In John 20, we read:

John 20:22  And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Jesus performed this work upon 10 of the eleven disciples (Thomas was not present). Was this the moment that these ten men received the indwelling of the Spirit, as Christ promised to them in the Upper Room discourse? 

Apparently not for Jesus promised this next.

Jesus told the disciples that he would send one back just like him according to the Greek word. He would be a helper and He would be with them always. He said He couldn’t come unless he, Jesus, left.

I don’t know if it was because he had to ask his Father to send him as he said, or he had to appear before the Divine Court and Jehovah as the Lamb that took sin away. I also notice that the word Advocate in Greek meant someone just like him.

He never calls the Holy Spirit it! But rather HIM.hmmm

John 14:15-19 ” 15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you.

In order to grieve the Holy Spirit, he would have to be an entity able to discern and have emotion.
I don’t know what he is or what sort of divine one he is but he has a powerful effect on our group and individuals when you read the Bible or pray even. Sometimes helping you find the words.
Old testament brothers had the Spirit cause them to act but it didn’t stay or indwell as it was promised to Christians after Christ. Samson was an example. (Judges 14:6, 19; 15:14).

This article will be developed in the comments so others can express what they see in scripture.

Feel free to post in the comment section below. 

34 Responses to THE HOLY SPIRIT!-Who is He?

  1. Lee Anthony says:

    Hamas is attacking Isarel. Of course not everyone is talking about it.

  2. jacqueline says:

    How would you understand me if I were to say I want to fellowship with you or your Church?
    Most would assume I wanted to meet with your fellowship to discuss and be a part of it.

    Well, this scripture has been life-changing for me!
    The Holy Spirit wants to Fellowship with us!

    2 Corinthians 14: 13The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

    The Holy Spirit is not the wind or a feeling He is a person although a Spirit and a Holy one at that unlike the demonic spirits we all acknowledge.

  3. jacqueline says:

    Hidden Codes in the Torah and how they found out about it. It will refresh your faith in how much Jehovah God loves his wife Israel to give them a code.
    I knew the Holocaust had to be in the Bible!

    • ted says:

      You are right from Israel the wife is formed, not from the nation of Israel. Israel was formed from those truly Jews as Jesus pointed out

      Back to spirit, in the original tongue, in the language , in the Bible, in history, in logic, the holy spirit is never a person. Your depth of understanding is impressive sister, but in this misconception you are influenced by the early theories of trinity. Why this doctrine continues to exist when so many yearn for understanding could only be connected to the statement that if time wasn’t cut short no flesh could be saved, in other words man could no longer find God. “Few will find the path,” the path that leads in through the ” narrow gate”.

  4. traveler says:

    Hello Jacqueline , Just stopped by hoping to see your progress and that you are doing well. Holy spirit, a lot of writing on the subject, but you realize that history of tongues, or as most refer to it mistakenly as language, has long ago established beyond doubt that we would say “it” instead of “he” as was in the original tongue due to the fact they used no “it” but personified instead. I know we went over this long ago on your sight. The one sent ,the “comforter”, again “he” or in our tongue “it” was poured out on true believers as the “spirit of understanding”. You know I can give to much information on occasion so I’ll spare you. History of Languages, simply look it up to pursue truth, move on up the path. Keep up the good support for those who would pursue until they do.
    Sincerely , traveler

    • jacqueline says:

      Traveler hello and welcome, long time no see. A person a little while back asked for all your information as we revamped the site and collapsed info.
      Tell us what you have on the Holy Spirit.
      I have seen how there are so many different elohim (invisible realm) entities like angels, demons, and the four living creatures around Jehovah’s throne.
      This has led me to realize there can be an invisible “person” that I have never heard of or can’t comprehend.
      Since the Holy Spirit is spoken of as doing things (see article for scriptures) and I understand how it works in my life, I accept it as another intelligent person like Jesus that speaks what Jehovah tells him to and Jesus.
      I don’t claim to understand the type of person this is but it to me seems to be more than a force from Jehovah God but sent like Jesus to the earth after Jesus left to be here always with us to guide those accepting Christ.
      Let us know what you have and others may comment or just read also.

      PS. We are doing fine. My life has smoothed out from so much family persecution. Some of our family has realized that they are in just an organization and recognizes the governing body are competing with the Pope to have that same type of control.
      Since the pandemic closed them down like other religions, they see that there are more in the body of Christ.
      So a bug did what ex-witnesses couldn’t do effectively: show they are not immune from being shut down from their only identifier “door to door knocking”.
      It has caused some to read and listen for the voice of Jehovah even tho they choose to remain and support the organization.
      I also had a stroke in 2019 but recovered and it was then that I made a decision to stop going near my relatives that was so evil to me that it was killing me.
      Now I go only near relatives that accept I have left the witnesses.
      I made arrangements to have accommodations if I travel to family events or visit because only a few will let me stay in their homes, so I am doing fine now.
      Our group meets on Thursday, we are “Berean Bible Fellowship” and you are welcome to come on at any time. Our group is small and this allows us to all comment and dig into the scriptures.
      How are you and your wife? How did the Pandemic affect you, if adversely?
      Christian love, jacqueline

      • traveler says:

