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If Satan wanted to hide the true path what better way than turning attention back to the physical “nation” that Jesus turned away from, after God rejected it.
As you said you learned the truth in the beginning, and Jesus also cannot lie. The replacement statement he made, using one line, needs no translation, and was exactly that, a statement of replacement.
(Matthew 21:43) . . .This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits.
(Matthew 21:42) . . .Jesus said to them: “Did YOU never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes. . .
We both know that the deep things of God are hidden from the intellectuals.
(Matthew 11:25) . . .At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes.
In two thousand years those experts looking for a connection of fulfillment in the “nation of Israel” have not been able to find it, as you haven’t. “All who spring from Israel are not Israel”. This makes no mention and is not a reference to the “nation” of Israel. In fact Israel’s offspring are misled by those wishing to call themselves Jews. Jesus called them “builders” stating again plainly that they are not Jews.
If anyone takes a pencil and notes the progress of frame of mind and its changes from Adam through Abraham, and Israel/Jacob, and Israel’s sons, who are in fact Abraham’s offspring, there is no doubt they will arrive at the same conclusion as Paul does in Romans, you cannot be born a Jew. You mentioned Mary, even though born in the line of David, she also had to be of the right frame of mind and heart to be a Jew.
I believe you have an exceptional love for God, but put simply, if the majority of those calling themselves Christian believe in a “doctrine” which is a fixed train of thought that can go no further, it is wrong.
(Matthew 7:13, 14) . . .“Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
This is just about as simple as it gets. When looking at a direction to draw closer to God it will not be the common thought on earth among any large group. You are set free by the truth, and if you found the freedom from the witnesses remarkable, freedom from the world altogether will really impress. You left the witnesses; you’re now working on finding some “way” that makes “sense”. It will not be in the broad way just as it wasn’t in any other time. When Jesus came how many knew the truth and when he left how many; very few. Even then the apostles had trouble keeping those in the groups that gathered, in line with the truth. The apostles themselves said outright that after the apostles were gone the congregations remaining would be overrun and controlled by wolves.
But again as you say we disagree, for now 😉 So I’ll let it go. We’ll just have to let others make their minds “UP”.
The travelers, I leave you with this clearly stated word from Jehovah God concerning blessings and curses for those that curse Abraham’s Great Nation. God does not change.
In 1948 A NATION WAS BORN IN A DAY, and this scripture still applies particularly vs 2.
Every modern marvel of progress is founded by a Jew almost. The cell phone, internet, Scientist etc. The whole world has been blessed by the Jews and the ultimate master Blesser of the world will be Christ the King. Christ will rule from the throne of David that will be located in the actual earthly city of Jerusalem for 1,000 years and those Christians will be the ones ruling with him. Especially those beheaded by the false savior, the Muslim nation. Christians are beheaded daily in these nations of Islam. Especially Nigeria.
The Jews are Jehovah’s timetable. So want to know where we are in the stream of time? watch what happens to Israel!
Genesis Chapter 12: 1-3
Abram’s Call and Migration. 1 The Lord said to Abram: Go forth[a] from your land, your relatives, and from your father’s house to a land that I will show you. 2 [b]I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the families of the earth will find blessing in you.[c]
Just stopped by to see if you’ve made any progress, lord willing. while it’s tempting to just look at the word Israel, it’s a necessity to remember that as Gods people the sons of Israel passed through time, they had many names applied to them by the world. They also had several nations over them. The nation of Israel the political provision used by God to rule them until Jesus came was one such nation. It’s history is clear right up until it was rejected by God. I’m not sure how this fact keeps getting lost. The true Jew’s left with Jesus to form a new nation. This is a very simple basic fact laid out in the Bible with no doubt what so ever, by any Bible scholar. But Russia and how it may figure into the world scene before it disappears is interesting, Or do you believe China will let it remain once it has served it’s purpose. China wants Taiwan, so with no risk it allows Russia to test the waters. This weakens not only Russia but the west. All governments, all nations will come to an end you know this already. Maybe it would serve better to learn something about the “New nation” and how it will be, than watch so intently the ones passing away.
(John 5:39) . . .“YOU are searching the Scriptures, because YOU think that by means of them YOU will have everlasting life; . . .
We miss you guys hope all is well. love your bother an sister the travelers.
Hello Travelers, Henry has been asking for you. I hope everything is okay and you guys are safe.
