Helpful websites

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Research websites:

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Research by Ted R on the early Church

I think it\\\’s fascinating that the various arguments regarding the Trinity still exist today. (TedR)
https://www.youtube.com/user/NileRoan
History of the Christian Church
https://youtu.be/5b4KcY6osE4 Early Issues with the Trinity
https://youtu.be/b9AYVtGxHYg Arianism Part 1
https://youtu.be/iSdlU3OymSw Arianism Part 2

https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob17.htm

Apocryphal: http://scriptural-truth.com/apocrypha_books.html

https://avoidjw.org/

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/latest-updates.php

https://www.verdadtj.com/

From Jeff Mezera New Watchtower History Channel on You tube
We hope to film another by the end of this week or early next week.
This website has Bob Carnegie on it, going through Bible prophecy check through the list to find part 1, etc.

http://www.labiblestudents.org/schedule.html

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN 1975? Read a summary below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMgfesXyGUQ&t=0s&index=2&list=PLK1gOYgViC5BvAzqciHnXwI04s5M8hs-D

Russell, Rutherford and the governing Body

https://medium.com/@janhaugland/the-successor-problem-ed79df215f80

http://www.watchthetower.net/russ1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6_pGwNtzA&t=1s

https://www.jwfacts.com/

Changed teachings 1800 to present.

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php

http://www.jwstruggle.com/

https://herald-magazine.com/

Dr. Charles Stanley talks about Family Issues and Encouragement

https://www.intouch.org/listen

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chuck+missler+nephilim

 

 

 

 

 

23 Responses to Helpful websites

  1. jacqueline says:

    Len Griehs on behalf of The Pastoral Bible Institute

    Dear Brethren

    The Pastoral Bible Students Institute has just published The Revised Version Improved and Corrected (RVIC) Bible. It is the 50-plus-year-work of Brother James Parkinson, who began researching manuscripts while a student at the University of Michigan (which possessed one of the world’s largest manuscript libraries). Beginning with the British (1885) and American (1901) Versions, translation revisions were made based on hundreds of New Testament Greek manuscripts as well as the Old Testament Dead Sea Scrolls. The evidence for these revisions is summarized in numerous footnotes.

    The Preface and Appendices present information that will help readers determine the confidence of revisions at a glance and also how to determine the relative accuracy of dozens of other English translations. Interpretation is excluded from the footnotes (except for the historical notes suggested in the Book of Daniel).

    The Bible, printed in Belarus, comes in an 8 1/2″ x 11″ size of 918 pages (approximately an inch thick) in an elegant, superior grade (German Meriva) black leather binding, with gold stamp and gold gilding. The goal of the RVIC is to make available the most accurate translation of the Bible at an affordable price

    Distribution of The RVIC is being made through the Chicago Bible Students book page. For ordering information, please go to

    https://chicagobible.org/product/rvic-revised-version-improved-and-corrected

  2. jacqueline says:

    From the desk of Jeff Mezera:
    Jacqueline,

    We’ve done some filming and a couple of videos are up on our WT History Youtube channel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DkOpEnabM

    We hope to film another by the end of this week or early next week.

    Jeff

    This is the Watchtower New History Channel

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DkOpEnabM

  3. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Another detailed history of the Watchtower organization. Very well presented with scans of documents used in the video.
    https://youtu.be/u5JnngqQYvc

  4. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I always try to keep in mind we are created individuals by someone, God and Jesus. The other alternative if we have a problem with the way he is working things out is to ask him to let go and we all go up in a flaming fire!

    I for one am glad he will take us on a one on one basis and not let others decide He should do it their way or give it up.
    I think He has been very tolerant for longer than I would have but those just born and who will be born tomorrow will appreciate His patience and that He let them get in on this beautiful thing called life.
    Good vs evil but Satan is not the opposite of God thank goodness. That would mean he has power on par with God, but he doesn’t.
    I enjoyed the discussion it created thought.

  5. Lee Anthony says:

    It just occurred to me that if evil is opposite of good so when good was made the opposite was now possible; Satan had knowledge of both but would be the 1st to choose to go against Gods ways and therefore bad is chosen and sin is sinned and now we have a beginning of sin and a start to evil… indirect creation of that which is good, is that which is bad IF it is chosen or even considered at all, it don’t matter cause it’s there waiting and already known but is wisely being turned away from by all until satan. Hmmm…. I think I like this one for now, it keeps God from being bad and blames satan for more than most know he is even in trouble for at all in the first place. 🤔

  6. Lee Anthony says:

    According to Genesis The knowledge of good and evil existed before man, and God and other spirit beings knew about good and evil. Of course not all practiced evil, we know one who did according to scripture, satan was bad before man sinned as he was a liar from the beginning and a sinner from the beginning. So problem: sin leads to death but did sin result in the origin of evil?
    In Genesis : The LORD God said, “Since the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever.”

