BIBLE Study & RESEARCH – with Dave

Berean Bible Study Group- Welcome

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David H. from Tennessee is moderator     

Every Thursday at 7PM (CST) 8pm (EST) 5pm (MT) you are welcome to join our Bible discussions using just the Scriptures. We welcome your thoughts and research.

 

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Acts 17:10-11 KJV

(10)  And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

(11)  These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

While we certainly claim NO increased nobility, we practice receiving:

“the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

We WELCOME all who are seriously wanting to study scriptural matters without relying on a single person, group or an organization of human filters.

We believe in and practice :

In scriptural essentials – UNITY

In interpretation – LIBERTY

In ALL things – CHARITY


Summaries and updates will be posted below after each study. Thank you



 

On 12/13/2018, we began by reviewing Matthew 24:15-31 and its associated Scriptures in Daniel, 2 Thessalonians, Revelation and Maccabees.

We also discussed the timing of the prophesy in Matthew 24:14.

The remainder of the meeting was devoted to looking in depth at some verses in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

So far in our study, we have learned that the traditional “harmonization of these Gospels” is part of the problem.

Since Matthew is so detailed, we can be forgiven if our natural inclination was to tend to lean on his rendering.

And yet there seems to be a substantial disparity between his record and that of Luke’s.

Numerous elements appear identical in both accounts, so it's just natural to assume that they both deal with the same event.

Attempts to “harmonize” them have continued to yield a veritable minefield of confusion.

And the excitement in their study.

So we have determined to set aside all of our presuppositions, and simply trust the integrity of the texts to improve our understanding of these passages.

In our next meeting on 12/20/2018, we are going to continue our examination "with all readiness of mind, every day examining the Writings whether those things were so" (Acts 17:11 Young's Literal Translation).

End of notes.

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12/6/2018  MEETING NOTES

On 12/6/2018, we began our study with in-depth discussions of Mark 3:28-30 and Matthew 12:31-32, particularly as they pertain to the second death.
It was particularly rewarding that in spite of differing opinions about the meanings of these Scriptures (and other Scriptures relating to these), our group maintained the principles of Liberty in interpretation and Charity in all things.
Moving on from the second death, we began our discussion of Matthew 24; Luke 21 and Mark 13 (and related Scriptures), using the chart on this page (from last week).
We studied as far as Matthew 24:29 and Luke 21:25
Our verse-by-verse discussion revealed several things that we had been taught in error previously, and many items that we had found confusing and contradictory under our previous tutelage look clearer (Proverbs 4:18; Ecclesiastes 11:7-8; Luke 11:33-36).
On 12/13/2018, we will review our previous study and continue studying from where we left off the last meeting.
All wishing to study Scripture without human or organizational filters are invited to join us. Thank you.
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NOTES  11/29/2018

Dave learned to use charts

At our 11/29/2018 meeting, we were pleased to begin with a mixture of reviewing Second Death AND a testimony meeting on that subject.
Then, we transitioned to our current study dealing with Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
We had a discussion of Solomon's and Herod's Temples - matching Scripture with historical confirmations.
Sister Jacqueline gave us an overview of the Chapters' differences, and the discussion moved forward from there.
For our next meeting, Thursday, 12/6/18, we'll prepare by each of us reading the entirety of Matthew 24, followed by the entirety of Luke 21, so we can discuss these as chapters and as individual verses.
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MY NOTES ON MATTHEW 24 vs LUKE 21.
The attached picture is where I learned to use charts.
So, how does fit with your understanding?
Am I in the ballpark? Or wayyyyy out in left field?
MATTHEW LUKE
Mount of Olives

Nighttime (Luk_21:37)

Disciples (Mat_24:3)

Temple

Daytime (Luk_21:37)

People (Luk_20:45 and Luk_21:5)

When THESE THINGS -(Temple Destruction)

and Sign of THY COMING

And END of the world Mat_24:3

When THESE THINGS -

(Temple Destruction)

Luke_21:7

Mat_24:4-8 = BEGINNING

of sorrows

Mat_24:9 = THEN

shall they deliver you up

to be afflicted and shall kill

you and ye shall be hated of all nations.

Luke_21:12

BEFORE Luke_21:8-11

they will lay their hands

on you and persecute you

Jesus answered questions

About the destruction of

Temple earlier in day

(in Luke) so now He

proceeds to answer other

questions about His coming

and the end times.

The chronological Oder

Luk_21:12-24

THEN Luk_21:8-11

THEN Luk_21:25-28

Mat_24:9 & Mat_24:14 mention "all the world" and "all the nations" which seems to indicate Jesus was speaking of a worldwide end times event.

Worldwide language is used throughout all of Matthew 24.

Luke does not write about worldwide persecution until begins writing of what takes place after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and then universal language is used twice.

Luk_21:26Luk_21:35

Mat_24:10 - Jesus speaks of many falling away in the end times Luke does not metion

this.

Mat_24:12-13- Love of many will wax cold, but he that endures will be saved Luke does not mention

this.

