Revelation chapters 8, 20 & 21 & 16




Prophecy and Humility part 9, The 4 Seiges on Jerusalem: by Bob Carnegie, L.A. Bible Students. (Rev. 20:8-9)


Revelation 21: 1-5, mentions  "new heaven and a new earth'. Now I see it differently than ever before. Just this one part puzzled me because of other places where I saw this. Now I know to go back in the Bible to see if you find something to understand what it means in Revelation. (First Mention)

A New Heaven and a New Earth

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[fn] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[fn] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

I will enter what I found in the comment section below. What did your rereading of the Bible reveal?

16 Responses to Revelation chapters 8, 20 & 21 & 16

  1. jacqueline says:

    Well because of the many events happening, I personally am looking for a few things.

    A 2 headed beast, maybe a Jew and a Gentile. He shoots off his mouth and blasphemes God.
    He will be given the power to rule by the dragon. He will get an eye and a head womb that might put him on life support for 3 days but He will come back and the world shall marvel at him.
    The other beast will look like a Lamb but acts and speaks as a dragon, he is the false prophet and he may be a Jew.

    I am just thinking out loud and looking to see where we might be in the time of the end.

    The earth seems to be on fire. Now if a meteorite falls in the “Sea” and fish die, blood fills this sea and 1/3 of the ships are destroyed then we can sort of see where we are, to me.

    Covid-19 seems to make governments realize there are powers greater than them, even Arab countries.

    The fast-moving events in the Middle East bear watching.

    Signs and wonders will deceive many and they will worship the dragon that gives these entities their power.

    These are just things I am personally gleaning as I study Revelation.

    Those that refuse to worship this beast will be killed. but not all.
    Hopefully, our secular Jews don’t think Christ is one of these men that are brokering these peace talks because they probably will tell them to build their temple now, maybe.

    These are interesting times.

  2. jacqueline says:

    We are studying this section of Revelation and I like the added comments on seeing the living creatures etc.
    I believe in God coming down and Christ temple being in our atmosphere but can’t rule out going to heaven in the eons to come. Revelation 20-22 to the ages to come.

    This is an interesting summation of 2Thessalonians 3:1-8

  3. jacqueline says:

    Every day it becomes clearer why Jesus said not to add or take away from Revelation. If I allegorize (add to) Revelation I can’t understand it but it is clearer if I obey Jesus and accept that he is intelligent and means exactly what he says. Who would have thought, a virus could shut down the churches and the world governments. More unbelievable things are foretold in Revelation.
    20:1 some say this angel has to be Jesus because only Jesus is strong enough to bind satan.
    First Jesus isn’t an angel and was borne of Jehovah God in the beginning and he created the angels. Never was one himself., he simply seizes him and binds him.
    This angel isn’t said to be as strong as some are. There isn’t even a fight or struggle mentioned
    This is like the judge say Ballif take the prisoner in custody. The prisoner is told to put his hands behind his back and cuffs are put on, he has been sentenced by the judge to a certain amount of time.

    So it is the JUDGE that is strong and has the power to speak the sentence on the crook, not the bailiff being stronger.

    Jehovah SAID satan would be bound “until the thousand years were ended.” He knows he can’t fight Jehovah.
    It has nothing to do with the strength of the angel. There is no fight.

    Disrespect for who Jesus actually is, God, not Jehovah GOD, his father, but if my son is human by birth then Jesus is a God by reason of being birthed by a GOD. John 1:1

    We understand begotten, as meaning a birth but when it comes to Jehovah and Jesus we tend to get off track. Only begottoned of GOD.

  4. jacqueline says:

    I was just thinking, if any one on this site went into a restaurant and were given a menu. Would yo think each item meant something else. No we would read It normally and accept what it says the dish is. A street sign, a textbook, a map. Revelation and the Bible is understood if we read it normally like the apostles and the Torah readers. Jesus tells you when he is speaking in parables.
    John described what he saw. He said things like hair like a woman but not a woman. A face that looked like a man, as if, etc. Today we can better understand revelation if we don’t allegorize it like we were taught. The book says we will be blessed if we read it, it is easier for me if I accept God says what he means and means what he says.
    Wow, He tells us exactly the order of events so those reading will know what is happening. We lift our heads up and warn our family also..Seven events happening together should be easy to know when the countdown has begun to his second coming. He hasn’t come invisibly in Heaven as we we taught. That was made up to cover for the failed prophecy of Russell’s 1914 predictions.

  5. jacqueline says:

    I found this explanation on Chapter 16 about the bowls being poured out.

