Ask Jacqueline

"It is not Happy people that are Thankful, but Thankful people who are happy"

So where ever there are people there is an opportunity to be kind. I decided to make a list of how I can be thankful and show it to others.

First, ALL THANKS goes to GOD and JESUS for Life and Love.

Thanks for leading me to the Bibles' 66 books instead of the many endless writings of men. Death will take me before I finish these, but thanks.

Here are some of my personal heartfelt thankfulness.

  1. I am thankful I had my son and granddaughter visiting with me during the holidays.
  2. I am thankful that I can be a part of life and not afraid of it.
  3. I will complain less and breathe more.
  4. I will Let Be, Let Go, Let God.
  5. I will make the choice to let go of negative thoughts and fill my mind with positively thoughts.
  6. I will realize humans are a walking breathing wonder created by God and Jesus.
  7. I will give thanks for another day of giving, loving and life and hate no one.
  8. I will consider how fortunate I am and give myself the gift of being joyfully me.
  9. I will change myself and communicate with love, not apprehension.
  10. I will pray every day and often for myself and those I love and not so fond of. My grandchildren will take priority in my life now that my kids are grown.  

 

39 Responses to Ask Jacqueline

  1. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    John 14:6 Welcome. I agree with you. One facet of being a teacher is to make your statements understandable. When a person is left reading a post or book or listening to a comment they should at the very least understand the point that is trying to be made. We are all at different levels of understanding in our relationship with God. It is hard to agree or disagree when you are left with trying to figure out what a person is trying to say. I try to make my posts easy to understand for all readers. The Bible is plain on many subjects. There are some subjects that are more difficult and subject to interpretation. We are all entitled to our own viewpoints in these matters and as we progress, our viewpoint may change. To insist that everyone believe what we believe in such subjective matters is what has caused division and strife among Christians throughout history. Christians persecuting Christians in the name of our Lord Jesus! Instead of being united in our love and devotion for Christ, Christians have been burned at the stake and killed for disagreeing with religious leaders. Today some religions have sever shunning practices, cutting fellow Christians off from family and friends simply for disagreeing with or criticizing man made creeds and doctrines that obviously go against plain Scripture. It is these religious leaders who will share the greater culpability when Christ begins his judgment when he returns. Jesus felt pity and love for those sheep of his day who were being saddled down with heavy burdens that went beyond the Law. He openly condemned the Pharisees and religious leaders calling them offspring of vipers!
    It is OK to disagree but we want to be very careful we don’t cause division by insisting on our viewpoint. If we want to express our own viewpoint, thats OK too, but we must make our viewpoint clear enough that all can understand the point we are making. Doing so we all learn from each other and come to a greater knowledge of the truth.

  2. (John 14:6) says:

    The purity of devotion and or the simplicity that is Christ. (2 Cor. 11:2) speaks some to this effect.
    I wonder what is this “truth” so many seem to have. I believe this is a place for many people from any place or background to come and learn and to come express themselves if they like. Is not the sword of God his word the bible? Discussions on the topic seem appropriate then…We all wish to be more like Jesus and to make our minds over, but must we be above everyone else in our knowledge and understanding so that we can say we have the truth, and that we might teach in long drawn out sermonlike posts so only a few of the very elite might understand it? Even a man that is slow in thought might have Gods spirit and therefore understand what the Father wishs him to understand… The most intelligent of men seek and take in knowledge of God and the bible yet are no where near Christlike, they might however debate the best of scholars and prevail in wisdom and teaching ability. I try to word a reply yet find myself at a loss, as if I were back in college reading a book assignment and being asked to respond to something that is worded in such a way that I feel inadequate in my thinking of how I am to proceed. My life has been transformed by the holy spirit and by application of scripture, it is the only evidence I might present of my personal walk with him and of my testimony. I think most understand this to be a process and that once saved always saved is indeed false as once saved would mean saved, I think none of us are there, otherwise we wouldnt be here, discussing it. Simplicity is important here… A little at a time, its all a process and in order for us to even consider responding I think short and simple is more appropriate.