    Us, Here would be God and whoever or whatever being he was speaking too, he stated they knew good and evil.

    The reading of scripture shows the flaw in the argument and seems to show that there must be more to it than Mr Stewart’s 3 possibilities.

  7. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, great point about original sin. The Bible does say the devil was sinning from the beginning. hmmm
    Let me post what Don Stewart says and see if it makes sense.

    Don Stewart: Did God Create Evil?

    One of the great questions facing those who believe the Bible is the problem of evil. If God is all-loving and all-powerful, then why do we have evil in the universe? Did God create evil? If so, why did He do it? Would that not make Him a bad God?

    The other possibility is that God is a good God, but does not have the ability to do anything about evil. This would mean that God is a good God, but not all-powerful.

    So which is it? Is God a bad God and won’t do anything about evil, or is He a good God and cannot do anything about evil?

    Actually there is a third possibility. God is neither bad nor limited in His power. It is true that if God created evil it would make Him a bad God. But this is not the case. Evil came as a result of sin, and sin is something that God did not want in the universe.

    Christianity Recognizes Evil

    Unlike many religions, Christianity recognizes that evil does exist. The Bible, in both testaments, acknowledges that the world is presently in an evil state.

    Humanity Is Responsible For Evil

    However, the origin of evil lies not with God but with humanity. When God created human beings He gave them a choice to obey or disobey. When Adam and Eve chose to disobey God they brought evil into the universe. Evil is an action or relationship, not a created substance.

    Did God Create Evil?

    One passage of Scripture seems to teach that God created evil. In the King James Bible Isaiah 45:7 reads the following.

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things

    However, this is not what the original Hebrew says. The word translated “evil” is the word ra. It also means sorrow, calamity, disaster, afflictions, and adversity. Modern translations have correctly translated the passage with a different English word such as the following example.

    I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things (Isaiah 45:7).

    Therefore the Scriptures do not teach that God was the originator of evil. read more here:
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1379.cfm

  8. Lee Anthony says:

    I agree with everything having an opposite, I have a scripture here that I didn’t include before that sheds light on some of the information shared.

    (1 John 3:8-10)
    8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9 Whoever is born of God doesn\’t commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can\’t sin, because he is born of God.
    10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn\’t do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn\’t love his brother.

    Key points.
    1. the devil has been sinning from beginning.
    2. Yeshua revealed to destroy the works of the devil.
    3. There are children (sons and daughters) of God and children of the devil, so not all mankind as tradition has it are children of God.

    Note: The idea of original sin seemingly does not have its origins with Adam as tradition would have it, but with the devil.

  9. jacqueline says:

    Tina, I am doing fine. I agree we all have walked by faith and still do, also there are scriptures being fulfilled in Israel thus making seeing along with faith.
    I am so glad you didn’t believe the Bible Student brothers that said I had taken a break from God. I think they may have meant or thought I have taken a break from the Bible students.
    No, I have not taken a break from the teachings of Russell, I have thrown them out and going through the Bible and directly to Jehovah through Jesus.
    It isn’t the individual brothers but they are enamored by Russell and his teachings and I wish them the best as we all can go to God.
    I am no better than them and they are no better than me. God regards all of us as the same, redeemed humans.
    We, you, they can go into the Bible without having to adhere to creeds and doctrine taught by a man over 100 years ago. I know they love him and I don’t have a problem with that but the invoking of Russell’s vow to god as their ritual was just a breaking point for me. That was religious fornication to me sticking the “Shoot” under his nose on morality that he had a seemingly problem with and his followers keep it up.
    I can’t waste what little of my life I have left following men and their devotion to books and magazines and rich organizations.

    I am so glad you reached out to me to see if it was true that I had left God. I would not want you to think I would ever leave the worship of Jehovah God but I have added the worship of Jesus Christ to the glory of God to my worship and dismissed the worship of the teachings of Russell. These scriptures below allow me to put Jesus where the governing body and Russell have stood.
    Take Care of yourself Tina and may God Bless You too, we made it. Now we can look in the Bible ourselves with God by our side. Love you.

