Berean Bible Fellowship – with Dave

Berean Bible Study Group- Welcome

 

Dave will use any media you have available. WELCOME!

Have a listen to Dave’s talk on our podcast: Why a Berean Bible “Fellowship”

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David H. from Tennessee is moderator     

Every Thursday at 7 PM (CST) 8 pm (EST) 5 pm (MT) you are welcome to join our Bible discussions using just the Scriptures. We welcome your thoughts and research.

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Acts 17:10-11 KJV

(10)  And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

(11)  These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

While we certainly claim NO increased nobility, we practice receiving:

“the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

We WELCOME all who are seriously wanting to study scriptural matters without relying on a single person, group or an organization of human filters.

We believe in and practice :

In scriptural essentials – UNITY

In interpretation – LIBERTY

In ALL things – CHARITY


Summaries and updates will be posted below after each study. Thank you

NOTES

At our 11/29/2018 meeting, we were pleased to begin with a mixture of reviewing Second Death AND a testimony meeting on that subject.
Then, we transitioned to our current study dealing with Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
We had a discussion of Solomon's and Herod's Temples - matching Scripture with historical confirmations.
Sister Jacqueline gave us an overview of the Chapters' differences, and the discussion moved forward from there.
For our next meeting, Thursday, 12/6/18, we'll prepare by each of us reading the entirety of Matthew 24, followed by the entirety of Luke 21, so we can discuss these as chapters and as individual verses.
END OF NOTES
MY NOTES ON MATTHEW 24 vs LUKE 21.
The attached picture is where I learned to use charts.
So, how does fit with your understanding? 
Am I in the ballpark? Or wayyyyy out in left field?
MATTHEW LUKE
Mount of Olives                       

Nighttime (Luk_21:37)          

Disciples (Mat_24:3)

Temple

Daytime (Luk_21:37)

People (Luk_20:45 and Luk_21:5)

When THESE THINGS -(Temple Destruction)

and Sign of THY COMING

And END of the world Mat_24:3

When THESE THINGS -

(Temple Destruction)

Luk_21:7

Mat_24:4-8 = BEGINNING

of sorrows

Mat_24:9 = THEN

shall they deliver you up

to be afflicted and shall kill

you and ye shall be hated of all nations.

Luk_21:12

BEFORE Luk_21:8-11

they will lay their hands

on you and persecute you

Jesus answered questions

About destruction of

Temple earlier in day

(in Luke) so now He  

proceeds to anwer other

questions about His coming

and the end times.

Chronological Oder

Luk_21:12-24

THEN Luk_21:8-11

THEN Luk_21:25-28

Mat_24:9 & Mat_24:14 mention "all the world" and "all the nations" which seems to indicate Jesus was speaking of a worldwide end times event.

Worldwide language is used throughout all of Matthew 24.

Luke does not write about worrldwide persecution until begins writing of what takes place after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and then universal language is used twice.

Luk_21:26Luk_21:35

Mat_24:10 - Jesus speaks of many falling away in the end times Luke does not metion

this.

Mat_24:12-13- Love of many will wax cold, but he that endures will be saved Luke does not metion

this.

By 70 AD, Luke's gospel was just beginning to spread. It wouldn't make sense to say that love would grow cold unless he was speaking of end times events

Mat_24:12 - Iniquity shall abound Luke does not metion

this.

Mat_24:3 - they ask about the end; in Mat_24:14 Jesus says, "and then the end will come". Luk_21:9 - the end is not by and by.

The end of the age is not a first-century event.

Mat_24:21 - Tribulation Luke does not metion

this.

It's only in the futurewhen the events of Matthew 24 unfold that the great tribulation occurs.

Mat_24:15 - spoken of by Daniel.

Dan_9:27Dan_11:31, and Dan_12:11

Luke does not metion

this.

