at in the Bible. They made it up to cover up the failed prophecy of the world ending.
    Jesus never did 1/2 the things He is supposed to do while on earth, it is future. But God does not lie Jesus has to come back and do it.
    Also, there is nothing to indicate this strange doctrine of “Special Anointed” 144,000 in Russell or Witness religion to go to heaven and rule over mankind from heaven.
    Clearly, the Bible says all eyes shall see him, no Invisible Presence. This is made up. Rev. 5:10 by men.
    On the internet or TV we will see him as China sees him and as the earth rotates we all will eventually see him coming in on the clouds of heaven.

  33. jacqueline says:

    I found this article rather fascinating on what it says about the Universe and the scriptures it presents.

  34. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    My thoughts and prayers are with you dear sister. The Society is in panic mode . This weeks Watchtower Study is once again attacking so-called apostates and warning the rank and file against finding out the truth about the truth by looking at websites, TV shows, or speaking with anything or anyone critical of their policies. Try not to let them discourage you, our Lord is on your side and will sustain you whatever happens. You are doing a great work in helping people come to a knowledge of the real truth found in Gods Word. We all love you dearly.

    • jacqueline says:

      Henry talked to the elder today and He will brief everyone on what he said. He called him about the restraining order. Which he said he forgot about. But if he violates it then the stalker is an elder and will violate it, then we have a serious problem because he has a morality mental problem.

    • jacqueline says:

      TedR, I had a client when I commented to you but I like to add that all trust is lost in the organization and its elders. This man might have been sincere but for me, nothing good will come out of any type of meeting with the elders. I needed to stop him before they made a mistake and thought because I am so happy now and jokes that my guard is down. The judge would not appreciate what she did for me if I allow them to violate the order especially if I am not in the religion now with this congregation for twenty years. If I wanted to go back down there we have to go to court and void the order or end it. Things were volatile on the grounds of the court as they waited outside for me and I had to be escorted by police to my vehicle and I pointed to Henry who had waited for 3 hours in the car for me, the policemen were so glad I had a friend outside.
      They ordered the brothers out of the building three times but they just moved to another floor or the steps then waited outside until armed policemen stepped outside on each side of me.
      She kept me inside not believing this elder and the others were defying her.
      She said they will get you for this even if it is 25 years from now so your order expires at your death.
      The CO is coming and I guess he was getting things to deal with together although I didn’t go there.
      I am okay now, thanks so much and some good things happened today, things are looking up. Take Care of yourself Ted, we all have a cross to bear but I think something is happening with all these firs and great loss of animal life.

      • jacqueline says:

        TedR, and everybody if you go to your page and it looks different or your picture is gone let me know. I came home yesterday and things were different all over the site. I will go through each page by the weekend and try to restore your correct photos etc.

  35. jacqueline says:

    I am a victim of stalking and sexual harassment. I can finally say the words out loud. None of you ever knew but maybe Henry or Jeff.
    It has hit me and overpowered me since seeing on my porch 1/13/2020 and talking to the Jehovah witness elder that signed the letter to the court stating the watchtower society sent my stalker to the congregation I fled to, give a public talk.
    My congregation at that time said I needed to get them a restraining order so they could stop this Miller congregation elder from ever coming on their property again.

    For some reason, this is all flooding over me.
    I am writing for a grant to help abused and battered women and I can hardly complete the email.
    His visit and talking of disfellowshiping to ruin my family’s contact with me has taken over my strength.

    I needed to put this in writing to release the stress and tightness in my chest.

  36. Rene says:


    Once again I am sorry but not surprised to hear that another Jehovah’s Witness elder has overstepped his boundaries with the law and violated the restraining order that you have been granted against the Watchtower Bible and Tract society. This particular individual was fully aware that he was committing a crime when he entered your property and breached the restraining order. I also know that this violation has occurred so many times prior and has placed you and your family in danger. I shudder to think of what could have happened and why the judge involved after reviewing the case initially granted you (a very difficult to obtain without significant justification) a lifetime restraining order. The judge feared that you would face further harassment and possible retaliation from members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses faith years after the fact (in response to you seeking legal protection) and it would appear that her (the judges) fears were entirely justified.

    As a Christian I am deeply ashamed that your safety and right to remain safe in your own home is disregarded to this stunning degree by men who claim to value the rule of law and as a matter of doctrine preach obedience to the superior authority.
    Romans 13:1-5 Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. 2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. 3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don’t want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well. 4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose. 5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.

    It would probably behoove the organization to as the scriptures suggest at Matthew 5:25 24leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. 25Reconcile quickly with your adversary, while you are still on the way to court. Otherwise he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.
    I was trying to think of any situations in the bible where restraining orders were used in scripture and wouldn’t you know it there is.

    Do you recall the case of Shimei in the bible? Shimei was a clansman of Saul who took it upon himself to shoulder Saul’s grudge against David out of some misguided loyalty to Saul’s house and a warped sense of pride and arrogance that even superseded Gods divine decree that placed David as King in place of Saul. During the rebellion of Absalom, King David was forced to flee and was confronted by Shimei who rather than respect Gods arrangement decided to punish David by throwing rocks and hurling offensive insults at David over his loyalty to a man whom God had found disfavor. He even placed curses on David which was against Gods law. David though spared his life, because David respected God enough to let God decide if the man’s actions were right. David once again spared Shimei when the coup attempt went south, and he was forced to beg David for forgiveness of his treachery. David as he was nearing death asked his son to avenge this insult and Solomon actually placed a restraining order against Shimei charging him to remain in Jerusalem and not cross the Kidron Valley. Now you would think that this narrow escape from death would foster some degree of humility in Shimei, but no.

    One day two servants of Shimei escaped and Shemei violated his restraining order essentially throwing the mercy shown him back in God and Solomon’s face and let his pride dictate his actions and the price was his life. Solomon had Shimei executed, and all because this man believed himself above the law of God and his King(s). Another important take away from this lesson is that this man had absolutely no appreciation for mercy, his life had been spared yet he was unwilling to let go of his servant’s and show them mercy. God will not show mercy to merciless individuals regardless of sinful human notions of entitlement.
    I am relieved that you have evidence of this breach of law and personal trust and I understand that you must follow the law yourself by finally taking action. This is not a little matter as the Elder and others who have engaged in this behavior seem to think, this is very serious and will (quite possibly) have serious legal implications for the society.

    I truly wonder what compelling reason this Elder had for attempting such an illegal act and exposing the entire organization to legal risk and public scrutiny this way? Only God knows but we can all rest assured that our God is a God of justice and righteousness. He (God) emphasized to his people a need to respect the rights even of the poor (Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches? — Isaiah 10:1-3).

    The moral compass of any society is based not on what it professes to be but the way in which the lowest members within the society are treated. We are all in my home praying for you, I know God’s spirit is with you and the good work you are doing. Much of what is happening to you is in connection to what you are doing, and I feel confident that the works of the devil (wherever they may be found) will continue to be undone in God’s due time. He looks upon all of his faithful servants with an answer to “he that taunts him”. Please keep up your tireless work as God is blessing you for the aid you have given the afflicted people who have been skinned and thrown about. God will require an accounting of all of us but only some of us appear to fear God in this respect.

    • jacqueline says:

      Rene, thank you so much for your support. I don’t really know who sent him or who he was talking to that prompted him to come to my house and don’t know what this disfellowship stuff is about from a religion I walked away from years ago, at least 20 from this congregation. I do not fellowship with them so how do you disfellowship someone that isn’t in your religion.
      This is strange but I will let the proper authorities deal with it not me. Morality is not a strong suit of the organization and they will defend the rights of offenders.
      I will just keep on helping others and myself with PTSD symptoms from suffering Spiritual Abuse at the hand of authoritative religion.

      Our approach on this site is unique because we push out the abusive teachings by going straight into the text and just starting over from scratch. The distressing thoughts of an unjust God and an unhealthy fear of what is coming on the earth can slowly be pushed aside and the body and brain can heal from the abusive teaching and treatment of a religious body. Focusing on Jesus gives HOPE.

      Luke 21:28 “Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads because your redemption is drawing near.” Christians rejoice that Christ is near.

      I am going to do what Jesus says and not think about what I was taught, Jehovah and Jesus are our friends no Christian should be scared of their judgments because they will be just, merciful to those who accept their authority and right to rule this earth.

      Organizations parading as religion has done so much harm. Listening to the voice of one man or a few as the only and final say as to what the Bible teaches has produced millions of Spiritually abused and emotionally displaced people.

  37. jacqueline says:

    I got a visit from the organization this morning.

    I have a restraining order against this congregation and have not set foot on their property since year 2000 when the judge and I agreed I would go to another congregation and the elders that signed the letter from the governing body of the watchtower plus the elder that I came to court against would have freedom to worship at the kingdom hall that is four minutes from my house. The elder that came is directly restrained on the order.

    The judge said the reason my restraining order didn’t have an expiration date is that she felt they would punish me eventually for bringing them to court and winning this order now I see she had incredible foresight! She predicted that they would wait before they acted. It has been twenty years and I was asked 4 times at least if I had been disfellowshipped by this man. I have the Ring Doorbell tapes visual and vocal recording.

    I felt as if I was being threatened with disfellowshipping so my family would not be able to talk to me. The whole conversation went along those lines.
    So the restraining order has been violated now at least six times now since it was issued by the organization and the judge predicted this. Hopefully, they haven’t completely become so arrogant that they will defy a judge’s orders. I will wait and see. I once had to use the restraining order with the Romeoville police dept where the assembly hall is and we agreed for me just to not visit this facility ever again and I haven’t in nearly twenty years.
    I did inform him that I would discuss the visit on our conference call Saturday night. The JEHOVAH WITNESS ORGANIZATION OR IT’S GOVERNING BODY DOES NOT HAVE ANY CONNECTION OR AUTHORITY OVER ME.

    This is a cease and desist statement to the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses, including its governing body and all elders affiliated with them and Circuit overseers.

    Do not set foot on my property again for any reason or park in my driveway to intimidate me as you have done three times in the past with Circuit overseers and others in the car with the dark tinted windows as you sent this same elder up to my door to intimidate me then. I know you read the site and will see this.

    I have no particular religious affiliation. I do not call anyone “brother” in any former religious affiliations, nor do I call myself their brother, just friends.
    I was informed if anyone is calling himself a brother they have to shun even family this elder said to me on Friday 1/10/2020. I told him I told my relatives this fact long ago when a fleshly brother elder of mine quoted this scripture.
    I have not bothered these people now for 20 years from the congregation territory I live in and 10 years from the congregation I walked out on.

    No one within the Witness religion should be even slightly concerned about me and I don’t regard a man from the witnesses as elders just men knocking on my door as they would a person of the public.
    I do not care if family and friends belong to any religion or organization that they choose. I do not attempt nor have I ever attempted to pull them away from their religion, this is the United States of America and they have freedom of religion. I even help them. I too have this freedom.

    I also still have a restraining order against any emotional or physical harm being done to me. The restraining order does not have an expiration date and is operative in 50 states. It was issued against the individual elder and against the Religion itself and all of its representatives because the religion inserted itself into a civil matter between me and an elder stalking me for as he said to the judge to have sex. His wife was standing right there but this was known as a problem of confession for some time it seemed by the Circuit overseer as well as elders in at least 2 congregations but no one ever thought to inform me or my husband. I know, I have heard that allegedly some are clamoring for me to be disfellowshipped but they ignore the fact that I have not fellowshipped with their particular congregation of Jehovah witness nor set foot on their property for 20 years. Nor with the entire organization in 10 years. I have not disobeyed the restraining order. Can they say the same?

    This being said, I will not allow persecution of me by family or friends because of how I have chosen to go to God, straight through Jesus using the Bible, which I consider the VOICE of God to mankind. I accept the Holy Spirit from God in my life. I follow Jesus and don’t accept any organization of men in His place or instead of. Jesus warned and explained what to do, no fight just leave the persecutors alone and live your life.

    Jesus said at Matt.10:22-
    22“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
    23“But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.
    24“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25“It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household!
    26“Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed or hidden that will not be known. 27“What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. 28“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29“Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. 30“But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31“So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.
    32“Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
    34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

  38. jacqueline says:

    A link to James Penton’s interview is in the Black header section of the site.
    Also, it is down below with the other videos.