By 70 AD, Luke's gospel was just beginning to spread. It wouldn't make sense to say that love would grow cold unless he was speaking of end times events

Mat_24:12 - Iniquity shall abound Luke does not mention

this.

Mat_24:3 - they ask about the end; in Mat_24:14 Jesus says, "and then the end will come". Luk_21:9 - the end is not by and by.

The end of the age is not a first-century event.

Mat_24:21 - Tribulation Luke does not mention

this.

It's only in the future when the events of Matthew 24 unfold that the great tribulation occurs.

Mat_24:15 - spoken of by Daniel.

Dan_9:27Dan_11:31, and Dan_12:11

Luke does not metion

this.

Matthew does not mention armies surrounding Jerusalem Luk_21:20 - first-century attack on Jerusalem
Matthew does not mention this because Matthew deals with worldwide persecution Luk_21:23 - Great distress

Luk_19:41-44 - did not accept Jesus and did not recognize Messiah

Matthew does not mention this - Matthew deals with worldwide persecution and by the time Matthew's events happen, the Luke account will already be ancient history. Luk_21:24 - led captive into all nations
Mat_24:29 - these signs (sun, moon and stars)  take place IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of THOSE days The time period is left wide open. Nothing is said to take place "immediately

after".

Jerusalem will be trampled until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled

There is an unknown amount of time between the triple sign (sun, moon, stars) mentioned in Luk_21:25

Why would Luke jump from talking about the destruction of the Temple to the end of the system?

What Luke does is easier to understand when we think of it in terms of dual prophecy.

Dual Prophecies consist of two predictions:

type - a short term event

antitype - a long term event.

Could Luke 21 (Jerusalem's destruction) be the type, and,

Matthew 24 (great tribulation) be the antitype?

It appears that early Christians did not understand type and antitype and expected Jesus to return in 70 AD.

When He failed to appear, some were very disappointed and disillusioned.

Some lost faith and stopped believing.

THAT could be another type.

It's antitype might be all those falling away after Bro Russell's 1914 prediction, and the JW 1975 prediction.

Failure to understand the duality of prophecy also played a role in the Jews' rejection of Jesus.

Sometimes a prophecy is partially fulfilled:

Luk_4:16-21

Jesus read from Isa_61:1-2,  but stopped short mid-sentence Luk_4:19-20

The portion of the prophecy that Jesus read was fulfilled in type during His earthly ministry, but the last part of Isa_61:2, the antitype, will not be fulfilled until the end times.

Yet not all prophecies are dual. Jehovah's prophecies about ancient city states like Tyre, Sidon, Ashkelon and others do not appear to have an antitype.

Generally, it seems dual prophecies are mostly those which deal directly with Israel or the Church.

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Meeting canceled for Thursday 11/22/2018.

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On 11/15/2018 we completed our study on Second Death, by harmonizing Rev_2:11, Rev_20:6, Rev_20:13-14 and Rev_21:8.
Using Scriptures we concluded:
We probably don't have to worry about Second Death; 
Second Death is Millennial Kingdom timing.
Similar to Daniel, Revelation is telling the future in advance in pretty deep detail;
Jesus never claimed to have the keys to Second Death;
Chronology of Revelation - the verse are basically in chronological order, but refer back to bring the student up to date on topics;
Jehovah does not deal with mankind directly right now; we must go through Jesus;
Jehovah uses Second Death to rid the world of evil, evil people, evil entities; and,
NO human or organization can condemn any other human to Second Death.

Also, Brother Henry presented a discussion concerning the Scriptural meanings of Fire and Brimstone.

On 11/22/2018 we will not meet.

On 11/29/2018, we will begin our study to harmonize Matthew 24 and Luke 21.

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"What is Second Death?" Revelation 2:11;    20:6;  20:10  20:14;    21:8

"On 11/8/2018, we began our discussion on Revelation 20:13-14.
Our study took several interesting turns, including additional Biblical scriptures and discussions about the words “sea”, “death” Hades”, “lake of fire”, “torment” “mercy class” and “great multitude”.
We also Scripturally examined the timing of these events.
Next week, 11/15/2018, we will review our previous discussion and Scripturally delve into Revelation 21:8, and discuss harmonizing all four “second death” Scriptures plus their associated Scriptures."
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On Oct 25, we continued our research into Rev 2:11, discussing 
(1)the historical method by which messengers delivered their information to the seven churches in Revelation; 
(2) What the churches may have represented; and,
(3) the relevance of Rev 1:1-3 has to this subject.
We proceeded to Rev 20:6, examining:
(1) It's relevance to 1Tim 4:15-17; and,
(2) Second death.
For Nov 1, we will:
(1) Review last week's information and discuss any additional scriptural references; 
(2) Begin our study of: 
  (a) Rev 20:14
  (b) Rev 21:8
  (c) Rev 20:10

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Oct 25, 2018 – TOPIC: Second Death

After reviewing and discussing anything from our previous meeting's study, we will commence with our scriptural study of Revelation 20:6, as well as whatever other scriptural topics related to our main topic, arise along the way.