        I’m glad you are doing well jacqueline! Adam and Eve lost approved frame of mind in Eden, God sends Jesus to show the way back, up the path, “make your mind over”. Adoption when you cross from death to life allows you to get the “token” of spirit/energy which gives increased intellectual capacity so that you “see” the revealed information/path hidden within the scriptures. This literally rewires your brain with new nodes and their pathways, so “make your mind over”. The last gift, the energy of understanding/”spirit of understanding”, that is to remain forever allows the adopted to “peer” into the deep things of God. Then the “twinkling”, where we receive the full complement of our inheritance from our Father that with the token we already have, gives us back complete approved frame of mind as children of God.
        All actions come from frame of mind. Frame of mind is what all this is about. God was followed by those of the right heart and frame of mind, angels and mankind. Some went another direction and lost the inheritance from their Father, leaving them basically beasts of the field. Mankind is being cultivated, you are God’s “field under cultivation”. Make your minds “UP” and “under”-stand God.
        Sorry you know I can’t help myself. It’s all so simple, one step at a time “follower” if you have an “over” view that works. Again I am sincerely happy to see you still out there helping all those vegetable and meat eaters alike, to have a place to arrive together.

        Sincerely, traveler

        • jacqueline says:

          Traveler, I do agree with your assessment that it is the frame of mind that needs to be made over. To not rewrite the Bible but to re-read it and listen for the voice of Jehovah.
          I do some one on one zoom sessions with the regular population and community events at our mental health facilities. They are very small because of Covid-19 and last only about 3 hrs.
          I am a Holistic Psychologist so I use Massage therapy to draw the community over to talk. Many are having a difficult time touching and being close to people because of quarantine. so I focus on the underserved communities to answer questions that they may have on what is going on with all the weather disasters, earthquakes, volcanoes eruptions and extreme violence.
          Our government says this is not normal violence. They are wondering if it is Covid related on a cellular level. People just erupt and shoot up homes and cars, walk up and stab people for nothing.
          Of course, as Christians, we address and see it from another view also.

          Let me ask your thoughts on Israel and its place in our times now. I have alerted some of our readers that you are on. Take Care

          • traveler says:

            “Let me ask your thoughts on Israel and its place in our times now.”

            Frame of mind, as I have pointed out is what it’s all about. Without tracing all the way from the Garden let’s start with Abraham, a man of singular frame of mind no doubt. God saw a unique frame of mind and counted it as righteousness. Abraham had a good heart and because of this he had “ears to hear” and “eyes to see”, he was circumcised of heart. This frame of mind was of such note that all who came after Abraham who had the same frame of mind and the same good heart, because of the promises made to Abraham, were called the “offspring of Abraham”. Remember that the Bible says quite clearly that few find the path and go in through the narrow gate. The few that held Abraham’s frame of mind were surrounded by thousands who saw clearly that God was working with these few, and wished to share in this advantage for many reasons of their own, just not the right ones. So God’s people were the few that were the offspring of Abraham. In time another man of note arrived and his frame of mind generated “sons” who were called the “sons of Israel”. Like Abraham, these sons had to hold the right frame of mind, so the offspring of Abraham became the “sons of Israel”.

            It is a common mistake to confuse the “nation of Israel” with the “sons of Israel”. The nation is a form of government, the sons of Israel is a frame of mind.

            Paul asks the question “who really is a Jew?” “For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside,”
            The true Jews were again few and each child born to a “true Jew” at maturity had to take a stand holding the right frame of mind to become a true Jew in their turn. You cannot be born a “Jew”.

            So again,

            “Let me ask your thoughts on Israel and its place in our times now.”

            To answer this all you have to do is realize that everyone with the right heart and the right frame of mind listened to Jesus and followed him. The “true Jews” left with Jesus or followed as footstep followers later.

            Paul says, “Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise”

            There are no Jews in the nation of Israel today.

            Yes, having taken on the Christ the people of right frame of mind are no longer a Jew, Greek, Baptist, Catholic, etc, or other division from the congregation of Christ now having been enlightened to “see” the right view of connection to God through Jesus. Those who were Jews or from the nation, are now of one mind with Jesus endeavoring to become of one mind with God. Don’t get me wrong here, all these divisions/denominations serve as a provision to help keep the word available and as Paul said, he was glad Jesus was being proclaimed for whatever reason.

            (\\Romans 2:28, 29) . . .For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.

            (Galatians 3:26-29) . . .YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.

            God’s people have had many names but always were only those of the right heart and frame of mind.

            (2 Corinthians 2:14-17) . . .But thanks be to God who always leads us in a triumphal procession in company with the Christ and makes the odor of the knowledge of him perceptible through us in every place! 15 For to God we are a sweet odor of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; 16 to the latter ones an odor issuing from death to death, to the former ones an odor issuing from life to life. And who is adequately qualified for these things? 17 [We are;] for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are (divisions) but as out of sincerity, yes, as sent from God, under God’s view, in company with Christ, we are speaking.

            Yes, before we put this down it does refer to the twelve tribes in the new order, but tribes do not mean those are connected with the “nation” of Israel.

            I hope this is the answer you were looking for.