    He gives a true history of the organization and Charles Russell, not the made-up history floating around.
    He is an unbiased historian and has nothing to gain from telling the truth. Enjoy

  39. jacqueline says:

    Guys what a great Youtube Page if you like exploring. Enjoy and perk up!

  40. Lee Anthony says:

    I noticed you have picture beside comments, is there a way that I can have a personalized picture beside mine also? Just curious though I Do like space invaders

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee Anthony, it is called a gravatar. I uploaded it (my photo) to and it walks you through the process. Then it gives you choices of where you want it to show. I said wordpress and anywhere I post. Maybe there is a gravatar wordpress. I will go look it up.

      The program is generating a generic gravatar for everyone now instead of a blank white space. But let me check to see if this wordpress has a link. Be right back

  41. jacqueline says:

    You know, I was just thinking of the “Lord Prayer”. We ask God’s will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. For earth and heaven to be alike.
    Then in Rev. 20 and 21 chapters we actually see the saints ruling with Jesus on Earth (Rev. 5:10) never going into heaven but meeting him in the air and then they come down with him in glorified bodies. He had a body that went thru walls after resurrection and it ate food. So we know how glorified bodies can be if ruling on Earth.
    Chapter 21, we see New Jerusalem coming down to Earth. The house where the Bride lives is shown and Jehovah comes to Earth to reside with us and be our God here on Earth.
    What do, where does the Bible or God or Jesus say we will live in Heaven? What will ones do in Heaven when after the thousand years and the Great White Throne judgment God and everybody is on the earth!
    I could never do or understand that consecration thing spoken of by the Bible Students that gives you a crown in Heaven.
    Jesus and the resurrected and changed saints are in crowns on earth.
    Can anyone explain where heaven is our final destiny?

    PS: I don’t see the Bride as being the entire Church and the bride will be wherever Christ is. So I am not speaking of them.?

  42. jacqueline says:

    I wanted to share something that I thought was strange at the time but couldn’t put my finger on it. Sometimes it helps to look back and define what made you go hmmmm.

    One of my employees was a regular pioneer and was learning to speak Chinese and Mandarin. She wanted to go to China, a communist country and I wondered how she would go undercover, looking like me?
    To me, it was a jail sentence for sure in a Chinese prison. She would stand out and jeopardize all of the other groups. It didn’t make sense and I voiced my opinion. Well, it never happened. It appears this pioneer serving where the need is great brother in China was gathering a harem. The brother that was serving in China with his family confessed to gross immorality in China and his wife divorced him.

    I also couldn’t understand why they slipped into the Notre Dame College campus and dormitories to preach. It was criminal to me to walk in like you were a student with real students then knock on the dorm doors.
    Now I realize they were targeting young people because they were vulnerable!
    This is a sign of a cult! Minds that are searching and they are away from parents for perhaps the first time.

    Quite a few of the young sisters were allegedly practicing homosexuals according to the elders and observers at my work establishment. So I questioned even more what were they doing. This behavior was prevalent in our area at that time and some elders tried to deal with it but go to another congregation and the elders would accept it.

    The reason I am mentioning this is that from gossiping to open immoral conduct, pioneers seemed to be at the forefront.

    I am looking at a Ted talk right now about a young lady leaving a cult very similar to everything we practiced and child sexual abuse was at the forefront.
    The religion was started by one man as Russell started this one. That seems to be a Hallmark of these religions.

  43. jacqueline says:

    I found this interesting video on clues in the Bible that tells us where Jesus will appear.

    This one is concerning what might be meant by knowing that day or hour.

  44. Lee Anthony says:

    I personally started with history and study from perspective of where our beginings as “christians” is from. I think by understanding our genesis or beginning only then can we understand the many doctrines and viewpoints and wether or not they actually have a basis in scripture. If we know nothing of the Hebrew perspective and nothing about the Old testament then understanding the new is not going to be fully possible. Shortsighted is how I would put it, we miss a lot of important contextual information if we know nothing of the heritage of our Messiah and of Gods people. History. Geography.

  45. jacqueline says:

    I have been asked where to start with sincere Bible study?
    I can only say what has worked for me and show the path I took which might not be the best way but I did the best I could.

    To my friend and one that I love more than any other relative on the earth (except my children). I suggest Revelation and the book of Genesis are the first two books to go thru verse by verse.
    Here are two sessions I used, first the Torah or Jewish Christian version here:Genesis study
    or just press on this,

    I did Genesis then I went to Revelation as the two books explain each other.
    Revelation Torah class or just click here:
    This is the Hebrew view giving you the flavor of the original language. I am not saying one has to agree with everything said here but it will get you started. Now I went straight to Rev. 20 and 21 discussions first. It helped me.

    Now let’s go to “learn the Bible in 24 hours”: You can do the same thing or just go through the entire Bible. I found studying Revelation and Genesis was the best way for me here also. or just click here:

    Now I have also studied the four gospels for 2 years before going into the study this way. I didn’t know how to proceed when I first left the witnesses because I took a detour to learn about how this all started, into the Bible Student movement.
    This detour proved to me by God’s permission that the teachings of Russell that still permeates into the Witness religion is the root cause of the disturbing teachings.

    My aim is not to take anyone away from the Witness religion but to share that there is a way to learn about the Bible while the Witness organization goes through its strictly corporate dealings right now. Not teaching the Bible at all. It has been alledged by some that the selling off of the kingdom halls is because people are leaving in droves and that the infiltration by the government is working to lessen the effect such an extreme religion has on the minds of people. Causing them to commit suicide or allow children to die because of positions on health matters. Viewing transplants as cannibalism and blood transfusion that isn’t mentioned in the Bible just as the rapture isn’t mentioned to be a salvation issue.

    I am just sharing the path and thinking I have taken to get to know about the marvelous thing that Jesus did for us. We were never told about Jesus as a Witness it was assuming the Jewish People’s identity that made the Witnesses focus only on Jehovah. Witnesses think they are the Jews now; that God lied to Abraham, or changed His mind as imperfect humans do. This is called Antisemitism. Yahweh can’t lie he does not change. We Christians are Witnesses of JESUS CHRIST not Jehovah.

    I hope I have given you what I humbly think will help you to refocus your mind on the Bible and rest from all the confusion in the witness organization.

  46. jacqueline says:

    To Marcus, what you are talking about today on Youtube is what I have been saying all along that one wonders who to blame for this indoctrination of people that no matter if they continuously predict the end of the world and the prediction does not come true, their empire still stands.

    Could it be you have to do as I did go all the way back to the source, the start of the religion? Russell.
    In the middle of the inception, however, we can identify one major influencer. The door to door ministry is a targeted form of recruitment.

    The persons are isolated off in their homes when they let witnesses in, they are told right off the bat that your family and friends won’t like you talking to us. They become an enemy, like an abusing spouse will first alienate that person’s family and close friends.
    We were told to look for certain signs such as a toy indicating children that surely the householder wouldn’t want to die in our version of armageddon that we are going
    to teach them.
    Is there a man in the house? Has there been a death recently? Lots of little things that will make them vulnerable and easy prey to witnesses that are “SELLING PARADISE”.
    Just follow the organization and we will promise you and only witnesses “LIFE”.

    The governing body also bought into this. Raymond Franz told them they needed to start from scratch and read the Bible anew because the doctrines of Charles Taze RUSSELL were messed up! He was selling exclusiveness in a time when evangelizing was at its height after the house jailing of the pope.

    He had some new and radical and people bought into it and generations passed it on.
    One crucial thing he did was allegorize the book of Revelation and make as Russell and the present-day witnesses did be all about his small group.

    They added their interpretation to Revelation and created a climate of fear, death at armageddon and each generation passed it on as one failed end of the world date came and went.
    They were able to do this because they brought in through the targeted door witnessing the kind of people that will let you in their house and separate you from your family.
    People with some mental, emotional and economic problems that they sold them “Paradise” so they stay, just in case they are right.

    These people are so dependant on this organization that it is their only hope as many never prepared for old age or sickness or death even.
    So they stay, Marcus, they stay.

    One solution we are trying to employ is to go directly to the BIBLE, go directly to Jehovah God through JESUS.

    Bypass the organization, all of the books written by these men and magazines.

    Empty themselves, go bare and raw on uour knees to GOD.
    Retaliation isn’t the key, finding a way to fix the organization isn’t the key.

    Forgetting them and all they ever taught you,m throw that baby out with the bathwater!

    Run some clean new water, and trust Him, trust Jesus also!

    IT IS WORTH A TRY! I feel your pain from spending your life there in Bethel.
    It was while visiting Bethel many times and their annual meetings that I saw the profound unrighteousness of this organization.

    I saw drinking on a scale where an alcoholic told me, they drank him under the table and that had never been done before, he could outdrink everyone but a Bethelite.

    I had to go to the source to see why black people were treated so bad, so I went directly to the writings of Russell and found it was an inception policy to treat blacks as slaves.

    The source will explain how this has happened and why people continue in an alleged 30 billion dollar religion, yet they live in abject poverty some of them. How the pope would blush if he saw their lofty living in Warwick, yet they are selling off kingdom halls and not giving the money back to the congregations where it originated.

    This was just too much to write under your youtube post.

  47. jacqueline says:

    Friends and Brothers I just put a NEW Custom Link near the end of the black section under the site picture that says:
    “Out of Print Books-Everything!”

    This site literally has every out of print book. Put “Watchtower in” and they bring up everything ever printed.
    Also any book you can think of. Enjoy!

  48. jacqueline says:

    Thought for today: “Toxic Positivity”

    Isn’t optimism supposed to, you know, help people look on the bright side? Turns out, not necessarily. Responding to negative emotions with glass-half-full thinking is known as toxic positivity (or dismissive positivity).

    I was told persons stopped attending a book study class being held. They said when they talked about how they were treated and was being shunned, they were told to get over that. We are your spiritual family now! You are a great person and will be of the Bride of Christ.

    The person felt awful! When someone immediately responds to less-than-pleasant comments with platitudes like “You should get over it!” it can make you feel like your emotions aren’t valid, or that by not moving on immediately, there’s something wrong with you.

    This in itself is another form of Spiritual Abuse. And it is normal to fall back into allowing this type of behavior to be perpetuated on you once again. Don’t!

    Do as these persons did and stop meeting in such book studies, get away from a toxic situation. Love yourself, it’s okay.

    Another situation where your mate isn’t fitting into the form your new religion has made and there is an effort to separate you from your family.
    Another is you attend a convention for a day, your relatives are coming to visit you the next day, it’s a holiday.
    You are told, we are your spiritual family, tell your family you will be with them after your convention is over the second day.

    Sounds conflicting? Yes, because it is. It is still Spiritual abuse! We often look for a religion that is pretty close to what we know already, sometimes that can be a big mistake or not.

    Using religion to separate you from your family. Sometimes it is difficult to recognize you are allowing abuse again. Not realizing worship is your relationship with God and Jesus not a religion or group of religious people.
    What a fine Christian example you are by being with family as a good influence. Satan tried to separate the first family and it seems Adam was right there and failed to speak up and say no!

    One other thing: It’s possible to apply toxic positivity to yourself—in fact, there’s a good chance you’ve been guilty of it at some point or another. If you’ve ever internally chastised yourself for how you’re feeling (what you might call wallowing or overreacting), you might not be listening to what those underlying emotions are telling you. Maybe you really do need to mourn that break up or have a difficult conversation with your family or your religion. That’s not to say you need to banish positive thinking entirely, though; it’s more about recognizing the value of a full emotional spectrum.

    Don’t let anyone Bully you with expressions like you need to get over that! It is okay to love and protect yourself.

    Have a Blessed day!

  49. jacqueline says:

    Thought for today:

    We want to still be standing when the battle is over in our lives.
    Like an old battleship, we want with God’s grace to sail again!
    Testimony meeting last night was what we needed; we had witness borne that we had

    God’s Holy Spirit with us, as an understanding of so many scriptures, became clear.