  3. jacqueline says:

    travelers I will leave this open to anyone that wishes to reply. I am in the word of God for as much as 5- 8hrs a day sometimes and hardly miss a day. I am striving for a personal relationship with God by finally concentrating on the BIBLE. Holy Spirit is powerful and we have seen it in operation at our two studies on Thursday and Saturday.
    When comments are made here, people do read them, I see the clicks. But we don’t make people comment or express what they see on here. Although they often do on Thursday night and Saturday.
    What do you expect us to do? What do you want us to do? Are you satisfied that what you have found is true and you shared it as you should?
    But why do you want or expect others to make an answer? First, you address me most of the time, that shuts down anyone else. Now I see you rightly indicated this is for everyone. That is a good thing.
    Traveler, I am really doing okay going at my pace and what I want to understand. You may have a different thing that you find difficult and you are free to express it here.
    Now I have found facebook people answer and comment on every little thing so that might be a better platform if you want to talk or a reply.
    No one, however, will read and reply to difficult to understand statements on a lot of things. They normally read a bit of it and go on. That is what I have found.
    The narrator tried to close out the forum after 1 1/2 hours Saturday and we let him know that we weren’t thru and went on for another hour or so discussing. On Thursday we are talking until the end. So what are you saying?
    Please be precise so we can understand exactly what you are expecting.
    Most on here and readers value the freedom to comment or not to comment. I will wait for your reply if you feel you want to. Take Care

  4. travelers says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    We start out Hi Jacqueline, but it is in fact to all on this site we humbly ask “what do you see from your vantage point?”

    I and my fellow pursuer, partner, wife, were talking about the nature of pursuit of enlightenment in relation to the Bible, Reality, and God. In Art we read and have found to be true that the greater/higher/finer your expression the smaller your audience. Smaller you see because the greater the enlightened thoughts used when expressing your realizations in any medium of expression, the more understanding the audience has to have to “get it”.

    This seems to suggest that maybe we’ve missed that you and those on this site have a simpler approach to drawing closer to God’s frame of mind. one you’ve recommended many times we use, and one we seem to have missed entirely. We are trying to acquire the mind of Christ on our way to become one with the mind of God, of course. All religious pursuit connected to Christ acknowledges this, although maybe not in the general population, but among their elders, priests or ministers.

    So we’ve read a good deal of the attempts to make progress on this subject or that related to the Bible, say for example, ” the sword of God”. Help us here, is this to come to know more about this subject, “the sword of God”, or is it thought to be information that will have value in your process of making your mind over, putting together parts of the puzzling picture of reality that Jesus revealed. You may be using some overview you have not yet mentioned. Truth is connected, so it shouldn’t take too long looking at details to realize you are assembling something the instruction book (Bible) calls, for example a car.

    We’ve all been at this awhile, we are your brother and sister, and we want also to come to know God, if we haven’t in some “Way”. We wish to be strengthened, by a new or more efficient process of acquiring and cataloging information so that it is usable.

    We are here “asking”.

    We see the general “once saved always saved” misconception. We see the everybody good goes to heaven and the bad go to hell misconception. We see that Jesus and his disciples made clear that you must come to understand the truth that Jesus revealed or you could not be saved. We see that they tell us that you must be taught orally by someone else that understands the complete picture as far as is has been assembled up to your time. Simple is mentioned many times. When it is simple to see that research, thought and consideration combined with a helper’s/teacher’s hand would and will lead to depth of understanding, all of it connected to the bigger picture of reality. All of it drawing you and strengthening you in your stand for first, truth, then for the leader of this pursuit, God and his messenger. Only by taking the truth as your own and standing can you “see” the stand of Jesus and Yahweh, considering them friends in pursuit.

    So simple overview that you are using in common that allows you progress, please. This is not a test or confrontational statement, just an honest request.

    In the spirit of the site, “what do you see from your vantage point?”.