            • jacqueline says:

              I wanted to see what your thoughts were on this. I do agree that the government of Israel are in no way followers of Christ. If fact they as a nation is an adulterous wife of Jehovah.
              I do however believe they are the timeline mentioned in the Bible in Ezekial 36-39.
              Jehovah said they would be witnesses or show people how and what Jehovah expects and He allowed much mistreatment of them because of their choice to reject him. Realizing that satan knows their position he has gone overboard in the hatred of the Jews. Anti-Semitism is a world example.
              I believe that God is going to show his power by dealing with the world scene as the nations try to destroy the actual Jews in Israel today.
              I view watching them as God’s timeline. I believe there will be erected a temple. I say erected because they already have it built, the altar made and the priest trained to implement sacrifices again. To me, the situation bears watching.
              Ezekial and other old testament writers wrote about things that would happen to Israel when it had already been destroyed and ruled over by other Gentile nations.
              It helps the audience to see different views and perhaps to join in with theirs. Thanks

              • traveler says:

                Ezekiel 36-39

                Like I said, frame of mind is everything and always has been. You are aware you reside in a tent, until your house made without hands arrives, after which Jesus goes off and asks for the spirit of understanding to be poured out so that it now makes your house a mansion in its received awareness. Yahweh now dwells in the heart of all those who have a house, making them collectively a temple of worship, within the house of God. So though I walk through the valley of death (maybe you don’t need help on this one) but here it is, the low thought of those dead, the “valley” of death. We’re told to flee to the mountains of God, the mountains of Israel, not the mountains of the “nation” of Israel. The Nation of Israel was always a temporary provision.

                “The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits. . .”

                (Matthew 21:42, 43) . . .Jesus said to them: “Did YOU never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits. . .

                The nation of Israel rejected Jesus, the cornerstone. Israel, the sons of Israel, the offspring of Abraham did not. This is why the kingdom which means range of influence, those under Yahweh’s influence among the failing “nation”, were taken from the “nation” of Israel and given to a “new” nation that would in fact bear its fruit, Jesus being only the first fruit of many to leave the ‘Nation of Israel”.

                (Matthew 24:15, 16) . . .“Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,) 16 then let those in Ju•de′a begin fleeing to the mountains.

                (Psalm 18:2) . . .Jehovah is my crag and my stronghold and the Provider of escape for me. My God is my rock. I shall take refuge in him, My shield and my horn of salvation, my secure height. (awareness-height)

                Yahweh is the “holy mountain” and Abraham, Israel, and Jesus were the “high” minded men of Israel, mountains of the Sons of Israel the offspring, God’s holy people. Jesus became Yahweh’s crag for his people.

                Once we are saved we are all meant to go higher than Jesus, beside Jesus our brother. God’s thoughts are “higher”.

                I’m being very loose here believing the general reader probably has more scriptural recall as to place in the Bible than I. Frame of mind in the forefront is the only “way” reason works in the Bible. Jesus showed us the “way” by following steps of logic himself to arrive at a stand and become a “true Jew”. He showed us the steps to put our feet on the path. On and on, the terms all constantly refer to relationships with frame of mind.

                This may be too much but we talked a bit about the “twinkling”. Twinkling is an event of the mind at the resurrection to life. It is the receiving of the full hope and inheritance from our Father, the full complement of Holy Spirit or force, and the enlightening moment that we “see” Jesus clearly for the first time using this increased mental capacity. We, the “great cloud of witnesses”, cloud referring again to frame of mind, in hazy outline. We now see Jesus, the “god of the air” who has replaced the old “god of the air” Satan. Air, or frame of mind used in the case of our mental relationship with Jesus, is meant to take on immortality as its result, or in other words is a frame of mind that leads us to life without death. This is unlike the air/thinking influence of Satan which only leads to blindness and death. Because of the twinkling we are able to meet Jesus in the air to remain there with him forever, of one mind.

                So the “nation” of Israel, based as it was on a condemning law, was never going to go beyond Jesus in its relationship with God. It serves as just one more distraction by Satan from Jesus and his new nation.

                In conclusion, as I can’t help myself you might also want to put some more thought into tent, house, mansion… and city, “New Jerusalem.” Remember frame of mind and those ruling over us after the twinkling.

                Honestly we want to help and hope this does.

              • ted says:

                Didn’t see this sorry. The nation of Isreal dud not follow Christ you are right in this. Israel as a population of those of right frame of mind under Yahweh’s influence did follow Christ in fact they are to be the foundation stones of the new temple and the new administration of the new nation. But on following Jesus’ footsteps of revealed truth related to the sons of Isreal, the offspring of Abraham, these true Jews embraced other brothers and sisters from the nations, forming a congregation where they were neither Jew or,,, you know the rest. Those who managed to hold onto the pursuit of truth through so much are now our brothers and sisters and their part was great in their time, as the continuing congragation of Christ will be. So great will this continuing congregation also be that some of them will walk into the new order of a thousand years, never seeing death.

    • ted says:

      I see that this site is not very active now but I still like to look over the subjects listed. This subject of “THE HOLY SPIRIT!-Who is He?” caught my eye again. In this slow time it might help to do a little research. I found the history on the Holy Spirit and the misconception that it is a person fairly easy to find. History records that the Catholic Church tried twice to educate this misconception out of its population and finally gave up. The history of the original language of the Bible and its lack of a word for “it” is also fairly easily found. Subjects such as these and the “theory of the trinity”, that are so easily established as not in the Bible, continue to be remarkable in my mind. Even before I was involved in pursuit up the path after Jesus, when I looked at Christian religious pursuit in college, I easily found these two topics and the historic explanation. I am sure that any educated minister in Bible history, if he will stand up, can tell you these are not in the Bible as fact but are only either misconception on the part of the lay person, or as the theory of the trinity just an attempt to explain that which is not understood, as in the nature of the Devine spirit, or at the first writings of the trinity, not considered in depth.