    Lee Anthony, I am going to look at 2 Esdras chap 7 vs.26-45 and vs.74-100.
    today and comment hadn’t forgotten. (

  50. Lee Anthony says:

    Ive been checking out some stuff in my Apocrypha bible. If you get a chance check out 2 Esdras chap 7 vs.26-45 and vs.74-100.
    I see where the early church got some of these ideas, thisis a lityle bit interesting. Wording is unique for sure.

    • jacqueline says:

      Okay , you know I will check it out and comment. Got family all weekend thru holiday. Doing Beach.
      Enjoy your Monday with friends, it should be nice either way. I will comment on Sabbath after more get a chance to see it.
      I personally feel Jehovah gave it for mankind and He feels strongly about it. He said rest! He likes when we just think about him only one day and enjoy family and His creation.
      We are to be holy as possible always but dealings with Israel shows how he felt about that special Sabbath covenant and enforced it by punishment.
      I grew up when stores never opened on Sunday and no one worked or cut grass. It was nice and family fun day.
      Our world doesn’t even allow for Jewish day as we have evening shifts etc. But as a Christian I too am revisiting the Bible in every word I was taught and most of It was wrong from the first books to the myriads following. I have dumped all of them.

      • Kevin says:

        hi Jacqueline i left the Jehovah’s witnesses this is last call for them i am getting my life straight now. i will go to heaven with out the governing body ruling my life. bible student i will be. i least i have a voice and i am of use. i will make it as the last member of 144000. the lost of watch tower for the position is to bad for them. but good for me. and others.

        • jacqueline says:

          Kevin, hello I haven’t heard from you in a long time. I am so glad you found your way. Being a student of the Bible is the best way.
          Right now Israel is God’s and Jesus’ timeline on events. So it seems it won’t be long until all goes dark and we actually see Jesus coming on the clouds with great light and the heavenly host.
          Since Jesus and the Bible only mention the KINGDOM and never an organization or a governing body, you can be safe in getting away from them.
          We meet on Thursday at 7pm CST and use only the Bible plus some of the Greek and Hebrew word dictionaries. You are welcome to join if you’d like.
          Take Care.

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee Anthony, I finally got the chance to view 2Edras 7:26-45, 74-100. I can see if the Churches read this and took it as gospel they would formulate doctrines.

      My take is the language is so different from Ezra’s style of speech.

      I can now see why the Catholic Church would keep this and some of the other Apocrypha in their Bible. You would certainly want to pay your loved one out of this mess mentioned in these verses!

      Indulgences: A release from all or part of the punishment for sin by the Catholic Church, reducing time in purgatory after death. … Because the catholic church was starting to lose business. How did the Catholic Church defend the selling of indulgences? They said that you won’t go to heaven.

      This passage doesn’t sound like God, Jehovah. It isn’t consistent with the whole text of the Bible. The Jews were never afraid of death as they knew about and looked forward to getting out of the grave, it was a waiting place for them.

      Job is one of the oldest books of the Bible and God is talking to him, yet he never had this view of Sheol.
      Job 14:13, English Standard Version “Oh, that you would hide me in Sheol, that you would conceal me until your wrath is past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!”

      Elijah, Jonah, and Moses all at some point felt death was a relief because this idea of a tormented place of fire came about later. They weren’t concerned about whether they were right with God or not because Sheol was a waiting place for a return.
      I know this passage seems to be talking about after all the judgments but it doesn’t fit in.

      I personally have faith and trust that He is powerful enough to have the letters written by the Apostles preserved as we see from the dead sea scrolls. I have faith in the Canon but also because the book of Enoch is mentioned and used in Bible times I consider it for literary value and detail. Some of the Apocryphal such as Maccabees has great historical value too.

      Thanks for these verses, it helps me to understand now, some of the doctrines of the Universal Church (Catholic) and the protestant offshoots. No wonder they paid the indulgences.

      Reminds me of Armageddons use by the witnesses, they scare friends to death. Many scriptures they use are talking about judgments that actually happened to the Jews and not referring to Armageddon at all.

      It is so great to be able to read and discuss other matters of faith.

  51. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Sr Jacqueline
    I knew they had many corporations across the world. I had never seen a local congregation however being incorporated. The board of directors are local brothers. The corporation is in the name of the local Kingdom Hall. I cant say the name because it would pinpoint my location. I just found it very interesting

    • jacqueline says:

      Yes, in my area about 2 kingdom halls were incorporated and one brother had his name down as incorporated for watchtower. Congregations became autonomous I think in the 1970 or 1980.
      This has been the practice to incorporate since early lawsuits.
      Russell had corporations, to protect assets during his divorce and the practice has continued.
      Barbara made me aware of this by showing me the lists while I was in her home.
      She was given Mrs Russell’s private boxes of papers by her cousin that provided lodging for Mr Russell.

  52. jacqueline says:

    In answer to TedR
    There was an interesting announcement last night at the Kingdom Hall. There is going to be a meeting of the Board of Directors for the corporation of the local Congregation. This is the first time in 50 years I have ever heard of local congregations being incorporated. Could this be another way for the Society to try to distance itself from the lawsuits being filed, trying to shift responsibility to the local congregations? Have you ever heard of this?

    Yes, I have heard of this. Barbara Anderson has a list of most of their corporations and they hide money in these corporations.
    So you can’t sue them all unless you can find them all. Spread your money all over the globe in corporations to avoid being sued and lose all your money.
    So this is what it is about.

    Russell started the practice of having different corporations in different brothers name. His wife could only access money in his name.

    This practice has continued til now. Click on the Barbara Anderson website in the black tab and she has many of them listed.

    I don’t know where I saw it but at one of the last lawsuits in California they found corporations that added up to 30 billion dollars for the net worth of the watchtower society.

  53. Chris Johns says:

    Nubby tope,
    It may interest you that most of those Neanderthals are not what we think they are. They are not prehumans. According to science our brows never stop growing. So those who lived closer to Adam lived longer and that’s why their brows look different. The evolutionist wants you to think that they are some form of a pre-human ancestor. They aren’t. Also, on YouTube there’s a video by a man who used to work on their bones and said the reason why they look they way they did was because they had rickets disease and arthritis. He even says some of them are Hoaxed. The evolutionists want us to believe that we are evolved. Also God did not bring us about through evolution. It’s as he created Adam and Eve. YouTube the video “100 reasons why evolution is so stupid by Kent Hovind” God did not bring us about through evolution. He created Adam and eve. YouTube the video “100 reasons why evolution is so stupid by Kent Hovind”. He’s funny and knows his science. Don’t fall into that trap of Theistic Evolution.

    As for Mormons they are not from the miller movement. The Mormons believe that we preexisted before earth that god and one of his wives birthed spirit children that’s us. They believe that we come to the earth to be tested. They also believe Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection. I’m very well verse in Mormonism. They have this book called the book of Abraham that’s contained with in their holy Scriptures that teaches that we were with God before we came to the earth. He got this off of a scroll that was found inside of a mummy that he said was the writing of Abraham. However right after he translated it Egyptian was able to be deciphered and Egyptologists say that the papyrus that he translated says nothing about anything about Abraham and that it was a funeral papyrus of pagan Egypt. But the Mormon still excepted today and you can find in their holy Scriptures.
    Also, I’ve never met a Bible Student the only believe that we will make up the 144,000.

  54. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    Its been a while since I commented on here but I’ve been adjusting to life after JW. Not been easy but so much better now. How are you?

    I have 2 questions to ask: In the Resurrection, will it be on Earth as we were told or Heaven? I spoke with some Mormons today and told them emphatically that I do not want anything to do with organised religion anymore. They mentioned that there is a third heaven and I know the Bible said Paradise id 3rd Heaven. The Mormons version of this is a bottom level for baddies, 2nd level for goodies who aren’t baptized Mormons and top level for baptized Mormons. Typical!! Each religion gets the best deal! Yeah, right! I was told that my dead parents and brother are on 2nd level as they were good people but not baptized (into LDS) Mormon interpretation to one side, would it be logical to assume my family are on 2nd level if this “third heaven” idea is literal?

    Second question: Neanderthals were real; are they covered by Jesus’ Ransom and will they be resurrected?

    I hope you’re well and I’m curious to know your thoughts.

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi Nubby Tope, Henry was just asking about you the other day! I am doing okay now. All the post-stroke stuff is in full swing since I am at the 6 month anniversary.
      Let’s break your question down with scripture, some other brothers say they are composing answers also.

      Scripturally we do see other hybrids, so there should be fossil records and men calls it what they want but this is what God says.
      Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
      2Sa 21:16 And Ishbi-benob, one of the descendants of the giants, whose spear weighed three hundred shekels[fn] of bronze, and who was armed with a new sword, thought to kill David.
      2Sa 21:18 After this there was again war with the Philistines at Gob. Then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was one of the descendants of the giants.
      2Sa 21:20 And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number, and he also was descended from the giants.
      2Sa 21:22 These four were descended from the giants in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.
      1Ch 20:4 And after this there arose war with the Philistines at Gezer. Then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Sippai, who was one of the descendants of the giants, and the Philistines were subdued.
      1Ch 20:6 And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number, and he also was descended from the giants.
      1Ch 20:8 These were descended from the giants in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.

      Genesis 3:15 first indicated a redeemer.

      And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[fn] and hers; he will crush[fn] your head, and you will strike his heel.”
      Gen 3:21 shows blood had to be spilled to cover them not fig leaves or vegetables as Cain did.
      “The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.”
      1Tim 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

      I understand 1 Timothy to be talking about the incident in the Garden of Eden with Adam and his progeny.
      The Nephilim are the progeny of the Fallen angels. The Bible says nothing about redeeming their children as I know of. Gen. 6:4

      Part 2:
      The Mormons and other religions from the Millerite movement all say they have the top spot in Heaven. But they would have to provide scriptures for such a belief that you have to be consecrated in their religion or baptized in it to be in a top tier of heaven.

      I have come to believe that Jesus will rule from the earth on the throne of David and the Church will with him. I also think that the 144,000 and the Church are different.
      Rev 5:10 “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”

      Mat 19:28 So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
      The Old Testament certainly prophesied that Jesus would rule on David’s throne. There is no question about that (Psalms 132:11, Psalm 89:3-4, 2Samuel 7:12-13, Isaiah 9:6-7, cf Luke 1:31-32).

      I have given my two cents worth, so hopefully, other brothers will weigh in here.
      So nice to hear from you again. And Yes, I should have taken a break from Russell’s teachings also but there was some benefit from meeting new marvelous people.
      Perhaps that is the way God wanted me to do it and go back to the beginning of the religion.

      Take care of yourself Nubby.
      BTW: Nubby take a look at the It is like E-Sword.

  55. Rene says:

    Hello Jacqueline,

    Thank you so much for your post as it was very timely for me. For some reason I have been thinking about things a lot more deeply lately, some good things and some bad as I reflect on my life. I think about the time that I spent as a Witness and where the Organization has been and where many fear it is going. One of the things that I am confident in is that we are all in God’s love and when we face difficulty it is not beyond his ability to deliver us. Those of us that have become displaced, disheartened and disillusioned are not forgotten by God. Satan will use the fear and anxiety that these situations cause in order to cause us to fear what the world fears, but this is not what we should fear as God’s children.

    Many of us on this site never thought that we would ever be spiritually homeless, and when I first stopped associating with Jehovah’s Witnesses, I felt that feeling of fear and trepidation, but it was replaced with warm reassurance from God and Jesus Christ. The hairs on our heads are numbered and where we go, God is always aware. Our battles are never fought alone, and when the storms rage in our lives it is by Gods power that we are sustained and delivered. I put too much emphasis sometimes on my own power, I keep things stable, I have to figure a way out, I have to stay strong. When I really deconstruct this way of thinking, I am missing the bigger picture that it is a joint effort and that my power is not very much on its own. David when confronting Goliath had past experiences with Jehovah in that he had stood up against dangerous predators and God guided his blows and directed David’s strength in a way that David knew he did not accomplish single handedly.

    We must have that kind of confidence that God has and will continue to fight for us, and we have to have humility in recognizing that we have not made it this far because of our own strength.

