Overcoming Addictions With God’s Word – with Lee Anthony

 The Podcast is located here: https://askjacqueline.life/podcasts-with-lee-anthony/

THIS IS MY STORY: by Lee Anthony

“Note: My background is not just in Bible study, but I am qualified from personal experience and on the job training from working with those having substance abuse issues to answer questions and give counsel to anyone suffering from the affliction of addiction whether it be you personally or someone close to you. This is part of my ministry in my walk with Christ.”

                        

GOD'S WORD HAS POWER

 

I began my Christian walk in 2009. Prior to my conversion and baptism, I was in no way shape or form a Christian. I did not meet Jehovah’s witnesses until mid-2012, this was during a three-year period that I will describe as a sabbatical. I spent 8 or so hours a day during the week reading, studying, attending Christian meetings and studies, listening to radio programs, watching t.v. programs, even writing letters to ministries asking for information. I spent most of my time during this period searching for the right church. I figured there had to be a church somewhere who had it all right, who knew love and unity as taught in scripture. Before I start, I will go back to before 2009 for a little more background information.

I was involved in alcohol and substance abuse all my life. I was selfish and did not treat others well at all. I was arrested on occasion and did some time in different types of institutions because of drug use and other activities. I began my spiritual walk at around 13 years old when I became interested in an involved with witchcraft. This was how I identified myself for the next decade and a few years thereafter. In 2006 I studied some and took on some forms of eastern religion as well, Taoism and some Zen Buddhist type stuff. I mixed religions for a few years, always being close to but still far from Christ as I always ended up with at least one friend who was a Christian and I learned some here and there but never could accept the idea of God or Christ and the bible being a book from God. In 2009 I hit rock bottom and ended up losing everything and had nowhere to turn. I read a book by a former Rock star turned Christian, it happened to be my favorite metal band, and something about the story set me to searching and I began attending a small bible study group. I listened yet never said much and stayed away during the prayers. This went on for about 2 months 2 times a week, and I finally started to read the bible and ask questions. I read more testimonial type books and talked to my grandfather some about things as my grandparents were always churchgoing Christians. Very good loving and forgiving people, always taking us grandkids to church as children. I don’t remember the day or what exactly moved me to do so but I decided one day while reading that this God was real. Jesus was historically real, I could not find evidence to the contrary and somehow it all started to make sense. I dedicated myself to do whatever I had to do to serve Jesus right then and there. I attended the meeting that week and told them I was ready to give up my old life, I was baptized the next week, this was around November or so of 2009. That is when I began my three-year search for truth.

I began with the Rapturists, moved on to Baptist, Pentecostal, numerous non- denominational groups, and even into Adventist and other 7th day groups like the living church of God and followers of Armstrong. I found very little in the way of what Jesus taught but did take bits and pieces of each that seemed to fit with scripture and discarded the rest. I read into and studied with Greek lexicon and Hebrew word study bibles, I figured English was not the best way to understand the Bible as so much is lost in translation as I learned some Spanish and French and realized that translating one language to another is not word for word and not really all that simple. The reason I began my study with Witnesses is because many of the things they were teaching I already had come to believe on my own journey. The trinity was false, hell was not a burning place of torment for mankind, the soul and death were not as taught in mainstream Christianity and Jesus was the Son of God and not God himself. That was the tipping point for me, as I believed in a sort of duality, as God and Jesus are one, but the Holy Spirit is not God. This is a rare teaching I found, and one taught by followers of Armstrong, and to me made sense yet I found it to be false according to further scriptural examination. I was drawn to witnesses because of these basic teachings and began attending meetings with them and started a bible study with an Elder in 2012. I was finishing up school at the time, which is what I did during my Sabbatical, and I decided to become a witness since they seemed to be what I had been looking for those past few years. At this point I had already made all the necessary changes that were required by J.W.s, I was clean, I was not involved in any relationships, I had quit smoking and drugs etc. in 09, I cleaned up my language and had moved hours away from home, so I was no longer around old friends. I was not involved in politics at all nor did I celebrate holidays, this was easy as my old religions all my life did not do Christmas or anything. I only had to give up Halloween, a pagan holiday from my past and I had to accept the faithful slave teaching and that I had to be baptized again. I decided this was easy and put it to the side and went ahead and did it. I moved in early 2013 up to the City area 4 hours from home and started attending the local kingdom hall and I went to work doing Landscaping, something I had gone to school for when I was 19 and never really got into. I had just finished culinary arts, had my certification and decided not to even use it, but after my baptism in November of 2013, just 8 months after joining the J.W.s as an unbaptized publisher, I began auxiliary pioneering and because full-time work got in the way of preaching and helping at the kingdom hall, seasonal work fit the bill. Six months after baptism, which is how long they made us wait, I started pioneering, a.k.a. the full-time ministry. This involved 70 hours minimum per month of preaching, and I was also being trained to be a servant in the Kingdom Hall. I already had my own meeting days for service and was giving talks and doing the literature servant position as I had all the time I needed to do these things. I was working a job for a drug rehab center that gave me free rent in a studio as part of my pay and I had started my own mowing business so that I had more time for the J.W.s. Both jobs gave me a lot of freedom as I set my own schedule for one and I was required to only be available during certain time periods each week for the other. Having so much responsibility helped me maintain my focus and stay clean, as did working with those who had substance abuse problems.