  5. jacqueline says:

    Hi Christopher, I thought there was this freedom in Christ among the Bible Students but was actually confronted by an elder saying I said something on the friends website that wasn’t in harmony with Russell. Matt. 18 was thrown to the side as I wanted the actual elder that was writing the emails to admin elder personal email to contact me directly. It was denied and I was told his identity would not be revealed ever and demanded to not disagree with Russell on the site. It was short of a screaming match at me by the admin of the site. By the way the elder lied, there was no such comment, we tore the site apart trying to find these supposed comments. No apology, just a veiled threat. So I finally got free from one man’s thoughts only. God had to go that harsh route to get me on his path. Christopher, so many horrible conversations by phone happened and even some in our group had to deal with intrusiveness.
    This was started out of the blue by an elder or elders within the Chicago class.
    I have several emails stating you must agree with Russell’s writings of you comment on the friends site. Brothers overheard phone conversations between me and an elder, started by him not me. The BBB was open as one call came in So brothers heard the mandates.
    Christopher I have never seen anything like the situation in my life.
    It is documented with emails and phone calls.
    But divine providence was at play. I needed to get away from those volumes. Many Christians understand the Bible as much or more than the off shoots of Russell. I am good and where I should be directly in the Bible. No books and understand better with Holy Spirit.
    You take Care of yourself and so glad you enjoy your class, they are very nice.
    Thank you for weighing in. All Bible Students can’t be painted with one brush.
    It isn’t them I object to either. I have been a student of Russell teachings all my life. I have found it isn’t true that he alone have truths. Nor do I believe his statement that if you stop studies in the scriptures you will go into darkness in 2 years. I love seeing other Christian views and reading and studying the Bible myself as I do believe the Holy Spirit of God is powerful and can help Christian to understand.
    The making of so many books become wearisome to the soul. That is just my personal feelings. Not speaking for others.
    I am finally in a relationship with God and Jesus, I can feel it. I don’t try to pull others away from their religion because we are all trying.
    Take Care, Jacqueline

  6. Christopher Johns says:

    Hey Jacqueline,
    My ecclesia is unique. We all came out of the nominal churches. We sometimes have to tell a neighboring ecclesia to stop trying to make us have an elder and try to get us to do things their ways. But we allow for all different opinions and don’t always agree with the Volumes. We read all sorts of things. I had one brother from the Laymen’s tell me that Russell sits at the right hand of Christ. Severe Russellite’s. I still believe what Russell taught but I’m not a Russellite. I don’t agree with everything he wrote and that’s ok. I love the Bible Students. The things I’ve learned are amazing. Love it. I don’t judge anyone. Do what works for you.

  7. jacqueline says:

    So, I was asked whether or not I believe any of what Russell taught? I am saying I have studied Russell for 70years, now I want to see what other men and women of faith have to say, listen to them also and in that way learn also, that’s all.
    I am not claiming I don’t need to study with and listen to others. I am saying I have learned all I can listening to Russell. For instance, contrary to what Jehovah witnesses and the Bible Students have told us, there are others that have always understood some basic truths, for instance, the Millennium.

    David Jeremiah expresses the way I understand the 1,000 years. (not every word, as he doing the best he can). I believe Jesus will actually rule on the earth for 1,000 years and rewarded followers with him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Z_u1uKOuY&t=1836s

    I learn a lot from listening to our brothers on Thursday and going on other pages on Facebook. Boreans Bible students, Ronald Day just to name a few, plus many more. I was sitting in the park when I observed a very young couple discussing and reading their Bible at the picnic table while their little kids played in the sand. Being the introvert that I am, I inquired what they were reading? They told me they were preparing for their Bible study class. They meet in a home with a few people once a week and they have had baptisms in the waters of Lake Michigan. I learned so much from them and got the impression they too were blessed from our conversation. I no longer feel I have to agree with everything another person believe to fellowship’ But I was told I had to agree with Charles Taze Russell and accept him as the seventh messenger of Revelation. I will never do that and since it is a Russelite religion and I am done studying Russell, 70 years is enough and I will enjoy the company of my family this holiday weekend as they are all off work.
    I am getting a well-rounded view from reading just the Bible with the Holy Spirit’s help also.

    I don’t mind expressing and sharing what I see but to defend my position on not adoring and worshipping Russell is really crazy.

    PS: Brothers I am replying openly on this site the answer to private messages sent to me. So sorry if I sound erratic.

  8. jacqueline says:

    I am having lots of conversations sent to me by email and text message so I am going to share them as they come in on here without the names of the individuals. The Chicago convention is this weekend (Memorial Day) and like witnesses, I am getting invites to something I am aware of since I was there for 9 years.