    I recently in school learned a technique called mindfulness which really isn’t complicated at all. It is the process of focusing on one thing and being aware of it, and allowing ourselves to appreciate the moment we are in. We so rarely see life and each day as a miracle, life has become so ordinary we lose our ability to recognize it as extraordinary. A life filled with God’s abundant love is the only and most important lottery I have ever won, even now as I am typing I am thankful that I had parents who loved God and taught me the value and wonder of having a relationship with God. I have had the honor of meeting all of you on this site and learning from your wisdom and coming to truly love all of you. I have also had the privilege of being able to learn so much about how wonderfully we are made in College and to give glory to God in all things by sharing what I learn when I can.

    We are entering truly dark and troubled times. We don’t yet know if this is just the turbulence of our generation, or if we have as many of us strongly suspect is the time of the end. Things are becoming unusually difficult and even people that I know that have always been stable are experiencing unprecedented instability both financial and spiritual.

    The storms of this system will continue and are reaching a fever pitch, the way that we are used to living and thinking and behaving may change in our lives by necessity. Our old comforts and predictable stability in life may change and we must be willing to adjust to these changes without fearing that God is not answering our prayers in the wake of things changing in ways that we may not like. I would encourage everyone who has not had problems lately to prepare in favorable and unfavorable seasons for difficulty. Do not think of it as unique and do not be discouraged to the point of breakdown when you find yourself in difficulty.

    At some point if we are not already there, Jesus will be granted the right to open the scrolls and Peace will be taken away from the Earth. Pray Pray and then Pray some more that we receive God’s Peace, the peace that Jesus promised us when we rely completely on the father, his promises, his faithfulness and abundant mercy and kindness and embrace our own limitations in this sinful state. As we continue to learn what it means to love (as some of us may not have been loved) and to practice a better kind of Christianity, let it be free of hypocrisy, absent of love of dishonest gain, fostering cooperation instead of competition, no one lording over another, and embracing a true desire to see God’s name brought to glory we will truly come to be lights to the world and to each other. Most importantly we become what we were all meant to be when we were formed in our mother’s, “a unique expression of the Character of Almighty God”.

  56. Rene says:

    Br. Ted,

    Sadly I am no stranger to the gross liberties some with authority inside of the Jehovah\’s Witnesses can take with other members. My family and I have been stalked by other members, and have had personal information given to individuals without our permission solely for the purpose of harm. Phone numbers and addresses were freely handed out to one of our stalkers despite us asking to keep our information confidential. There are rarely if ever any repercussion for this behavior and no acknowledgment of the unnecessary harm that it causes. I have seen a lot of bad done in the name of protecting the reputation of God as if he needed any human to do that and to elevate sin in the process as some means to an end is even more egregious.

    We will all be accountable for what we do in the end, and no amount of self deluding about that fact will shield us from judgment. I wish more individuals were motivated by spiritual maturity and did not cause harm to others over what amounts to ideological differences. There are some things that are immutable fact scripturally and there are somethings that have not been expressly stated in a way that all of us can easily reach a consensus on. We know that after the death of the last apostle that an apostasy would and did in fact come. What we don\’t know is which lie has been repeated so long it can\’t be distinguished from the truth. What is even more troubling is the fact that some people may be lashing out and harming others over a doctrinal issue that is not even sufficiently supported by scripture. I really do wish that people who did these things actually stopped to think about how this makes Christians look in general, and why some may find it so easy to abandon their faith in the time of the end. Attacking each other like this brings reproach on God and none of us should imagine he will congratulate us for doing so. I am glad though that this happened now and that you were able to prepare for it next time.

  57. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Sr Rene and Jacqueline
    While I don’t want to point fingers since we don’t know for sure who hacked the site, I know for a fact that the Society does hack sites and individuals accounts. A brother that I know had his phone hacked by certain elders in my congregation trying to “investigate ” him. This was verified by the FBI in Columbus. So while I cannot put a blame on anyone, quite frankly I don’t put it past them. It is part of their Theocratic warfare!

    • jacqueline says:

      Ted and Rene, the witnesses in Russia had to have a foot dropped on their necks to make them stop the shunning practice. Russian ex Jehovah Witnesses reported directly to the authorities of the destruction of their families with shunning. Satan knows he can take attention away from God’s true Timepiece, The Real Nation of Israel. So because the Russia brothers were extra harsh on their shunning so much so that the government had to step in.
      This plays into Satan’s hand of the witnesses being the Jews to keep focus off what is happening in the Middle East today.
      The brave internet brothers turning the screws and others going into the Bible have helped the free world of ex witnesses survive a little better.
      Even some elders that say nothing but just left let’s me know I did the right thing.
      It would be nice if the tyranny of the Watchtower Society and its governing body was just a matter of forgiving them. But it isn’t, if each one don’t expose their tyranny they will get worse. They don’t present as a fellow Christian worshipers.
      They come after people to destroy the child that has been raped, deal harshly with anyone helping, even to the point of trumping up charges to disfellowship.
      They are more like the Sanhedrin in that they called for the death of Christ, hunted down and killed Christians. We are leaving their system too and following Christ and like the Sanhedrin they attempt to destroy us. So we expose them to get relief.

      I will listen still to help, let them tell their story in detail, cry with them pray with them until they stand up straight and carry on in worship to Jehovah God only and His Son Christ.

      We are blessed to have 3-5 parts to this site.
      The Scriptural segments, the Testimony meeting, the Articles, and this powerful blog so friends can talk and,tell their journey and get a cool cup of water on the way with food.
      They might need a lot of care and are welcome to stay. Some w I’ll start their own small group or house Church while others may act like horses and take off running.

      One important segment is they can speak Audibly with me or Rene in private sessions.
      Some of the men have a particularly hard time speaking of their abuse by men within the religion.
      Above all tho, we want to glorify God by helping them as God is helping and supporting us.

      PS: They mean not bring reproach on their organization as no one brings reproach on the Almighty God, He is above reproach.
      I have never heard a person who saw a witness doing bad equate it with GOD having anything to do with it, NEVER. Most don’t think of witnesses as Christians because of making Christ just an angel ( powerful Micheal, one of the arch angels) and putting up a man or men in place of him to get to God.
      They will say a witness supposed to be so holy but that is as far as they go.

  58. Rene says:


    I am sorry about the site being hacked. I wish that I could say that this was probably an isolated incident, but our world is changing and so are the people in it. People are being influenced today by thoughts and inclinations that rob them of their ability to think and behave rationally. It is times like these though that we need to be especially aware of these influences and maintain our own self control. I appreciated the fact that you did not label the society or Jehovah’s Witnesses as the culprit, as we are not sure who did it. Satan enjoys pitting brothers and sisters against one another and one of his most potent tools is insinuation and misinformation. When people stop by this site and see what others have to say, it can feel like the core of their being is being attacked. We all can remember a time when we were hurt to our heart when someone didn’t share our opinions about our faith or even attacked it. While we may have felt offended and hurt, most of us here did not opt to retaliate as the hacker evidently decided to do. This reminds me of the situation where Jesus was taken before the high priest and during his interrogation he answered a question by asking that his accusers question the people and seek out the truth of the matter. The response was that the temple guard slapped Jesus. John 18:23 (CEB) Jesus replied, “If I speak wrongly, testify about what was wrong. But if I speak correctly, why do you strike me?” The guard might have thought that he had grounds to slap Jesus because he was perceived as being disrespectful to the High Priest which was against Jewish Law (Acts 23:5) Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.'”What was in reality occurring between Jesus and the temple guard was an example of a righteous excuse to display unrighteous anger. As a Witness I had not realized how much of the culture of Jehovah’s Witnesses had shaped my thinking and my actions. I had to realize later that I had learned to be self righteous and had to be more careful about how upset I get about things and if the anger is justified or if I am being self righteous. It is a hard habit to kick, but it is necessary if you are ever to perceive things in any way close to the way our creator does.
    Our online community has been a blessing to me and to many others. I hope that people continue to maintain proper decorum on the site and work out differences the way in which we have all agreed to do. A we lean more on the internet and social media, we have to keep in mind that this is all an untested experiment. We don’t have any type of historical reference to guide us in using this new technology. As a result, we are all learning together and taking the good with the bad.

    The anonymity that the internet provides gives considerable cover for people who are saying and doing things that they would not say or do if the person(s) they were attacking were standing right in front of them. It reminds me of how Satan spoke through a snake so that his part in the plot was concealed. We all really need to be cautious of how we use our freedom of speech especially during these times. Thank you Jacqueline for all of your hard work and in helping others to reach for higher levels of Christian maturity. If we are indeed in the end times, then we will not be arguing about doctrine differences in Christianity we will be strictly divided by those who believe and those who do not. I hope that everyone will look at the bigger picture of what is truly important, the vindication of Jesus as the Messiah and the glorification of the one true God. While we are busy destroying each other to defend the reputations of men, who is defending the reputation of God and our Redeemer? I pray that God reaffirms the truth, and that he continues to give us his spirit of Grace so that we can live in truth and encourage one another to do the same.

    • jacqueline says:

      Rene, I so agree. If fact we a are all of one body. I have heard it say they are going back to Christendom, when many leave the doctrines from our youth.
      I admit there is a difference but not enough for us all not to be able to listen to each other.
      When as a witness, I went from door to door No one ever cared that our religions name was different. We knocked on all doors. Now I realize other Christians have valuable information and they too have Holy Spirit.
      I have come to realize you don’t have to be in Bethel or a pulpit minister to receive help, understanding and truth. You can be one person or a small group. Jesus made it possible to get to God thru him on a one on one basis.
      That is what I sincerely hope visitors see on this site so they can get on their knees, thank him for freedom and not filter their new freedom through their long held teachings.
      If what they conclude from personal study matches up to their former beliefs then we need to give glory to Jehovah that we had proper understanding.
      The main thing is for each one to get strong then branch out on their own. We are just a little ever changing group. Many on the internet came across us over the last 9 years on the Fojw site. Now we see them with their small forums searching the scriptures.
      We are here as a spring board to help them until they can stand on their own two feet.
      As much as I might want to be diplomatic I must be truthful, it is a long hard road leaving an authoritarian religion where freedom was restricted.
      We do welcome and encourage persons to share their pain and journey until they feel strong, then FLY LIKE AN EAGLE!

  59. Christopher Johns says:

    I feel the WT visits the sites so they can get ideas of what to write about. For example we believe and many JWs are starting to believe that the great crowd will be a heavenly class. Now they have an article about where they are coming out. Also, they they had a child abuse Watchtower article recently. They want to make it seem like they have answers to all of our arguments already. Or it could be Bethelites looking for answers. Many are still “Physically in mentally out.” (PIMO)

  60. jacqueline says:

    No, we did see that the watchtower of the USA visited our site this month and another language watchtower Bible and tract society visited this week from a foreign country.
    I am not blaming it on them, it might have just been a hacker.
    I don’t know why the watchtower would visit our site because we deal with those that have chosen to come out on their own but not enticed.
    We keep noticing a few things here and there and I fix it as people tell me. Free conference call reverted to BBB for instance, but my system corrected it while Henry was actually looking at it and on the phone with me.
    I think we are good now, however. Thanks for asking.

  61. jacqueline says:

    Well, today was special! The site was being hacked and disappearing right before my eyes. Themes were changing and I couldn’t get in the backend at all!

    After hours I finally got everything back up, floating links should be working now and the videos at the end of each page should be working. I lost a few but that’s okay.
    I need some good sleep now.

  62. Chris Johns says:

    Anyways I think I’m pretty much done here. Hope y’all find what you’re looking for.

  63. Chris Johns says:

    The out resurrection is only mentioned one time in scripts and you’ve built and entire doctrine on it. It’s out of all of the body of Christians those who attain the mark of the prize of the high calling will be called out of the body of Christ. The entire bride is not the entire body but a piece. This is seen in The Rib being taken from Adam. She was a piece of him. Not all of him. I have an article on the exanatastis we studied a while back. These are non-Bible Students. Also it spurious because it’s not on the majority of the oldest Manuscripts. Not because we don’t understand your understanding of the out resurrection

  64. Travelers says:

    Please look it up. The reason you are having any disagreement about 1st resurrection is its not first in the origional expression its “out” resurrection. That is the hope of “THE” resurrection. Jesus. Returned to existence from the grave. The only time its called first is when Jesus is discribe as the first resurrection, the first fruit of the out resurrection. It’s good to see you working with this concept. Your very nature and hope depend on working this one out. Doing so it is to find you self.