I pioneered for 2 years, and It was during this period that I met my wife and we began dating and decided to get married. She had two children, one of which was still living at home with her, so this was a new responsibility for me, one that I knew would involve me stepping down from my pioneering sooner rather than later. I had already had some doubts about how things were handled with me at the hall. I did not quite accept the faithful slave teaching and some of the constant changes that were made but I kept this all to myself. I began drinking again on a nightly basis and this became a habit that would get worse later. I had to change my live-in job at the rehab center not only because I had started drinking more again but because I lived in a one-room apartment on the grounds of the center itself and outside people were of course not allowed to live with me. After I was married I moved with my new family to another kingdom hall in a low- income neighborhood that was not exactly safe. It was during this time I began to see things were strange at the meetings, I was not treated the same in the new hall, I had no responsibilities and was expected to start over, I did not like this and I started to stay home from service and was depressed, I stopped pioneering and we decided to move and start over in a smaller safer place. I got a job close to my old home, a few hours away in a rural area. A local elder offered me a position that was hard to turn down as it was a part-time job that paid full-time wages. We moved to this new small area with a small hall and they put me to work and I liked the way things were for a little while. Not long after, along came my son. At the time I had been struggling with alcohol and other problems again cause of the depression I had gone through. They took me and reprimanded me and stripped me of all my privileges at the hall. That is when I began to question things, they treated my wife badly when I stopped attending meetings, love was not shown and after my second meeting with the elders, I decided I would never attend the hall again. I had already begun researching the J.W. history, something I would never have done before, I read books by Franz and found the friends of J.W. site and contacted Greg and Jacqueline. During this period my wife and I had a really hard time as she was still an active witness pioneer, and she had just had our son and things were not well. She persecuted me, and I patiently tried to show her using the watchtowers own literature that the J.W.’s were wrong. It took some time but with the publications and the way her and my oldest son were treated at the hall she finally realized the love found there was conditional. She attended a bible student convention with me and met Jacqueline and this is where she really began to see things differently. She stopped meetings around this time and we started all over spiritually. I kept searching, she became a baptized bible student, but I would not be baptized again. I started slowly getting things back in order. I rebuilt my business and bought a home in a small area away from the hall and went from J.W. to bible student to free thinking Christian. My wife is now also seeing some flaws with the Bible Student Movement as well, as many follow a man and that man is not Jesus. I am essentially right where I began with one difference. I am no longer searching for the truth, I found it in Jesus, and I know the church. They are everywhere, they are revealed by their fruits, and the love they show, not by the knowledge they have or the group they are part of. I am truly a student of the Bible now and as I have always done and learned, I will stick to Christ and not stray from his word. Scripture interprets scripture and prophecy is of no private interpretation. I must live by every word of God and, I must keep my eye on the footsteps in front of me. Jesus gives me the eyes to see where he has walked ahead of me and Its up to me to stay on the path without detour.

I would be willing to talk to others and together search the scriptures for help and support.

Thank you

61 Responses to Overcoming Addictions With God’s Word – with Lee Anthony

  1. Lee Anthony says:

    Was able to compress the file, it is mp3 so will be playable by anyone with any device if posted as audio on page.

  2. jacqueline says:

    Oh okay, I thought I saw an email pop up. I will go check it out. It sounds good, we need to get a picture of you on your page.
    So far I am able to listen did you want to put it here so others can test and see if they can open this format? Or did you send it to others so they can listen also?
    We need to talk so I can show you how to actually post it on your page each time.
    I can’t find your phone number. Send it by email again, please. Thanks

  3. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    I sent over a link for the 1st podcast. Quality is best I can do with current equipment, am getting better stuff soon. Let me know if it seems ok.
    Lee

  4. jacqueline says:

    Lee, sounds good. Just pulled a few grands out of the Jacuzzi. Having a ball on the beach and they are raking leaves for me to make it thru winter.
    Henry brought over Bingo and they played for nice gifts.
    This is how families are supposed to be if claiming to worship Jehovah.
    The governing body almost won but my kids knowledge of the Bible
    Finally triumphed over a band of billionaires in Warwick, dead set on breaking up families that Jesus loves.

  5. Lee Anthony says:

    Rene,
    I’m definitely going to need the ideas and those sound like very good ones especially considering relationship with God outside of a group and finding the encouragement and needed help outside of one as most people are of the mindset that this is an absolute necessity and while I think fellowship is essential the question is, do we really need a large church like group? Many need answers to this and similar questions.
    Jacqueline,
    I will wait til after the holidays to get with you on your subject, especially if you are with grandkids. I will let you lead on that since you know exactly where you want to go with the format.
    I am close to being done with my personal intro interview, and I want to use that to branch off into the next couple episodes which will be you and also Rene to kick things off, It will be easier for me to test run things that way I think. I will send you my finished link for upload and post when ready, hopefully by end of year.

  6. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, Rene has some great ideas. My format will be in three parts. (1)1948-1970, life in the organization as a black woman under segregation, with just one man as a Company Servant. Not like any story, I have heard on the internet so far, the truth about that experience. (2) 1970-1995 The era of the governing body and the elder arrangement, its predictions of where it would be 30years from 1970. (3) 1995 until the present day. My goal is just to tell the story with no animosity, hatred or fear. I think it might surprise people as to why I left.
    So set up your schedule, you know you have 2 people waiting in the wings.
    I am in full grandbabies mold this week. I know God answers prayers.

  7. rene says:

    Lee,

    This is a great format idea for your pod cast. If I can lend a hand please let me know. One subject that might be of interest for your viewers might be anything that helps people cope with the spiritual, physical and emotional burdens of living in the time of the end. I know that probably sounds like a big topic to tackle, but in smaller digestible topics we might be able to start. I had wanted to talk about how to strengthen your relationship with God when you are not a member of a religious group, and what to do for spiritual encouragement. Just a thought, but there are a lot of timely subjects to chose from and I know that if it is something that assists the Holy Spirit in edifying others, you will assuredly find help from God in your efforts.

  8. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I like this interview format, plus it is a must-see for young people especially men.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL0fqpP_uH8

  9. Lee Anthony says:

    EVERYONE,
    The podcast needs your help. I need some question ideas for interviews and also anything else that could help, I welcome all thoughts and ideas as for format, etc… Our 1st episode will be released after the 1st of the year we hope. We will be doing an introductory episode with myself and Jacqueline and will be learning about the site, it’s beginnings and similar items. After the 1 st release we will release new ones once every two weeks to start with. We will have special talks, interviews, and perhaps even a live program down the road where the opportunity to ask questions on air Will be available through free conference call.com. You can contact Me now at aj.lifepodcast@gmail.com if you have questions, ideas, would like to be on to tell your story or just about anything at all related to the podcast. Thanks. Lee

  10. Lee Anthony says:

    Awesome Jacqueline! I think the search will help us quite a bit

  11. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I put the search bar to the right below all of the menus.
    I put in the word revelation and it brought them all up.
    I will probably position it better but I am tired. I have been out all day.
    This is a busy season.

  12. Lee Anthony says:

    For everyone on the call(s),
    We have the ability to record, edit, and more through multiple platforms, free conference call Itself will record but not edit.
    All plans, ideas, etc will definitely be needed if we are to proceed. Lord willing it will work out. The tech is fairly simple and easy to use since former servant training from JW’s is something I’m finding quite useful, It was preparation for the future just not the one they had in mind. 🙂

  13. Chris Johns says:

    Lee Anthony,
    I love Bob Carnegie’s materials. He really helped me see that there is no distinction between an awakening and a Resurrection. He said that the Sadducee’s didn’t believe in the resurrection and then followed up with the question: Did they not believe in the dead coming back to life or that they would be brought to a a full perfect standing up!? Also, the same Greek word for Resurrection is anastasis which is used in reference to those in the Old Testament in Hebrews 11:35.

  14. Rene says:

    Hi Lee,

    Thank you for your continued support in this area. I agree with you, we had a great meeting and it was so enthralling I hadn’t noticed how much time had passed. What I was most excited about was seeing how the spirit works within the body of the members collectively when we are humble and treat every member as equals.