    I received this:
    “I am also hoping to see you at the convention this weekend at Addison Park district on Oak St. I’d love to see you.”
    Attachments area

    I answered:
    “Hi …… , I hope you are doing okay. I will not be at the Convention. I have really decided to get away from Charles Taze Russell teachings. I am doing so much better studying in a small group with just the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I found Christians don’t need one man’s writings outlining the Bible and continue to go over and over one man’s thinking on the Bible. I got to see where the teachings that enslaved me all my life came from. For that, I thank God so I could get away from men and go directly to the Bible.
    You are my friend and I enjoy my conversations with you and associations. Feel free to visit or call me anytime. But I am not interested in learning what I have studied for 70 years, namely Charles Taze Russel’s thoughts.
    So I will not be attending any of the meetings. Thanks so much for your invitation and concern.
    I hope you understand that I am a very direct person, not wanting to lead people on. So this is not directed toward you or any brothers. I just have done enough Russell for 70 years. Love you.

  9. jacqueline says:

    Chicago has made history today! Swearing in of the first openly gay married kissing in full view Mayor.
    There is an openly gay person running for President next year. I predict he will win.
    The Chicago multi-religious
    preachers all spoke of peace in God’s name.
    INSTEAD OF CHRIST, they say they are going to do it. Almost every one of the major prayers and even the judge swearing them in was openly gay.
    What is significant is this promise of Peace as the theme.
    If this Mayor solves the immense gun violence problem that exists in Chicago then the way can be paved for the coalition of forces in the spiritual realm to try to do what only Christ Kingdom is going to do.
    Do we see the “Instead of Christ” formation? Only watching and time will tell.
    Putin is already in Power, how many more of the leaders of major countries will be openly gay remains to be seen.
    Just my thoughts on what is happening today/

  10. jacqueline says:

    Please go look at this because letters are being sent to those that have just walked away. Or just scroll to the bottom and hit the last videos on the econd and third footer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wT58CD03Y8&fbclid=IwAR36AQcdCStrvDUGVQSqax62J33XKiX9BwrVS-nm0hBDZN0TZYdM3UCn39w

  11. Nubby Tope says:

    Has anyone seen the YouTube footage of Anthony Morris III of GB buying $1000 worth of booze at 11 am on a Sunday morning? Spirit guided org? No joke.

  12. jacqueline says:

    This is a link for THE BLUE LETTER BIBLE. I find this very easy to use the tools and get commentaries and hear commentaries on their thoughts on the verse. I hovered over Gen. 6 about Nephilim and learn other thoughts on their being on the earth Afterwards. (After the flood).

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/ You can also get the App installed on your phone.

    Explains how it works, very simple.
    https://freedailybiblestudy.com/5-of-the-best-free-bible-study-tools/

  13. jacqueline says:

    Thanks Nubby, I am getting an article together on How and why we can believe that all will go as God promises. Scripturally and historically. Still pacing myself.

  14. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    So glad you’re feeling better and are on the road to recovery. Nice that your family were there to support you. Maybe “nature is overcoming nurture” with them? Whatever, you’re in my prayers Sister so go steady and God & Christ keep you safe.

  15. Jacqueline says:

    Hello everyone, I am finally home after almost three months recuperating. Henry had balloons and a huge door sign welcoming me home.

    My grandchildren were the first to get out of one car and run up to my door but said, Grandma, I think you need to see your door before we open it as they smiled from ear to ear. I burst out crying, other family did also then Henry opened the door and there were balloons and a nice welcome home gift. Jeff was waiting for the call that I was on the way and he would have been there but Henry had the wrong number.

    My son and I agreed the grandchildren were learning lessons here also as our family has been healing from Georgia, Alabama, to Illinois, California, and Indiana.

    My Family is Jehovah witnesses and they behaved like Christians and Love was the quality I saw in action. My children and one wife did more than say I am sorry for the difficult actions against me because I chose to leave the family religion and seek Jesus directly without going through the organization. I also have to admit not being on an attack website helped to ease the tensions also. All family knows about this new website and the fact we are just here to help those having a difficult time adjusting and give them a place to rest a bit until they can stand on their own two feet.