  65. Lee Anthony says:

    I agree it does flow better, but when I read it, I already know it makes no sense looking at it the other way. I ignore the order cause I realize its not talking about those in the 1st resurrection but those in the 2nd.

  66. Lee Anthony says:

    The rest of the dead….. They are not of the 1st resurrection. That is quite clear. It does not state otherwise. Take it out, leave it in. Nothing changes.
    1st resurrection is during 1000 years, technically at the jump, then rest of dead not til after, as it says further down in verse, after satan is tossed into the Lake ?…

  67. Chris Johns says:

    I don’t know how else to explain Rev 20:5. I think you have some new idea and nothing can over turn it. Trust me I know the excitement of something new. Then when something challenges it the brain shuts down and doesn’t want to accept if

    Last time. How can those of the first resurrection reign DURING the 1,000 years of they do my come to life until the END of the 1,000 years?! BOTH ARE ARE CALLED THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

    Which is it. Don’t take my word for it. Read it yourself. It says those of the first resurrection rain during the thousand years but also says those of the first resurrection don’t come to life until after the thousand years. Which is it?

  68. Chris Johns says:


    Lost of spurious passages by a non bible student scholar.

  69. Chris Johns says:

    Again. Rev 20:5 is spurious. This is common sense and not something I read in a book
    How can those who come to life AFTER the 1,000 years be the “first resurrection” yet it says those who reign with him “DURING” the 1,000 years is the first resurrection?

    That’s like chaperoning a party for two hours yet not showing up until after the party. Which is it?

    Rev 20:5,6
    “The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. >>This is the first resurrection<>first resurrection<<: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years”

    Again. How can they reign during the 1,000 years yet not come to life until the end of the 1,000 years

    Also it’s spurious because it appears in NONE ZERO of the oldest manuscripts.

  70. Lee Anthony says:

    Ive seen those scriptures listed as such. I have not read up on it yet, Im not familiar with that booklet either

    • jacqueline says:

      It has listed scriptures in topics also but from a short look it seems now we can understand that some of these scriptures are not spurious like Rev. 20: 5 which is very clear now that it is not spurious. In fact the witness Bible has taken the brackets from around the verse and made it part of the text. Now that we see what the Bible really says about the thousand year reign that not “All” are in the category for resurrection at the time of the 1000 years reign. That is not paradise and there is another category of the dead resurrected after the thousand years and the little season of Satan’s release. Rev.20:5 was right

      Wow,how things are becoming unveiled.
      I think our blessings are coming in this regard because we stopped indoctrination and regurgitating old views. It was a hinderence to letting the Holy Spirit come in.
      I will go over the other scriptures you posted tomorrow.
      I have been having trouble sleeping so hitting the sack early. Doctor calls it post stroke fatigue. It is sort of a blessing because I don’t travel and can devote more time to a serious study of the Bible. No more studying books. Hooray. Give my love to Pharnisha and children.

  71. jacqueline says:

    Christopher thank you so much for your comment. Take care

  72. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, so sorry you feel offended when we express ourselves.
    You weren’t on this site when everyone has been commenting.
    You can’t censor commenters because they express disbelief in someone that you have embraced in fondness.
    60 years ago Russell was the founder of Jehovah Witnesses and suddenly you come upon a people who want to rewrite history. You can claim Russell, there is no problem here.
    I was taught what Charles Russell taught from infancy and so was all in my congregations during my childhood and New Light was almost always from an old watchtower from Russell era or Studies in the Scriptures. My husband used to go find the new light and laugh.
    You are free to believe what you want and no one has tried to dissuade you from being a Bible student or any religion you choose, including witnesses.
    How you are taking things personally on you when you aren’t even aware of how conversations are started because you aren’t on the other forums.
    The friends of JW perhaps forum is more suited for you may be, so you aren’t offended, although I wasn’t aware you were the spokesperson or face of the Bible Students.
    We are simply discussing the Bible without realizing we have to keep you personally in mind.
    Christopher please use the Brower back button or close it for this site if it upsets you. I don’t go on sites that upset me, although I feel people have the right to talk.
    Protect yourself from anything you find harmful to you. Use the x in the browser corner. Take care

  73. Lee Anthony says:

    My mind was never set, this is a brand new thought since viewing things in my own eyes and not from my old way of thinking. I read it, simply repeat it and that is it. What was repeated is not what I stated about the 144 and Joseph. It says tribe of Joseph in the verse. There isnt one I understand this point from OT, yet here it says tribe of ………

    8 “12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 sealed from the tribe of Benjamin.”

    Just a thought is all. No one wishs to argue, we care not if you dont see it this way. Thats not the point, you may believe as you wish, we do not state that any one thing here must be understood and believed by everyone

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee Anthony, I redo Dollhouses and have a lot of stored supplies in crates. Although I threw away all of my Bible Students material I found this booklet that I missed called ” Difficult text References and Spurious passage list for Bereans.” Compiled 1907 revised 2007.
      It is listing some of the scriptures we discussed on Thursday as “Spurious”. It seems scriptures that are seemingly against doctrines are labeled this way. I need to go over this carefully. How this book just popped out is beyond me. Romans 8:29, 9:16 and Rev 17:8. I smell a rat as I review this book but need to go further. I will discuss what I find on Thursday.
      Do you have this booklet? It is a Dawn Publication. Maybe it is online.
      Look at page 25, the revelation scriptures that are said to be miscellaneous misunderstandings. I need to check other sources because it seems these scriptures can be understood now. Just a little note of what fell out of my doll supplies.

  74. Christopher Johns says:

    You know what I’ve noticed about this site. Is y’all claim that we are bound by mans traditions and other things but I used the Bible. Nothing said by Russell and nothing said by any book. Either my logic is wrong or you’ve come to a conclusion and everything else is wrong and words of man. There is no tribe of Joseph. It’s symbolic. To say it’s literal means that god is taking an equal amount and none more of 144,000. The 144,000 aren’t said to be the house of Jacob. Funny how the names of the tribes shows the bride of Christ. Either it’s false or you have your mind set on this and nothing else is truth. The 144,000 aren’t called the house of Jacob. That’s why I’m sick of this site. When I use the Bible I’m indirectly accused of bringing man and tradition and what others tell me to.

    • jacqueline says:

      Christopher, why do you feel things are personal against you?
      You were not a Witness for long and you are new to the Bible Student movement, so this isn’t about you.
      Russell is the founder of Jehovah Witnesses, Bible Students, CL Johnson and many more offshoots from his teachings that he got from Miller and A venture, the book.
      He popularized the ideas.
      There were many more date setting preachers at that time because it was a time of great changes.
      Now it appears to be a time of revealing because we can understand Daniel. The book was to be sealed until the time of the end.

      Revelation was not sealed but a lot of the language of book can be understood better only after technology advancement and nuclear capabilities got here.

      We are just trying to think and discuss here not fight with you as an individual.

      But yes! I must constantly fight with my brain that has been brainwashed from infancy. I must relate to the errors taught me and all the over 2,000 on this site reading to what the Holy Spirit is leading us to see.
      You express yourself her also and we read it. Most of it however does follow the lines of what the witnesses teach and the Bible Students and CL but that is okay. We all have heard it before and it doesn’t bother us if your thoughts just happen to be like Russell and the Witnesses.

      There is room for all.
      Toughen up a little and don’t take it as a personal attack on you.
      Yes however we are parraleling it with what we were taught and breaking down the pieces of the formally long held doctrines of Charles Raze Russell, who spurned the Jehovah Witnesses as well as the Bible Students.

      We were only bound by those doctrines on this site.
      We don’t know what Baptist or Catholic nor Methodists etc taught.

      Fine is a Bible Student site and it teaches Russell, once I realized that I left them to do what they do and wish them well as a site.

      Here we DO BIBLE and hold it up against our thoughts and Change them if we see they are out of harmony with it.
      On Thursday night you should visit and see how it is done in a group.

      We pray to not harm you spiritually here but just read if you are uncomfortable commenting.
      So many need us to talk and tell what we see, they are afraid to even think about thinking differently than the long held beliefs of the teachings of Russell and the Watchtower Society.
      Take care and keep commenting if you like and so will we. We don’t have to respond to every comment it can be there as another point of view. Agape my brother.
      I will do spell check when I get to my computer, on a phone now.

  75. Lee Anthony says:

    The little flock when originally spoken to by Jesus were Jews, gentiles were of course grafted in. I take Jesus at his word unless otherwise stated. God will do as he pleases not as we assume he must. Scripture does say from the tribes of Israel.
    Levi didn’t receive tribal territory like the other tribes. Also Josephs sons were considered heads of their own tribes both of which received an inheritance of land. In some lists joseph is counted as one of the 12 (Genesis 49; Deuteronomy 33). In others Levi isnt counted and Ephraim and Manasseh are considered distinct tribes.
    12 tribes – 1 (Levi) – 1 (Joseph) + 1 (Ephraim) + 1 (Manasseh) = 12 tribes

    Nowhere in all of Scripture will you find the Church or Gentile believers in Messiah Jesus called “the house of Jacob

    (Rom. 11:16-26)

    Jacqueline, It seems that reasoning with any who are bound by teaching is difficult. There is a bible student couple that speaks to my wife and I as if we were w/out understanding yet when we discuss scripture they seem amazed over and again that we read the bible. Well yes, we tell them but they dont get it because they feel that they must be taught by someone else. I learned much of what I know b4 meeting witnesses or bible students. The holy spirit teaches us, and it led the apostles to understanding that they might teach and they have given us the truth and it has not changed in 2000 years, only some of it has been fulfilled while the rest remains to be understood until it happens.
    No need to argue with anyone when we see it written clearly it cannot be reasoned against.
    Another topic of interest Is the appearing of Jesus, this is similar because of how it is clearly written yet interpreted differently because to do otherwise will make a longheld date invalid and an entire movement, (actually 2) to be thrown off track. Of course it will never change, like Israel long held ideas are hard to let go of. Jacqueline you share my thinking on this as it seems quite clear. I have a few verses so you might follow my thinking.
    Acts 1:11, rev 1:7, matt 24:44, matt 16:27, matt 24:30-31, 25:31-46, titus 2:13, jude 1:14, 1 thes 4:16-17….

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee, thanks for the scriptures I will look them up and comment.
      When I told how we were using only the Bible,I was told the Holy Spirit doesn’t work that way, that I had to have someone to tell me what the verses meant. This was by a well educated Bible student over 70 years old. I felt sorry, because I ? this person and realizing the bondage and captivity of such a mind relying on the thoughts of man not knowing Jesus said He only was the truth and way. To deny the Power of Gods Spirit ability to work as it did in the first century was disturbing.

      Some are afraid however to rock such powerful boats by thinking out loud. But they doing so in smaller groups and here we can discuss without having our comments taken down.

      Also I am looking further but as to when these seen on Mount Zion are sealed. The Church is promised rulership with Christ but I see the Bride only mentioned again when the angel told John come, let me show you the Bride and he took him to where she lived.
      She appears to be Special and not the Church.
      I am finding this fascinating!.

  76. Chris Johns says:

    The 144,000 are not literal Jews. Look at the passage. There is no Tribe of Joseph. Also, they are called the Firstfruits. The Little flock is also called the first fruits. Also, if you notice they are the ones that followed the lamb wherever they went. Jews for the most part have not done this except a remnant before the call went out to the gentiles. Also, we are called a Royal Priesthood. They are said to be singing a song. Only the priests were allowed to sing in the temple. So the priests are the 144,000. Not even the Levite’s were allowed to sing in the temple. Also, they are said to be Israel because we are granted into the promises Israel. We are called the Israel of God. They sit on the throne which is what Jesus promised to those who follow him. The great multitude serve in the temple. Not sit on the throne. Also, each of the tribes names are from Jacob. Before each of these was born he said a phrase. For example when each was born a phrase was stated. Here they are put together.