    Everyone has something important to contribute, but I never get to see this in organizations that focus so heavily on authority (especially top down). There is no room for diversity among worshipers in contributions to what should be collective decisions. I think about this when I consider the situation that biblical Joseph was in with his family.

    I read an amazing synopsis from a scholarly perspective about the case of Joseph and his dreams. I hadn’t noticed the dysfunctional family dynamic until it was broken down for me, but had you considered the possibility that God offered a glimpse into his plans to save Jacob’s household through Joseph and that a misunderstanding about how God views authority and leadership stumbled the entire household of Jacob?

    It should be remembered that God communicated some wildly important things to Jacob the biblical patriarch and custodian of the promises passed through Abraham. Dreams should have commanded a great deal of respect with Jacob by this time, yet when his son Joseph had dreams about Gods plans for their family, not even Jacob treated this with the sort of reverence and respect that we should have expected.

    Recall in Genesis 37: 9 Then Joseph had another dream and told it to his brothers. “Look,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” 10
    He told his father and brothers, but his father rebuked him. “What is this dream that you have had?” he said. “Will your mother and brothers and I actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”

    God was communicating to Jacob how he planned to save Jacobs family, but Jacob viewed the dream as an assault on his authority as a patriarch and stopped believing with confidence in the goodness of his sons character as well as Gods tragically. It had not occurred to Jacob that every man of God is God’s tool and can be called upon to serve in any capacity from slave to master.

    God first sent the savior (Joseph) to Jacob, but he rejected God’s savior and unwittingly opened a way for God to save more than just Jacobs household. It was a pagan king who showed more respect for God and the dreams he communicated through than Jacob who was a believer in God and had been given many dreams. This pagan king who was taught that he was God on Earth had less problem with relinquishing his authority (than Jacob and his other sons) to God and to Joseph because he realized that much was at risk and his concern was more for his people than his position.

    This situation has a great many parallels to the Messiah and God and much in the same way as the rejection of the Messiah by his people opened a way for the gentiles who showed more respect for God (and his chosen prophet) even though they had not been given the prophets, the holy writings, and the miracles entrusted to the Jewish people.

    At some point, the religions of the world may find much like Jacob found that when crisis struck and the world engulfed in famine, that God may not (if scripture and history are any indication) work through them exclusively, but may make a way out for everyone through others in the body of Christ.

    It will take humility that many of the church and religious leaders are simply not capable of to acknowledge that God is not saving others through them (despite their high positions and affluence) and despite the wealth Jacob had accumulated, he was not spared the ravages of the famine and had to come to Egypt (pagan and believer alike) and be saved by Gods hand and not his own.

    God’s human tools are very plentiful and diverse, they work best in a cooperative system where everyone respects the spirit in their fellow brothers and sisters and welcomes Jesus work being accomplished speedily and mightily where there is not opposition over rank and privilege at the expense of the will of God being accomplished in all things.

    Just a thought I had, and a word of encouragement that you are on the right track with the podcast and I am eager to see what the spirit moves you to do with it as well as what resources the spirit delivers to you and what obstacles will be pushed out of your way.

    Thank you so much for your efforts in this matter Lee and may God bless you in all you do for our body 🙂

  15. Lee Anthony says:

    There is a plug-in called blappsta that we can test out where we can set up an app through android and/or iOS. It is used primarily for blogs which is similar so it may work for us, If we want to try and see I can check it out, there are a couple this one is compatible and tested on this version of the site while the other is untested thus far and is only for Android. There are others as well so it’s a possibility, though many are costly

  16. jacqueline says:

    Great Brandon, I will put the minutes on tomorrow on the stressbusters page so it is accessible for our next monthly business meeting.
    Tired now been working on our project all day.

    So do you know how to get WordPress to make us an app for play store so people can download?

  17. Lee Anthony says:

    Saturday was a good long meeting so a good one to be the business meeting since we discussed so much.
    The avatar can be done through admin and by updating the user profile through gravatar, they can upload a picture and crop it to fit from phone or tablet or computer.
    I have put the WordPress app on my phone and iPad so I can do everything off of cpu. It’s simpler that way usually. I can do just about anything we want to do through this program, it’s packed full of all kinds of good stuff.
    I will be ready to record so if everyone votes yay then we will get started. I have a starting plan for introductory podcast, need ideas and stuff from everyone eventually.

  18. jacqueline says:

    Great we will take a vote. BTW I love your gravatar! You found out how to make one.
    If you did it thru the site let everybody know how to make theirs. I did it but I forget what I did.

    I will also post the minutes of our meeting because Saturday was the December business meeting.

  19. jacqueline says:

    So now we understand when he said I loved Jacob but Esau I hated, actually meant to a Jew He loved Jacob a little more as His best friend and Esau a good friend.
    HE BLESSED ESAU more than any nation on this earth! Dubai and other nations of Arab origins show that they had a problem however, they don’t share the blessings. They live like spoiled children, even their children are extravagant in Dubai.
    With all that money they are still fighting over that little strip of land called Israel.
    They are greedy and hate other nations and engage in terrorism although they are filthy rich.
    They hate nations that like Israel. Fighting now for centuries.
    It is about heavenly warfare not about humans. Wicked spirit forces inb the heavenly places.

    Israel has created cell phones and so many inventions to help mankind that it would boggle the mind to realize some of the greatest inventions that come from the sharing Jews.
    So hate is a bad translation.

  20. Lee Anthony says:

    Considering Gods blessing on Yishmael….
    In Gen 17:20 we read
    As for Yishma’el, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

    I was reading up on Saudi Aramco, they are the most profitable company in the world. Apple is biggest here in the U.S. but Saudi Aramco tops Apple, google and Amazon combined according to one statistic on revenue last year. This is owned by the Saudi Government, that being the Saudi Royal family

    The Following is quoted from George Moshe Murray, Torah observant Jew; 13th generation American; historian

    According to Jewish Tradition all Arabs are descended from Yishmael
    However, the line of Yishmael also intermarried with Esav, Yaakov Avinu’s brother (Esau, Jacob our Father’s brother) and, of course these intermarried with other tribes of the Middle East, resulting in the various Arab tribes and other peoples in various lands.