    There are lots of help on the internet for those with anger that they absolutely must be allowed to vent and cry out in their sorrow of a life controlled and ruined,

    Then they move on to websites that acknowledge their pain but also offer a chance to get to Jesus with friends standing behind them. Also to share with us what the Spirit reveals to them.
    Finally, they are on their way to inner peace and can forgive any action sent their way because now they are free.

    Thank you for reading and I am so glad by God’s Grace, an undeserved kindness, I survived my stroke and pneumonia, healing took place in our family and now I AM HOME. A threefold cord, Praise Him!

  16. jacqueline says:

    Good Morning, Today is going to be a great day. Find a person that makes you happy and spend as much time with them as possible!
    Worship God and Jesus today. The Gospels will lift your spirit as we move toward that time to Remember Him and celebrate the Memorial of his great sacrificial death. Smile at 10 people today! It will change your brain.

  17. jacqueline says:

    I would like to publicly thank all of the friends from this site for their emails and prayer text messages for my swift recovery. I need those prayers.
    I had clients that weren’t aware I was sick just text to say thinking of you. They were moved some said to just text me at this new year, not knowing what happened. Jeff, Tia, Rena, Yuna, Greg and client Greg, Andrea, dozens of classmates in this site, Henry and so many more. I appreciate your deep love and concern. My family have all stepped up to encourage and help me. Thank you so much. And thank God for his mercies

  18. jacqueline says:

    If you are facing one of the biggest battles in your life now, GET EXCITED ABOUT IT!
    God does not give big battles to little soldiers. Let’s not compare ourselves to anybody just do what you can. This thing that we are in the end so we have to hurry and get in a class is manmade. Be the tortoise not the hare and you will get where God wants you to be.
    Hopefully more can join our simple but joyful study of the Bible only. No books.

  19. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    Sorry to hear you’ve been ill recently; please get well soon as you’re such an encouragement to us all here. You’re in my prayers Sis.

  20. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I sent an email to the entire group with an update. Thank you.

  21. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Dear Sr Jacqueline
    I didn’t know anything happened to you! I’m so sorry! My love and prayers are with you. Please, if you can, have someone in our group provide me an update as to what happened and how you are doing.
    Sincere Christian love

  22. jacqueline says:

    Hello everybody. My family is the greatest. I am surrounded by them and some flew in. My mother and father would be so happy. I am getting so much support that the doctor says I am improving hour by hour not day by day. I will not be able to post back to you. My speech is improving and hand has been greatly improved. Love you. Thanks for the prayers!

  23. jacqueline says:

    TedR, so this is one aspect of the conversation I tried to have with the admin of the friendsofJehovahwitnesses site. They are writing a fabricated history and are actually believing it and it is being repeated on facebook under a page of the difference in Bible students and Jehovah Witnesses. They are the same except the witnesses are more adhesive and organized than the Bible students.
    The witnesses are more like Charles Taze Russell’s organization. He had corporations and he used the Studies In The Scriptures as God-given law, as if it was the Bible itself. Like the Watchtower.
    The Bible students invited me to join a Whatsapp discussion last week to finish the SITS in 2 years by using 5 pages a day. They go through these books over and over again like they are the Bible. They quote what “pastor” Russell says from these volumes as if they are the Bible. For me, it was idolatry to sit and hear this quoting of a dead man and saying a vow unto the lord of a dead man that refused to admit he was committing adultery and made this false vow to God that people repeat over and over again and hardly any of them can keep it especially those in the medical field or in a field of supervisor or authority, because of a man that they worship. They call him pastor when this is a part of the Nicolaitan teaching that Jesus said he hated. (Nico-clergy, laitan-laity).
    Russell like the watchtower society and the Bible students (not all of them, however, just the Russellite segment) says you will go into darkness if you stop studying like a ritual these old 18th century musing of a host of men that were trying to put together what they saw in that century.
    Daniel, however, showed that in the time of the end it would become clearer. So who would keep regurgitating these thoughts over and over again, year in and year out?
    Jehovah Witnesses and Rutherford have as their founder Charles Taze Russell along with the other offshoots of Bible Students with their confusion of differences.
    Some xjw turned BS get upset with me when I refuse to discuss the teachings of Russell and instead refer to the teachings of the Bible without reference to the 6 volumes of the scriptures.
    Most of these xjw have never gone to dozens of conventions all over the country and attended dozens of their meetings to see how it amounts to worship of Russell and the Studies In The Scriptures.
    They only have online experiences with them and that is why they can’t see what I experienced.
    And that is okay for each of us have our experiences and can only make a decision on what we have seen. Many are getting a lot of knowledge from being on the Bible Student sites and talking with them and that is a good thing as all religions have some great truths, even the Jehovah Witnesses. A broken clock even is correct twice a day.
    I TedR can’t go back into the same thing I dug myself out of, the thoughts and writings of Charle Taze Russell.
    Jehovah witnesses and The Bible Students are the same basic religion, and re-writing a new history does not change that.
    I have the videos of Raymond Franz at the end of every page.