    1. Judah = “I will praise the Lord”
    2. Reuben = “He has looked on me”
    3. Gad = “Granted good fortune”
    4. Asher = “Happy am I”
    5. Naphtali = “My wrestling”
    6. Manasseh = “Making me to forget”
    7. Simeon = “God hears me”
    8. Levi = “Joined to me”
    9. Issachar = “Purchased Me”
    10. Zebulun = “Dwelling”
    11. Joseph = “God will add to me”
    12. Benjamin = “Son of His right hand”
    Now notice what happens when the meaning of the names are combined, in the same order, into a paragraph:

    “I will praise the Lord for He has looked on me and granted good fortune. Happy am I because my wrestling God is making me to forget. God hears me and is joined to me. He has purchased me a dwelling. God will add to me the Son of His right hand.” (The words in italics are supplied to complete each thought.)

    This describes the bride.

  77. Lee Anthony says:

    The bible does say the 144000 are Jews. It dont say spiritual Israel anywhere.
    Also, 1000 years is not new earth, you read it as I do too.

    I have been studying a bit in revelation on satan being locked away. The bible dont seem to say he is released to test mankind. It just says he was thrown into prison, word is same in greek, simply prison. Also says that he must be released a little while. The word translated “must” from greek implies necessity of law and command, duty. Its like a prison sentence of 1000 years, once served the criminal is released, usually on parole. God knew what satan would do, and he knew it would fail. Satan can read, he knows too but still tries.
    It seems to be between satan and God. Why does it have to be about us, as a time of test? Im wondering if there is actually a scripture that states man will be tested as part of some final test after the 1000 years? Just a thought…

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee, thanks for your understanding. I meant the tribes of Israel. There is really 13 and the order is different very often. Joseph sons were adopted by his father and the tribe of levite is often not mentioned as they are priestly in some of the line ups in the old Testament. But with 13 you can always get yourself 12. God says what he means and means what he says. It isn’t as shrouded in mystery as we were led to believe. The Spirit conceals and reveals.
      I am praying and listening to others that don’t have a doctrine or agenda just verse by verse of what is actually said.
      Many of the signs in Revelation can be understood now. For instance bow and arrows are best described now as middles. John or Bible translator now realize how to more accurately describe nuclear power like the seven years to clear the earth by specially trained forces after the battle in Israel.
      I believe now that revealing or revelation is better understood by not adding to the text with allegorizing everything so that non Jewish religious men can put themselves in a powerful position.
      Jehovah knows what tribe all from Israel are from and if they are chosen during 1000 years then definitely no problem. I believe what the Bible says in Isiah that Jesus will rule on the throne of David and all mankind will be blessed by Abraham seed.
      The two books opened in Revelation are book of works and book of life.
      Revelation is the only book that says don’t add or subtract and read me I am special.
      Jehovah says he is making all things New. The New Earth is she’s to come.
      Also I don’t see where the Bible says how long this judging out of book of works will take. It could take more than a thousand years. Lol
      The apostles and early Christian thought in Hebrews that he had returned already when some began to die.
      Wow! Jesus didn’t mention he would be gone for 2 thousand years or more!
      So that is why I say it could be quite a while for this 2nd category of resurrected to be completed.
      This is just fascinating to throw out of our mind the old beliefs and look newly at Revelation like a group of Bible Student brothers I know.
      Btw. Some other men of faith never made the mistake of saying the millennium has already begun and still believe that.
      Gonna keep reading, listening and letting the Holy spirit he’ll me instead of doctrine of men that are long held and set. The old testament helps with some of this.
      And the 144,000 really isn’t mentioned much. You have to add to the text to put them everywhere. The Church I believe will rule with Christ on earth as the Bible says.
      Tell us more of what you are gleaning, please.

  78. jacqueline says:

    I just seemed to understand this scripture. Don’t know if I have it right but I thought I would share.

    Rev. 20 4-6: 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

    This does not seem to be an event but a category of people in the first resurrection to take place after satan is abyssed by the angel Michael. It includes a wide category of individuals, not just the 144,000 as I have been taught.
    In fact, I don’t see anything about this number in these verses. I also think the 144,000 are different than the Church and because of the three identifiers of who they are, how many there are and exactly what tribes they come from, that they are Jews.

    Now I can appreciate worshipers of Jehovah including Christians being rewarded for their overcoming even tho under the curse of sin. The built-in conscience by God worked for them even in the midst of sin they did righteously. It is making sense now, the next set of verses:

    The Great Judgment Day, after restoring of all things and after satan is destroyed in the Lake of Fire and all his influencers! My heart is no longer heavy as I know my Mom and Dad were Christians and I have hope that they along with me will be of the First resurrection that Jesus is the First One and all others could follow.

    7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth–Gog and Magog–and to gather them for battle. In number, they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Then resurrection as stated in verse 20:5 The Bible doesn’t say how long this period of judgment and resurrection is. It is after satan is in the Lake of fire.
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that was in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that was in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

    The Millenium is not the new earth and although the whole earth knows about the Lord, law, and order is enforced and you can die. The New earth comes afterward. Just entirely different than my former religious affiliates have said. Their doctrine does not line up with what is really written. I now like a verse by verse study of the Bible and not topical as we taught under Russell’s theology and into the Jehovah witnesses.

  79. Rene says:


    I am deeply sorry for what has happened to your brother. These are deeply troubling times and the evil in people is increasing so much that our society is losing the ability it once had to contain and control it. I was required to write a paper for one of my classes on the subject of crime and how it affects the elderly. Increases in violent crimes against the elderly are seen in some countries as a measure of social decline. I also believe that this is true as we know that before the return of Jesus and the conclusion of this system, people will become depraved on a level not seen in any point in human history according to scripture. I am thankful that God intervened and your brother was not killed. It is a terrible pain of the heart to lose people we love and I am glad that God protected the lives of your brother and the sisters that he was out with. I will pray for your brothers speedy recovery and I hope that God comforts you as I know this must have been difficult for you as well.

  80. Anonymous says:

    My brother was the captain in field service this afternoon. He was robbed, beaten and carjacked.
    He made sure all sisters were in their cars and drove off. Two men jumped in his back seat and his front seat.
    He is 77years old. I imagine there is alarm as this spreads thru the witness community in his State and city. So I will pray for him.
    Normally if they knew you were a witness the bad guys never bothered us.

  81. jacqueline says:

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Scripture but I have been doing some studying on the effects of Children of “Gay Marriages” and this is one story I came across. For what it is worth.—4.0-styling

  82. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    John 14:6 Welcome. I agree with you. One facet of being a teacher is to make your statements understandable. When a person is left reading a post or book or listening to a comment they should at the very least understand the point that is trying to be made. We are all at different levels of understanding in our relationship with God. It is hard to agree or disagree when you are left with trying to figure out what a person is trying to say. I try to make my posts easy to understand for all readers. The Bible is plain on many subjects. There are some subjects that are more difficult and subject to interpretation. We are all entitled to our own viewpoints in these matters and as we progress, our viewpoint may change. To insist that everyone believe what we believe in such subjective matters is what has caused division and strife among Christians throughout history. Christians persecuting Christians in the name of our Lord Jesus! Instead of being united in our love and devotion for Christ, Christians have been burned at the stake and killed for disagreeing with religious leaders. Today some religions have sever shunning practices, cutting fellow Christians off from family and friends simply for disagreeing with or criticizing man made creeds and doctrines that obviously go against plain Scripture. It is these religious leaders who will share the greater culpability when Christ begins his judgment when he returns. Jesus felt pity and love for those sheep of his day who were being saddled down with heavy burdens that went beyond the Law. He openly condemned the Pharisees and religious leaders calling them offspring of vipers!
    It is OK to disagree but we want to be very careful we don’t cause division by insisting on our viewpoint. If we want to express our own viewpoint, thats OK too, but we must make our viewpoint clear enough that all can understand the point we are making. Doing so we all learn from each other and come to a greater knowledge of the truth.

  83. (John 14:6) says:

    The purity of devotion and or the simplicity that is Christ. (2 Cor. 11:2) speaks some to this effect.
    I wonder what is this “truth” so many seem to have. I believe this is a place for many people from any place or background to come and learn and to come express themselves if they like. Is not the sword of God his word the bible? Discussions on the topic seem appropriate then…We all wish to be more like Jesus and to make our minds over, but must we be above everyone else in our knowledge and understanding so that we can say we have the truth, and that we might teach in long drawn out sermonlike posts so only a few of the very elite might understand it? Even a man that is slow in thought might have Gods spirit and therefore understand what the Father wishs him to understand… The most intelligent of men seek and take in knowledge of God and the bible yet are no where near Christlike, they might however debate the best of scholars and prevail in wisdom and teaching ability. I try to word a reply yet find myself at a loss, as if I were back in college reading a book assignment and being asked to respond to something that is worded in such a way that I feel inadequate in my thinking of how I am to proceed. My life has been transformed by the holy spirit and by application of scripture, it is the only evidence I might present of my personal walk with him and of my testimony. I think most understand this to be a process and that once saved always saved is indeed false as once saved would mean saved, I think none of us are there, otherwise we wouldnt be here, discussing it. Simplicity is important here… A little at a time, its all a process and in order for us to even consider responding I think short and simple is more appropriate.

  84. travelers says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    We start out Hi Jacqueline, but it is in fact to all on this site we humbly ask “what do you see from your vantage point?”

    I and my fellow pursuer, partner, wife, were talking about the nature of pursuit of enlightenment in relation to the Bible, Reality, and God. In Art we read and have found to be true that the greater/higher/finer your expression the smaller your audience. Smaller you see because the greater the enlightened thoughts used when expressing your realizations in any medium of expression, the more understanding the audience has to have to “get it”.

    This seems to suggest that maybe we’ve missed that you and those on this site have a simpler approach to drawing closer to God’s frame of mind. one you’ve recommended many times we use, and one we seem to have missed entirely. We are trying to acquire the mind of Christ on our way to become one with the mind of God, of course. All religious pursuit connected to Christ acknowledges this, although maybe not in the general population, but among their elders, priests or ministers.

    So we’ve read a good deal of the attempts to make progress on this subject or that related to the Bible, say for example, ” the sword of God”. Help us here, is this to come to know more about this subject, “the sword of God”, or is it thought to be information that will have value in your process of making your mind over, putting together parts of the puzzling picture of reality that Jesus revealed. You may be using some overview you have not yet mentioned. Truth is connected, so it shouldn’t take too long looking at details to realize you are assembling something the instruction book (Bible) calls, for example a car.

    We’ve all been at this awhile, we are your brother and sister, and we want also to come to know God, if we haven’t in some “Way”. We wish to be strengthened, by a new or more efficient process of acquiring and cataloging information so that it is usable.

    We are here “asking”.

    We see the general “once saved always saved” misconception. We see the everybody good goes to heaven and the bad go to hell misconception. We see that Jesus and his disciples made clear that you must come to understand the truth that Jesus revealed or you could not be saved. We see that they tell us that you must be taught orally by someone else that understands the complete picture as far as is has been assembled up to your time. Simple is mentioned many times. When it is simple to see that research, thought and consideration combined with a helper’s/teacher’s hand would and will lead to depth of understanding, all of it connected to the bigger picture of reality. All of it drawing you and strengthening you in your stand for first, truth, then for the leader of this pursuit, God and his messenger. Only by taking the truth as your own and standing can you “see” the stand of Jesus and Yahweh, considering them friends in pursuit.

    So simple overview that you are using in common that allows you progress, please. This is not a test or confrontational statement, just an honest request.

    In the spirit of the site, “what do you see from your vantage point?”.