I have faith that Jehovah God nor Jesus can tell a lie. The oholah and oholabah marriage of Ezekial explains the unique marriage and divorce and reconciliation of Jehovah with his wife.
Oholibah means “my tabernacle is in her”—this represents Jerusalem, where God did establish worship. Both Oholah and Oholibah engaged in prostitution ( spiritual infidelity) in Egypt in their youth ( Ezekiel 23:3 ). The older sister, Oholah, later played the harlot with the Assyrians (verses 5–8).
Jehovah says he will bless those that bless Israel and curse those that curses her. AMERICA is an example of a nation that has been blessed because of its loyal support of Israel. Otherwise her decadent morals would have taken her out by now.
He told Moses and Abraham that they and their descendants would occupy a vast amount of land. This has not happened so far, but it will. He simply CANNOT LIE.
Isaiah clearly shows that tho her sins are scarlet Jehovah will forgive her and he has taken a bride from among his wife for his son.
Anti-semitian is vast because satan hates Israel because it will be where Jesus not him will rule when Jesus returns.
Many religions have dropped that old idea of the Church replacing Israel because Israel became a nation again in 1948 and captured Jerusalem in 1967 and President Trump made Jerusalem the capital by acceptance and decree. Thus being made president in the 70th year he fulfilled the Cyrus and Jehu template.
Before Israel became a nation again from the dry bones of Ezekial coming to life, many religions didn’t know how to understand the scriptures about the Jews.
But now they all do and realize that just as Abraham could depend on Jehovah keeping his promise, we too as Christian heirs grafted into the ROOT of the tree, ISRAEL, can trust him also.
Jehovah says any word that goes out of his mouth will come true.
Jehovah wasn’t confused when he talked about a nation that was dead for 2,000 years. He knew he would rescue his disobedient people after they had suffered.
I believe Michael, not Jesus, stood up for them according the Daniel 12 during the holocaust.
The Western nations went to their aid and they got land again to call home.
Russia and Ukraine have far too many disobedient Jews still living there and Jehovah will send out the hunters to drive them home.
By means of Israel all nations have been blessed this day. Science, the internet, the cell phone and so much more including drip irrigation has been just a tiny bit of how they have blessed this dying world that Jesus will rescue for 1,000 years.
Take care treavelers.
“He told Moses and Abraham that they and their descendants would occupy a vast amount of land. This has not happened so far, but it will. He simply CANNOT LIE.
Isaiah clearly shows that tho her sins are scarlet Jehovah will forgive her and he has taken a bride from among his wife for his son.
Anti-semitian is vast because satan hates Israel because it will be where Jesus not him will rule when Jesus returns.”
Hi Jacqueline, Just into cooking breakfast but thought I’d give you a heads “UP” on where I’ll head when I have a moment to write.
“He told Moses and Abraham that they and their descendants would occupy a vast amount of land.”
Jesus at adulthood took a stand expressing faith in the Father’s choice of himself as the Messiah and King. In doing this he became a “son of Israel” and an offspring of Abraham. As a true descendant of Abraham, by both physical and more importantly mental frame (having an approved frame of mind), Jesus within the process inherited the earth,( vast amount of land) as a “true Jew, the firstborn of Abraham’s offspring. Jesus legally crossed from being under law, legally dead to God, to reconciled to God. Jesus received the earth as his inheritance through his earthly linage by God’s promise to Abraham. Then by the fact that he was also God’s first born Son, inherited kingship over the heavens. This constitutes a two-part inheritance for the first born.
You have the mistaken idea that what we are pointing out is somehow anti-Semitic, when in fact it is quite the opposite. Paul points out in depth that it is not what you are on the outside that makes you a Jew but the frame of mind you hold. Jesus pointed out this fact clearly about those who call themselves Jews but are not.
When reading Romans remember Paul was not a judge, so he talked about his fellow Jews, brothers in the flesh. Paul could not tell who really was a Jew and had heard Jesus’ voice, and who hadn’t. Remember Paul had recently become a “Jew” (one of God’s people) himself, even if it took a miracle. On the other hand Jesus could see clearly.
The main problem with what you’ve written is that a lot of it is correct, although you miss apply it to the “Nation” of Israel, a political governing organization. The true “Israel” you should be looking at is the sons of Israel, the offspring of Abraham.