Matthew does not mention armies surrounding Jerusalem Luk_21:20 - first century attack on Jerusalem
Matthew does not mention this because Matthew deals with worldwide persecution Luk_21:23 - Great distress

Luk_19:41-44 - did not accept Jesus and did not recognize Messiah

Matthew does not mention this - Matthew deals with worldwide persecution and by the time Matthew's events happen, the Luke account will already be ancient history. Luk_21:24 - led captive into all nations
Mat_24:29 - these signs (sun, moon and stars)  take place IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of THOSE days The time period is left wide open. Nothing is said to take place "immediately

after".

Jerusalem will be trampled until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled

There is an unknown amount of time between the triple sign (sun, moon, stars) mentioned in Luk_21:25

Why would Luke jump from talking about the destruction of the Temple to the end of the system?

What Luke does is easier to understand when we think of it in terms of dual prophecy.

Dual Prophecies consist of two predictions:

type - a short term event

antitype - a long term event.

Could Luke 21 (Jerusalem's destruction) be the type, and,

Matthew 24 (great tribulation) be the antitype?

It appears that early Christians did not understand type and antitype and expected Jesus to return in 70 AD.

When He failed to appear, some were very disappointed and disillusioned.

Some lost faith and stopped believing.

THAT could be another type.

It's antitype might be all those falling away after Bro Russell's 1914 prediction, and the JW 1975 prediction. 

Failure to understand the duality of prophecy also played a role in the Jews' rejection of Jesus. 

Sometimes a prophecy is partially fulfilled:

Luk_4:16-21

Jesus read from Isa_61:1-2,  but stopped short mid-sentence Luk_4:19-20

The portion of the prophecy that Jesus read was fulfilled in type during His earthly ministry, but the last part of Isa_61:2, the antitype, will not be fulfilled until the end times. 

Yet not all prophecies are dual. Jehovah's prophecies about ancient city states like Tyre, Sidon, Ashkelon and others do not appear to have an antitype. 

Generally, it seems dual prophecies are mostly those which deal directly with Israel or the Church.

On 11/15/2018 we completed our study on Second Death, by harmonizing Rev_2:11, Rev_20:6, Rev_20:13-14 and Rev_21:8.
Using Scriptures we concluded:
We probably don't have to worry about Second Death;
Second Death is Millennial Kingdom timing.
Similar to Daniel, Revelation is telling the future in advance in pretty deep detail;
Jesus never claimed to have the keys to Second Death;
Chronology of Revelation - the verse are basically in chronological order, but refer back to bring the student up to date on topics;
Jehovah does not deal with mankind directly right now; we must go through Jesus;
Jehovah uses Second Death to rid the world of evil, evil people, evil entities; and,
NO human or organization can condemn any other human to Second Death.

Also, Brother Henry presented a discussion concerning the Scriptural meanings of Fire and Brimstone.

On 11/22/2018 we will not meet.

On 11/29/2018, we will begin our study to harmonize Matthew 24 and Luke 21.