Oct 18, 2018 – TOPIC: Second Death

We reviewed last week’s discussion of first (Adamic) death and scripturally reasoned why, what it means to us, what it means to Jehovah, how Jehovah’s Plan is fulfilled, and how Jesus and His Ransom Sacrifice fit into the Plan.

We continued by discussing in depth Revelation 2:11, what the Scriptures prove about the expression “He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.”, with emphasis on the scriptural meanings of “overcometh”, “hurt” and “second death”.

We were blessed by Brother Peter Karavas from Chicago Bible Students joining us and providing valuable insights to our study, as well as giving us his views concerning important and weighty questions from our group.

 

 

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43 Responses to BIBLE Study & RESEARCH – with Dave

  1. jacqueline says:

    Hi, Dave, some others had power outages but we stayed on until 9:30 and did testimony on how God has intervened in our lives. Missed you and look forward to next week.

  2. jacqueline says:

    Okay Dave, we have the storms here also in Atlanta. 60 mph winds in Chicago and Gary. I opened up on my cell phone. Do you have enough for the BBB?
    Some cell services are down also but I will keep it open. Tornado watch for Chicago and you and I are in the same section so getting the same weather here.

  3. Dave says:

    3/14/2019
    Due to thunderstorms in our area, and the fact that my ISP is HughesNet satellite, I am being told by FreeConferenceCall that my bandwidth is insufficient to participate online tonight.
    I look forward to \”seeing\” everybody next Thursday night in, hopefully, clearer weather.

  4. Dave says:

    Mar 7, 2019

    Tonight, we discussed:
    Gifts of the Spirit (1Co_12:7-10, 1Co_14:2-25) – are they still active, in whole or in part today?

    Included in our study, we looked at Strong’s and Thayer’s definitions of several of the key terms in the Scriptures, as well as:

    1Co_12:7-10;
    Act_8:14-21;
    1Co_12:31;
    1Co_13:1-3;
    1Co_13:8-12;
    “perfect” [G5046 G5056]; and,
    1Co_13:13.

    Concerning 1Co_13:13, we studied:
    Heb_11:1;
    Rom_8:24; and,
    Col_3:14.

    For Mar 14, 2019, we will open our meeting with a decision about whether or not to conduct a Memorial Service on April 18, 2019 (the Memorial date published in The Herald), for any and all who cannot attend a Memorial Service personally.

    If we decide to have a Memorial Service, we’ll also create an agenda of meeting discussions for Thursday nights leading up to the Memorial Service, pertaining to Scriptures detailing the events which fulfilled prophecy leading up to Jesus’ Ransom Sacrifice, Resurrection and His Ascension.

    Afterwards, we will commence our discussion of the Fruits of the Spirit (Gal_5:22-23), comparing and contrasting the Fruits with the Gifts of the Spirit discussed Mar 7, 2019,

  5. Dave says:

    On Feb 28, 2019, we started by reviewing last week’s discussion and looked at some additional Scriptures concerning the subject, including:
    Mat_24:23-28; and,
    Col_1:15.

    Then we studied Eze_44:17-21 and its relevance to the Millennial Kingdom, if any.

    We concluded that:

    The final, large collection of messages in Ezekiel (Ezekiel 33:21-48:35) communicates comfort and consolation to the exiles in Babylon following the shock of the destruction of Jerusalem.

    Until Jerusalem had fallen, Ezekiel’s message was predominantly negative, insisting that the city would be destroyed.

    Once news about that event came (Eze_33:21), Jehovah’s message immediately turned to hope:
    * hope for a new leadership (ch. 34),
    * a new spirit (chs. 36, 37)
    * a new victory (chs. 38, 39), and
    * a new temple (chs. 40—48).

    From history we conclude that all of the prophecies in Ezekiel 1-35 have been literally fulfilled but the prophecies in Ezekiel 36-48 are future.

    On Mar 7, 2019, we will consider whether or not gifts of the Spirit, such as those mentioned in 1Co_14:2-25, are still active, in whole or in part.

  6. Dave says:

    On Feb. 21,2019, we had a spirited discussion of:
    Scripturally, is Jesus’ Kingdom heavenly or earthly (Jerusalem)?
    Is Michael and Jesus the same?
    Difference in coming FOR the saints and coming WITH the saints.