“Not all who spring from Israel are really ‘Israel.’” “For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit.”
A “Nation” over Israel will be reestablished, a “New” Nation, over Israel. This will be in the “holy land”, (1 Corinthians 3:9) . . .YOU people are God’s field under cultivation. . .,
I could go on by pointing out that inheriting the “earth” might have more to do with what you are made of, than the planet you stand on, but breakfast waits, only if I stop somewhere.
(2 Corinthians 4:16-5:5) . . .Therefore we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. 17 For though the tribulation is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing weight and is everlasting; 18 while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting. 5 For we know that if our earthly house, this TENT, should be dissolved, we are to have a building from God, a house not made with hands, everlasting in the heavens.
By Jesus being King over heaven and earth our citizenship IN the earth is assured.
2 For in this dwelling house we do indeed groan, earnestly desiring to put on the one for us from heaven, 3 so that, having really put it on, we shall not be found naked.
“Make your minds over”
4 In fact, we who are in this TENT groan, being weighed down; because we want, not to put it off, but to put on the other, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
This happens when we receive our full inheritance.
5 Now he that produced us for this very thing is God, who gave us the token of what is to come, that is, the spirit.
So a house not made with hands, but frame of mind. This so that, that which kills us, an unapproved frame of mind ceases to be, and that which is immortal takes its place, an approved frame of mind.
I will try to write a response in the order of your written consideration. Be assured though that we believe in the twelve tribes that we have joined. We look forward to the New Nation “OVER” God’s people from true Jew, to all of us grafted into the true vine, Jesus. We are very pro Semitic and happy that they and us have become footstep followers, brothers all.
Travelers I do understand that you take the view that you were taught as a witness. I just happen to see Jehovah statements as fact. He does not change his mind. I know all about Jesus being the ultimate fulfillment of the seed of Abraham, those things are learned very early in a Christians life. I am going deeper now and not accepting the “Replacement Theology of the pre-1948 Nation of Israel being born in one day.
So that is my belief. Simply stated Jehovah is not finished with the literal nation of Israel in the middle east. Actual blood-born Jews from a Jewish mother.
Israel is his wife and that is the land he has chosen for himself. Psalm 82 and 83 explains this.
We, Christians are grafted into the vine, Israel,. We, Christians are not the root, that is the blood-born Jewish nation sitting in the middle east. A graft is not the host.
I know we disagree because you basically follow Witness and Russell’s teachings. I do not.
But at least readers can see that the Bible speaks of a Nation of Israel in out end times and they can go and look it up and convince themselves on the subject.
This discussion gives them food for thought as they see the Jews being hunted and driven back to Israel.
Soon we will see the Ezekial 38 war play out as it is already poking it’s head above water with the alliances of Russia, Turkey and the other nations.
It\’s unfortunate that you didn\’t learn enough of what the organization calls present truth to understand that what we stated has nothing to do with the JW organization or Russell.
\”I just happen to see Jehovah statements as fact.\”
I think a one person or many does not establish fact. As you said, we disagree and the Bible says we both see in a \”hazy outline\”.
\”Actual blood-born Jews from a Jewish mother. Israel is his wife and that is the land he has chosen for himself. Psalm 82 and 83 explains this.\”
You are again forgetting that Paul established in Romans that there are no blood-born Jews.
Simply looking at the clearly stated laws of inheritance in the Bible should have put to rest the idea that the temporary provisions of the old nation continuing is not a possibility. Of course the fact that Jesus says outright that the kingdom of Israel would be taken from the nation of Israel and given to a New nation should have settled the issue then and there.
If you truly wish to be freed by the truth, let go of the ideas held by both the Witnesses and the Trinitarians. Their framework of reference has led to almost no understanding of the Bible. In fact, the apostles predicted just that. I can think of no mainstream doctrine that is not still focused on the physical nation of Israel, even though they are responsible for the death of Jesus and to this day reject him. This seems remarkable given that no room for this idea was left by Jesus\’ statement that the Nation of Israel was rejected, and a new nation would be established.
Anyway, as you say we disagree, that\’s ok sister. We can accept few in agreement, that is the way of the end, few will enter/understand. As a matter of fact, the Bible says if the time had not been cut short no flesh could be saved. In other words, no one any longer could find God. As you stated, someone else was interested in where we were on the path. We hope that in some way your and our exchange has helped others weak in their knowledge/faith to look deeper than the doctrines they have learned. \”The truth will set you free\” means exactly that, free from everything, politics, doctrines, the world experiencing descent into chaos. The physical is temporary.