    Heb. 1:6 “And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

    Matthew 14:33 ESV /
    And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

    Matthew 28:17 ESV /
    And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.

    1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV /
    Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

    Acts 7:59 ESV /
    And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

    John 20:28 ESV /
    Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

    Matthew 2:11 ESV /
    And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

    Isaiah 9:6 ESV /
    For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    Philippians 2:9-11 ESV /
    Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Like 24:52 Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

    John 9:38 ESV /
    He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

    Matthew 28:9 ESV /
    And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

    Hebrews 13:8 ESV /
    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

  10. Tina says:

    2 cor 5:7 tells us we walk by faith not by sight!
    Seeing is Not believing if you have faith.
    Well I wish you well and God bless you! Have a great day.

  11. jacqueline says:

    Tina, we must have been writing at the same time. I saw your comment above when I posted mine and you have done the legwork on this one, thanks.
    So whether over or on, like President Trump is ruling over the United States.
    He isn’t in Heaven at all but here in the United States on its soil.

    But as you mentioned one could be in heaven since we are talking about Jesus, a God, and his glorified followers.
    So let me suggest that we are really talking about “WHERE” they are ruling FROM since we agree it is power or control over the earth.

    Point 1: John 14:19 You are accurate, Jesus definitely will be alive and the rulers with him will be alive. It does not say however anything about “where in that scripture. So we agree they will live. Without adding to the text.

    Point 2: Acts 1:11 without adding to the text Jesus would come back the same way in the clouds, in the air.
    1Thess 4:17 “After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so
    we will be with the Lord forever.”
    Both of these scriptures agree, that the dead in Christ and the changed ones will meet Him in the air, in the clouds and will be with him forever. Where he goes they will go and we see him in Revelation going to the earth to Jerusalem to sit on the “Throne of DAVID”. There is a host of scripture on that. David’s throne is not in heaven, it is in Israel and during the thousand years Jesus will fulfill this scripture.
    We would have to add to the word to say they meet him in heaven. It says in the air in the clouds and the change takes place and He is later shown coming to earth on A White Horse.

    I noticed you used the words “with the eyes of understanding”. Russell made this up to cover for the failed prophecy of 1914 and said His return was invisible and these special “eyes of understanding” thing was made up. This is a term used often by our former religion to denote specialness but it isn’t used in the Bible. The Bible is often quite clear I have found Tina if I throw out my old ideas and don’t add to the text but assume:
    GOD says what He means and means what he says. Nothing says they went to heaven at that time before the thousand-year reign of Christ.

    Point 3: You mentioned
    Ephesian 1:18 “I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, ( now I will add thru verse 21)
    Eph 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength
    Eph 1:20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,
    Eph 1:21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

    God clearly says Jesus is in Heaven sitting at the right hand of God (vs20,21) It doesn’t mention the thousand years here or anyone sitting there with him other than God.

    Tina I have learned to slow down and take the Bible for what it actually says. Our brains have been messed up by studying a bunch of books and watchtowers.
    WE ARE SOME OF THE MOST INDOCTRINATED PEOPLE ON THE EARTH, including people that study the book of Mormons and the Koran, etc.
    People like us have studied not the Bible but BOOKS with the thoughts of the men who wrote these books.
    These men told us they were appointed by God, Special, with no scriptures to back it up.
    I was born into this indoctrination process, others caught at vulnerable moments were sectioned off from other Christians and taught from first “Studies In The Scriptures” and then the watchtowers and other publications of the watchtower society.

    Tina thanks for the deep thoughts you got together and the Strong’s and other great works explaining the meaning of words.
    Many will benefit from these lookups. I like you found it and it saved me time.

    Our purpose is not to sway your thoughts but to start you thinking, and I see you have started that on your own. Keep it up Tina along with prayer.

    I had to constantly listen to other Bible men to wipe out those expressions and erroneous thoughts I was taught by men that couldn’t accept they were wrong in their many predictions of the end of the world with their date setting. That is what all of their doctrines are centered around, inability to admit and correct by going directly into the Bible.

    Many within both movements are getting into the Bible directly now and putting down those old books. I like talking to you and I followed your line of reasoning well.

    You put a scripture at the end of your text to me and don’t probably know why you did but another person and I realize it might have been a thought for me to consider. Thank you. You can go look at your last scripture and wonder like me. LOL, It was appropriate however because of an opportunity that came up.