    • jacqueline says:

      travelers I will leave this open to anyone that wishes to reply. I am in the word of God for as much as 5- 8hrs a day sometimes and hardly miss a day. I am striving for a personal relationship with God by finally concentrating on the BIBLE. Holy Spirit is powerful and we have seen it in operation at our two studies on Thursday and Saturday.
      When comments are made here, people do read them, I see the clicks. But we don’t make people comment or express what they see on here. Although they often do on Thursday night and Saturday.
      What do you expect us to do? What do you want us to do? Are you satisfied that what you have found is true and you shared it as you should?
      But why do you want or expect others to make an answer? First, you address me most of the time, that shuts down anyone else. Now I see you rightly indicated this is for everyone. That is a good thing.
      Traveler, I am really doing okay going at my pace and what I want to understand. You may have a different thing that you find difficult and you are free to express it here.
      Now I have found facebook people answer and comment on every little thing so that might be a better platform if you want to talk or a reply.
      No one, however, will read and reply to difficult to understand statements on a lot of things. They normally read a bit of it and go on. That is what I have found.
      The narrator tried to close out the forum after 1 1/2 hours Saturday and we let him know that we weren’t thru and went on for another hour or so discussing. On Thursday we are talking until the end. So what are you saying?
      Please be precise so we can understand exactly what you are expecting.
      Most on here and readers value the freedom to comment or not to comment. I will wait for your reply if you feel you want to. Take Care

  85. Christopher Johns says:

    Hey Jacqueline,
    My ecclesia is unique. We all came out of the nominal churches. We sometimes have to tell a neighboring ecclesia to stop trying to make us have an elder and try to get us to do things their ways. But we allow for all different opinions and don’t always agree with the Volumes. We read all sorts of things. I had one brother from the Laymen’s tell me that Russell sits at the right hand of Christ. Severe Russellite’s. I still believe what Russell taught but I’m not a Russellite. I don’t agree with everything he wrote and that’s ok. I love the Bible Students. The things I’ve learned are amazing. Love it. I don’t judge anyone. Do what works for you.

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi Christopher, I thought there was this freedom in Christ among the Bible Students but was actually confronted by an elder saying I said something on the friends website that wasn’t in harmony with Russell. Matt. 18 was thrown to the side as I wanted the actual elder that was writing the emails to admin elder personal email to contact me directly. It was denied and I was told his identity would not be revealed ever and demanded to not disagree with Russell on the site. It was short of a screaming match at me by the admin of the site. By the way the elder lied, there was no such comment, we tore the site apart trying to find these supposed comments. No apology, just a veiled threat. So I finally got free from one man’s thoughts only. God had to go that harsh route to get me on his path. Christopher, so many horrible conversations by phone happened and even some in our group had to deal with intrusiveness.
      This was started out of the blue by an elder or elders within the Chicago class.
      I have several emails stating you must agree with Russell’s writings of you comment on the friends site. Brothers overheard phone conversations between me and an elder, started by him not me. The BBB was open as one call came in So brothers heard the mandates.
      Christopher I have never seen anything like the situation in my life.
      It is documented with emails and phone calls.
      But divine providence was at play. I needed to get away from those volumes. Many Christians understand the Bible as much or more than the off shoots of Russell. I am good and where I should be directly in the Bible. No books and understand better with Holy Spirit.
      You take Care of yourself and so glad you enjoy your class, they are very nice.
      Thank you for weighing in. All Bible Students can’t be painted with one brush.
      It isn’t them I object to either. I have been a student of Russell teachings all my life. I have found it isn’t true that he alone have truths. Nor do I believe his statement that if you stop studies in the scriptures you will go into darkness in 2 years. I love seeing other Christian views and reading and studying the Bible myself as I do believe the Holy Spirit of God is powerful and can help Christian to understand.
      The making of so many books become wearisome to the soul. That is just my personal feelings. Not speaking for others.
      I am finally in a relationship with God and Jesus, I can feel it. I don’t try to pull others away from their religion because we are all trying.
      Take Care, Jacqueline

  86. jacqueline says:

    I am having lots of conversations sent to me by email and text message so I am going to share them as they come in on here without the names of the individuals. The Chicago convention is this weekend (Memorial Day) and like witnesses, I am getting invites to something I am aware of since I was there for 9 years.

    I received this:
    “I am also hoping to see you at the convention this weekend at Addison Park district on Oak St. I’d love to see you.”
    Attachments area

    I answered:
    “Hi …… , I hope you are doing okay. I will not be at the Convention. I have really decided to get away from Charles Taze Russell teachings. I am doing so much better studying in a small group with just the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I found Christians don’t need one man’s writings outlining the Bible and continue to go over and over one man’s thinking on the Bible. I got to see where the teachings that enslaved me all my life came from. For that, I thank God so I could get away from men and go directly to the Bible.
    You are my friend and I enjoy my conversations with you and associations. Feel free to visit or call me anytime. But I am not interested in learning what I have studied for 70 years, namely Charles Taze Russel’s thoughts.
    So I will not be attending any of the meetings. Thanks so much for your invitation and concern.
    I hope you understand that I am a very direct person, not wanting to lead people on. So this is not directed toward you or any brothers. I just have done enough Russell for 70 years. Love you.

    • jacqueline says:

      So, I was asked whether or not I believe any of what Russell taught? I am saying I have studied Russell for 70years, now I want to see what other men and women of faith have to say, listen to them also and in that way learn also, that’s all.
      I am not claiming I don’t need to study with and listen to others. I am saying I have learned all I can listening to Russell. For instance, contrary to what Jehovah witnesses and the Bible Students have told us, there are others that have always understood some basic truths, for instance, the Millennium.

      David Jeremiah expresses the way I understand the 1,000 years. (not every word, as he doing the best he can). I believe Jesus will actually rule on the earth for 1,000 years and rewarded followers with him.

      I learn a lot from listening to our brothers on Thursday and going on other pages on Facebook. Boreans Bible students, Ronald Day just to name a few, plus many more. I was sitting in the park when I observed a very young couple discussing and reading their Bible at the picnic table while their little kids played in the sand. Being the introvert that I am, I inquired what they were reading? They told me they were preparing for their Bible study class. They meet in a home with a few people once a week and they have had baptisms in the waters of Lake Michigan. I learned so much from them and got the impression they too were blessed from our conversation. I no longer feel I have to agree with everything another person believe to fellowship’ But I was told I had to agree with Charles Taze Russell and accept him as the seventh messenger of Revelation. I will never do that and since it is a Russelite religion and I am done studying Russell, 70 years is enough and I will enjoy the company of my family this holiday weekend as they are all off work.
      I am getting a well-rounded view from reading just the Bible with the Holy Spirit’s help also.

      I don’t mind expressing and sharing what I see but to defend my position on not adoring and worshipping Russell is really crazy.

      PS: Brothers I am replying openly on this site the answer to private messages sent to me. So sorry if I sound erratic.

  87. jacqueline says:

    Chicago has made history today! Swearing in of the first openly gay married kissing in full view Mayor.
    There is an openly gay person running for President next year. I predict he will win.
    The Chicago multi-religious
    preachers all spoke of peace in God’s name.
    INSTEAD OF CHRIST, they say they are going to do it. Almost every one of the major prayers and even the judge swearing them in was openly gay.
    What is significant is this promise of Peace as the theme.
    If this Mayor solves the immense gun violence problem that exists in Chicago then the way can be paved for the coalition of forces in the spiritual realm to try to do what only Christ Kingdom is going to do.
    Do we see the “Instead of Christ” formation? Only watching and time will tell.
    Putin is already in Power, how many more of the leaders of major countries will be openly gay remains to be seen.
    Just my thoughts on what is happening today/

  88. jacqueline says:

    Please go look at this because letters are being sent to those that have just walked away. Or just scroll to the bottom and hit the last videos on the econd and third footer.

  89. Nubby Tope says:

    Has anyone seen the YouTube footage of Anthony Morris III of GB buying $1000 worth of booze at 11 am on a Sunday morning? Spirit guided org? No joke.

  90. jacqueline says:

    This is a link for THE BLUE LETTER BIBLE. I find this very easy to use the tools and get commentaries and hear commentaries on their thoughts on the verse. I hovered over Gen. 6 about Nephilim and learn other thoughts on their being on the earth Afterwards. (After the flood). You can also get the App installed on your phone.

    Explains how it works, very simple.

  91. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    So glad you’re feeling better and are on the road to recovery. Nice that your family were there to support you. Maybe “nature is overcoming nurture” with them? Whatever, you’re in my prayers Sister so go steady and God & Christ keep you safe.

    • jacqueline says:

      Thanks Nubby, I am getting an article together on How and why we can believe that all will go as God promises. Scripturally and historically. Still pacing myself.

  92. Jacqueline says:

    Hello everyone, I am finally home after almost three months recuperating. Henry had balloons and a huge door sign welcoming me home.

    My grandchildren were the first to get out of one car and run up to my door but said, Grandma, I think you need to see your door before we open it as they smiled from ear to ear. I burst out crying, other family did also then Henry opened the door and there were balloons and a nice welcome home gift. Jeff was waiting for the call that I was on the way and he would have been there but Henry had the wrong number.

    My son and I agreed the grandchildren were learning lessons here also as our family has been healing from Georgia, Alabama, to Illinois, California, and Indiana.

    My Family is Jehovah witnesses and they behaved like Christians and Love was the quality I saw in action. My children and one wife did more than say I am sorry for the difficult actions against me because I chose to leave the family religion and seek Jesus directly without going through the organization. I also have to admit not being on an attack website helped to ease the tensions also. All family knows about this new website and the fact we are just here to help those having a difficult time adjusting and give them a place to rest a bit until they can stand on their own two feet.

    There are lots of help on the internet for those with anger that they absolutely must be allowed to vent and cry out in their sorrow of a life controlled and ruined,

    Then they move on to websites that acknowledge their pain but also offer a chance to get to Jesus with friends standing behind them. Also to share with us what the Spirit reveals to them.
    Finally, they are on their way to inner peace and can forgive any action sent their way because now they are free.

    Thank you for reading and I am so glad by God’s Grace, an undeserved kindness, I survived my stroke and pneumonia, healing took place in our family and now I AM HOME. A threefold cord, Praise Him!

  93. jacqueline says:

    Good Morning, Today is going to be a great day. Find a person that makes you happy and spend as much time with them as possible!
    Worship God and Jesus today. The Gospels will lift your spirit as we move toward that time to Remember Him and celebrate the Memorial of his great sacrificial death. Smile at 10 people today! It will change your brain.

  94. jacqueline says:

    I would like to publicly thank all of the friends from this site for their emails and prayer text messages for my swift recovery. I need those prayers.
    I had clients that weren’t aware I was sick just text to say thinking of you. They were moved some said to just text me at this new year, not knowing what happened. Jeff, Tia, Rena, Yuna, Greg and client Greg, Andrea, dozens of classmates in this site, Henry and so many more. I appreciate your deep love and concern. My family have all stepped up to encourage and help me. Thank you so much. And thank God for his mercies

  95. jacqueline says:

    If you are facing one of the biggest battles in your life now, GET EXCITED ABOUT IT!
    God does not give big battles to little soldiers. Let’s not compare ourselves to anybody just do what you can. This thing that we are in the end so we have to hurry and get in a class is manmade. Be the tortoise not the hare and you will get where God wants you to be.
    Hopefully more can join our simple but joyful study of the Bible only. No books.

  96. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    Sorry to hear you’ve been ill recently; please get well soon as you’re such an encouragement to us all here. You’re in my prayers Sis.

  97. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Dear Sr Jacqueline
    I didn’t know anything happened to you! I’m so sorry! My love and prayers are with you. Please, if you can, have someone in our group provide me an update as to what happened and how you are doing.
    Sincere Christian love

  98. jacqueline says:

    Hello everybody. My family is the greatest. I am surrounded by them and some flew in. My mother and father would be so happy. I am getting so much support that the doctor says I am improving hour by hour not day by day. I will not be able to post back to you. My speech is improving and hand has been greatly improved. Love you. Thanks for the prayers!

  99. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Here is an interesting video, what are your thoughts? It is a video commenting on a WT article from 1910 in Ray Franz book I Search of Christian Freedom regard statements made in that article.

