Berean Bible Study Group- Welcome
David H. from Tennessee is moderator
Every Thursday at 7PM (CST) 8pm (EST) 5pm (MT) you are welcome to join our Bible discussions using just the Scriptures. We welcome your thoughts and research.
The alternate phone number is: (302) 202-1117 enter code 979945. The time is 7pm (CST) 8pm (EST) 5pm (MST) for both networks. (Only if BBB network is down)
Acts 17:10-11 KJV
(10) And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
(11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
While we certainly claim NO increased nobility, we practice receiving:
“the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”
We WELCOME all who are seriously wanting to study scriptural matters without relying on a single person, group or an organization of human filters.
We believe in and practice :
In scriptural essentials – UNITY
In interpretation – LIBERTY
In ALL things – CHARITY
Summaries and updates will be posted below after each study. Thank you
On 12/13/2018, we began by reviewing Matthew 24:15-31 and its associated Scriptures in Daniel, 2 Thessalonians, Revelation and Maccabees.
We also discussed the timing of the prophesy in Matthew 24:14.
The remainder of the meeting was devoted to looking in depth at some verses in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.
So far in our study, we have learned that the traditional “harmonization of these Gospels” is part of the problem.
Since Matthew is so detailed, we can be forgiven if our natural inclination was to tend to lean on his rendering.
And yet there seems to be a substantial disparity between his record and that of Luke’s.
Numerous elements appear identical in both accounts, so it's just natural to assume that they both deal with the same event.
Attempts to “harmonize” them have continued to yield a veritable minefield of confusion.
And the excitement in their study.
So we have determined to set aside all of our presuppositions, and simply trust the integrity of the texts to improve our understanding of these passages.
In our next meeting on 12/20/2018, we are going to continue our examination "with all readiness of mind, every day examining the Writings whether those things were so" (Acts 17:11 Young's Literal Translation).
End of notes.
12/6/2018 MEETING NOTES
|Mount of Olives
People (Luk_20:45 and Luk_21:5)
|When THESE THINGS -(Temple Destruction)
and Sign of THY COMING
And END of the world Mat_24:3
|When THESE THINGS -
|Mat_24:4-8 = BEGINNING
Mat_24:9 = THEN
shall they deliver you up
to be afflicted and shall kill
you and ye shall be hated of all nations.
they will lay their hands
on you and persecute you
|Jesus answered questions
About the destruction of
Temple earlier in day
(in Luke) so now He
proceeds to answer other
questions about His coming
and the end times.
|The chronological Oder
|Mat_24:9 & Mat_24:14 mention "all the world" and "all the nations" which seems to indicate Jesus was speaking of a worldwide end times event.
Worldwide language is used throughout all of Matthew 24.
|Luke does not write about worldwide persecution until begins writing of what takes place after the signs in the sun, moon and stars and then universal language is used twice.
|Mat_24:10 - Jesus speaks of many falling away in the end times||Luke does not metion
|Mat_24:12-13- Love of many will wax cold, but he that endures will be saved||Luke does not mention
By 70 AD, Luke's gospel was just beginning to spread. It wouldn't make sense to say that love would grow cold unless he was speaking of end times events
|Mat_24:12 - Iniquity shall abound||Luke does not mention
|Mat_24:3 - they ask about the end; in Mat_24:14 Jesus says, "and then the end will come".||Luk_21:9 - the end is not by and by.
The end of the age is not a first-century event.
|Mat_24:21 - Tribulation||Luke does not mention
It's only in the future when the events of Matthew 24 unfold that the great tribulation occurs.
|Mat_24:15 - spoken of by Daniel.