    I found this interesting and though not everyone agrees on this point I find it very logical as the promise of God would certainly have led to such a blessing for the Arab descendants of Yishmael

  21. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    I need to do a test run and it would be good to try and record and then post our thursday study if everyone is agreeable to having it on the site. Wanna check wwith everyone

  22. Lee Anthony says:

    Awesome call tonight everyone! I see a lesson in this; A form of necessary therapy for those who suffer from addiction is group sessions in Many different settings. With our call it goes far deeper and can help us all in ways we don’t recognize at first.
    Our innate desire as social people to belong to something greater than ourselves and having had Yeshua step in and be part of that is So great that I have no words to really explain it. I thank God through Yeshua the messiah our Lord and king For each and everyone of you on the call, and also to everyone out there who reads on the site. You are the reason we are here, you out there who may share an experience with one of us, we want to hear from you too, help us help you, we want to make sure you get what we did from God when we were not in a good place by sharing our stories with others. If just one reader comes on a month and shares then we would have another to help and likely get more help for ourselves in return. Thanks again all and goodnight.

    Lee Anthony

  23. Lee Anthony says:

    We know satan likes to pick at our weaknesses, recognizing that is important. , MY failings don’t bother me as much knowing that God has used imperfect men who have fell VERY hard, Peter, David and his sin was grave indeed yet it was used to fulfill Gods purpose as Solomon being born Is no accident by no means. That of course don’t excuse the sin but just goes to show that God is much more and is not limited by sin. I have heard that he cannot be near, look upon or deal directly with sin yet he was there with Moses on the mountain and he was no perfect man. God talked directly to him with no mediation, Moses was sinful, He spoke with satan in heaven before his very throne, satan who is called sinner from the beginning. When Adam and Eve were “hiding in the garden” God came to them and spoke with them and clothed them. I don’t remember where I 1st heard this but it is often repeated by many Teachers and others, I know the thought is that relationship with God must be after being cleansed by the blood of Christ BUT I ask, what about ALL the relationships as a result of faith and trust that God has had with many before the blood was ever shed? This is a question I ask not for an answer but to get us thinking of theological issues that have always been accepted as Truth.
    We must question everything before we answer anything.

  24. jacqueline says:

    Lee. Satan had entered Judas by then and I guess it was sort of on. He was going to get Jesus captured (not killed because Jesus gave up his life when he decided it was done nobody took it!) by taking Judas down, then going after Peter. Peter got past that denial and never fell down completely again. He had a few other glitches mentioned after that when Paul had to reprove him before all. It seemed Peter had a little fear of what men thought and satan was picking at that. It only made Peter stronger tho.

  25. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    Ok will email better number to use

  26. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, that was me Friday. I have a client now but I want to talk to you about your counseling. I will call you after I finish working today.

  27. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    My wife mentioned a message on machine but didnt have a number show up. I think the phone gets directed to her cell

  28. Lee Anthony says:

    I wonder who and when satan asked this? Interesting that he would be coming to Yeshua often and bothering him. I would say its indicative of his normal routine, same as when he went to Gods throne in heaven speaking to God in Job?

  29. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, Luke 22:30-31 30so that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 31Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”…
    The text actually says satan has asked permission to sift all of them like wheat. Peter was about to be tested during Jesus’ trial. He denied him 3 times so after he got over this denial, go and strengthen his brothers.
    Also, Peter himself was crucified upside down. Not wanting to be upright like his Lord.
    Many others besides John died by various means of torture.
    But not a pebble fell thru the sifting, they all died faithful.
    My take on this.

  30. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I will do a search on the Peter question in the blue letter bible and get back with you on that.

    We were told Rev.12: was the birth of the kingdom and that the lady was God’s heavenly organization that this happened in 1914 Witness timeline and in 1874 Bible student timeline.
    But this is a child and we know that all those symbols identify that this is Jewishness or Israel that is putting forth this child by a woman only, Mary as foretold in Gen. 3:15.

    But because the Witnesses believe they are the Jews, they couldn’t correctly identify her and made something up. Most religions that adopted substitutional which was popular in the 1920- have died out now. With the 1948 event of Israel becoming a nation, many dropped that. Why the Witnesses lag behind is a question.
    The Bible Students believe that at this invisible 2nd coming in 1874, that the thousand-year reign of Christ began. That we are over 100 years into the thousand years.

    Yet it is in direct conflict with the word of God that says “every eye” will see him and not to go after those that say he is in some secret place in the wilderness or only visible to a chosen few. Why they go against this scripture is a question.
    When I asked about this they brought up the Chart to show me the overlapping ages thing. It looked good on paper but fail the test of the clearly stated word of God.

    Concerning Jesus saying he saw satan falling, he often heard Jehovah’s voice and the angels comforted him on occasions while he was on earth. God’s Spirit was on him and in him so he had lots of help to do supernatural miraculous things as a human.
    We know prophets of old had powers to raise the dead and stop it from raining and call down stuff also. This was because of Jehovah acting on them.
    I guess I was just wondering why there was so much demonic activity during Jesus’ time and you heard very little about that in the times before his birth.
    I guess I had to figure out what demons were first. lol
    I like it when we can come to conclusions from reasoning on the scriptures and not having just what an organization says.
    It gives you a sense of being connected to God because now we have this privilege to ask Him directly because of Jesus

  31. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    The timeline is interesting, the child being born and the casting out of heaven, it says they were conquered by the blood of the lamb, having been thrown out at this point seems to give an interesting timeframe. Jesus saw it, yet when? It sounds reasonable that it would be the extra activity at the time of satan and demons on earth while Jesus was there, he did come to Jesus in the desert yet in Job he was said to be going about the earth before his casting out, I say this as he was given access to the throne to speak with God and if he was cast out this access would be unlikely, so that helps us. I would think the casting out happened later in time perhaps around the time of Yeshua being born on earth or perhaps upon his return. I can’t say of course but I also presume, (this is a guess) that since Yeshua was on earth as a man the timing would have been ideal from satan and his angels to go up against Michael perhaps thinking they may have a chance while Yeshua is gone from heaven at the moment, of course this don’t answer how Yeshua could have saw satan being cast from heaven unless he had the vision while on earth…

    Something else I find of interest which reminds me of Job is in Luke 22:31
    31 The Lord said, “Shim`on, Shim`on, (Peter)behold, Hasatan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat,

    Satan asked to have peter, who and in what way did he ask?

  32. jacqueline says:

    This is one of those strange comments where I correct and tell myself, you are wrong. Lol
    Satan entered Judas, clearly stated in the Bible. So if a powerful cherub could enter then maybe when the demons left or forfeited their original dwelling place, in Heaven as spirits, they lost the right to produce a visible body anymore. Thus having to have a physical body to fully carry out their evil. Or attach itself to a dwelling in some instances. So maybe demons are fallen, angels.

    Also, Jesus expelled a horde of demons inhabiting one man and they asked if he had come to judge them at that time. A Roman legend could be 1,000 to 6,000. So maybe demons are fallen ones.

    This sends me on another thinking spell now. Since the child was born from the woman in Israel( Rev. 12:1-9) and Jesus said he beheld Satan fallen from heaven; could this huge amount of demons be the ones fallen in Revelation 12 where the angel Michael and his angels battled with Satan and his angels and was kicked out of heaven.