    It is a chapter that is almost scary because it is the wrath of God.
    But he brought out a point I never really thought about. After every plague man never repented, they curse God instead of repenting and complying.
    Now I look at Revelation in a new light.

    When I post these gems I find on youtube, I am not saying every thought is true but there are jewels from listening to many men of faith as they go verse by verse rather than doctrine by doctrine.
    I hope it adds to knowledge.

  6. jacqueline says:

    The order of Events according to some Ministers. This is just for reference, I am not saying yea or nay. But if you get on these pages in youtube it will bring up others and we as individuals can choose which ones to look at. Chuck Missler Last days detectives

  7. jacqueline says:

    That the scriptures might be fulfilled.
    Every Old Testament scripture about Jesus was literally fulfilled. Abraham was a literal man. Mary was literally a virgin, not a spiritual virgin.
    A man says I am married. Would we ever ask are you literally married.

    Yet we have been taught to allegorize the Bible not take it for what it actually says. We say oh that means a spiritual Jew when Revelation says 144,000 are Jews from actual tribes and how many. Yet we have all types of races claiming to be of the 144,000. Some say the number is literal but the fact that he says Jewish is a spiritual Jew and they pull out a bunch of scriptures not dealing with The 144,000.
    Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away and everybody says he doesn’t mean what he says. And then we look all through the Bible that there will be a new heaven and a new earth and in it righteousness is to dwell.
    The earth abideth forever scripture is used to prove all of the other scriptures in the bible wrong that shows that this earth will be gone and another will take its place and it is called earth also.
    I am coming to the conclusion that Jehovah, Jesus, and the Bible says what it really means and means what it really says no matter how distressing some of the words are to us.
    Many instances those to be delivered are told to go get your relatives and bring them within the house and all in there will be saved. I Egypt all in the house under the blood marched out in the exodus.

  8. Lee Anthony says:

    I know who this guy is. John Macarthur, he is an author with lotta books, bible commentary, study bibles and so on… Lotta interesting stuff, big ministry.

  9. jacqueline says:

    This video from 1993 is so informative. You would think He was writing right now.
    The new one posted is on Revelation 8

  10. Rene says:


    Satan and Jesus are nowhere near on equal footing. We do not even know what rank that Satan had prior to being appointed, but we do know that all of the Angels in heaven were under the authority of Jesus Christ then and to a greater degree now. It is not surprising that the ruler of this system has kept the nature of Jesus authority a mystery to the rest of us.

    It is though a great comfort to know that when God’s plan of salvation is fully realized that we will have our grand and glorious king who is righteous and will rule in righteousness. It is evident that this has not occurred yet as Jesus would not tolerate any measure of injustice. So much of what I was taught about Jesus and where we are in prophecy was lacking in biblical accuracy and has lead others to hope for things that are in no way going to occur before the advent of other prophetic fulfillment.

    Knowing how to apply God’s law to prophetic fulfillment is important in matching current events to scripture. What I was taught was so far off base that it would be like expecting a harvest in the Winter time. Time and season play an important role in understanding God’s timeline and without understanding the past, making future predictions isn’t prudent or reliable.

    • jacqueline says:

      Rene, I agree with you that we never knew that Israel was even a part of God’s plan for man. So to follow the actual words in Revelation makes it very plain and clear. It is only when I allegorize the text that it makes no sense. To Understand that Jesus will sit on the throne of David here on earth id wonderful. It means God’s word came true. Now the Apostles will sit on twelve thrones and they were told they wouldn’t finish going through the cities of Israel until Christ returned. Now it makes sense that they will rule beside him on Earth or in Israel and finish going through the cities of Israel and bring them to Christ. So that all of Israel shall be saved.

      Matt.10:23“But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.”

      Rom.11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, “THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”

      Revelation is unveiling slowly too so many Christians.

  11. Rene says:

    Thank you Jacqueline and our prayers are with you today 🙂

    • jacqueline says:

      Rene, you know some think of Jesus as Michael and just a mere angel but the text actually says just a regular angel seized the devil and abysses him. We were taught that satan is powerful and he is more than us but if we have Jesus he can’t dwell where the Spirit dwells within us. We never were taught the power of Jesus as regard satan. I like to set aside this day for deep study because there is so much on during Sunday.

  12. jacqueline says:

    This is a video the I find is following the text of the Bible pretty closely.
    Rene, you and I are texting back and forth so here is the link I am listening to. Enjoy!

  13. jacqueline says:

    After listening to this discourse I feel encouraged and look forward to the future.
    This isn’t something for Christians to fear but look forward too.
    Rev, 16:17-21

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