  24. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Here is an interesting video, what are your thoughts? It is a video commenting on a WT article from 1910 in Ray Franz book I Search of Christian Freedom regard statements made in that article.
    https://youtu.be/KrR1DLtEbMQ

  25. jacqueline says:

    Greg and Ted, so glad you guys are keeping everything moving. I heard from Marjo and Una. They both are doing what I am doing enjoying our kids and me grandkids. Una had a standing reading and explanation of the story and reason for Jesus to come into the world and die. Her family and friends had a joyous day. Marjo has her husband’s son with them also for the holiday period and she sent photos of their joy. I visited family at my birth city. I now have all five if my grands. So you see we are in bliss and out of touch until after school starts January 7th. They said to let you know, it’s family time!
    May God bless us all.

  26. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Barbara Anderson.
    Seasons Greetings!

    SCAARS, which is the acronym for a new 501(c)(4) non-profit lobbying corporation, Sexual Child Abuse – Advocates for Reform and Safety (SCAARS), has attached a gift for you of the trial transcript of Nunez v. Watchtower (426 pages). That Montana trial began the afternoon of September 24, 2018.

    SCAARS was formed by Barbara Anderson, former Watchtower insider, and former Jehovah’s Witness elder, Roger Bentley and his wife, Karin. The date of incorporation was October 3, 2018.

    On the Home Page of the SCAARS website, scaars.org, you will find information that explains the goal of the movement – SCAARS, “Changing Laws – Changing Lives.”

    Please share the Nunez v. Watchtower trial transcript. It costs over $800 to purchase this transcript from the court, but it was a gift to SCAARS. Be assured that this material is a public domain document.

    It is important that as many people as possible read the extraordinary information found in the Nunez v. Watchtower transcript, so share, share and share it some more with everyone you know just like we are sharing it with everyone we know.

    Sincerely,
    SCAARS Board of Directors

    Nunez v. Watchtower (Montana Jury Awards $35,000,000 to JW Child Abuse Victim)
    Trial Transcript: 426 pages in PDF format.

    https://scaarscaorg.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/nunez-v-watchtower.pdf

    Attorney for the Plaintiff, Neil Smith’s excellent closing arguments are found on pages 412 through 415 of the transcript.

  27. jacqueline says:

    I was moved by the long friendships of these young ladies and their 100 years of life being credited to their faith and God. Not once did I hear them say they were special. Their worship forged friendships not break them up. I accept my journey and am happy but now I will read and cheer the journey of other believers in Christ. Enjoy.
    https://www.facebook.com/1842900639/posts/10210449210426886/

  28. jacqueline says:

    Kevin, HELLO!! long time since we have talked. You can post your story here. I don’t think Dawn will send it to us.
    Kevin the Bible students don’t have a headquarters, Dawn is a class and not a headquarters.
    So you can post your story here if you like.

  29. Kevin Davis says:

    Kevin things are well now I will send the dawn a letter for them to.send to you in about 3 or 4 months of my story Kevin Davis

  30. anonymous says:

    John Aquilla Brown wrote the things Russell takes credit for before he was born.

    From Jehovah’s Witnesses: Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, pp. 133-134:
    “of the Gentile Times
    The matter of Bible chronology had long been of great interest to Bible students. Commentators had set out a variety of views on Jesus’ prophecy about “the times of the Gentiles” and the prophet Daniel’s record of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream regarding the tree stump that was banded for “seven times.”—Luke 21:24, KJ; Dan. 4:10-17.