    Luke 10:18; “And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

    So I could connect the dots and easily see why they were so prevalent in Jesus’ day and onward.
    Also, they pursued his followers like a river flooding; after Christ death at Calgary.

    Just thinking out loud. It allows God to help us understand when we go directly to scripture and sleep on it.
    This is how you kick out the old 19th-century teachings that were indoctrinated in most of us from infancy.

  33. jacqueline says:

    Lee you and I are in the same part of the Bible it seems; so nice we can share our thoughts here and think out loud. That is how you get from under the mind control that Jeff Woz mentioned in his comment.

    I am looking into these unique “impure spirits” vs. 14 says they are “demonic spirits”
    Most just say fallen angels but the Bible never calls them that. They were prevalent in Jesus days and He even asked one set what was their name? Angels always appeared as human men when we were allowed to see them and could create their own bodies.
    These demons seem to have a host of an order higher than animals as it often drives animals mad as in the swine case with Jesus.

    Sons of God can talk by itself as we have seen in the instances in Noah’s day and they materialized bodies and are confined.

    I guess God has lots of things He just mentions as the deceiving spirit in Kings.
    Also when you look into the oceans you see that are varieties of creatures right here on the earth.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJMZ6reOB0E&t=2126s

    One good thing we know is if you are full of the spirit they can’t get in. That is refreshing but they will be around when this beast is around.

    Rev. 16:13 “12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.’

  34. Lee Anthony says:

    Rev 13)
    He deceives my own people who dwell on the eretz because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast; saying to those who dwell on the eretz, that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.
    15 It was given to him to give breath to it, to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause as many as wouldn’t worship the image of the beast to be killed.
    16 He causes all, the small and the great, the rich and the poor, and the free and the slave, to be given marks on their right hands, or on their foreheads;
    17 and that no one would be able to buy or to sell, unless he has that mark, the name of the beast or the number of his name.

    How many of us are familiar with the difference in our world from the 3rd and 4th generation of our networks? Example, without 4g Netflix could not function…. o.k. 5g is underway and this will enable us to connect so fast and effectively that we can’t even imagine it. Our phone will be faster than the fastest WiFi network. I have a hobby no one really knows about cause I never speak of it, I study the stock markets. WHY am I talking about this here you may wonder? The mark of the beast is a popular Bible subject. A big theory is microchips, well we are well past the technology of chips. Chips operate our phones, tablets, and more. Without them it would not work. The ability to control wether all people can buy or sell without this mark is possible now but will be VERY possible with a network like 5g. Everyone can be connected to an account and likely the 1.7 billion people who don’t have a bank account will be able to connect to a bank account and more. Consider this, everyone will be able to connect to this network with a chip using only a phone. Also consider blockchain currency like bitcoin, it is limited. It cannot be made and Cannot be reproduced. Once the available number of coins is reached that’s all there is yet with paper money it can be printed over and again with nothing tangible to back it, So digital is the way that it seems the world is heading, some places are already testing the idea for business and they are using the tech to operate and no money as we know it actually changes hands. These things are all interconnected. The internet of things as they call it in this Information Age is leading mankind to a very interesting place. Knowledge is key, the knowledge of good and evil for humanity was not a good thing and look at things now. 5g is not just downloading a movie faster, it will drive everything everywhere from our phones to the planes in the air, all made possible by this network and cpu chips. Just another fun subject to consider of many in the subject of eschatology.

    I am in no way stating this as any kind of bible fact or at all stating this is how it will be but it is just one more thing to consider that only just recently would even be possible.

  35. Lee Anthony says:

    This time of year can be wonderful for many as most are gathering with family and often thinking of God and Focused on being thankful, however this is also a very stressful season for many many people. SAD, or seasonal affective disorder is a problem that many people suffer from. I bring this up as many who struggle with addiction tend to be More prone to relapse this time of year. The added stress of the season along with some of the problems caused by SAD such as lack of sunlight and exercise, stress from holiday Activities like shopping and extra family gatherings are but a few of the causes. There is a saying in the recovery world, to be aware is to be alive
    Luke 21:34-36)
    \”So be careful, or your hearts will be loaded down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that day will come on you suddenly.
    For it will come like a snare on all those who dwell on the surface of all the eretz.
    Therefore be watchful all the time, asking that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will happen, and to stand before the Son of Man.\”

    It is always good to take time out for prayer and study and to be alone with God, especially during such a stressful time, and if we are one of the many in a battle with addiction then being aware of our triggers and focusing on prevention during this time of extra stress and overstimulation should not be taken lightly.

  36. Lee Anthony says:

    Obey God in ALL things and let the chips fall where they may! CHOICES

    Can I be Perfect in Gods eyes? Through faith in his Son The Messiah Yes. Through trust in Almighty GOD our Father who sent forth his only begotten. Daniyel (Daniel) was found innocent through his faith, His TRUST in God and through his action as a result of that faith and trust.

    Dan 6:22
    “My God sent his angel and shut the lions’ mouths; and they haven’t harmed me, for I was found INNOCENT before him. And also before you, Your Majesty, I have not done harm.”

    The word innocent here is an Aramaic word that is found only once in scripture, it is purity or innocence in The eyes of God. Daniel didn’t have things easy, he waited and trusted in God and was used by him to fulfill many purposes all the time in exile serving one king after another. I am moved by the book of Daniel not for the amazing often hard to understand prophecies, but for the trust in God and the actions of The man Daniel every single day of his life. He was a man of works and of faith, a good example for us when we need to decide if an action or a decision we make or of one which we may support in a political way, or in an everyday decision regarding our children in public school or of what kind of moral stand we may take at work or in the public eye. The book of Daniel viewed in this way is one that is without question a moral lesson that servants of the most High and followers of Messiah do good to consider.

    (Rom 12:2)
    Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.

  37. Lee Anthony says:

    In some older Jewish stories there are instances where the act of suicide is not viewed in such a negative way as the individual may have been under so much stress or in cases been moved by a bad spirit (demon) to do so or that they are even doing so in order to prevent being forced to break Gods law by a captor or someone else and this would be the only way to stay true to God by taking ones own life. The Bible does not specifically mention this and though it is viewed as wrong by most Jewish and so called Christian groups we have no clear view from God himself that I can see. We never know ones circumstances nor do we know what they may be going through. We do know God will resurrect the dead and that God is forgiving and Just and anything that is a result of satans influence will be done away with. I have had a family member and more than one friend take their own life, my sons football coach did so, he suffered greatly from ptsd and was likely under great stress.