NOTES
On 12/20/2018, we began a controversial study concerning prophecy and what is currently happening in Israel, "to explain the significance of the secretive ceremony performed by the Sanhedrin near the walls of the Old City Monday, the final day of Hanukkah, to consecrate a stone altar for the future Third Temple.”
The best approach to gaining an understanding of this is to click on:
and to study and ponder at everything on that page, and to seek to harmonize these things with the Scriptures, if possible.
The question – does this event mean anything out of the ordinary?
In a spirited discussion, we delved into this and the prophecies possibly relating to this event.
As a result of our study, we agreed on "homework" to be completed before our next study.
Due to family get-togethers, we are not meeting again until Jan. 10, 2019.
Between now and our next meeting again on Jan. 10, 2019, our "homework" consists of the following:
Study all the content on the ISRAEL – WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW page on the askjacqueline.life website.
Prepare to Scripturally discuss:
When the Temple veil was rent,
Mar_15:37-38 (Mat_27:50-51) (Luk_23:45)
what effect, if any, did that have on:
1. the relationship of the Holy of Holies to the outside world;
2. the relationship humans have with Jehovah;
3. the concept of the abomination of desolation
(Mat_24:15-21 (CONTEXT: Mat 24:15-28);
Dan_9:27 (CONTEXT: Dan 9:24-27);
Dan_11:31 (CONTEXT: Dan 11:1-45,); and
Dan_12:11 (CONTEXT: Dan 12:1-13))
Seek to determine if either of Ezekiel's prophecies concerning Gog and Magog (Eze_38:1-23 and Eze_39:1-29) or John's (Rev_20:8 (CONTEXT: Rev_20:7-10)) have a role in this  ?
In addition to #3, above, what roles, if any,  do the King of the North and the South (Dan_11:1-40) have in this?
Can we Scripturally answer these QUESTIONS:
Does the current consecrating of "a stone altar for the future Third Temple.”" constitute an "abomination" or the "abomination of desolation"?
Is a THIRD Temple Scriptural?
In Mat_24:15, is it possible or likely that Jesus was talking about a future Temple - not the 70 AD Temple -  without specifying a THIRD Temple in the end times?
MEETING NOTES
On 12/6/2018, we began our study with in-depth discussions of Mark 3:28-30 and Matthew 12:31-32, particularly as they pertain to second death.
It was particularly rewarding that in spite of differing opinions about the meanings of these Scriptures (and other Scriptures relating to these), our group maintained the principles of Liberty in interpretation and Charity in all things.
Moving on from second death, we began our discussion of Matthew 24; Luke 21 and Mark 13 (and related Scriptures), using the chart on this page (from last week).
We studied as far as Matthew 24:29 and Luke 21:25
Our verse-by-verse discussion revealed several things that we had been taught in error previously, and many items that we had found confusing and contradictory under our previous tutelage look clearer (Proverbs 4:18; Ecclesiastes 11:7-8; Luke 11:33-36).
On 12/13/2018, we will review our previous study and continue studying from where we left off last meeting.
All wishing to study Scripture without human or organizational filters are invited to join us.
END OF NOTES

 

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180 Responses to Berean Bible Fellowship – with Dave

  1. jacqueline says:

    I just have to add this video link for those that need to see
    the POWER OF YAHWEH today as regards Israel just like in the Bible.
    Zechariah chapters 11-12 Chuck Smith gives us the narrative in such a way as to make your heart flutter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=razbxh5FgaU

    There are many of the youtube footage, this is just one but look at the others for more detail on one name
    Squiblly
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxEXGA0RU5c
    This is 1973 war:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrHvqeSrYTY

    I remember both of these wars. My mom always felt Jehovah had not lied to Abraham as we were taught. and as a result, she kept up with news on TV about Israel.
    What a legacy she left me so I easily accepted that Israel is still and always will be Jehovah’s wife.
    The argument on this issue in 2004 with my book study conductor when we studied Israel was my first step printed by the watchtower society to exist the religion. The Isaiah book lead me out of darkness, and into a life search for what the actual Bible reveals about Jehovah..

  2. Jacqueline says:

    Last night we didn’t get far but, there was sufficient evidence for me to conclude there is a difference in the sleep inactive state of Adamic death than the second death of Rev 20: after the Great Throne Judgement.

    I try to envision death and hades as being inside there with them. (Not Adamic death) but death following them there. The beast is there, the devil, the false prophet, and all of the ones not wanting Jehovah and Jesus to rule over them.

    If there is this assortment of guys in there together and there is a consciousness of being there, I would say that is indeed HELL.

    To be cut off without God Almighty JEHOVAH, Jesus and His Holy Spirit are UNTHINKABLE!
    A world without GOD, NO! They are the only ones keeping everything in check.

    I cringe at the thought of a world now without police, government, and the army.
    Rev 20: 9 ” A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.”

    Now to get some insight on who exactly is this beast and this mark?

    I pray YAHWEH will reveal for sure in time for us not to go near them.

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