      Not everything in the Bible is a mystery and certainly historical facts related to it need not be. Once you realize that your relationship with your Father Yahweh means that you also have an inheritance, then you can understand the Token of inheritance and the flames indicating it being received by both Jews and people of the nation as adopted children.

      The “comforter” or “helper”, the “spirit of understanding is a free gift that Jesus asked to be poured out on the congregation so that they to might make progress up the path Jesus had left footsteps of logic for. This “spirit of understanding was the last gift to be bestowed on humanity so they could look into the deep things of their Father. It could not be poured out until Jesus presented the value of his life returning to heaven. Jesus knew the comfort that the truth he revealed brought to those true Jews that had lost the ability to make progress up the path under the “nation” of Israel.

      One of the sons of God lost the full complement of Holy Spirit that was his inheritance to pass on, Adam. Because of this we now must be adopted, at which time we receive only a token of that full complement that Adam lost. When we are returned to life, or are living, when the end finally comes, then we receive our full inheritance of Holy Spirit at an event called the “Twinkling”. At this event we “see” Jesus with full comprehension, and in experiencing this Jesus replaces the old “god of the air” or frame of mind, Satan. Jesus becomes the new god of the air over Earth.

      Trying to work out the Bible without realizing the family structure we are attempting to enter into makes the process of progress “up” the path frustrating at best.

      For some this will not be the case as they are happy to remain with what insight they have, and the place it has given them in their Church or social circle. This is ok. A brother or sister who eats vegetables is as loved as ones that eat meat, and who is to say which is which. They are all loved by our Father. But the path is also meant to be progressive and strength is gained by progress, up to the higher awarenesses that are our Father’s. We the kingdom use the Spirit given to “come”, arrive in the same frame of mind as our brother Jesus and our Father. In other words, “let your kingdom come”.

      So while historic facts can be simple, we see that they are not always embraced by those who wish to speak for Jesus and God, trying to keep us in the many divisions from Jesus’ congregation called “denominations”. Don’t get me wrong, I am happy that Jesus is proclaimed for any reason, (yep not my line) but I am. I would be happy to see the truth set any free. With an honest heart I believe Yahweh through Jesus saves, But that does not mean we are not at risk. What would be the point of stronger as a desirable result, if once saved, always saved, worked. The statements of stumble, fall, drawn away, life and death involved and on and on would have no meaning.

      So exercise the peace that excels all thought, at least far enough to “see” what can be easily seen. In doing so you will establish a firm foundation for your steps of logic, as you become a “footstep follower” of Yeshua.

      one last thought, if the truth is hidden from the intellectuals as the Bible says doesn’t it seem strange we’d claim to be one, a Dr. of this or that.

      • jacqueline says:

        Ted hello, it is not that the site isn’t active because we have over a thousand come on every day.
        We decided to get out and talk and mingle with other Christians for the summer months. We resumed Zoom last Saturday.
        I have been so busy, it seems impossible. I also am on the road speaking and holding events.
        So now that Summer is coming to an end, I will revamp the entire site. We had a business meeting and made some decisions.
        Come on and say hello some Saturday if you can.
        Please take care my bother.

      • jacqueline says:

        I would like to let everyone know Ted passed away yesterday from complications of a heart attack. I answered him when he posted and I later learned some days afterward that he was fighting to survive.
        May love and sympathy go out to his wife, children, and family.

  5. jacqueline says:

    The Holy Spirit is here instead of Jesus so that makes him the most important person residing on earth today.

    Part II of the Purpose and power of the Holy Spirit: Enjoy!

  6. jacqueline says:

    The power of the Holy Spirit enabled the disciples of Christ to turn the world upside down with the powerful preaching of the gospel. They could not have accomplished this in their own power. Jesus promised that the Spirit would come, live within them, and empower them in a miraculous way. “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth” (Acts 1:8). The disciples, who had been in hiding from the Romans after the crucifixion, became filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit’s power was made manifest to a great number of people that day, resulting in the conversion of about 3,000 (Acts 2:41). The day of Pentecost was the beginning of the indwelling power of the Spirit living within those He saves (John 14:17; Acts 2:1–4).
    Ephesians 2:1-2 satan is a spirit over the air.

  7. jacqueline says:

    The Old Testament reveals the Power of Jehovah.
    The Gospels reveal the Power of Jesus Christ.
    The age we are in from Acts onward is the revealing of the Power of the Holy Spirit.
    Holy Spirit is the most powerful personage on earth now.
    He is God’s Power.
    The Father introduced us to His Son and the Son introduced us to the Holy Spirit.

    This time of year preceding Passover the day Jesus died and His Resurrection day has Holy Spirit busy.
    He loves solving problems and will help us when we are overcome with grief and problems. Pray.

  8. jacqueline says:

    There are many Spirits but not all of them are holy. Te Holy Spirit gives us power.
    Many accept that demon spirits are personages but deny that the Holy Spirit is a person.
    Jesus refers to Him and even describes the work He does and how he behaves.