    Gal 6:9-10) It should be for us In our privileged position to comfort and help where we can in situations like this and not condemn nor speak down on anyone, especially in a case where it is church doctrine and not actually from God through his word the Bible.
    (2 Tim 3:1-4)
    The times in which we live are difficult to deal with for most everyone, the Bible is clear that during the last days things will be so difficult that everyone no matter if they are rich or poor, young or old, this world under satans great influence will affect us all. Some religions say we are already in the reign of Christ and that satan is locked away now, they obviously don’t consider others nor do they see what is going on in the world today, cause if this is Gods kingdom I want no place in it. NO, though our world is influenced by an unholy spirit God has given his Holy Spirit to his people and that is something that can and will always prevail against the evil in this world. Our comfort and our hope and all that is Good comes from Him.
    (James 1:17)
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.

  38. jacqueline says:

    Suicide, my heart just breaks over the mother and siblings having to hear the priest here:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/us/michigan-mom-sues-priest-for-condemning-suicide-at-funeral/index.html

    Does the Bible shed any light on this that he could have read before he opened his mouth?

    Early Christians knew they would be killed for preaching Christ. Yet they did it anyway.
    Is this suicide? Are they forgiven?

    John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

    The Bible does not use the word suicide but has many instances of it.

    When Abimelech was mortally wounded by a woman who dropped a millstone on his head, he cried to his armor-bearer to kill him so his death would not be credited to the woman (Judges 9:54).
    The mortally wounded King Saul fell upon his own sword lest the Philistines abuse him further (1 Samuel 31:4).
    Saul’s armor-bearer then took his own life as well (1 Samuel 31:5).
    Ahithophel hanged himself after his advice was no longer followed by King David’s son Absalom (2 Samuel 17:23).
    Zimri set himself afire after his rebellion failed (1 Kings 16:18).

    Additionally, some consider Jonah to have attempted suicide (Jonah 1:11-15). And Samson destroyed the Philistine temple, killing himself and all those with him (Judges 16:29-30). But many do not see this as suicide as much as an act of military bravery.

    The death of Judas is the only clear example of suicide in the New Testament (Matthew 27:3-10). Paul later prevented the suicide of the Philippian jailer and won him to Christ (Acts 16:27-28).

    Life is precious and is a gift from God. He promises resurrection even if you die. “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13).

    “This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live” (Deuteronomy 30:19).

    “The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the name of the Lord be praised” (Job 1:21).

    “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?
    You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).

    “No one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church” (Ephesians 5:29).
    Being fed to the lions or denouncing Christ
    (. Mark 8:34-36; John 13:37; Philippians 1:21-22). Is voluntary martyrdom considered “suicide.”

    Empathy is sometimes best expressed by being quiet and if what you say does not upbuild, keep it to yourself if it destroys people.

    How could a priest do this to this family? The child was deceased, so who was he talking to? What happened here?

    Spiritual abuse, that’s what happened!

  39. Lee Anthony says:

    In answer to “who do we think we are”, we are everyone who has ever suffered abuse and neglect and WE as individuals can relate to and try and help that one in a million person who needs it. I for one try and do as Jesus instructed his followers. And like Paul, I become all things to all in order that I might help some. I can relate to the homeless as I have been homeless, the addict as I have been addicted, the convict as I am an ex con, the minister as I am a former minister, in the city, in the country, as a father and as a son, as a husband and as one who is single, as an alcoholic and as one who does not drink, as a business owner and as one who works for others, the list can go on… I have been used of God at times when I knew not at all what my purpose was and if I can help just one person in any way at it would have been worth the effort no matter the cost.
    Hey 13:1-3
    Let  brotherly love continue.
    Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby   some have entertained angels unawares.  Remember those who are in prison, as though in prison with them, and those who are mistreated, since you also are in the body.

  40. jacqueline says:

    We know this website is diverse and covers different aspects of abuse using God’s word.
    So this is my answer to the person that asked “who do we think we are, “we can’t possibly help all the people suffering from Spiritual Abuse?”

    Well when you see a crew working along the highway picking up trash, with their sticks and gloves on, you speed by at 70mph. You might wonder how in the world are they going to clean up those hundreds of miles of highway?
    Then you see another crew as you drive 100 miles away on the same highway. Get the picture?
    Each city or group picks a little section of the highways, even adopting a mile or so by volunteers or churches and in that way each little group can clean up that entire 700-mile highway.
    ‘Teach each one to help one”
    We have thousands of readers but not a lot of writers because we encourage each one to start running like horses and spreading the joy of freedom down the highway.

    We do what we can by God’s grace and permission.
    I hope I answered your question and posted it for others to see what we hope to accomplish.
    If you met us you would see most of us are sick, older and some struggling with heartbreaking circumstances, we are a ragtag group and when we are weak that is when we are strongest.

    2Cor. 12:10 “That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.”

  41. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, also the two things I am looking into is that the:
    70years of captivity and exile that need when Cyrus released the Jews, is not the same:
    70 years of the DESOLATION of Jerusalem.
    I am looking at Jeremiah around 37 onward where he says don’t resell against Babylon because although conquered Nebuchadnezzar didn’t burn the city. They didn’t listen so he resonated the city by burning it down.
    2 different 70 years beginning at different times.
    Now that is as far as I have gotten on this but will listen to your links and see if we see the same issues.

  42. jacqueline says:

    Thanks Lee Anthony, I will go look for the one I heard also tomorrow.
    It is a shame we missed this that there are 2 seventy week periods in Daniel but they begin at different times.
    Now the 42 months make sense.
    If God is talking only to one organization why didn’t they see this. I know it might not have been time for understanding but to insist we stick to old teachings and not question this if you saw it years ago isn’t right.
    Glad we can search and pray for Holy Spirit help in understanding and recall.

  43. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    Here are two talks I think are related and talk on daniel and what we were talking about if I remember correctly.

    http://www.labiblestudents.org/2019/carnegie_bob__prophecy_and_humility_part_6.mp3

    http://www.labiblestudents.org/2019/Carnegie_humility_and_prophesy_part_7_the_man_of_sin.mp3

  44. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    From my experience alcohol just like medication or even illegal drugs often work as another way to help deal with, cover up, or make a problem seem better or more bearable. Eventually it becomes just part of the problem, or another one all together.. Like pain killers alcohol can dull the pain. Drugs or alcohol are often not even the problem but just a way to deal with many other issues, changing ones thinking and ways of dealing with stress is what is needed for a person to truly get better so with mental issues its usually another coping mechanism. Not always but most of the time a drug or alcohol problem is just a side effect of something deeper like ptsd.

  45. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, so let me ask you, what could you say to explain why a veteran or anyone suffering from trauma or PTSD would turn to alcohol?
    What is the correlation, how does alcohol help or hinder?