Dan_9:27; Dan_11:31, and Dan_12:11
|Luke does not metion
|Matthew does not mention armies surrounding Jerusalem||Luk_21:20 - first-century attack on Jerusalem|
|Matthew does not mention this because Matthew deals with worldwide persecution||Luk_21:23 - Great distress
Luk_19:41-44 - did not accept Jesus and did not recognize Messiah
|Matthew does not mention this - Matthew deals with worldwide persecution and by the time Matthew's events happen, the Luke account will already be ancient history.||Luk_21:24 - led captive into all nations|
|Mat_24:29 - these signs (sun, moon and stars) take place IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of THOSE days||The time period is left wide open. Nothing is said to take place "immediately
Jerusalem will be trampled until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled
There is an unknown amount of time between the triple sign (sun, moon, stars) mentioned in Luk_21:25
Why would Luke jump from talking about the destruction of the Temple to the end of the system?
What Luke does is easier to understand when we think of it in terms of dual prophecy.
Dual Prophecies consist of two predictions:
type - a short term event
antitype - a long term event.
Could Luke 21 (Jerusalem's destruction) be the type, and,
Matthew 24 (great tribulation) be the antitype?
It appears that early Christians did not understand type and antitype and expected Jesus to return in 70 AD.
When He failed to appear, some were very disappointed and disillusioned.
Some lost faith and stopped believing.
THAT could be another type.
It's antitype might be all those falling away after Bro Russell's 1914 prediction, and the JW 1975 prediction.
Failure to understand the duality of prophecy also played a role in the Jews' rejection of Jesus.
Sometimes a prophecy is partially fulfilled:
Jesus read from Isa_61:1-2, but stopped short mid-sentence Luk_4:19-20
The portion of the prophecy that Jesus read was fulfilled in type during His earthly ministry, but the last part of Isa_61:2, the antitype, will not be fulfilled until the end times.
Yet not all prophecies are dual. Jehovah's prophecies about ancient city states like Tyre, Sidon, Ashkelon and others do not appear to have an antitype.
Generally, it seems dual prophecies are mostly those which deal directly with Israel or the Church.
On 11/15/2018 we completed our study on Second Death, by harmonizing Rev_2:11, Rev_20:6, Rev_20:13-14 and Rev_21:8.
Using Scriptures we concluded:
We probably don't have to worry about Second Death;
Second Death is Millennial Kingdom timing.
Similar to Daniel, Revelation is telling the future in advance in pretty deep detail;
Jesus never claimed to have the keys to Second Death;
Chronology of Revelation - the verse are basically in chronological order, but refer back to bring the student up to date on topics;
Jehovah does not deal with mankind directly right now; we must go through Jesus;
Jehovah uses Second Death to rid the world of evil, evil people, evil entities; and,
NO human or organization can condemn any other human to Second Death.
Also, Brother Henry presented a discussion concerning the Scriptural meanings of Fire and Brimstone.
On 11/22/2018 we will not meet.
On 11/29/2018, we will begin our study to harmonize Matthew 24 and Luke 21.
"What is Second Death?" Revelation 2:11; 20:6; 20:10 20:14; 21:8
(2) What the churches may have represented; and,
(3) the relevance of Rev 1:1-3 has to this subject.
(1) It's relevance to 1Tim 4:15-17; and,
(2) Second death.
(1) Review last week's information and discuss any additional scriptural references;
(2) Begin our study of:
(a) Rev 20:14
(b) Rev 21:8
(c) Rev 20:10
Oct 25, 2018 – TOPIC: Second Death
After reviewing and discussing anything from our previous meeting's study, we will commence with our scriptural study of Revelation 20:6, as well as whatever other scriptural topics related to our main topic, arise along the way.
Oct 18, 2018 – TOPIC: Second Death
We reviewed last week’s discussion of first (Adamic) death and scripturally reasoned why, what it means to us, what it means to Jehovah, how Jehovah’s Plan is fulfilled, and how Jesus and His Ransom Sacrifice fit into the Plan.
We continued by discussing in depth Revelation 2:11, what the Scriptures prove about the expression “He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.”, with emphasis on the scriptural meanings of “overcometh”, “hurt” and “second death”.
We were blessed by Brother Peter Karavas from Chicago Bible Students joining us and providing valuable insights to our study, as well as giving us his views concerning important and weighty questions from our group.