    We began with Dan_12:1, with particular attention to the expression:
    “stand up” [H5975]:
    H5975
    עָמַד
    ‛âmad
    aw-mad’
    A primitive root; to stand, in various relations (literally and figuratively, intransitively and transitively): – abide (behind), appoint, arise, cease, confirm, continue, dwell, be employed, endure, establish, leave, make, ordain, be [over], place, (be) present (self), raise up, remain, repair, + serve, set (forth, over, -tle, up), (make to, make to be at a, with-) stand (by, fast, firm, still, up), (be at a) stay (up), tarry.
    Total KJV occurrences: 521

    While there was not enough time to discuss all the verses pertaining to this, we focused on:
    Rev_1:6
    Rev_5:10
    Rev_3:21 (compared to Mat_25:31)
    Rev_11:15
    Rev_20:4
    Rev_21:1-3
    Rev_3:12
    Isa_65:17

    as well as,

    Jer_23:5
    Luk_1:32-33
    Dan_2:44
    Psa_115:16
    Psa_37:9-11
    Mat_5:5
    1Ti_6:16
    Act_1:6
    Eze_44:17-21
    1Th_4:13-18
    Joh_18:36
    And others.

    We also considered Revelation 14 sevenfold description of the 144,000.

    On Feb. 28, 2019, we are going to consider Eze_44:17-21, and whether or not it relates to the Millennial Kingdom.

    THANKS to all who attended and participated with their insights.

    If you would like to participate in a (mostly) Scriptures-Only study, unencumbered by human filtering of Jehovah’s Word, you are most welcome to join us on Thursday nights.

    All you need is your Bible.

  7. jacqueline says:

    Friends, please join us tonight for a special guest, George Storrs 7 pm CST, 8 pm EST.

  8. jacqueline says:

    Nubby Tope, I had a stroke then pneumonia. 4 more weeks for pneumonia to clear because it came from aspiration into my lungs during a heart exploration with a camera.
    I am a therapist and began neuromuscular therapy while in emergency room and I hummed so my brain wouldn’t forget my voice box. The doctors said never has he seen a patient get better hour by hour normally it is day by day. 37 hours and I was sent home with my paramedic, fire chief, son and another son that flew in. Plus other family drove in from various places and phone calls from some that had stopped speaking to me. I was in only 2 days for the pneumonia, 20 days later. So now I am taking it easy and next week doctors will analyze all tests and began treatment to correct the reason I stoked out. It was an embolism so it originated from somewhere other than the brain.
    One month later my speech is uninpaired and I have no paralysis in my arm or fingers. I did my own therapy since that is my field of training .
    Now, if you mean how am I from the interactions with Peter, I survived that total disregard and disrespect also.
    My personality is to deal swiftly and permanently with situations, file them away and move on. As a Psychologist I encourage my clients to not stay in an abusive situation after they see the person knows they are abusive, because they aren’t going to change. Them we practice techniques to not stall but move on. The sooner you refocus, the outcome will be in your favor.
    In each instance I felt Jehovah and Jesus support. Brothers on this site stepped up to the plate and dealt with Peter for me and I was with my paramedic son when I had the stroke right in front of his eyes! I knew for months something was wrong internally with me but couldn’t pinpoint it so I
    said it was stress.
    Group therapy was what my therapy team said I needed, interaction and feedback on my behavior and to fight depression that sometimes follow a stroke. I showed them what I do and the BBB interaction and they gave it a thumbs ups that I had this already in play.
    Again help from Our Father!
    After next week I will know what caused my vascular accident and treatment for it.
    Thanks for your concern.

  9. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    You OK? Great to hear Bro. Peter on that link; I really like his manner of delivery, and he explained things so well.

  10. jacqueline says:

    You go to Google and say I want to get news every time “Jehovah witnesses” is in the news all over the globe. It will appear in your email. That is how I knew in 2000 that the witnesses had applied for property in Warwick when no one believed me. It picked up the public hearing from that small town who published their meeting with the witnesses for a permit. You can set up a Google alert for anything or anybody. I know when a person mentions me on the web. Google,” How do I set up Google alert”? I set mine up decades ago so forgot.

  11. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Sr Jacqueline What is the Google Jehovah’s Witnesses alert?

  12. jacqueline says:

    So Dave when we are in school and the teacher does roll call and you say PRESENT, it means your body is in the seat. You aren’t on your way or in the hallway or out of her sight but actually there. Your Presence is felt with your active participation in the class but you must be there to have your Presence felt. That is just one point I got from tonight and every meeting we get so much from just considering these things ourselves from the Bible. Thanks for all the research you do evry week Dave!
    And the added blessing tonight of Doug our visitor! What a joy it was to have him. I hope he will consider hosting his meet-up group on the BBB. He uplifted us to see him come on and maybe we can peep in and join the conversation with the group.
    Some on here who have the “GOOGLE JEHOVAH WITNESS alert” will see his meet up group notice from google alert for Thursday.
    It is 12:02 midnite and the last conversation just ended so I guess I will go to sleep now.

  13. Dave says:

    On Feb 14, 2019, we discussed the difference between parousia, and the coming.
    AND
    What does Parousia [G3952 G3918 G3844 G1510] really mean?

    We looked into the historical examples of uses and meanings of parousia.

    The word is used 24 times in the New Testament.

    Of these, six uses refer to the coming of individuals: Stephanas, Fortunatus, and Achaicus (1Co_16:17),
    Titus (2Co_7:6-7)
    the physical \”presence\” of Paul himself (2Co_10:10, Php_1:26, Php_2:12), and
    a seventh use to the \”coming of the lawless one\” (2Th_2:9).

