How would a Jew view a Scripture- let’s talk!

Most of us view the Bible from our native language viewpoint. We have found some scriptural references that give a clearer understanding when our Jewish Rabbis and Jewish friends explain it to us.

Some of the friends have Jewish friends and would like to share some of the things they have learned from a Jewish perspective.

Perhaps you have something to share also on what a Jew might have thought when He heard, for instance, the Lake of Fire in Revelation.

Use the comment section to start the conversation, please.

 

12 Responses to How would a Jew view a Scripture- let’s talk!

  1. jacqueline says:

    What actually is Paradise according to scripture mention?
    Luk 23:43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

    2Co 12:4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.

    Rev 2:7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

  2. jacqueline says:

    I was just thinking, the Bible was God breathed because the Jewish writers wrote of things they didn’t even understand. The old Testament writers never imagined Messiah would come twice. And the New Testament writers were told by Jesus he would come again but they didn’t realize it would be 2 thousand years later. Yet they wrote and we can look back and understand but they didn’t The Bible is truly a message outside of time from God. The earth appears to be on fire and lots of stuff happening all together. It won’t be long it seems.

  3. jacqueline says:

    Rene, thank you so much for this information. It gives a lot to think about. I also corrected the link. Is it correct now? Thank you.

  4. Rene says:

    December 25th conundrum

    Jacqueline,

    This was a really great article on December 25th. I agree that speculating that December 25th is Jesus birthday is most probably inaccurate, but I can see why the author stopped short of not concluding it is pagan without further consideration. But I would also agree that the date is highly important to pagans and connected to the death and rebirth myth found as a central theme in many pagan religions. We do know that many pagan cults draw from the central origin myth of Nimrod worship and what later became Tamus worship.

    As we know from scripture in Genesis, Nimrod was a great hunter in opposition to God, he constructed many impressive cities, diverted the great river in the near east and built the ziggurat a structure meant to serve as a monument to human rebellion against God. Nimrod with the assistance of his wife/mother created a cult of worship around Nimrod and Satan was highly involved. Nimrods crimes were eventually addressed by a tribunal or righteous men (some believe that one of Noah’s sons Shem organized the trial), and according to Hyslops two Babylon’s Nimrod was executed and dismembered, the pieces of his body sent to all of his principal cities.

    God according to scripture (Genesis 10) also confused the languages and the division disrupted Satan/Nimrod’s grand works. Nimrods mother quickly created a rebirth myth citing that her son had survived his unfair execution and was reborn through the impregnating holy rays of the sun as a conqueror and was born of his mother/wife as a divine birth occurring on December 25. This perpetuated myth was then carried with the groups of followers of (which God confused their languages) all across the globe. This is why the myth of the God who died and yet lived, reborn of the sun without male female intercourse is found in many cultural myths (Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis and Attis, Dionysus spring instantly to mind).

    In reality, Nimrod’s mother gave birth to another son she named Tammuz not of supernatural means. She declared herself a goddess and provided proof of her divinity by creating a rabbit (common Pagan symbol of fertility) that could lay eggs. Pagan priests would reenact the Tammuz creation myth by ritually impregnating temple priestesses and would ritually murder the infant born during the winter equinox (December) and would take eggs and roll them in the infant’s blood. This incidentally is why I excuse myself from invitations to paint Easter eggs on Easter which is also the other name given to Nimrods mother/goddess.
    Tammuz would later on be killed while hunting a wild pig. Nimrods mother added another feature to her cultic practices which involved ritually killing pigs and weeping and fasting for 40 days in order to commemorate his death. Truly devoted Tammus worshipers would forego one earthly pleasure during this time so that Tammuz could enjoy it in the afterlife Incidentally, pork according to some Hebrew scholars was considered unclean mainly because this was an important ritual food consumed by pagan nations under Satanic control and Weeping for Tammuz was an abominable practice that even occurred in Israel during its apostacy (Ezekiel 8:14).

    Trees and sacred worship of tress was also considered an expression of Nimrod worship as well as placing ornamental balls on the tree (Hyslop’s Two Babylon’s). These were understood to represent Nimrods genitals and the tree was an erect penis from a heaven looking downward vantage point. This is important because Nimrod was dismembered (in contrast Jesus was not to have broken bones) but his genitals were not recovered by his devotees. Each aspect of the worship was designed to offend God and show solidarity for his enemy Nimrod the rebel and (according to a fair number of scholars) an Antichrist prototype.