    He gets things done. He convicts you and lets us know something is wrong.
    He can be grieved. You can feel that power, some say it’s conscience speaking to them.
    Jesus says when He the Spirit of truth comes He will guide you to all truths.
    There are lying spirits also. They can be detected because they never agree that Jesus is LORD. They say he was a good man, a healer, etc.
    But the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of wisdom, only He can reveal to us the truth of God. We have knowledge but the Holy Spirit can apply this knowledge and shows us how to apply it in our lives.
    He is called the Spirit of promise. He guides & teaches us. He fully possessed Jesus and can down from Jehovah in the form of a dove then enter Jesus.
    You can lie to him as Ananias did and he reacts!

    These are things that can be looked up in the Bible.

    The Pharisees called the Holy Spirit a demon. Jesus said you can call him anything but not the Holy Spirit.

    They said HIS Power was of the devil and no man comes to Jesus unless the Holy Spirit draws him.

    Jesus said the Holy Spirit is a He if we say no then Jesus was a liar or didn’t know himself.
    This helps to decern the Holy Spirit if we know Who He is.

    • John Stoutenburg says:

      Amen Jacqueline.

      Look in Revelation . Seven spirits standing before God’s throne.

      If the Holy Spirit can be grieved, can stand before God and plead for us? He is definitely a person and in a powerful position of being the “finger” of God. So many scriptures especially in the NT refer to the Spirit doing this or that.
      In my life as a Christian follower as far as being a JW, we were almost FORCED to not accept the Holy Spirit implanting, in fact the Bible we used, NWT changed the wording of the spirit being in us, God dwelling IN is and Christ coming to live IN us…to a mental condition : they all would be IN UNION with us…not “in “ us.
      To me , this is the insertion from the one man running the WT circus: little old Fred Franz who rose up in the ranks from colpourter toPresident. I heard him preach, “ no new anointing!” At Los Angeles Dodgerstadium International convention in 1973. He had at least one demon or many in him as he was SCREAMING at the top of his voice this message.
      He changed the Wescott and Hort translation of Greek ,”in” everywhere it says that in NT to ,” in Union with”. So readers would not understand what being anointed with the Spirit is the PRIME DIRECTIVE.
      Yes Jacqueline, I was adopted into the Kingdom family as a son of God via theHoly Spirit while in a vision. I ever want to hide this fact but proclaim it! Just like Apostle Paul who did Not need any validation from the Apostles but got the Spirit directly from Christ who can pour it out.
      This is very important: get rid of the NWT. It is bogus.
      Tainted, changed, altered.It makes me sick to my stomach
      Ch because of the delusion WT over on us that receiving the Spirit birth was only for a select few…..especially those who pioneered or special pioneered or missionary work in WT circles all their life,
      I use the ( banned from Catholics now) New Jerusalem Bible which restores Yahweh the 6900 times in OT.
      Anyway, I will write more on this subject another time.
      I was sorry to hear Ted passed away, I would have loved to got to know him.
      I will try to join a discussion group Thursday or Saturday to share what I have been doing in my ministry the last couple of years. I have been very busy but my personal life with the wife in the Philippines is a ball and chain as bad as it could be.😰

      • ted says:

        Well presented, but an old argument.

        First, a couple of details. Tongue, the sound you communicate in. Words, the specific sounds that represent thought or thoughts, Language, the conceptual image or images behind words.

        Early on my partner, wife, and I realized that because of the “language of the scriptures used to frame reality, the scripture at Matthew 28:19 should obviously read: Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, with holy spirit.

        (Matthew 28:19) . . .Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

        (John 14:25-26) . . .“While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU. . .

        I believe that a lot of this problem related to the term Helper has to do with the lack of understanding of “adoptive spirit” and the increased mental capacity it gives. This adoptive spirit is the energy acting on your mind that allows you to call back what has been said and to understand it. This adoptive spirit is also what is seen by God in you as the sweet odor of Christ’s presence in your frame of mind, it stands before God.

        This scripture in its language is very important.

        (John 14:6) 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

        The desire to have connection to explain the help we receive that is obviously of extraordinary nature, is merely the lack of knowledge of the nature of the spirit itself. This question of “where is it coming from?” is what eventually developed as the theory of the trinity.

        Now we can with certainty establish that the theory of the trinity is not established in the Bible, or the language of the scripture we have already concluded that years ago on this site’s considerations, not that we needed to, it is an historic fact.

        So be raised “UP”, follow the “UPward path”, make your minds “UP”and so on, by exercising the adoptive spirit, the spirit of truth actuating your minds.

        (Ephesians 4:23) . . .but that YOU should be made new in the force actuating YOUR mind,

        (John 10:7-9) 7 Therefore Jesus said again: “Most truly I say to YOU, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All those that have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the door; whoever enters through me will be saved, and he will go in and out and find pasturage. . .

        (John 14:15-17) 15 “If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU.

        (John 14:25-26) . . .“While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU. . .

        (Acts 19:5-6) . . .On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came upon them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

        (Acts 2:33) . . .Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear.

        (Acts 2:17) . . .‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I shall pour out some of my spirit upon every sort of flesh,. . .

        (Matthew 3:9-11) . . .For I say to YOU that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones ( rock mass, corner stone, stones of the temple, Jesus’ followers). 10 Already the ax is lying at the root of the trees; every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I, for my part, baptize YOU with water because of YOUR repentance; but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize YOU people with holy spirit and with fire.

        (Mark 10:38-39) . . .: “YOU do not know what YOU are asking for. Are YOU able to drink the cup which I am drinking, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am being baptized?” 39 They said to him: “We are able.” At that Jesus said to them: “The cup I am drinking YOU will drink, and with the baptism with which I am being baptized YOU will be baptized.