    The other seventeen uses refer to the Second Coming of Christ, except the one case in which it refers to the coming of the \”Day of God\” (2Pe_3:12).

    The word \”parousia\” is mainly used in Christian theology to refer to the second coming of Christ.

    The word parousia is found in the following verses:
    Mat_24:3, Mat_24:27, Mat_24:37, Mat_24:39;
    1Co_15:23;
    1Th_2:19; 1Th_3:13; 1Th_4:15; 1Th_5:23;
    2Th_2:1, 2Th_2:8-9;
    Jas_5:7-8;
    2Pe_1:16; 2Pe_3:4, 2Pe_3:12;
    1Jn_2:28.

    We also looked at some Greek-English words that may be related to, and can be distinguished from, parousia.

    We then contrsted \”parousia\” with leusis [G1660 G2064] which means \”coming\”.

    For next meeting, 2/21/2019, we will attempt to answer:
    Scripturally, is Jesus\’ Kingdom heavenly or earthly (Jerusalem)?
    Starting with Dan_12:1

  14. jacqueline says:

    Dave, I am so glad I was able to come on tonight although I was late. The discussion was uplifting and I am just not good with the Greek words but you are spot on.
    We appreciate the hard work you put in with going back to the original language. Theos and the subordinate other Greek words for God cause me to wonder why it isn’t used when speaking about Jesus.
    I forgot the word but you made me think. I do accept that Jesus is indeed a God and I am happy for all things and power has been placed in his hand now until he bows low and turns it over to His Father, Jehovah in a restored paradise state.
    My health is improving and I hope to be on next week.

  15. Dave says:

    Tonight, 1/31/2019, we delved into Exodus 4:16 and supporting Scriptures using Interlinear and Strong’s .

    Then we began looking into John 1:1, especially the Greek word, theos G2316, and the uneven application of Greek grammar, as well as translators’ inconsistent application of definite and indefinite articles in their translations.

    We further chatted about how this inconsistent application contributed to the confusion and the error being taught by various religious organizations.

    We then revisited Rev 22:6 and discussed its significance and harmony with the other three Scriptures in Bible containing the phrase “faithful and true”.

    For next meeting, 2/7/2019, we are going to research the Scriptural basis of the parousia – what does it really mean and contrast it with the “coming”.

    If time permits, we will also research the Scriptural basis of the rapture.

  16. jacqueline says:

    Ha ha Dave, thanks for the feedback! When I was told I needed group therapy to really put my vocal cords and mind to the test. I asked what do you do in group? She said you talk, read out loud and explain what you read.
    Sounded like our Thursday night study to me! I told her we don’t use a book to tell us what the scripture says but discuss it among ourselves. I said we do have some help however, and that is God’s Spirit.
    She said that intenseness was better than what their group offered.
    So thanks so much to you for trusting me to read out loud. My relative noticed and I got to explain our just using the Bible.
    Thanks for the feedback and to all for ignoring my Yankee doodle routine. Lol
    PS: now to find proof that the white horse of the four in Revelation is not Christ. That should wipe my mind clean!

  17. David (Thursday night) says:

    Sr. Jacqueline:
    You sounded TERRIFIC.
    Had I not known of your situation, by listening to you I would not have guessed that anything was wrong.
    Also, your comments were spot on, so there was no way to tell from the comments that anything was amiss.
    The fact that you broke out in a chorus of ‘Yankee Doodle Dandy” in the middle of the meeting has nothing to do with anything.
    I’m sure nobody will recollect that by next Thursday night.
    And if they do, no one will mention it.
    But I am nominating you for a Tony.
    Dave

  18. Dave says:

    On our January 24, 2019, meeting we studied the phrase:

    TRUE and FAITHFUL

    Rev 21:5
    `Write, because these words are true [G228 G227 G1 G2990] and stedfast [G4103 G3982];’
    and the other 3 Scriptures where this exact phrase appears:
    Rev 3:14
    Rev 19:11
    Rev 22:6

    We also agreed that “the Amen [G281 H543 H539]” expresses the unchangeable truth of His promises; also “the faithful the true witness,” the truth of His revelations as to the heavenly things which He has seen and testifies.
    and looked into the
    the name “Witness” [G3140 G3144]” (1Ti_6:13).

    For our next meeting, January 31, 2019, we will be exploring the translators’ “God” and “a god” compared to the literal and interlinear versions;
    in particular, Exodus 4:16 and John 1:1-3.