    During this season my company will be among the veterans community. I talk about God and forgiveness for those that remember the horrors of their experiences. I do one on one, mostly. M.I.N.D.S. is a concept of changing minds one at a time and that person helping another.

  46. Lee Anthony says:

    I can see how there are many similarities between the two, addiction is also a mental disorder, Im sure clinically they agree though I dont much like the textbook viewpoint on some things, they have tried making treatment a political issue and even change terms based on what may or may not offend. There are those who care and those who want a paycheck. My wife has a friend who suffers from ptsd, It is certainly not easy and is a day to day struggle which is something I can relate to.

  47. jacqueline says:

    Lee, I forgot to allow comments, I fixed it. Also I thought about making this a part of your page but forgot to discuss it with you. You are better for the veterans that I spoke with.
    Tomorrow I will reconfigure this to refer to your page so they will see that we have a person to help. Feel free to open up the conference call to speak one on one or as a group. I will refer to your page. We are a 501(c)3 for PTSD for veterans and everyone suffering from Spiritual abuse on dealing with their lives.

    I need to be at the computer instead of this tablet to make changes tomorrow.

  48. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    I couldnt post on the Broken page but thanks for that one! This is fitting for those who are like me and have addictions cause most of us are broken and think at one point there is no being fixed. I got the word tattooed on my chest cause I thought I was broke forever. Rock bottom. Jesus saw me down there and picked me up. Thank God the Father! Oh another scar I have to look at 😞.

  49. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, when you get the chance can you listen to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd6sNvWawr8&t=1318s at about 18:00 it shows that the two religions are so similar. I wanted to invite him to the Saturday program. I have been listening to his comparisons between the witnesses and the Bible Students because so many are asking about them. Henry is viewing it right now also.

  50. Lee Anthony says:

    PATTERNS in Gods word:
    Parallels Between Adam & Noah

    1. Both were on the Earth after it emerged from the water.
    2. Both were appointed to be the master over creation.
    3. Both were required to be fruitful and multiply.
    4. Adam was placed in the Garden to dress & keep it; Noah was a farmer.
    5. Both fell from God’s Grace after partaking of fruit.
    6. In both of them, their sin exposed their nakedness
    7. Both in being naked were covered by another.
    8. Both had curses placed on their succeeding generations.
    9. Adam’s 3rd son (Seth) would produce the Messianic Line; Noah’s 3rd son (Shem) would also produce the Messianic Line.
    10. Both had major prophecies as a result of their fall: Adam – the Seed of the Woman; and Noah – the destiny of his three sons.
    11. Adam’s & Ham’s sin: Failure to honor his Father.

  51. jacqueline says:

    Lee I am presently looking at all the patterns of saying it is like “a woman in labor pains”. It is used throughout the Bible.
    I just got back and will post all scriptures I find in Isaiah and different places.
    Got to take a rest after so much driving.

  52. Lee Anthony says:

    PATTERNS in Gods word.
    The ark (tebah) built by noah saved from water and the ark (tebah) made by moses mother in Exo 2 also saved from water. This word is not used in any other way in scriptures but these two places. The word in Exo should be ark and not basket in order to see this in english. Just a fun fact and something often missed because of most english translations.

  53. Lee Anthony says:

    Interesting fun fact… Food sacrificed to idols was an issue specifically pointed out as 1 of 4 things to the gentiles in acts 15 and it is repeated in a couple other places so we know how God views these things, 3 of these 4 are of the dietary laws and the other is also from the law so its safe to say they didnt just make it up for a new religion, it was just being taught to gentiles who knew nothing or very little about God as they were accepting the Jewish Messiah. If you ever see food at the store marked as Halal it has been prepared accetably for muslims to be able to eat. One thing to keep in mind is that Halal has been dedicated (sacrificed) to their God otherwise it cannot be called Halal. So as a follower of Messiah Jesus we must ask ourselves according to scripture, NOT conscience, is it o.k. to eat? I personally am very careful what I eat and read labels. Here are a few scriptures.

    Act 21:25
    “With regard to the Gentiles who have believed, we have written a letter containing our decision that they should keep themselves from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

    Rev 2:14
    “But I have a few things against you. You have some there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to place a stumbling block in front of the Israelites: to eat meat sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality.

    Rev 2:20
    “But I have this against you: You tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and teaches and deceives my servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat meat sacrificed to idols.

  54. Lee Anthony says:

    Info for study. This is not intended to sway the thinking of anyone else it is for informational purposes only and something I feel is important.

    1st, Jesus gave us a NEW commandment In John 13:34-35, or it seems as if it were new, however this love one another as I have loved you and to Love God, these being the two greatest commandments as Jesus said ARE NOT new at all but are being expressed by Jesus in a new way, this type of love was new to the apostles. To love your enemies and to lay down ones life for another is beyond what the command in the law stated. Levitus 19:18)Duet 6:5) Not new at all if we read the Old covenant scriptures….. 1 John 2:7-8)
    Jesus stated that he came to fulfil not to destroy the law, or he came to magnify or to give full meaning to it. Mat 5:17-19) He said not one jot or tittle will by no means pass from it till all things are fulilled, not just the cross but ALL things, til heaven and earth pass away, he states not to break nor teach to break these commandments. He then went on to talk about and give the true meaning to the commands such as killing is hating one in the heart and not just literally killing VERSE 21… ISaiah 42:21) tells us Jesus was to do this in his ministry.
    It is said that Jesus did away with the law including the moral code and 10 commandments by nailing it to the cross. A reading of (Col.2 and 3) gives context. We must decide for ourselves how to live. Included in the 10 is the Sabbath day, one that most churchs say is no longer part of the christian life even those that say the other 9 are. The law was a tutor that led us to Christ, after faith we are no longer under a tutor. Galatians 3:23-25) This is stated clearly, we are not justified by Law but by Christ and his shed blood, yet our faith working through love is what leads us in our walk with him Gal 5:6) Considering how God feels about things is important, reading the law is still good as it shows how God feels about such matters and if we do not murder or steal so that we show love to God and neighbor do we also know how God feels about his creation and his day that he has made Holy
    God gave the Law directly to moses and it was written in stone by Gods own hand, it was not inspired but given orally. Yet before this was even given God way back in Genesis set the 7th day apart and said it was Holy. All the other 6 days were called literally 1st day 2nd day 3rd day and so forth however the 7th was the only one given a name with any meaning besides just 1 2 3 4…. Shabbat means stop resting or working. So Sabbath as we know was a special Holy day declared by God from the very beginning. Jesus said in mark 2:27 that the Sabbath was made for man not just Jews but men in general. In Exo 31:13-17) it is said to be a sign between him and Israel forever. He repeats this command over and again and actually calls it a perpetual covenant, so it is stated as an eternal and everlasting covenant. As gentiles who are grafted into Israel does it apply??
    The apostles kept it and the church kept it until the Catholic church changed it a few hundred years or so after Christ. They were persecuting Jews and it was viewed as a Jewish idea to keep the original sabbath so they just made it sunday the day the Romans worshipped the sun god in times past that being the 1st day.
    There is no clear thought in the greek scriptures as to wether christians should keep this day as holy. We are not under law and that is clear however when it comes to the moral code and commands of God it is clear by Jesus words that we are to still adhere to these and actually are to act our faith out in such a way as to go overboard in trying to be holy, we are to to be holy in all our conduct. 1pet.1:15) We are always told to REPENT of our sins when coming to Christ so this implies action, we know faith is not simply belief as the demons believe! (James 2:19) Showing Love to others and God is done by following Jesus commands and also his fathers (John 15:10)
    Romans 13:9-10) \”For the commandments, You shall not commit adulturey, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in ths saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilment of the law.\”
    Jesus did away with sacrifice with his own sacrifice and many things have changed, but did God change? Did his feelings about the 7th day change? Did Jesus or men really do away with something the Almighty set aside as holy and called an everlasting covenant? This is something that as a christian we should all at least study and if you decide it is important or not this is of course your own choice. I have presented the information in as short a form as I could as there is much more but this is history and can be found through researching the early church and the writings of Moses and the rest of the inspired word of God. It seems that the church has been divided on the subject over the years and we know satan divides us all on matters of scripture and as I am currently revisiting every topic I have ever learned from men to prove to myself if it is so I felt this was important enough to post here and to consider further. The question I guess is this, is this a moral issue or not? Are only 9 of the commands given on stone tablets still valid? Are none valid? Are all 10?