        (Acts 19:3-6) . . .” They said: “In John’s baptism.” 4 Paul said: “John baptized with the baptism [in symbol] of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came upon them,. . .


        (Ephesians 4:4-6) 4 One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

        (John 5:43) 43 I have come in the name of my Father, but YOU do not receive me; if someone else arrived in his own name, YOU would receive that one.

        So again,

        (John 14:15-17) 15 “If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU.

        “While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU.

        (Acts 2:33) . . .Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear.

        (Acts 2:17) . . .‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I shall pour out some of my spirit upon every sort of flesh,. . .

        (Ephesians 4:4-6) 4 One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.

        (Acts 2:38) . . .Peter [said] to them: “Repent, and let each one of YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of YOUR sins, and YOU will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.

        (1 Corinthians 12:12-13) . . .For just as the body is one but has many members, and all the members of that body, although being many, are one body, so also is the Christ. 13 For truly by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.

        (Acts 8:14-17) 14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Sa•mar′i•a had accepted the word of God, they dispatched Peter and John to them; 15 and these went down and prayed for them to get holy spirit. 16 For it had not yet fallen upon any one of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they went laying their hands upon them, and they began to receive holy spirit.

  9. jacqueline says:

    This is one of the best explanations I have heard on who He is, the Holy Spirit. It requires you to listen as he develops the subject.
    Part 2:
    Part 3:
    Part 4:

  10. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    According to the Apochryphal book called Book of Solomon\’s Wisdom, which is in the Jerusalem Bible, Holy Spirit is female! I googled this (Is Holy Spirit female?) and I was amazed at how much info there was about this. Apparently, most Christians in first and second centuries believed this, but when the Catholic church was created, and Scriptures were translated from Greek to Latin, verses were changed that altered the gender of HS because the Church wanted to subdue women.

    Also, one of the main differences between Catholic and Orthodoxy is that the Orthodox churches still believe HS is female. I had a long chat with my close friend who is Russian and she explained why Russian Orthodox (as well as Greek Ortho.) believe HS is female. In Moscow you can attend a college course in Sophiology and learn that way.

    I do like the idea of female HS. I don\’t refer to Her as Mother Goddess but I do think of her as Divine Mother. I\’m very comfortable with that!!

    • jacqueline says:

      Nubby Tope, WOW, let me research this. My point is that it is not an IT.
      This is what I found so far: I printed out most of it because some countries don’t allow the reader to go to obvious Christian sites, so I try to give them a sense of what our free google says.

      Let’s start with Hebrew.
      Hebrew is a gendered language. It has nouns that are masculine and feminine. That doesn’t necessarily mean the objects themselves have masculine or feminine identities. For example “cattle”, “year”, “hand”, “covenant”, “door”, “remnant”, “truth” and “sin” are all feminine in Hebrew. Also, in Hebrew the verbs attached to those nouns take on the gender of the noun with which they are connected.

      So, the Hebrew for Spirit is ruach which is a feminine noun. In Genesis 1:2, the verb for hovered takes on the feminine of the noun. So, Genesis 1:2 could be legitimately translated, “the Spirit of God she was hovering over the face of the waters…”

      We could. So why don’t we?

      Well, perhaps it is because we have a male bias. We need to be prepared to admit that we might.

      But we also need to jump to Genesis 41:8. There the spirit (feminine) was troubled (feminine verb). But this is the spirit of Pharaoh – a man. Similarly in Genesis 45:27 Jacob’s spirit (feminine) revived (feminine).

      The point is clear: the Hebrew noun might be grammatically feminine but that doesn’t mean the thing itself is feminine or indeed necessarily has feminine characteristics. (The BBC article referenced above quotes “grammatical gender is very different from biological sex.” This is perhaps too strong. There is an overlap.) So, we cannot argue ruach is feminine therefore we ought to translate it “she”. Instead we need to ask whose spirit is being referred to?

      On the one hand we do need to accept that the Holy Spirit has chosen to use a feminine-form noun to talk about himself in Genesis 1:2. But also in Genesis 1:2 the Spirit is the Spirit of God and “God” there is a masculine plural noun. How much we read into the gender and number of those nouns is a rather moot point. At the very least we must take a consistent approach.

      That brings us nicely to the issues of translating from a gendered language into a less-gendered language.

      Let me demonstrate with the Greek.

      Here are four key things about the “gendered-ness” of the Greek in our New Testament:
      a) The Greek uses three types of grammatically gendered nouns and pronouns: masculine, feminine and neuter (Hebrew just has the first two);
      b) As in Hebrew, the grammatical gender of the noun does not necessarily imply physical gender. Indeed, it usually doesn’t. For example “gold” and “frankincense” are both masculine and “myrrh” is feminine;
      c) In the NT Greek, masculine grammatical nouns can stand collectively for male and female gender people. An obvious example is the beatitudes in Matthew 5:3-10. The “theirs/they” of the second half of each beatitude is masculine but clearly refers to all people;
      d) As in Hebrew, grammatically masculine nouns are used of physically male people and grammatically feminine nouns are used of physically female people.

      Now let’s compare those four statements with English. In modern English:
      a) We don’t have grammatically gendered nouns and pronouns.; “Man” and “woman” are gendered in what they refer to, but they are not grammatically gendered;
      b) In English a noun or pronoun that carries connotations of physical gender usually correlates to the gender of the object;
      c) Having said that, we used to use masculine-referent nouns and pronouns collectively, for example “mankind”;
      d) And so (d) is true in the sense that “man” and “woman” are gendered in what they refer to.