    As early as 1823, John A. Brown, whose work was published in London, England, calculated the”seven times” of Daniel chapter 4 to be 2,520 years in length. But he did not clearly discern the date with which the prophetic time period began or when it would end. He did, however, connect these “seven times” with the Gentile Times of Luke21:24.

    True, John Aquila Brown published the book The Even-Tide in 1823 in which he taught that the Gentile Times was a period of 2,520 years that went from 604 BC to 1917 AD. However, for Brown, the end of the Gentile Times meant the “transcendant ‘glory of Israel'” and was related to the natural Jewish nation (see title page).

    The chapter on the 2,520 years from Brown’s book The Even-Tide (about 2 MB) can be downloaded from this file sharing site:

    http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=e91866a43723c510c1c874de52217f34
    This is old so won’t work now.

    Read more here: B. Anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/examining-apocalypticism/#more-4839
    From the mid-1920s, a man by the name of Frederick Franz, born in 1893, assumed the role as the “oracle” or “visionary” that came up with most of Jehovah’s Witnesses interpretive religious ideas. He went blind in the early 1980s and completely senile later that same decade. He died in 1992 at the age of 99. It was Franz that came up with the 1975 dogma that Jehovah’s Witnesses proclaimed far and wide as “truth” without any proof at all. The failure of that prediction caused over 500,000 Witnesses to abandon their religion. Many Witness leaders blamed Franz.

    When I was part of the Watch Tower’s Writing Department staff, I examined Franz’s vast personal library in his office. The bookshelves contained scores of old worn books that discussed religious topics. Nine years later, after my association with the Witnesses ended, I began a research project on the subject under consideration and realized that Franz basically took information from those old books on his bookshelves and redeveloped 15th to the 19th century religious ideas about the “last days” and branded them as “new truths” under the guise of “progressive revelation,” just like the founder of the Bible Student movement, C. T. Russell, did before him.

  31. jacqueline says:

    Hi Valleygirl, I do remember being asked to go to the root of what happened with our deception by going directly to the founder of the Jehovah witness organization and its other little groups, Charles Taze Russell. Rutherford just carried on the wishes his mentor, Russell.
    At the time Valleygirl, I was on a journey and hearing an entirely different story. I was trusting. I don’t regret the journey because for a minute I got a rest from the experience with the Jehovah Witnesses.
    But when I began asking questions and refusing to accept what were absurd doctrines to me, the honeymoon ended and stuff got real! Russell as the Laodacian Angel and the Faithful slave was too much for me again. So now I am listening to you and others.
    Many tried to warn me and get me to check out things but this journey put me in the belly and I know both sides.
    Now I go straight to Jehovah God thru Jesus with the help of the Holy Spirit. I threw away all those books. So let’s talk.

  32. jacqueline says:

    Jubal, thank you for commenting and welcome. I remember in the 1950’s when the watchtower had an article talking about this statement! I didn’t read all of the link but must go back and finish it tonight.
    How dare a mere man claim he is so great that his writings aside from the Bible can give us God’s plan.
    The messenger has sometimes been flawed even if God sent him or helped him, BUT THE MESSAGE HAS NEVER BEEN FLAWED!
    Jesus said the householder would prepare if he knew when the thief was coming, therefore no man knows not even the Son Jesus (the thief) the day or the hour. Satan (the householder) could figure it out if Jesus could so what makes this man predict 1914 as the end of the world. Also, parousia means Coming as well as a presence. And nowhere in the Bible does he say it would be invisible but rather.
    Matthew 24:23-27 English Standard Version (ESV)
    23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Not one man seeing him invisibly.

    The character of this man’s disrespect for women with his wife living in the same home.

    “ABOUT “PASTOR” RUSSELL 29 —-he said, “What is it?” and I said, “Rose has told me
    that you have been very intimate with her and that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her on no account to tell me, but she couldn’t keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that.”
    ” he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said, “I am not your wife.” and he said, “I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife.”
    Q. Then, what other terms were used?

    A. Then he said, “I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds, I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others,” and she wrote that out so that I could remember if for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.” See pages 23 onward for details.

    So The Messenger and the Message appears to me to be from an egotistical man who started an empire of deception.