  19. jacqueline says:

    Dave, discussing how God works in our lives and good fellowship among brothers has a healing effect on the body. I feel refreshed after coming on last night. I was able to listen most of the time but had many opportunities to express myself. This is what I told my speech therapist, that I already had group therapy twice a week with my Christian fellows. She said it accounts for my rapid speech recovery because I formulated thoughts to tell my friends in the group and my family. I texted and talked although I knew they might not understand me.
    So I need feedback. Did I sound garbled? For Henry and Jeff also to give me feedback.
    I am looking forward to being able to read next week if I am not in treatment. They take my heart monitor off tomorrow in their search to find out why. All of my blood work and scans are unremarkable and no risk factors at all so I can really just tell them, I think it is plain old stress.
    We discussed ways for me to deal with some of the stresses that go with exiting yet another religious idea or rather the same Concept that I never really got away from. Now I see I need to just stick with the Bible and leave books that outline the explanation of the entire Bible alone.

  20. Dave says:

    For Thursday night, Jan 17, 2019, meeting:

    Rather than focusing on Sister Jacqueline’s topic of the Third Temple this week, I suggest we focus on Rev 21:4-5 – – most particularly on the last phrase in Rev 21:5:

    Revelation 21:4-5 MLV

    (4) And he will wipe-away every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more; neither will there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, anymore. The first things have passed away.

    (5) And he who is sitting upon the throne said, Behold, I am making* all things new. And he says to me, Write, because these words are faithful and true.
    (emphasis on last SIX words)

  21. jacqueline says:

    Good morning Dave, in addition to one on one speech therapy for my stroke I need to do group discussion. So I will be in attendance Thursday for Bible reading and discussion. My speech therapist was glad I was already a part of a discussion group and says that is all I need. So Jehovah, Jesus,Holy Spirit, Bible and my brothers, the ingredients for overcoming an illness and a prescription for success.
    I can’t leave out my tremendous family support, they came through with moral support as well as physically traveling to help! Thank God for that! It was worth a stroke to see our family come together in a crisis. I always help everyone and they remembered Jesus made families to fight the great break up in Eden.
    My stroke was the part of the brain that specifically affects word formation and sending to my right fingers. Not cognitive or anything else. I began my own therapy within 30 minutes on my arm so the brain would not forget it. You only have three hours. I will write an article about it as part of my therapy. My doctor says share it and explain that there is something you can do to help yourself.
    I am no longer paralyzed and I can move, control and write now plus hold objects without dropping them. I can now form words without stuttering. My sister came up right away to continue Occupational Therapy.
    Stroke was Last Wednesday. Now just waiting for the brain swelling to totally heal.
    ALL THIS PRAIS FOR MY REVOVERY GOES TO JEHOVAH GOD. All good gifts comes from the devil. GOD SAID NO!

  22. jacqueline says:

    Canaanite languages, group of Northern Central or Northwestern Semitic languages including Hebrew, Moabite, Phoenician, and Punic. They were spoken in ancient times in Palestine, on the coast of Syria, and in scattered colonies elsewhere around the Mediterranean

  23. jacqueline says:

    Wow Ted I wish I could talk on this subject. I am on a 7hr drive and with JW 👪 so I can’t comment until maybe next week but I will read.
    I just listened to Ezekial and Now I will do all of Isaiah to see if I can glean the entire picture. Ezekial goes along with Isaiah.
    I have long felt this is a future prophecy and not one of the hundreds of pyramids that dart the earth. But let’s see if we can unravel the mystery with search engines. I will just be reading so as not to offend my family.
    So far I notice the “phrase in this day” and all of them is after Egypt, Israel, etc are worshiping together.
    I just completed my 9 hour drive. Family love is abounding!

    Take care.❤

  24. Greg says:

    Hi Ted,
    I’d love to explore this with you and others. To answer your question, though, for the time being, I only have LOTS of my own questions:
    “At that time…” <--What time? What's the context? Isaiah is writing about something future. "The burden of..." <--Also translated as: "The prophecy regarding..." "The message about..." "The future of..." Why are the "burdens" of so many other kingdoms mentioned in chapters 13, 15, 17, 19, 21 (3 different kingdoms in this chapter alone), 22, 23, 30? Are these burdens separate occasions, or are they fulfilled in order? If so, what order? OR are these burdens maybe different facets of something big, something that can be seen from different perspectives? What, if any, is the significance is the geographical relationship of Egypt, Assyria, and Israel? What about the military significance of each? What about the "wealth" of each? What about Historical significances? Are there any noteworthy historical fulfillments? Do these provide a pattern for something greater? Why and when will Egyptian rise against Egyptian? Which are the 5 cities in Egypt that speak the Language of Canaan? What is the Language of Canaan that is being referred to? Through which countries and regions and scenery will the Highway run? I could write so many more questions. I might mention that I did find Matthew Henry's commentary on these chapters to also inspire lots more ideas and questions. I'll let you know more as I slowly pick my way through my own questions.