  12. jacqueline says:

    Tina, I have read what you are asking about Rev 5:10 “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign[fn] on the EARTH.” NIV (bold added by me). I notice the difference over vs on. So I will look up other versions wording of this text
    I will go in word and answer each question one by one. Of course I don’t have to be right but I will give it my best shot and others will weigh in on this for sure as this is not just my site. And I am sure many will agree with you about immediately going to heaven but I will try not to add to the text but go by what the scripture actually says and you really posted some good ones to analyze.
    Be back after coffee and my getting it together in word documents then paste.

  13. jacqueline says:

    Hello, Tina welcome. Thanks so much for your comment. I think you are talking about the scripture in Genesis. I am just so glad to hear from you and see you are not just accepting things but thinking it through.

    Genesis 6:4 ” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.”
    This is a direct quote from the Bible. The Bible doesn’t say how the Nephilim came to be in the earth afterward, it is silent on that aspect but David and his men fought them and Jehovah said to even kill the women and children because this appeared to be a matter of the genes, not the mass slaughter of human children.
    Now articles and videos that you see on the site might be contributed or put there to give a different viewpoint on how to look at scripture.
    This site isn’t about teaching ones, it is about waking up their mind and making it think as you just did beautifully as you saw this. You reasoned on it and responded in defense. Jesus often challenged the Jew’s thoughts to make them see what was actually written.

    That is good, you are thinking, God bless you. Perhaps you will dig a little and pray for help to reconcile there being Nephilim in the earth after the flood
    I agree with you that all living things breathing under the heavens was destroyed in the flood as it says in the scripture below.

    Gen 6:17 “I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish.”

    So how did Nephilim get back on the earth? There is as you said much speculation, and since God wrote it, He must have known we would wonder.

    In fact, even Jesus told us that the same conditions in Noah’s day would be again.
    As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. I am quoting only one verse but a careful read of the entire text and the words will give more insight.
    Matt 24:38 “For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;”

    I like that you applied the scripture at 2Thess 2:1 because we have been talking about what that delusion would be and I for one haven’t a clear thought but can just wait it out until it becomes clearer.

    So now you see the site, it is about letting others express their thoughts and not changing what they see with force or negative talk against them, but reason.
    It works Tina, it has helped many come out of the fog of Old doctrine which really came from one set of men and they would probably have something to say in defense of or might change their thoughts if they were alive today. They were Christian men also.

    Like I say we aren’t here to teach or change your thoughts but to let you express how you see it and you have done a great job. Most of it is what we were taught.
    Also, I used to think God cleared up things during the flood but now I know it was at the Cross on Calgary that it all got done. When Jesus faithfully accomplished all he was sent to do and ransomed all of Adam’s children only, his brother had caused our death but as in levirate marriage arrangements in Israel, He raised up children for his dead brother Adam. (Now I know this thought causes the synapsin the brain to start spinning. LOL)

    Again so glad to hear from you Tina and feel free to express yourself here. I am going to get some coffee and look over your next comment. I have had family over this morning and the free conference calling last night so I need brain fuel.
    Take Care, Jacqueline

  14. Tina says:

    Dear Jacqueline, I find it very unreasonable that anyone would believe or even think that the children of the nephelim lived past the flood. That was the purpose of the flood, to rid the earth of unrighteousness. That’s why the flood was so high, bc it had to kill off the high breeds of the nephelim. But 2 Thess 2:11; tells us that “God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    I wouldn’t even have such a video up on my site bc it bn refutes the bible and the whole reason of the flood..
    Do you really think God’s purpose was not fulfilled in the flood.
    This thought of the children of the nephelim lived past the flood is growing ever more popular. Sad that people don’t believe God is strong enough to accomplish his purpose!

    Sincerely Tina.

  15. Tina says:

    Dear Jacqueline, here is strongs concordance explanation of Epi:
    G1909
    Original: ἐπί

    Transliteration: epi

    Phonetic: ep-ee’

    Thayer Definition:

    upon, on, at, by, before
    of position, on, at, by, over, against
    to, over, on, at, across, against
    Origin: a root

    TDNT entry: None

    Part(s) of speech: Preposition

    Strong’s Definition: A primary preposition properly meaning superimposition (of time, place, order, etc.), as a relation of distribution [with the genitive case], that is, over, upon, etc.; of rest (with the dative case) at, on, etc.; of direction (with the accusative case) towards, upon, etc.: – about (the times), above, after, against, among, as long as (touching), at, beside, X have charge of, (be-, [where-]) fore, in (a place, as much as, the time of, -to), (because) of, (up-) on (behalf of) over, (by, for) the space of, through (-out), (un-) to (-ward), with. In compounds it retains essentially the same import, at, upon, etc. (literally or figuratively).