The Nation of Israel\’s attempts to re-establish its connection with God and the Bible through force didn\’t work in Jesus\’ day, and still doesn\’t matter in this day.
\”We, Christians are grafted into the vine, Israel. We, Christians are not the root, that is the blood-born Jewish\”
(John 15:1-10) 15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the cultivator. 2 Every branch in me not bearing fruit he takes away, and every one bearing fruit he cleans, that it may bear more fruit. 3 YOU are already clean because of the word that I have spoken to YOU. 4 Remain in union with me, and I in union with YOU. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, in the same way neither can YOU, unless YOU remain in union with me. 5 I am the vine, YOU are the branches. He that remains in union with me, and I in union with him, this one bears much fruit; because apart from me YOU can do nothing at all. 6 If anyone does not remain in union with me, he is cast out as a branch and is dried up; and men gather those branches up and pitch them into the fire and they are burned. 7 If YOU remain in union with me and my sayings remain in YOU, ask whatever YOU wish and it will take place for YOU. 8 My Father is glorified in this, that YOU keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples. 9 Just as the Father has loved me and I have loved YOU, remain in my love. 10 If YOU observe my commandments, YOU will remain in my love, just as I have observed the commandments of the Father and remain in his love.
(Romans 2:17-25) . . .If, now, you are a Jew in name and are resting upon law and taking pride in God, 18 and you know his will and approve of things that are excellent because you are orally instructed out of the Law; 19 and you are persuaded that you are a guide of the blind, a light for those in darkness, 20 a corrector of the unreasonable ones, a teacher of babes, and having the framework of the knowledge and of the truth in the Law— 21 do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? 22 You, the one saying “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples? 23 You, who take pride in law, do you by your transgressing of the Law dishonor God? 24 For “the name of God is being blasphemed on account of YOU people among the nations”; just as it is written. 25 Circumcision is, in fact, of benefit only if you practice law. . .
(1 Corinthians 9:19-21) . . .For, though I am free from all persons, I have made myself the slave to all, that I may gain the most persons. 20 And so to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to those under law I became as under law, though I myself am not under law, that I might gain those under law. 21 To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, that I might gain those without law.
(Galatians 3:26-29) . . .YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.
No blood-born Jew.
Thank you for inspiring free expression from all vegetable eaters and meat eaters alike.
(Proverbs 9:8, 9) . . .Give a reproof to a wise person and he will love you. 9 Give to a wise person and he will become still wiser. Impart knowledge to someone righteous and he will increase in learning.
(Philippians 1:9) . . .And this is what I continue praying, that YOUR love may abound yet more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment. . .
Sincerely, the travelers
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The travelers, I removed the extra comment, and thank you.
You and I don’t see eye to eye on the Jews as many Churches took up the doctrine of substitution of the Church for Israel. There was no Israel for over 2000 years so they figured these scriptures that state Israel must mean the Church.
THEN A MIRACLE HAPPENED IN 1948! The Nation of Israel was borne in one day. Blindness is upon them now so that when Jehovah opens their eyes it will be to His glory. They will be at near defeat and hopeless when Jehovah will forgive their sins and disbelief and fight for them in Ezekial 38 and again at Megiddo.
So, this is something that we must wait to see, but it is clearly outlined in the Bible.
Perhaps out readers will go to Youtube and put in Israel and God. They will get a lot of Godly men who can explain it. John Hagee is an expert on these scriptural proofs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCsoPkGd61I&t=1482s Jerusalem and WW2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9hqdBVzZw&t=2586s Russia and Israel.
There are many more links in the Black box of this website.
Here’s the links to the article about Putin and Iran’s meeting today.
So, Henry, Six centuries before the crucifixion of Jesus, Ezekiel foretold of a future invasion of Israel (Ezekiel 38-39). He said it will occur in the last days (Ezekiel 38:16). It will come from north of Israel (Ezekiel 38:15; Ezekiel 39:2), and it will involve a coalition of nations led by Russia (Ezekiel 38:2). The nations Ezekiel cited include:
Rosh = Russia
Magog = Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan
Persia = Iran
Cush = Sudan
Put = Libya
Meshech, Tubal, Gomer, and Beth-togarmah = Turkey
For years an alliance between Russia, Shiite Iran and a Sunni Turkey seemed very unlikely – but that has all changed as evidenced by this weeks meeting.