  25. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Does anyone have a thought on this Scripture? It seems that Assyria and Egypt will eventually unite with Israel in service to God.
    Isa 19: 19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the Lord at its border. 20 It will be a sign and witness to the Lord Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the Lord because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them. 21 So the Lord will make himself known to the Egyptians, and in that day they will acknowledge the Lord. They will worship with sacrifices and grain offerings; they will make vows to the Lord and keep them. 22 The Lord will strike Egypt with a plague; he will strike them and heal them. They will turn to the Lord, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

    23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. 24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing[b] on the earth. 25 The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

  26. jacqueline says:

    Dave, Jeff tried to get on fojw Saturday might meeting but couldn’t. So he emailed one of the Philippines brother to see if they were meeting. He said yes but they are studying the Bible and doing a verse by verse of the book of Judges. So encouraging to us that others are realizing we need to add just the Bible to our menu also because we have been book studies of one concept all our lives some of us.
    The things in the news today demand we take a fresh look at the Bible with the revealer of secrets help. This is a copy of my facebook post to encourage:
    “Many are in need during this cold winter and depressed, often we overlook Jesus. We can go straight (one on one) to God now thru Jesus. Talk to him your Father, He will help.

    John 16:23, 24New Living Translation (NLT)
    “23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father directly, and he will grant your request because you use my name. 24 You haven’t done this before. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy.”

  27. jacqueline says:

    Dave, today I mentioned something about Trump, a witness asked if I heard about the troops being taken out of Syria. They said Jehovah is about to act and they mentioned this as a sign. I spoke and talked about the nation’s could line up against Israel. I saw the expressions change as they don’t know about natural Israel. But at least someone is talking about this within their org.
    Note to self: do not mention Jesus as the one coming. I was corrected sternly with No it is Jehovah! There was actually a strong dislike in the voice for mentioning him. I want peace this month so I will just listen and not mention Jesus to witnesses during this holiday season.
    I am enjoying family now and in the coming week I will be with another set of witness and non witness mix.
    Enjoy your family I realize the coming of Christ will bring special Joy to you and your wife as you have 3 darling children to welcome back in the resurrection. May God keep you folded in his loving arms. Hug your wife for me please for I think of both of you and your broken 💕.

  28. jacqueline says:

    Dave, in the early morning hours I find communion with God is powerful at dusk for me.
    I was considering 1Thessalonians 5. It seems to go along with Luke 21 and Matt24 and Mark 13 on not setting a date when we see revolutions and wars. He even says don’t go out after those coming in his name saying he is there. He will come with the clouds and all will see him at some point. I will look for more scriptures that deals specifically with that beginning of distress.
    This is just so encouraging to not filter through what I have learned. I have found for me to understand and not grieve the Spirit, I have to throw the baby out with the bathwater to let God get in. See you guys tonight.

  29. jacqueline says:

    Dave and others. Joel chapter 3; Ezekial 38 and Daniel 11 all play into what we see today with Russia.
    They paraded by sea around the waters during Israel holy days to scare them. Although recent brothers say they don’t see the United States and current governments, I see Korea saying “they are strong when they are really weak.” The nations in turmoil over this nuclear babble talk. And America and Israel aren’t on the best of terms while Russia has been drawn into the trouble with the middle east.
    Joel 3 seems to be in fulfillment of last days. Just my take got to look further.
    Luke 21:28 gives us comfort as it seems our deliverance will be near.
    Horror amidst all the building and prosperity and life can change in the blink of an eye.

  30. jacqueline says:

    Wow, Ted thanks you don’t realize we were discussing this today before I read this and it is right on the money of what we concluded. The Bible is clear believers and followers of Christ can expect to be where he is. It isn’t just a few anointed ones that are chosen and the rest of the Church is to submit to these ones.
    I believe the Bride class is different and are chosen from where the Bible actually says she is chosen.
    And all other Nations, Tribes, and Tongues make up the Church.

  31. jacqueline says:

    Greg, I listened to “fire” and got some additional talking points on how to discuss that there is no concept of a burning hell or torment of humans. Thanks for posting. I will listen to the next one tonight.

  32. Greg says:

    I wanted to share a discourse I really enjoyed. What I really liked about it was that it was thought-provoking and scripturally presented. I’m not suggesting it is the definitive final say on every idea presented, but it sure gave me some scriptural support for things I already believe and appreciate from my own scriptural studies.

    Ideas discussed include:
    Is Hell a literal place of fiery torment?
    Where is the place of torment located? In the earth, or in heaven, in the presence of God and Jesus?
    What does Ezekiel 16 say as to the future of Sodom?
    How does one understand Jesus Parable about the rich man and Lazarus?
    What about the wheat and the tares?

    Listen to David Rice explore these and other questions here:
    Go to: http://www.dawnbible.com/rls/catalog7.htm
    and scroll down to: 910 Fire
    or directly download the mp3 here:
    http://www.dawnbible.com/rls/1994gc/rls_1994gc_910.mp3

  33. jacqueline says:

    Ted, thanks for this strong scripture. I love Jesus account in John it is his last words to us as to all we have to do to get to God.
    I feel confident in studying alone and in our small group and with anyone now, with just the Bible. I will read others thoughts in books but not devote myself to a study of any book for hours weekly but the Bible.
    It isn’t healthy to devote so much time to one man’s ideas on the Bible. Holy Spirit can let my heart and mind discern what Jesus says.
    John is worth memorizing, Jesus is laying it out here.