    Another problem with the December 25th date is that it does not correspond to any known festival or High Holy Day on the Hebraic calendar which would be very odd considering the fact that the exact timing of the arrival of the messiah was given in advance to the prophets and common knowledge to the people of Israel. This spawned a number of false Messiah’s during Jesus time which took advantage of the preordained timing of the Messiah’s appearance according to Josephus and other contemporary scholars.

    It is also interesting that the practice of making children pass through fire was alluding to the cult of Molech/Baal/Nimrod in which children were placed in the outstretched arms or “Lap” of the bronze fire heated idol of the deity. Adults would then ask for favors from Molech as incense and music covered the screams of the infants and distressing odor of their flesh burning. Molech is also known as Saturn and Nimrod Kronos, and Baal according to scholars and was likely the God that the Israelites offered through fire Amos 5:21-26 (symbolically and literally). Christmas which is often connected with December 25th is also translated “Cristes Maesse” in early English meaning mass of Christ or literally death or killing of Christ on December 25th a term rejected by Protestants and Lutherans and other denominations. There are some references concerning the term below.

    01. World Book Encyclopedia, vol.3, p. 408, 1986 ed., World Book Inc., Chicago, IL
    02. The Catholic Encyclopedia, R.C. Broderick, 1975 ed., Nihil Obstat, Richard J. Sklba, Censor Librorum. Imprimatur, Archbishop William E. Cousins, Milwaukee, WI.
    03. The Mass In Slow Motion, Ronald Knox, 1948, Sheed & Ward, Inc., New York, NY. Nihil Obstat, E.C. Messenger, Censor Deputatus. Imprimatur, E. Morrogh Bernard, Vic. Gen

    So, I am in agreement with many occultic religions that claim prior ownership to the significance of December 25th as an important day relating to their deities as there is a great deal of evidence that this date predated Christianity in importance. The relevance it “allegedly” has to Christianity I think is something that each Christian should research and reflect on.
    https://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

  5. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Matthew 9:20 Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak. 21 She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.”
    22 Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.
    What was the significance of touching the fringe of his cloak?
    https://weekly.israelbiblecenter.com/the-fringe-of-his-garment/?via=dab9dc4

  6. TedR says:

    Is Christmas a Pagan Holiday
    Interesting insight from the Israel Bible Center
    https://weekly.israelbiblecenter.com/christmas-pagan-holiday/?via=e1ad811

  7. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I should just say thank you so much for this link and leave it but I won’t, I can’t! This is information that you don’t see.
    I for one can’t understand Revelation without going back to the Jewish old testament.

    Meeting together to study in small groups is so nice, we learn a lot from being able to go back and forth and read entire chapters, not just the one verse wonder I call it.
    Some don’t understand small group study, they have the mind think that you have to be in a congregation of 115 or more and pay for a building or build one.
    That is okay if it is what they need in their spiritual walk, but it is fine with God and Jesus if we meet in small groups to study and not have to rush through a book or stay in a book until everybody gets it. Get what the writer of the book sees.

    I am still listening to this and enjoying it and recognizing that Jesus was a Jew. And his groups weren’t really big until the huge Church systems came about with it’s paid clergy.

  8. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    In my studies of the early Church I came across this on YouTube!
    History of Christianity: Early Christian Worship
    https://youtu.be/fw56BWL2cn4
    Very interesting and enlightening thoughts!

  9. jacqueline says:

    In an early interaction, God told Moses that He will send his angel to guide Israel along the way. The people of Israel were warned not to disobey God’s messenger, because he would not forgive their transgressions. (Ex. 23:21)

    Moses approached God with a very bold request indeed; He asked for God to personally accompany Israel instead, refusing to move anywhere without His own personal presence. Why did Moses take the risk of challenging God? Why did he think that the original arrangement would not work?

    In the end of incredible experience of seeing the back of God, hearing the words that described his fundamentally gracious and forgiving nature (Ex.34:6), Moses disclosed his real reason: “If I have gained Your favor… let the Adonai go in our midst, because this is a stiff-necked people. Pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for Your own!” (Ex.34:9)

    In other words, God should go with Israel and forgive them, precisely because they are stiff-necked people! Since God already said that angel would not forgive Israel if they rebel against him (Ex.23:21), Moses knew that his only hope was to persuade God Himself to come instead. While being hidden in the cleft of the Rock, Moses understood that YHWH (unlike His angel) was able to forgive “iniquity, transgression, and sin” (Ex.34:7). It was a match made in heaven: Israel had sins, YHWH had forgiveness.

