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Amen that is more important —-the family tragedy Jacqueline
Having just come out from a 3 month mission trying to help a small Baptist church learn the truth a quickly engage in the subject of spiritual Israel as this church was encouraging its membership to support Israel in efforts to exterminate the Arabs. Personally I understand Ishmael is the ancient patriarch of the Arab tribes and God did say there would be great nations evolving from both Isaac and Ishmael( he promised Hagar)
So it looks like these nations: Israeli and Arabic will hate each other until Christs return. I think we shouldn’t take sides in this war of hate and bloodshed.
I agree Ted that is what ding “in Christ .. and having his spiritin addition to Yahweh’s Spirit causing us to become ‘One’ with Them(Romans 8) as the adoption is a physical bodily experience of flesh and blood receiving a new life in our hearts and minds…. A direct connection to Them. ( the Vine’ John 15
This is what happened to me in 2004-5 and I fought with the WT Society anf my wife and relatives for two years : we all are to be obeying Jesus simply stated instructions:”you must be born again of the water(true knowledge. From Christ and the Apostles) and the Holy Spirit coming into your physical body with all the amenities and aid and blessings that Han be garnered from it ….aside from the future rewards of heaven
Ted
This link explains how I understand Israel today in the plan of God. The Nation of Israel is visible and prophecies are fulfilled on the actual land.
Many Jews will perish in the different wars but a remnant of Israel will be saved when they ask for Jesus to come and help them when they flee possibly to Pella as Jesus told them. Many Jews have never accepted or read what Jesus told them to do and there you will see a separation if they don’t flee like in the first Destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
Those Jews who accepted Christ fled when the Roman armies surrounded the city and then left. ( “Christians”) Those who accepted Christ and listened to him were saved and scattered worldwide. They survive today because of obedience. They were a remnant saved in contrast to all the others who stayed in the surrounded city because they weren’t accepting of Jesus as Messiah.
A similar thing will happen eventually, but the Jews will survive. “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Bill Salus gives an in-depth discussion on this and I don’t believe in re-inventing the wheel, {:} He does a great Job. Plus right now my family is preparing for a funeral,
Take Care
Genesis 12:3 was speaking to the people called the Jews: “
Yes Jacqueline the Jews as a nation up until Jesus died and’ nailed the law’ on the torture stake…. WERE …. In a covenant sealed with the blood of animals sprinkled o them by the Jewish High Priest annually. Christ is the “end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith in him may have everlasting life”.
The Jews alive today are no longer in a covenant relationship with Yahweh and especially not brief either unless they individually come to Christ and God’s word to receive the water of life which is the true words of Christ and the Apostles… and receive the rebirth of the Holy Spirit of God and Christ.
This is why since christ was murdered by the Jews they lost their covenant with Yahweh and their protection and guidance and their temple and religion…. It’s all GONE
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Again sorry for your loss. This subject isn’t going to be settled soon and you need to attend your family. Our prayers are with you. The formating problem is evidently on my phone not your site, so no worries.