  34. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    I was reading John 14 this morning. It makes things so clear!

    Jesus tells us in vs 6 : Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

    Here he makes it clear that he is the only mediator between God and man, not an organization.

    12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
    So if we truly believe in him we will show by our actions that we are true followers of Christ and will manifest this in our lives.
    15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
    23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
    25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

    Yes if we truly believe in Christ and faithfully follow his footsteps we have the wonderful gift of Holy Spirit as an advocate. The Advocate will teach us and remind us of Jesus words, helping us to understand his word. While we always want to consider others views the bottom line is that we allow Gods spirit to direct us. Books are wonderful and many brothers and sisters have expressed much insight into the Scriptures. We never want to ignore the opinions of others. We can learn much from the insight of other Bible Scholars. Pastor Russell has much fine Bible based truth and fine advice, but neither he nor any man or organization has been commissioned by Christ to be our ADVOCATE! Only the Bible should be our final authority! It is only by being taught by Holy Spirit under the direction of our King and mediator Christ Jesus that we gain salvation and the promise as true Christians.
    What is that promise? Notice Jesus Words:

    14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”

    There is no ambiguity here! All true followers of Jesus have the wonderful hope and promise that if we are truly faithful, we will be with him when he returns! There are many fine points in this chapter. I could not cover them all. But I found it very encouraging and thought I would share what I personally got of this wonderful message.

  35. Greg says:

    I recall reading the Bible cover to cover with fresh eyes, and without the fear and terror I had been programmed with, and then I recall seeing so many things come clear to me—#1 thing: Ransom for ALL—and wondering to myself, surely I can’t be the only one who’s discovered these insights and truths. In the years since then, my questions have grown faster than my answer base, but my understanding has deepened and been so enriched that I often forget how far I’ve come, and how many things I had to sort out/overturn/abandon/etc… to get here. It does make it seem lonely sometimes, and I fully appreciate Jesus’ words to his disciples, “I have so many more things I’d love to tell you, but you’ve already got enough to try to assimilate. I won’t burden you with them at this time. Soon, though…”

  36. jacqueline says:

    Dave when you asked one week; “who wants to just study the Bible only with me, without filtering it thru long-held beliefs or any dogma?”
    As radical as the idea was (yes we have been doing book studies of one man’s thoughts only) I said I would, then Henry, then Jeff and the ragtag team was started.
    There were attempts to derail us but we have persevered and seen God say to do this!
    We were still on BigBlueButton 45mins after you hung up and then more conversation by phone until 1 o’clock am. The incredible insight into Matt 24: and Luke 21 noticing how Luke is all about the actual events of to 70CE. The four apostles asked about the end of the world and now instead of trying to harmonize we realize these are different.
    So I ask, why is it that no religion we have been associated with realized this?

  37. Greg says:

    I am eager to join on Thursdays. Meantime, in reliving the discussion on our Ex-JW comfort meeting tonight, I was reminded of something that I wondered about that would have fit in with the discussion from the 29th. Jacqueline suggested I leave it here as a question to stimulate curiosity in the minds of others.
    What happened to all the golden temple decorations, artifacts, and utensils after the destruction of Jerusalem? Where are they now, today?
    I have a pretty good idea, but wondered if anyone else had any idea.

  38. jacqueline says:

    Dave, I really like these notes and summary. Now we will be able to focus our research on certain differences and see what is going on here.
    As a witness, we couldn’t get the proper understanding of any future happenings in the
    Olivet prophecies because the witnesses teach “replacement theology”. Since the Jews will accept Christ as we have now learned, we have to take a fresh look at these prophecies.
    Dave and others, I am just loving digging in the Bible in the 21st century with the internet as help in getting at knowledge fast.

    Daniel 12:4
    ASV “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”

    AMP “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the scroll until the end of time. Many will go back and forth and search anxiously [through the scroll], and knowledge [of the purpose of God as revealed by His prophets] will [greatly] increase.”

  39. Marjo says:

    I’m looking forward to be in this one too next week.

  40. Dave says:

    Nubby:
    UK is 5 hours ahead of me.
    We start at 8:00 PM ET, which is 1:00 AM UK.
    Better grab a nap.
    We’d be very happy to “see” you next Thursday or any Thursday.
    Dave

  41. jacqueline says:

    We had a powerful study tonight. Renee and Una had prayers that calmed our hearts.
    Dave, Kent, and Jeff, brothers in Christ, the conversations were tough but we all benefited. Welcome our other brother listening in.
    The computer network specialist in California, Josh, that helped us with connection suggestions, thank you so much. All of this made our study tonight a blessing. We will meet again on Thursday.

  42. jacqueline says:

    https://www.thetimezoneconverter.com. Nubby try this with your exact city. Put Chicago as other city. CST.
    It would be so nice if you could come on tonight. Thanks for commenting.

  43. Nubby Tope says:

    I’m in UK so what British time can I join in?

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