  55. jacqueline says:

    Lee, this is the information that many requested from the Saturday night Testimony meeting. I emailed the Brother and He kindly sent this answer.

    It is Reprint 5284, “Doctrines More or Less
    Important,” August 1, 1913. It is a more or less famous article, known
    to many brethren, but cited more in past years than in recent years.

    R4685 — Is the Reading of “Scripture Studies” Bible Study? —- (Para
    11) These Scripture Studies are a great assistance, a very valuable
    help, in the understanding of God’s Word. If these books are to be of
    any value to us it must be because we see … them to be in full
    harmony with the Word and not antagonistic to it. Therefore, in
    reading them the first time, and perhaps the second time, and before
    we would accept anything as being our own personal faith and
    conviction, we should say, “I will not take it because these studies
    say so; I wish to see what the Bible says.” And so we would study the
    Scriptures in the light of these Scripture Studies; we would prove
    every point, or disprove it, as the case might be. We would be
    satisfied with nothing less than a thorough investigation of the Bible
    from this standpoint.”
    “… If … in any future reading, we should come to a place where
    something did not seem clear to us and we thought of some Scripture
    which seemed not as harmonious with it as we had previously thought,
    we would think it our duty to refer at once to the Scriptures, because
    the Scriptures are the standard, and in that reference to the
    Scripture it would be with a view to discerning whether or not we had
    been mistaken in our previous examinations.”
    (Para 14) “Further, we would say that now, having satisfied ourselves
    respecting what the Divine Plan is, we would understand that we had
    reached the place that the Apostle speaks of as being a qualified
    ambassador of God, a qualified minister of the New Covenant, and that,
    as a servant or minister of the New Covenant, we now had a
    responsibility in making known these things that we had learned.”

  56. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony hello and thanks for replying. Long-suffering is what comes to my mind when I heard what you are experiencing. I too look forward to our Thursday and Saturday meetups. I feel as Jeff stated Saturday: “I don’t feel so alone.” Everyone on here has had the same experiences and we have made terrific progress by having our study in only the Bible and researching other men of faith also. All of us are accepting now that it is the Holy Spirit from God that helps us understand his word.

    It seems strange that leaving one religious system, going into another has been revealing to me that Jehovah is trying to show us it is the source of both the systems that are the problem.
    Both systems are “Captives of a Concept” of only one man. There are others also that came from the “Miller Movement”. Seventh Day Adventist, Mormonism, all have the same “Concept” problem. Because they refuse to look at the Bible with fresh eyes they persecute people that leave their organizations.
    The “Witnesses” are not the only people that shun I have found out. And that is what the “Teacher, the helper”, Holy Spirit has helped us see.
    We needed to totally cast off all the teachings we have been exposed too as they are one man’s thoughts and not Gods.
    Good, we found out they too will gossip and punish you just like the witnesses.
    This has been an experience that pushed us where God wants us to be, directly listening to him and realizing and believe that his Holy Spirit is powerful and can cut thru to help us discern the “Will of God”.

    You hang in there, you don’t need any help from people that shun you if you don’t study old books. We are adults and they are no the boss of us. They are humans answerable to God also. We all are.

  57. Lee Anthony says:

    I must live peaceably with all if I can accomplish it. (Rom. 12:17-18)
    Lately I have found difficulty in being peacable and in not returning evil for evil. I learned this past week that I must have more patience. I waited many years for things to be a certain way, and I worked extra hard to get where I am after all of this, patience should have been something I had in abundance, yet I have found that learning something like patience is not as simple as is 2+2=4… We learn it and we know it but with patience it has many different levels and aspects that change in the different situations we face daily. I see that only through Reliance on God and through the help we get from meeting w/ one another can we truly face the day that tomorrow will bring. Thanks to all who are on the call and share each week.

  58. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Welcome Lee Anthony. I look forward to your comments. When we met at the General Convention, I got to know you a little. I hope to get closer to you. Please feel free to contact me any time. Sister Jacqueline has my contact information and she is free to give it to you. If you are ever in Ohio call me so we can meet up.

  59. Lee Anthony says:

    “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of the soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” ( Heb. 4-12)

    Getting to know myself and learn how to grow from old to new was a long road and change only came as a direct result of daily study of the bible.
    one of the functions of the Word of God when it comes into us is that it penetrates very deep—like a sword through tough, hard layers and makes judgments about what’s there. Hebrews 4 when read is very rich and full of so much, just the one verse can be broken down and discussed in detail for quite a study in and of itself. Daily reading and meditation on just one scripture is an excellent place to begin the road to recovery, the cleansing power of Gods word will most certainly begin a work in you that will deliver you from darkness.
    If reading the bible is something that is difficult then a daily devotional is a good place to start.

  60. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I am moved by your struggles, journey, and devotion to Christ!
    It took courage to tell your story. Welcome to the site as a facilitator, your experience is better than any words. With the help from God’s Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, you may be able to help others in ways unseen.
    Thank you

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