THE HOLY SPIRIT!-Who is He?

The Ascension
(Mark 16:19-20Acts 1:6-11

Luke 24

50When Jesus had led them out as far as Bethany, He lifted up His hands and blessed them. 51While He was blessing them, He left them and was carried up into heaven. 52And they worshiped Him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53praising God continually in the temple.

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In John 20, we read:

John 20:22  And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Jesus performed this work upon 10 of the eleven disciples (Thomas was not present). Was this the moment that these ten men received the indwelling of the Spirit, as Christ promised to them in the Upper Room discourse? 

Apparently not for Jesus promised this next.

Jesus told the disciples that he would send one back just like him according to the Greek word. He would be a helper and He would be with them always. He said He couldn’t come unless he, Jesus, left.

I don’t know if it was because he had to ask his Father to send him as he said, or he had to appear before the Divine Court and Jehovah as the Lamb that took sin away. I also notice that the word Advocate in Greek meant someone just like him.

He never calls the Holy Spirit it! But rather HIM.hmmm

John 14:15-19 ” 15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you.

In order to grieve the Holy Spirit, he would have to be an entity able to discern and have emotion.
I don’t know what he is or what sort of divine one he is but he has a powerful effect on our group and individuals when you read the Bible or pray even. Sometimes helping you find the words.
Old testament brothers had the Spirit cause them to act but it didn’t stay or indwell as it was promised to Christians after Christ. Samson was an example. (Judges 14:6, 19; 15:14).

This article will be developed in the comments so others can express what they see in scripture.

Feel free to post in the comment section below. 

11 Responses to THE HOLY SPIRIT!-Who is He?

  1. Nubby Tope says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    According to the Apochryphal book called Book of Solomon\’s Wisdom, which is in the Jerusalem Bible, Holy Spirit is female! I googled this (Is Holy Spirit female?) and I was amazed at how much info there was about this. Apparently, most Christians in first and second centuries believed this, but when the Catholic church was created, and Scriptures were translated from Greek to Latin, verses were changed that altered the gender of HS because the Church wanted to subdue women.

    Also, one of the main differences between Catholic and Orthodoxy is that the Orthodox churches still believe HS is female. I had a long chat with my close friend who is Russian and she explained why Russian Orthodox (as well as Greek Ortho.) believe HS is female. In Moscow you can attend a college course in Sophiology and learn that way.

    I do like the idea of female HS. I don\’t refer to Her as Mother Goddess but I do think of her as Divine Mother. I\’m very comfortable with that!!

    • jacqueline says:

      Nubby Tope, WOW, let me research this. My point is that it is not an IT.
      This is what I found so far: I printed out most of it because some countries don’t allow the reader to go to obvious Christian sites, so I try to give them a sense of what our free google says.

      Let’s start with Hebrew.
      Hebrew is a gendered language. It has nouns that are masculine and feminine. That doesn’t necessarily mean the objects themselves have masculine or feminine identities. For example “cattle”, “year”, “hand”, “covenant”, “door”, “remnant”, “truth” and “sin” are all feminine in Hebrew. Also, in Hebrew the verbs attached to those nouns take on the gender of the noun with which they are connected.

      So, the Hebrew for Spirit is ruach which is a feminine noun. In Genesis 1:2, the verb for hovered takes on the feminine of the noun. So, Genesis 1:2 could be legitimately translated, “the Spirit of God she was hovering over the face of the waters…”

      We could. So why don’t we?

      Well, perhaps it is because we have a male bias. We need to be prepared to admit that we might.

      But we also need to jump to Genesis 41:8. There the spirit (feminine) was troubled (feminine verb). But this is the spirit of Pharaoh – a man. Similarly in Genesis 45:27 Jacob’s spirit (feminine) revived (feminine).

      The point is clear: the Hebrew noun might be grammatically feminine but that doesn’t mean the thing itself is feminine or indeed necessarily has feminine characteristics. (The BBC article referenced above quotes “grammatical gender is very different from biological sex.” This is perhaps too strong. There is an overlap.) So, we cannot argue ruach is feminine therefore we ought to translate it “she”. Instead we need to ask whose spirit is being referred to?