  10. jacqueline says:

    By Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

    Two Gospels record a meeting between Judean Jesus and a Greek woman (Mk.7:24-29; Matt.15:21-28). Jesus goes to Tyre and Sidon (allotment territory of the tribe of Asher that was never fully taken over by Israelite). There he meets a desperate mother willing to do anything for her suffering child: “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely tormented by a demon.” (Mat. 15:21-22)

    As we continue reading we see that Jesus first gave her the silent treatment. Then, when his Jewish disciples demanded he answer her, he responded: “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” However, the woman was relentless. “She came, knelt before him, and said, “Lord, help me!” He answered her: “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” (Mat. 15:23-26)

    The most offensive statement, of course, has to do with Jesus’ comparison of Greek Gentiles to dogs. The key to understanding this text is found in realization that only in the modern Western world dogs are thought to be part of the family. Dogs (often) live inside and not outside of the family home, but it was not so in the ancient times in the East. In other words, the comparison to dogs was not meant to dehumanize the Greek woman but to emphasize that Jesus’ primary mission was to Israel – to those inside of God’s family, not outside of it.

    Understood this way, we see that there was nothing dehumanizing in Jesus’ response. It is no different from what Apostle Paul would later write: “…the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, and also to the Greek.” In spite of some misunderstood statements about his seeming disregard for the physical family, Jesus here says – family first!

    But what made Jesus act differently towards her now? Clearly it was her response: “Yes, Lord,” she said, “yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus replied to her, “Woman, your faith is great. Let it be done for you as you want.” (Matthew 15:27-28)

    This Sidonian woman displayed the true faith of Israel exemplified in the Torah by both Abraham and Moses. Just like them, she was willing to argue with God, believing with unwavering faith that He is just, good, and merciful.

  11. Rene says:

    We need to understand that everything that is written in scripture is there for a reason. The conversation that Jesus had with his mother is very controversial and it has been altered from the original account in John to accommodate Christian aversion to believing that Jesus was disrespectful in the way in which he spoke to his mother.

    I think that Jesus was not only respectful of his mother but was also assertive as an adult who viewed God as his head in perfect balance. In the account in John speaking of the wedding feast at John 2:1 there is an indication that this was an Orthodox Jewish festival as evident from the water purification jars that Jesus instructed the attendants to fill with water and draw water from. This is an important point to mention because there was likely a pharisee presiding over the ceremony and it would have fallen to him first to see to the needs of the guests. Jesus made mention of the fact that the Pharisees in his day liked the prominence of their position but did not like to do the real work involved in shepherding the flock.

    A historian well versed in Jewish customs brought to my and others’ attention that Jesus was likely pointing out to his mother that he was simply a guest and was not immediately responsible for providing additional wine to the attendees of the feast. Since Jesus’ mother was in a supervisory capacity it was more appropriate that she go first to the head of the feast whose job it was to see to (or buy himself) the things needed for the guest and it was not disrespectful for Jesus to point this out.

    Jesus also mentioned that his time had not yet come and I interpreted this to mean that he was recognizing the limits of his authority and even in this small situation did not assume control that had not been expressly given him.

    When Jesus did make the decision to assist, it was likely because he had been given leave to by the spirit that resided in him to direct the spirit to miraculously provide what was needed at the feast but only with God’s permission to do so. Jesus was obedient to God and respectful of his parents in all things and understanding why he responded the way that he did is important because it illustrated his willingness to wait on God in all things.

    Another interesting point about the feast. The water jars that were used to make the wine, were purification jars. The Pharisees believed in ritual handwashing to an obsessive degree and the jars themselves would be considered impure. God did not require this of his people, but the Pharisees created laws designed to honor the Pharisees and magnify not God’s power but their own when people were forced to obey them. If the Pharisees knew that they were drinking wine from those purification jars they would have spit out the wine believing it to be unclean even though God had created this miracle and nothing unclean could come from him. God was demonstrating through this miracle a clarification of what he required and what could be ignored of the doctrines of men.

  12. jacqueline says:

    Rene, you shared with us how your Jewish friend explained Jesus’ encounter with his mother at the marriage feast.
    Would you like to share it with us, please?

    Lee Anthony has a Jewish perspective also on some scriptures.

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