    So I can’t agree with you on the bride and Christ ruling ON the earth. Especially since they will be immortal, (in the Divine nature). And if you look at John 14:19;, Jesus tell’s us, “Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. ”
    Also if you look at acts 1:11; “Men of galilee, ” they said, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven. ” My question to you is how did he go? Acts 1:9; tells us. “After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud HID him from their sight.” This shows us that when he left it was in a cloud hid from their vision. In like manner he would return. Only those with the eyes of their understanding would recognize his return.Eph 1:18;. It wasn’t the whole world he was in a relationship with, no. But his apostles. Part of the church class. The bride. He went away quietly and unnoticed to the world. In like manner he would return. I hope this helps you.

    Sincerely Tina.

  16. Tina says:

    Dear Jacqueline, here are some thoughts about Rev 5:10;
    Revelation 5:10 and “EPI”: “On” or “Over”?

    According to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Revelation 5:10 reads:

    “and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule over[Gk ‘epi’]the Earth.”

    Surprisingly, we have come across a website that calls the New World Translation’s rendering of the Greek word ‘epi’ by “over” as a “mistranslation”, even calling upon their readers to check that this is so with regard to other translations and Greek Lexicons, though none are cited to justify this criticism!

    Following is an e-mail we sent in this matter to the owner of that website:

    “Dear Sir,

    We were interested to see that you call the New World Translation’s rendering of ‘epi’ as “over” at Revelation 5:10 as a “mistranslation”. Our question is why?

    The following translations also translate “epi” here as over:

    The New Testament in the Language of the People–C.B.Williams
    The New Testament in Modern Speech–Weymouth
    The Holy Scriptures, A New Translation from the Original Languages–Darby
    The Complete Bible in Modern English–Fenton
    The Holy Bible,A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals–Knox
    The Modern Language Bible-New Berkeley Version
    The Bible, An American Translation–Goodspeed.
    The Amplified Bible
    The Unvarnished New Testament–Gaus.
    Holy Bible, An American Translation– W.F.Beck.
    Compare also Marshall’s Interlinear which says under the word ‘epi’ at Rev.5:10 – “on(?over)”
    See also these well known Greek-English Lexicons:

    A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Arndt and Gingrich(p.286)– b.fig.-a.over of power,authority,control of or over someone or someth…….Rv 5:10. and
    The New Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament(p.231)–A.with the GENITIVE…. d.fig.used of things,affairs persons,which one is set over,over which he exercises power…..Rev.[5].10.
    Can you still call the New World Translation’s rendering here, in all fairness, a “mistranslation”? Are you not being guilty of misleading some of your readers who will not bother to check up your statements for themselves and just accept what you have alleged? Are we to expect that this ‘example’ of a “mistranslation” by the New World Translation will now be removed from your web pages?

    Cordially Yours ……………………..

    As yet we have had no answer and the said criticism still appears on the site.

    When “epi” is used with a verb denoting authority/rulership then “epi” indicates the compass of that authority/rulership. If a search is made of the Greek N.T. where “basileuw[to reign as a king]epi” occurs(as it does in Revelation 5:10)you will be able to see that in every case “epi” means “over”, eg., Luke 1:33; Acts7:18.

    Interestingly, Micah 4:7LXX contains the same verb “to reign as a king” with the prepositions “epi” and “en” and is translated by Brenton as “and the Lord shall reign over[basileuw epi] them in[en] mount Zion.”

    Two commentaries that support the rendering of EPI as “over.”

    1) Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible of Jamieson, Fausset and Brown:

    “…KELLY translates, “reign over the earth” (Greek, “epi tees gees”), which is justified by the Greek (Septuagint, Judges 9:8, Matthew 2:22). The elders, though ruling over the earth, shall not necessarily (according to this passage) remain on the earth….”

    Note here that translating EPI at Revelation 5:10 as “over” is “justified by the Greek.”

    2) John Wesley’s Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible comments on Revelation 5:10.

    “And hast made them – The redeemed. So they speak of themselves also in the third person, out of deep self – abasement. They shall reign over the earth – The new earth: herewith agree the golden crowns of the elders. The reign of the saints in general follows, under the trumpet of the seventh angel; particularly after the first resurrection, as also in eternity, Revelation 1:18; 15:7; 20:4; 22:5; Dan 7:27; Psa 49:14.”

    Notice “They shall reign over the earth”?