      Those first three and fundamental differences immediately gives us a number of implications.

      First, in Greek and Hebrew the grammatical masculine or feminine carries a much wider range of meaning than in English, from having no indication of physical gender to being gender specific.

      Therefore, second, in English the gender of a noun carries much more significance than in Greek or Hebrew. For instance for the Hebrew to say “she” of the Holy Spirit may be as significant as saying “she” of a door or indeed “she” of sin. By contrast in English “she” is a much more pregnant term, if you will excuse the pun!

      • Nubby Tope says:

        Wow! You did your research well!!.
        I knew all this gender oriented language stuff, I just couldn’t be bothered to quote it all as you did Jacqueline! French is also the same.

        Men address their cars as SHE but obviously its not a real female, I get that! But after my discussion with my Russian friend, I’m somehow favor the female HS. After being in a high-control doomsday cult for 55 years, and being told what to think and believe, despite what secular sources say (607=1914 e.g.) I promised myself that now I’m free to believe whatever I choose (as long as I have evidence) then I choose a female HS. If that is the one thing I get wrong then so be it! I’m stubborn like that!

        If Solomon believed a female entity is real, that’s good enough for me! He was wiser than a lot of us (and me) despite his flaws. Or maybe I’m just a “Mummy’s boy” clutching at straws! I don’t know and don’t really care, I just like the idea, there’s enough archaeological evidence to support this (google Yahweh and His Ashorah) and I’m happy. After 55 years of WT telling me what to believe I now relish the joy of being free of such indoctrination.

        But 1 thing I will agree with you: HS is not an IT. Jesus said to baptize in name of HS after Father and Son. They are persons, so HS must be too! Being baptized in the name of a force is silly! Would you get baptized in the name of electricity, magnetism, gravity, time, wind? No! So HS must be a person. But according to the research I have done, the early Christians believed in a real female HS. That’s why Orthodoxy still does and my Russian friend had a very convincing arguement. But if you and others believe otherwise then that’s your choice as is mine.

        • jacqueline says:

          Oh Nubby Tope you are too smart, If they are persons then Holy Spirit is a person. We don’t know what type of personages God has created or spoke into being. We know there are non angelic creatures around his throne and the 7 Spirits STAND before his throne.
          Nubby you got no problem with me in believing that the Holy Spirit is a She, we just know it isn’t an IT.
          He (She) was another just like Christ so it would finish the work. Jesus said he had done all he could. The helper would come and be with us always.
          55 years, that is a lifetime. I spent 62 in the witnesses and 8 in loose association with the Bible Students.
          But I have to say that I could never get on board with the Bible Students. It was a resting and learning experience for me and it put me in contact with thousands, that we were able to help get out and be free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty we are free at last.
          I just read your last paragraph to a friend and we laughed because stupid us never thought about Holy Spirit couldn’t be an “it” as there are emotions.
          I will develop the subject more by putting the many texts that speak about the works of the Spirit.
          I can see where you are going on what your Russian friend had to say and I would love to see more.
          Feel free to post as much as you can. It doesn’t matter the size.

          So many feel as we do about freedom to think and decide for ourselves if we can see a point without some sort of shunning.

          Tomorrow is a big day on this side of the Pond. Inauguration! It has been a rough 4 years. Hopefully, the chaos can abate for a while and some can heal.
          One man, made hell appealing! And every division that could come came! The pandemic fed on it and this once mighty nation hasmore cases than third world countries by comparison.
          But one thing it did for me was get me away from going down the same Rabbit hole as I saw what a political convention was like at the last 2018 convention I attended with the Bible Students.

          Now I can get on with a personal relationship with our Father along with free men and women.
          Take Care Nubby.
          PS. Thanks for being explaining in your comments. Some Christians can come on here from other countries but not surf the entire web and they depend on us being wordy. Some links, their country censor. And I can see they do come on from these provinces.
          Christians are being beheaded for Christ. Nigeria, even the young boys are being beheaded with the men if they don’t kill their parents and come with them to the army.

  11. jacqueline says:

    Yes, HE! I was as surprised as most of us who have been told it is an it, impersonal like the wind.

    John 16:13-14
    But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

    John 14:16
    Verse Concepts
    I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

    John 3:8
    Verse Concepts
    The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

    These are three of the foremost scriptures about the Holy Spirit and I intend to post everywhere it is found in God’s word as time goes on.

  12. jacqueline says:

    Jehovah and Jesus deal with us on a personal basis, what a beautiful example of this. How could the cleaner know what this man craved? It was God’s signal to this dear man that HE is not finished with him.
    Not a nurse or a doctor but a cleaner was used by God.
    How great our God Jehovah and Jesus are.