      On the one hand we do need to accept that the Holy Spirit has chosen to use a feminine-form noun to talk about himself in Genesis 1:2. But also in Genesis 1:2 the Spirit is the Spirit of God and “God” there is a masculine plural noun. How much we read into the gender and number of those nouns is a rather moot point. At the very least we must take a consistent approach.

      That brings us nicely to the issues of translating from a gendered language into a less-gendered language.

      Let me demonstrate with the Greek.

      Here are four key things about the “gendered-ness” of the Greek in our New Testament:
      a) The Greek uses three types of grammatically gendered nouns and pronouns: masculine, feminine and neuter (Hebrew just has the first two);
      b) As in Hebrew, the grammatical gender of the noun does not necessarily imply physical gender. Indeed, it usually doesn’t. For example “gold” and “frankincense” are both masculine and “myrrh” is feminine;
      c) In the NT Greek, masculine grammatical nouns can stand collectively for male and female gender people. An obvious example is the beatitudes in Matthew 5:3-10. The “theirs/they” of the second half of each beatitude is masculine but clearly refers to all people;
      d) As in Hebrew, grammatically masculine nouns are used of physically male people and grammatically feminine nouns are used of physically female people.

      Now let’s compare those four statements with English. In modern English:
      a) We don’t have grammatically gendered nouns and pronouns.; “Man” and “woman” are gendered in what they refer to, but they are not grammatically gendered;
      b) In English a noun or pronoun that carries connotations of physical gender usually correlates to the gender of the object;
      c) Having said that, we used to use masculine-referent nouns and pronouns collectively, for example “mankind”;
      d) And so (d) is true in the sense that “man” and “woman” are gendered in what they refer to.

      Those first three and fundamental differences immediately gives us a number of implications.

      First, in Greek and Hebrew the grammatical masculine or feminine carries a much wider range of meaning than in English, from having no indication of physical gender to being gender specific.

      Therefore, second, in English the gender of a noun carries much more significance than in Greek or Hebrew. For instance for the Hebrew to say “she” of the Holy Spirit may be as significant as saying “she” of a door or indeed “she” of sin. By contrast in English “she” is a much more pregnant term, if you will excuse the pun!
      https://churchsociety.org/blog/entry/is_the_holy_spirit_to_be_referred_to_as_she

      • Nubby Tope says:

        Wow! You did your research well!!.
        I knew all this gender oriented language stuff, I just couldn’t be bothered to quote it all as you did Jacqueline! French is also the same.

        Men address their cars as SHE but obviously its not a real female, I get that! But after my discussion with my Russian friend, I’m somehow favor the female HS. After being in a high-control doomsday cult for 55 years, and being told what to think and believe, despite what secular sources say (607=1914 e.g.) I promised myself that now I’m free to believe whatever I choose (as long as I have evidence) then I choose a female HS. If that is the one thing I get wrong then so be it! I’m stubborn like that!

        If Solomon believed a female entity is real, that’s good enough for me! He was wiser than a lot of us (and me) despite his flaws. Or maybe I’m just a “Mummy’s boy” clutching at straws! I don’t know and don’t really care, I just like the idea, there’s enough archaeological evidence to support this (google Yahweh and His Ashorah) and I’m happy. After 55 years of WT telling me what to believe I now relish the joy of being free of such indoctrination.

        But 1 thing I will agree with you: HS is not an IT. Jesus said to baptize in name of HS after Father and Son. They are persons, so HS must be too! Being baptized in the name of a force is silly! Would you get baptized in the name of electricity, magnetism, gravity, time, wind? No! So HS must be a person. But according to the research I have done, the early Christians believed in a real female HS. That’s why Orthodoxy still does and my Russian friend had a very convincing arguement. But if you and others believe otherwise then that’s your choice as is mine.