    • jacqueline says:

      TedR, so this is one aspect of the conversation I tried to have with the admin of the friendsofJehovahwitnesses site. They are writing a fabricated history and are actually believing it and it is being repeated on facebook under a page of the difference in Bible students and Jehovah Witnesses. They are the same except the witnesses are more adhesive and organized than the Bible students.
      The witnesses are more like Charles Taze Russell’s organization. He had corporations and he used the Studies In The Scriptures as God-given law, as if it was the Bible itself. Like the Watchtower.
      The Bible students invited me to join a Whatsapp discussion last week to finish the SITS in 2 years by using 5 pages a day. They go through these books over and over again like they are the Bible. They quote what “pastor” Russell says from these volumes as if they are the Bible. For me, it was idolatry to sit and hear this quoting of a dead man and saying a vow unto the lord of a dead man that refused to admit he was committing adultery and made this false vow to God that people repeat over and over again and hardly any of them can keep it especially those in the medical field or in a field of supervisor or authority, because of a man that they worship. They call him pastor when this is a part of the Nicolaitan teaching that Jesus said he hated. (Nico-clergy, laitan-laity).
      Russell like the watchtower society and the Bible students (not all of them, however, just the Russellite segment) says you will go into darkness if you stop studying like a ritual these old 18th century musing of a host of men that were trying to put together what they saw in that century.
      Daniel, however, showed that in the time of the end it would become clearer. So who would keep regurgitating these thoughts over and over again, year in and year out?
      Jehovah Witnesses and Rutherford have as their founder Charles Taze Russell along with the other offshoots of Bible Students with their confusion of differences.
      Some xjw turned BS get upset with me when I refuse to discuss the teachings of Russell and instead refer to the teachings of the Bible without reference to the 6 volumes of the scriptures.
      Most of these xjw have never gone to dozens of conventions all over the country and attended dozens of their meetings to see how it amounts to worship of Russell and the Studies In The Scriptures.
      They only have online experiences with them and that is why they can’t see what I experienced.
      And that is okay for each of us have our experiences and can only make a decision on what we have seen. Many are getting a lot of knowledge from being on the Bible Student sites and talking with them and that is a good thing as all religions have some great truths, even the Jehovah Witnesses. A broken clock even is correct twice a day.
      I TedR can’t go back into the same thing I dug myself out of, the thoughts and writings of Charle Taze Russell.
      Jehovah witnesses and The Bible Students are the same basic religion, and re-writing a new history does not change that.
      I have the videos of Raymond Franz at the end of every page.

  100. jacqueline says:

    Greg and Ted, so glad you guys are keeping everything moving. I heard from Marjo and Una. They both are doing what I am doing enjoying our kids and me grandkids. Una had a standing reading and explanation of the story and reason for Jesus to come into the world and die. Her family and friends had a joyous day. Marjo has her husband’s son with them also for the holiday period and she sent photos of their joy. I visited family at my birth city. I now have all five if my grands. So you see we are in bliss and out of touch until after school starts January 7th. They said to let you know, it’s family time!
    May God bless us all.

  101. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Barbara Anderson.
    Seasons Greetings!

    SCAARS, which is the acronym for a new 501(c)(4) non-profit lobbying corporation, Sexual Child Abuse – Advocates for Reform and Safety (SCAARS), has attached a gift for you of the trial transcript of Nunez v. Watchtower (426 pages). That Montana trial began the afternoon of September 24, 2018.

    SCAARS was formed by Barbara Anderson, former Watchtower insider, and former Jehovah’s Witness elder, Roger Bentley and his wife, Karin. The date of incorporation was October 3, 2018.

    On the Home Page of the SCAARS website,, you will find information that explains the goal of the movement – SCAARS, “Changing Laws – Changing Lives.”

    Please share the Nunez v. Watchtower trial transcript. It costs over $800 to purchase this transcript from the court, but it was a gift to SCAARS. Be assured that this material is a public domain document.

    It is important that as many people as possible read the extraordinary information found in the Nunez v. Watchtower transcript, so share, share and share it some more with everyone you know just like we are sharing it with everyone we know.

    SCAARS Board of Directors

    Nunez v. Watchtower (Montana Jury Awards $35,000,000 to JW Child Abuse Victim)
    Trial Transcript: 426 pages in PDF format.

    Attorney for the Plaintiff, Neil Smith’s excellent closing arguments are found on pages 412 through 415 of the transcript.

  102. jacqueline says:

    I was moved by the long friendships of these young ladies and their 100 years of life being credited to their faith and God. Not once did I hear them say they were special. Their worship forged friendships not break them up. I accept my journey and am happy but now I will read and cheer the journey of other believers in Christ. Enjoy.

  103. Kevin Davis says:

    Kevin things are well now I will send the dawn a letter for them to.send to you in about 3 or 4 months of my story Kevin Davis

    • jacqueline says:

      Kevin, HELLO!! long time since we have talked. You can post your story here. I don’t think Dawn will send it to us.
      Kevin the Bible students don’t have a headquarters, Dawn is a class and not a headquarters.
      So you can post your story here if you like.

  104. anonymous says:

    John Aquilla Brown wrote the things Russell takes credit for before he was born.

    From Jehovah’s Witnesses: Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, pp. 133-134:
    “of the Gentile Times
    The matter of Bible chronology had long been of great interest to Bible students. Commentators had set out a variety of views on Jesus’ prophecy about “the times of the Gentiles” and the prophet Daniel’s record of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream regarding the tree stump that was banded for “seven times.”—Luke 21:24, KJ; Dan. 4:10-17.

    As early as 1823, John A. Brown, whose work was published in London, England, calculated the”seven times” of Daniel chapter 4 to be 2,520 years in length. But he did not clearly discern the date with which the prophetic time period began or when it would end. He did, however, connect these “seven times” with the Gentile Times of Luke21:24.

    True, John Aquila Brown published the book The Even-Tide in 1823 in which he taught that the Gentile Times was a period of 2,520 years that went from 604 BC to 1917 AD. However, for Brown, the end of the Gentile Times meant the “transcendant ‘glory of Israel'” and was related to the natural Jewish nation (see title page).

    The chapter on the 2,520 years from Brown’s book The Even-Tide (about 2 MB) can be downloaded from this file sharing site:
    This is old so won’t work now.

    Read more here: B. Anderson
    From the mid-1920s, a man by the name of Frederick Franz, born in 1893, assumed the role as the “oracle” or “visionary” that came up with most of Jehovah’s Witnesses interpretive religious ideas. He went blind in the early 1980s and completely senile later that same decade. He died in 1992 at the age of 99. It was Franz that came up with the 1975 dogma that Jehovah’s Witnesses proclaimed far and wide as “truth” without any proof at all. The failure of that prediction caused over 500,000 Witnesses to abandon their religion. Many Witness leaders blamed Franz.

    When I was part of the Watch Tower’s Writing Department staff, I examined Franz’s vast personal library in his office. The bookshelves contained scores of old worn books that discussed religious topics. Nine years later, after my association with the Witnesses ended, I began a research project on the subject under consideration and realized that Franz basically took information from those old books on his bookshelves and redeveloped 15th to the 19th century religious ideas about the “last days” and branded them as “new truths” under the guise of “progressive revelation,” just like the founder of the Bible Student movement, C. T. Russell, did before him.

  105. Jubal says:

    Jacqueline. I’ve read your link to “Some facts and more facts about Charles Taze Russell”
    and I found it to be an eye opening experience. For instance under the heading \”42 facts and more facts\” it says: \”If the six volumes of
    \’Scripture Studies\’ are practically the Bible, topi-
    cally arranged, with Bible proof texts given, we
    might not improperly name the volumes \’the Bible
    in an arranged form.\’ That is to say, they are not
    mere comments on the Bible, but they are practi-
    cally the Bible itself. Furthermore, not only do we
    find that people cannot see the Divine plan in study-
    ing the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if
    anyone lays the \’Scripture Studies\’ aside, even after
    he has used them, after he has become familiar
    with them, after he has read them for ten years— if
    he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes
    to the Bible alone, though he has understood his
    Bible for ten years, our experience shows that with-
    in two years he goes into darkness. On the other
    hand, if he had merely read the \’Scripture Studies\’
    with their references and had not read a page of the
    Bible as such he would be in the light at the end of
    two years, because he would have the light of the
    Scriptures.\” (Watchtower September 15th 1910)
    That’s a shocking statement! There’s more spiritual strength in the “Scripture Studies\”
    alone than reading the Bible by itself??????

    • jacqueline says:

      Jubal, thank you for commenting and welcome. I remember in the 1950’s when the watchtower had an article talking about this statement! I didn’t read all of the link but must go back and finish it tonight.
      How dare a mere man claim he is so great that his writings aside from the Bible can give us God’s plan.
      The messenger has sometimes been flawed even if God sent him or helped him, BUT THE MESSAGE HAS NEVER BEEN FLAWED!
      Jesus said the householder would prepare if he knew when the thief was coming, therefore no man knows not even the Son Jesus (the thief) the day or the hour. Satan (the householder) could figure it out if Jesus could so what makes this man predict 1914 as the end of the world. Also, parousia means Coming as well as a presence. And nowhere in the Bible does he say it would be invisible but rather.
      Matthew 24:23-27 English Standard Version (ESV)
      23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Not one man seeing him invisibly.

      The character of this man’s disrespect for women with his wife living in the same home.

      “ABOUT “PASTOR” RUSSELL 29 —-he said, “What is it?” and I said, “Rose has told me
      that you have been very intimate with her and that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her on no account to tell me, but she couldn’t keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that.”
      ” he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said, “I am not your wife.” and he said, “I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife.”
      Q. Then, what other terms were used?

      A. Then he said, “I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds, I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others,” and she wrote that out so that I could remember if for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.” See pages 23 onward for details.

      So The Messenger and the Message appears to me to be from an egotistical man who started an empire of deception.

  106. valleygirl says:

    Jacqueline, I am still reading thru this and will comment when I finish but I have asked you to talk about this before but you weren’t open to it. I am glad to see this discussion. I really need to go to the source and see how this movement developed.
    So far I see a lot of parallels between the present-day witness organization and what Russell was setting up. His set up with the infirmary, the different corporations, the Bethel like situation with men staying there and forever changing his answers when presented in your face evidence reminds me of our present-day governing body. Rutherford followed exactly what Russell started and the witnesses are more directly from Russell now with their set up.
    So I will come back when I finish my read but I am glad you are willing to listen to what we at least have to say on this. Thank you so much for opening this up. I need to know!

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi Valleygirl, I do remember being asked to go to the root of what happened with our deception by going directly to the founder of the Jehovah witness organization and its other little groups, Charles Taze Russell. Rutherford just carried on the wishes his mentor, Russell.
      At the time Valleygirl, I was on a journey and hearing an entirely different story. I was trusting. I don’t regret the journey because for a minute I got a rest from the experience with the Jehovah Witnesses.
      But when I began asking questions and refusing to accept what were absurd doctrines to me, the honeymoon ended and stuff got real! Russell as the Laodacian Angel and the Faithful slave was too much for me again. So now I am listening to you and others.
      Many tried to warn me and get me to check out things but this journey put me in the belly and I know both sides.
      Now I go straight to Jehovah God thru Jesus with the help of the Holy Spirit. I threw away all those books. So let’s talk.

  107. jacqueline says:

    This is an interesting website I came across when I was looking up information on how the Watchtower organization was formed. It seems it was formed while Russell was alive and the annual meeting was held and the shuffling of money in different corporations happened long before Rutherford took over and was started by Russell.
    This is homework I should have done 8 years ago but God took me on the journey so I could hear one story and see the actual true story compiled a century ago. Interesting.

  108. jacqueline says:

    This is why Jehovah says to “get out of her my people” (Rev 18). Organized religions are havens for child sexual abuse and if people would leave these institutions and go directly to God in small groups they could protect their children. Baptist Church in my area + more. Just disgusting, I remember this first case.

    If you live in California there is a petition here: Also great info on cults.

  109. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    So true! We follow Christ not man or man made organizations!

  110. Jacqueline says:

    You can not get healed in the same place that hurt you.
    When it comes to Spiritual healing go directly to the Bible as God never hurt you, men did.
    Organized religious systems are basically the same just packaged differently or closely.
    It can just be a different kind of crazy!

  111. jacqueline says:

    I watched the funeral for George Bush today and pondered on the many scriptures they used and the fact there was a sense they know about resurrection as the Bible teaches.
    I look and listen more now to get a sense of how I was taught only persons claiming to have “The Truth” understand the deep things of the Bible. More and more I see that is not true. Other Christians are digging also and no one religion has all truth some approach it prophetically, some from Love others from life lessons to get from the Bible. When we listen to many voices we get a rounded view of the Bible.
    I noticed that I understood why they read the scriptures they did without interpretation, just simply read it and the words spoke for themselves.
    Strange it took 70 years for me to finally consider the Bible, but better late than never.

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