  13. Jacqueline says:

    We are really blessed to live in our time because the Holy Spirit can come on each of us, dwell with us.
    In Israel it came on certain ones then left but not on the entire individuals as persons but as a nation.
    For Example Samson, the Spirit came and went.
    David, however, is different, he is a type of Christ so the Spirit stayed with him.
    A great talk on this, Enjoy,

  14. Lee Anthony says:

    Yea I would certainly agree as the spirit is said to lead you into all truth by Yeshua and leads us, sometimes into a decision or in saying something we ourselves would not have said. We are told that when we are turned over to the courts and stand to be judged by men not to prepare what we will say cause in that very hour God by his spirit will give us the words as a testimony. (Luke 12:11-12) What is most interesting to me is the many statements in scripture that our body is now the temple. So Idol worship now is defilement of Gods sanctuary.
    We were not a temple before..
    2 Cor 6:16-18
    What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God—as God said, “I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
    Therefore Adonai says, ” ‘Go out from their midst; separate yourselves; don’t even touch what is unclean. Then I myself will receive you.
     In fact, I will be your Father, and you will be my sons and daughters.’ says Adonai-Tzva’ot.”

    To ALL,
    This is important for ALL of us now, the world is in an uproar and the spirit of the world, the spirit of Anti-Christ and the unholy spirit of the deceiver is at work. Our children are taught that tolerance of all things is o.k., against the law if they say certain things are wrong! Don’t misunderstand my words, the racism in the world is unacceptable, however there are things that even the modern church teaches that are important to understand… Intolerance Is sin now, Did Yeshua tolerate wrongdoing by the religious leaders? Should we allow active practicers of gross sin among us so tolerance is shown? Did Yeshua really teach come as you are? Repent 1st then offer sacrifice at the temple was how it was in the Law, repentance is Still required, Same thing….It has not changed… It will soon be difficult maybe even illegal for a minister or teacher to write or speak against wrongdoing even if we use The scriptures, More so if we do. God’s righteousness is soon to be bad in the eyes of the world, for those who have a spirit of fear it may be time to step down from the podium since WE Do not have a spirit of fear, When we speak against sin we will be hailed as hateful. While much of what is going on is not bad and is for good reason, WE must see the reality of what all of this will lead to, it will not stop at inequality for minorities or getting rid of crooked police, it will continue on and lead to war against all who a Truly proclaim Yeshua as Lord!

  15. jacqueline says:

    Jeff recently asked a very good question. Who is the Holy Spirit? How do we know we have it?
    The scriptures cited are loaded with clues.
    First, they reveal that not only was John a baptizer (immerse a solid in a liquid)but Jesus was also.

    1. Jesus baptized his followers in the Holy Spirit including his mother. They were to wait for this baptism, in Jerusalem.
    2. They saw him go up and he would be seen said the angel in the same way upon his return. Not an invisible return.
    3. They worshipped Him.
    4. He said they would receive Power when the Spirit came upon them and they would be witnesses for Jesus in all the earth.
    5. He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
    And I would say this is for all of his witnesses and follows today. They can’t nor should they attempt to know this that is reserved for the FATHER ONLY.

    These verses have a lot about the Holy Spirit. Jeff would like a discussion on this.
    It is labeled the Ascension and the Holy Spirit because this special gift could only come after the Ascension.

    Can we open up the discussion on more about The gift: The Holy Spirit and I will tell Jeff the article is up.

    • Lee Anthony says:

      Holy spirit, my understanding (still a work in progress…) We are made in Gods image and as God has a spirit so do we, the breath of life is the spirit from God which gives us life (Gen 2:7) and when we die that spirit returns to god. (Eccl 12:7) God himself while being a Spirit and also being holy is not necessarily the Holy Spirit spoken of. Many throughout scripture have been given a portion of the spirit for different purposes, some say this is just an anointing and not the spirit as spoken between new and old testaments, examples when builders of the tabernacle were given spirit to know the trades (exo 31:1-3) Saul was given spirit and then later it was taken (1 Sam 16:14). David asked God not to take his spirit from him after his sins pertaining to bat-sheva (Pslm 51:12-13) The spirit of God seems to give us the more of the traits or abilities of God, it is the comforter, the spirit of truth, understanding, it guides, it leads, it shows us the true from the false, we are given gifts that we otherwise would not have had, as Yeshua healed and raised the dead through the spirit, it was God doing it, and Yes while Yeshua did things as well he always looked to his Father to do these things. The Apostles and even those in the body of the christ are able to do things according to the gifts of the spirit. We are now the temple and Gods spirit in us seems to be a part of Gods very essence in us until the day that God himself dwells with us in the new Jerusalem and until that day we will simply have the spirit which has written the law in our hearts and allows us to know right from wrong.

      In short to me the Holy spirit is part of Gods very essence, that which Yeshua himself was born of, that which only He and his Father are, aside from the spirit of God. Gods very life force which gives life to all else in this world including us though we have our own spirit it cannot exist without Gods spirit to give it life. All life is of this essence which is of God and without the spirit of God there is no life. God is spirit and his Holy spirit is of him and part of him but is not Him, he is much more than his spirit as we are much more than our spirit. Best I can do and this is what I have believed for some time and cant see it much differently from scripture.

      • jacqueline says:

        Lee, I am going to key in on one thing you have said that makes a lot of sense.
        Okay God gave us life and the spirit that goes back when we die. I see now how he can just connect to us His Spirit with His Given life force or Spirt that we already have. Like we have power in our homes. We can easily connect anything which already has a cord etc to it.
        Maybe just I understand what I mean but everybody can be moved to do whatever God wants by His Spirit. He even made Nebuchadnezzar think, look like and act as a beast and restore him. So much so that he wrote a chapter in the Bible about his experience of God power over taking him.
        The Spirit dies not speak audibly maybe but it connects4with your mind and tells you how to proceed.
        Just my take on it.

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