        • jacqueline says:

          Oh Nubby Tope you are too smart, If they are persons then Holy Spirit is a person. We don’t know what type of personages God has created or spoke into being. We know there are non angelic creatures around his throne and the 7 Spirits STAND before his throne.
          Nubby you got no problem with me in believing that the Holy Spirit is a She, we just know it isn’t an IT.
          He (She) was another just like Christ so it would finish the work. Jesus said he had done all he could. The helper would come and be with us always.
          55 years, that is a lifetime. I spent 62 in the witnesses and 8 in loose association with the Bible Students.
          But I have to say that I could never get on board with the Bible Students. It was a resting and learning experience for me and it put me in contact with thousands, that we were able to help get out and be free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty we are free at last.
          I just read your last paragraph to a friend and we laughed because stupid us never thought about Holy Spirit couldn’t be an “it” as there are emotions.
          I will develop the subject more by putting the many texts that speak about the works of the Spirit.
          I can see where you are going on what your Russian friend had to say and I would love to see more.
          Feel free to post as much as you can. It doesn’t matter the size.

          So many feel as we do about freedom to think and decide for ourselves if we can see a point without some sort of shunning.

          Tomorrow is a big day on this side of the Pond. Inauguration! It has been a rough 4 years. Hopefully, the chaos can abate for a while and some can heal.
          One man, made hell appealing! And every division that could come came! The pandemic fed on it and this once mighty nation hasmore cases than third world countries by comparison.
          But one thing it did for me was get me away from going down the same Rabbit hole as I saw what a political convention was like at the last 2018 convention I attended with the Bible Students.

          Now I can get on with a personal relationship with our Father along with free men and women.
          Take Care Nubby.
          PS. Thanks for being explaining in your comments. Some Christians can come on here from other countries but not surf the entire web and they depend on us being wordy. Some links, their country censor. And I can see they do come on from these provinces.
          Christians are being beheaded for Christ. Nigeria, even the young boys are being beheaded with the men if they don’t kill their parents and come with them to the army.

  2. jacqueline says:

    Yes, HE! I was as surprised as most of us who have been told it is an it, impersonal like the wind.

    John 16:13-14
    But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

    John 14:16
    Verse Concepts
    I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

    John 3:8
    Verse Concepts
    The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

    These are three of the foremost scriptures about the Holy Spirit and I intend to post everywhere it is found in God’s word as time goes on.

  3. jacqueline says:

    Jehovah and Jesus deal with us on a personal basis, what a beautiful example of this. How could the cleaner know what this man craved? It was God’s signal to this dear man that HE is not finished with him.
    Not a nurse or a doctor but a cleaner was used by God.
    How great our God Jehovah and Jesus are.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp98cK4YIoM

  4. Jacqueline says:

    We are really blessed to live in our time because the Holy Spirit can come on each of us, dwell with us.
    In Israel it came on certain ones then left but not on the entire individuals as persons but as a nation.
    For Example Samson, the Spirit came and went.
    David, however, is different, he is a type of Christ so the Spirit stayed with him.
    A great talk on this, Enjoy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAe-HNkpy70

  5. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    Yea I would certainly agree as the spirit is said to lead you into all truth by Yeshua and leads us, sometimes into a decision or in saying something we ourselves would not have said. We are told that when we are turned over to the courts and stand to be judged by men not to prepare what we will say cause in that very hour God by his spirit will give us the words as a testimony. (Luke 12:11-12) What is most interesting to me is the many statements in scripture that our body is now the temple. So Idol worship now is defilement of Gods sanctuary.
    We were not a temple before..
    2 Cor 6:16-18
    What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God—as God said, “I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
    Therefore Adonai says, ” ‘Go out from their midst; separate yourselves; don’t even touch what is unclean. Then I myself will receive you.
     In fact, I will be your Father, and you will be my sons and daughters.’ says Adonai-Tzva’ot.”

    To ALL,
    This is important for ALL of us now, the world is in an uproar and the spirit of the world, the spirit of Anti-Christ and the unholy spirit of the deceiver is at work. Our children are taught that tolerance of all things is o.k., against the law if they say certain things are wrong! Don’t misunderstand my words, the racism in the world is unacceptable, however there are things that even the modern church teaches that are important to understand… Intolerance Is sin now, Did Yeshua tolerate wrongdoing by the religious leaders? Should we allow active practicers of gross sin among us so tolerance is shown? Did Yeshua really teach come as you are? Repent 1st then offer sacrifice at the temple was how it was in the Law, repentance is Still required, Same thing….It has not changed… It will soon be difficult maybe even illegal for a minister or teacher to write or speak against wrongdoing even if we use The scriptures, More so if we do. God’s righteousness is soon to be bad in the eyes of the world, for those who have a spirit of fear it may be time to step down from the podium since WE Do not have a spirit of fear, When we speak against sin we will be hailed as hateful. While much of what is going on is not bad and is for good reason, WE must see the reality of what all of this will lead to, it will not stop at inequality for minorities or getting rid of crooked police, it will continue on and lead to war against all who a Truly proclaim Yeshua as Lord!