  33. Jubal says:

    Jacqueline. I’ve read your link to “Some facts and more facts about Charles Taze Russell”
    and I found it to be an eye opening experience. For instance under the heading \”42 facts and more facts\” it says: \”If the six volumes of
    \’Scripture Studies\’ are practically the Bible, topi-
    cally arranged, with Bible proof texts given, we
    might not improperly name the volumes \’the Bible
    in an arranged form.\’ That is to say, they are not
    mere comments on the Bible, but they are practi-
    cally the Bible itself. Furthermore, not only do we
    find that people cannot see the Divine plan in study-
    ing the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if
    anyone lays the \’Scripture Studies\’ aside, even after
    he has used them, after he has become familiar
    with them, after he has read them for ten years— if
    he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes
    to the Bible alone, though he has understood his
    Bible for ten years, our experience shows that with-
    in two years he goes into darkness. On the other
    hand, if he had merely read the \’Scripture Studies\’
    with their references and had not read a page of the
    Bible as such he would be in the light at the end of
    two years, because he would have the light of the
    Scriptures.\” (Watchtower September 15th 1910)
    That’s a shocking statement! There’s more spiritual strength in the “Scripture Studies\”
    alone than reading the Bible by itself??????

  34. valleygirl says:

    Jacqueline, I am still reading thru this and will comment when I finish but I have asked you to talk about this before but you weren’t open to it. I am glad to see this discussion. I really need to go to the source and see how this movement developed.
    So far I see a lot of parallels between the present-day witness organization and what Russell was setting up. His set up with the infirmary, the different corporations, the Bethel like situation with men staying there and forever changing his answers when presented in your face evidence reminds me of our present-day governing body. Rutherford followed exactly what Russell started and the witnesses are more directly from Russell now with their set up.
    So I will come back when I finish my read but I am glad you are willing to listen to what we at least have to say on this. Thank you so much for opening this up. I need to know!

  35. jacqueline says:

    This is an interesting website I came across when I was looking up information on how the Watchtower organization was formed. It seems it was formed while Russell was alive and the annual meeting was held and the shuffling of money in different corporations happened long before Rutherford took over and was started by Russell.
    This is homework I should have done 8 years ago but God took me on the journey so I could hear one story and see the actual true story compiled a century ago. Interesting.
    https://archive.org/stream/SomeFactsAndMoreFactsAboutCharlesTazeRussell/1913_Some_Facts_More_Facts_About_Russell__djvu.txt

  36. jacqueline says:

    This is why Jehovah says to “get out of her my people” (Rev 18). Organized religions are havens for child sexual abuse and if people would leave these institutions and go directly to God in small groups they could protect their children. Baptist Church in my area + more. Just disgusting, I remember this first case.
    https://www.star-telegram.com/living/religion/article222576310.html?fbclid=IwAR3DDlEGK5euGGK-ixge4v0xsUOsZrHQzwCgCq0aJ-hfHn_AUWGSO9fdQSQ

    If you live in California there is a petition here: Also great info on cults.
    https://familiesagainstcultteachings.blogspot.com/2018/11/clergy-sex-abuse-ca-attorney-generals.html?fbclid=IwAR00CltrhGPNQjUCMYPRuRPkpOytk6vRpmRHdBYSu4nVSacUadfBc0wrssE

  37. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    So true! We follow Christ not man or man made organizations!

  38. Jacqueline says:

    You can not get healed in the same place that hurt you.
    When it comes to Spiritual healing go directly to the Bible as God never hurt you, men did.
    Organized religious systems are basically the same just packaged differently or closely.
    It can just be a different kind of crazy!

  39. jacqueline says:

    I watched the funeral for George Bush today and pondered on the many scriptures they used and the fact there was a sense they know about resurrection as the Bible teaches.
    I look and listen more now to get a sense of how I was taught only persons claiming to have “The Truth” understand the deep things of the Bible. More and more I see that is not true. Other Christians are digging also and no one religion has all truth some approach it prophetically, some from Love others from life lessons to get from the Bible. When we listen to many voices we get a rounded view of the Bible.
    I noticed that I understood why they read the scriptures they did without interpretation, just simply read it and the words spoke for themselves.
    Strange it took 70 years for me to finally consider the Bible, but better late than never.

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