    Two recent Bible translations also have “over” for “epi” here at Revelation 5:10.They being the Complete Jewish Bible by David H. Stern(1998) and The Message, The Bible in Contemporary Language (2002)by Eugene H. Peterson. Also, we note that The New Testament, Recovery Version(Revised edition, 1991, Living Stream Ministry)though it has “on the earth” has a footnote that says “Or, over.”

    One might point to Rev.5:3 and 5.13 where the same Greek words, namely, EPI THS GHS, literally, “on the earth,” occur and so this points to the same meaning for EPI in 5.10. However in both these scriptures BASILENW, “to reign,” is absent and also in both there are clear expressions that indicate that location is here meant for in both v.3 and v.13 there is “But neither(v.3)/And every creature(v.13) in heaven ….nor underneath the earth…” which expressions are absent from v.10 where EPI THS GHS occur. It would be poor exegesis then to simply point out that in verses 3 and 13 of the same chapter that EPI THS GHS occurs and yet place this truth over the more applicable truths as given above. Also, just because GHS, “earth” can refer to a place as well as a group of people(here in Revelation 5.10 to the ‘earthly society of humans’ whom these kings and priests will rule “over)does not mean that the meaning of “earth” here is ambiguous. The point of vv.9, 10 is not where these “kings” will rule but whom over they will for these “kings” are those who have been “bought…for God” and from “every tribe and tongue and people and nation” and these kings will rule “over” these or the remnants of these. The same thought is given in Revelation 2.26 where we can read “To everyone[Gk; AUTW lit. “him”)that conquers and continues to do my work to the end, I will give authority over[Gk; EPI] the nations.”-New Revised Standard Version.

    Clearly then, those translations that translate EPI as “over” at Revelation 5.10 are the more accurate in conveying the meaning of the original.

  17. jacqueline says:

    I see this man’s picture every time I go on YouTube, so I decided to just check out what he was saying about Revelation.
    He refuses to read anything into the text that isn’t there and takes heed with fear of the warning not to add or take away from Revelation. And doesn’t allegorize every word as Russell, Rutherford and the governing body does. He came to conclusions in 1988 that most of us are understanding now because we were following men that added and took away from what Revelation says so as to put them in heaven ruling over mankind.
    I enjoyed it and hope, my dear friend that asked about this will enjoy it also.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnQVRw_EFQ

  18. jacqueline says:

    Disclaimer:

    Brothers, Friends, when we post videos it is because the speaker has some information on the Bible. Please realize with prayer we are more intelligent than we have been led to believe. We can listen to someone else and get a truth they have learned from studies. Doctrines may be foreign or different than what you believe.

    THESE ARE NOT DOCTRINE VIDEOS. PLEASE FEEL FREE NOT TO USE THIS SECTION IF IT OFFENDS YOU.
    Nominal Christians and the word Christendom are used by our prior religious organizations to keep you from hearing any truths not taught by ONE MAN OR NINE.
    I have found the Bible has so much that we don’t ever use books anymore in our studies on Thursday or Saturday.
    The Blue Letter Bible in the black section above is very easy to use and bring up every scripture on a word, another BLESSED TOOL from our Father Jehovah.

  19. jacqueline says:

    Ted thank you very much. You also pull out some very choice ones to discuss here. I think Dave thought of his name for our groups by visiting this site.
    I do a lot of posting of the site on Facebook so they do come over and read. Also, feel free to copy and paste your page to invite people from Facebook to come to talk about a subject. Click on your page. Copy then paste it shows your page.

  20. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Here is a website I highly recommend for those who are coming out of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He Scripturally points out the errors in the JW doctrine in a very sincere way without all the slander and half truths found in many ex-JW sites.
    https://beroeans.net
    This is great information from a former elder and Bible Scholar.

  21. jacqueline says:

    Shannon, I got your email that you have posted on the fojw site asking for their link to Sunday meeting. Perhaps they don’t see it but I know it is a private link and I don’t have the authority to give it out. It has to go through the site administrator. They may have had problems or something, so put it on there again and see what happens.
    Tonight we will be on talking to each other if you can come on. Click here to get info: https://askjacqueline.life/line-up-of-conference-calls-on-bbb/ and we will talk to you tonight. Take Care Shannon

  22. jacqueline says:

    Hi Shannon, could you go to the fojw site and ask Peter for the link. That link is private and the Chicago brothers have to give it to you. Nice to hear from you. What do you think of the site.

  23. Shannon says:

    Hey Jacqueline can you send me link for meeting Sunday

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