  6. jacqueline says:

    Jeff recently asked a very good question. Who is the Holy Spirit? How do we know we have it?
    The scriptures cited are loaded with clues.
    First, they reveal that not only was John a baptizer (immerse a solid in a liquid)but Jesus was also.

    1. Jesus baptized his followers in the Holy Spirit including his mother. They were to wait for this baptism, in Jerusalem.
    2. They saw him go up and he would be seen said the angel in the same way upon his return. Not an invisible return.
    3. They worshipped Him.
    4. He said they would receive Power when the Spirit came upon them and they would be witnesses for Jesus in all the earth.
    5. He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
    And I would say this is for all of his witnesses and follows today. They can’t nor should they attempt to know this that is reserved for the FATHER ONLY.

    These verses have a lot about the Holy Spirit. Jeff would like a discussion on this.
    It is labeled the Ascension and the Holy Spirit because this special gift could only come after the Ascension.

    Can we open up the discussion on more about The gift: The Holy Spirit and I will tell Jeff the article is up.

    • Lee Anthony says:

      Holy spirit, my understanding (still a work in progress…) We are made in Gods image and as God has a spirit so do we, the breath of life is the spirit from God which gives us life (Gen 2:7) and when we die that spirit returns to god. (Eccl 12:7) God himself while being a Spirit and also being holy is not necessarily the Holy Spirit spoken of. Many throughout scripture have been given a portion of the spirit for different purposes, some say this is just an anointing and not the spirit as spoken between new and old testaments, examples when builders of the tabernacle were given spirit to know the trades (exo 31:1-3) Saul was given spirit and then later it was taken (1 Sam 16:14). David asked God not to take his spirit from him after his sins pertaining to bat-sheva (Pslm 51:12-13) The spirit of God seems to give us the more of the traits or abilities of God, it is the comforter, the spirit of truth, understanding, it guides, it leads, it shows us the true from the false, we are given gifts that we otherwise would not have had, as Yeshua healed and raised the dead through the spirit, it was God doing it, and Yes while Yeshua did things as well he always looked to his Father to do these things. The Apostles and even those in the body of the christ are able to do things according to the gifts of the spirit. We are now the temple and Gods spirit in us seems to be a part of Gods very essence in us until the day that God himself dwells with us in the new Jerusalem and until that day we will simply have the spirit which has written the law in our hearts and allows us to know right from wrong.

      In short to me the Holy spirit is part of Gods very essence, that which Yeshua himself was born of, that which only He and his Father are, aside from the spirit of God. Gods very life force which gives life to all else in this world including us though we have our own spirit it cannot exist without Gods spirit to give it life. All life is of this essence which is of God and without the spirit of God there is no life. God is spirit and his Holy spirit is of him and part of him but is not Him, he is much more than his spirit as we are much more than our spirit. Best I can do and this is what I have believed for some time and cant see it much differently from scripture.

      • jacqueline says:

        Lee, I am going to key in on one thing you have said that makes a lot of sense.
        Okay God gave us life and the spirit that goes back when we die. I see now how he can just connect to us His Spirit with His Given life force or Spirt that we already have. Like we have power in our homes. We can easily connect anything which already has a cord etc to it.
        Maybe just I understand what I mean but everybody can be moved to do whatever God wants by His Spirit. He even made Nebuchadnezzar think, look like and act as a beast and restore him. So much so that he wrote a chapter in the Bible about his experience of God power over taking him.
        The Spirit dies not speak audibly maybe but it connects4with your mind and tells you how to proceed.
        Just my take on it.

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