Is this a mere coincidence? Never in history have these three nations formed an alliance. Now, all three have troops stationed directly to Israel’s north just over the border in Syria.
We also have Afghanistan back in the camp of Islamic nations thanks to Bidens diasterous pull out… which lines up with Ezekiel. One of the few nations to protest the invasion of Israel in Ezekiel is a reference to “Sheba & Dedan” launching a verbal protest but nothing more.
Many Bible scholars link this area to Saudi Arabia and coincidently Saudi Arabia is in the news this week for warming ties with Israel and clearly putting itself in the anti-Iran camp however it’s fear of Iranian ambitions would lead to nothing more than verbal protest. No one comes to Israel’s aid but God Himself.
The Bible indicates that in the “latter days” the Lord will put a “hook in the jaw” of these nations listed and according to the prophet, “you shall ascend and come like a storm; you shall be like a cloud to cover the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.” (Ezekiel 38:9)
Some speculate that “hook in the jaw” could be Israel’s newly discovered oil and natural gas riches which directly affect the Russian economy as it uses oil & gas to choke European support for Ukraine.
Other analysts believe Russia’s alliance with Iran could be a “hook’ if Israel pre-emptively attacks Iran’s nuclear program, resulting in retaliation by Iran and the ensuing conflict draws in Russia. Some reports even this week have Iran on the verge of a nuclear breakthrough with Israel promising they will never let Iran progress to a full weapon. It seems inevitable that conflict between Iran & Israel is coming.
For now we see the alliance of nations forming exactly as Ezekiel described. Now we await the “hook”.
IRAN (Persia in ancient times) are agreeing to a deal with RUSSIA (Rosh, Meshek, Tubal in ancient times) to send military drones to help Russia in the war against Ukraine. Do you think that this is the beginning of the coalition that the Bible speaks of in Ezekiel 38?
I would suggest that you read the article that is posted, listen to the video in the middle of its page (Russia the End Times?) and look up the scriptures that mentions the ancient names and shows what they are in our modern times. You will feel richly rewarded when you understand this prophecy. I certainly did! I\’m seeking out more and I will post them in the future for observation and discussion because my understanding is not etched in stone.
Henry, these are some very interesting articles. Russia was thought to be dead but it seems the head of this beast has healed.
This is a link that explains the world powers down through the ages and how what they did to Israel as a nation is always done to them.
Perry Stone has an interesting thought on the Gog mention that I sort of agree with, that although Gog might manifest in a man, It is actually a Prince Demon.
Gog is seen again in Revelation after 1000 years. Enjoy
Many people who are following the events of the Russia and the Ukraine war. They are wondering if the Bible says anything about Russia and other countries. YES it does! Read Ezekiel 38th chapter and this article in the link below.
We\’re living in exciting times! Keep on the watch!
Henry, we are indeed living in Bible times!! And it is God’s will that we try to see where we are in the time of the end. So many Christians posting and talking trying to figure it out. So glad we have the freedom to listen to many voices. Exciting times!
I am fascinated by Jonathan Cahn’s youtube on Trump (et), Israel and how Gog of the land of Magog might be on the move because the Ukraine Jews are going home.
Also here is another minister that helps those just learning about Gog.
Henry so today is Tuesday and 2 weeks into the war in ukraine. It seems things aren’t going exactly as planned but one positive thing is the Jews are going home to Israel.
Putin is presenting a proposal that if accepted by Ukraine will give him a way to save face and stop the war.
He wants Ukraine to recognize the areas that are already pro-Russia. Compromise is what you might have to do when neither party is winning.
Our thing is to see where is Jehovah-God in all this and I for one think it is the Jews!!!
They had a huge population still in Ukraine. Now with the over 6 million in New York, I wonder if they will be called to go home also.
These are exciting times indeed.
I found this discussion on the Mark of the beast to be food for thought. Enjoy!
Wait for the video to load. It is a very accurate Biblical explanation using maps to show quite a bit about Israel and its future events.
You can’t understand Ezekial 36-38 if you believe that the watchtower society is the Jews mentioned.
If you believe the valley of Dry bones was Rutherford and his organization in 1919.