“Sword of God”- with Ted R

 

Many visiting this site have been Jehovah witnesses, Scientologist, Bible Students or one of the denominations based on the writings or beliefs of one man or set of men. 

How can we avoid these pitfalls again, now that we have managed to get free? One major scripture was misquoted to all Jehovah witnesses for a century: "Who versus Whom"

67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.

68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

 

 

 

 

486 Responses to “Sword of God”- with Ted R

  1. Theophilis says:

    I see so many leaving the Watchtower organization that end up leaving Christ. This is a fantastic video by an ex-JW Elder, noted author and Pastor David Bercot, on leaving the Witnesses. His YouTube channel is an excellent resource for studying what the early Christians believed. This one is directed to those who are thinking of leaving. All who are leaving should watch this!!!
    https://youtu.be/RBi2x_T1sok

    • jacqueline says:

      Theophilus thank you. David is saying what we said all along, our leaving the witnesses was to get free to study the Bible, and along the way we found out about Jesus and learned he is the only way that is needed to get to Jehovah!
      Freedom to dig into research and talk and visit with other Christians has been so beautiful.

      I would not have said anything about the witnesses myself because I had just walked away and wasn’t aware you couldn’t leave this religion without the forces of hell coming against you.

      They tried to destroy my family and take my children away from me and the elders were visiting my home.

      When they were asked to not come here they and the organization tried to destroy me.

      That is why I had to pick up the PEN because it is mightier than the SWORD. To make them back off and get on with their lives and let me and my family get on with ours without their interference.

      I can’t criticize totally the approach that some have taken who go through their teachings and talks to show where they are not holding to the Bible at ALL.

      I personally, just can’t listen to my abusers and break free. They had 62 years of my life and I refuse to listen to anything that they teach. I burned all of their literature, 4 huge garbage cans full.

      Some of the ones that have left and are immoral were like that while inside of the witnesses.
      The witnesses seemed to attract the underbelly side of society. Rapists, pedophiles, gossipers, liars, etc are what a huge part of the congregations was like.

      I left to get away from these types of people in the religion, especially the governing body.

      My sincere prayers were answered, that there was a redeemer, Christ. There are so many Christian voices out there and I try to put links on this site to some of those voices.

      Early on when I left, I fell into the trap of the angry Bible Students who were looking for an avenue to get back at the witnesses for something that happened over 100 years ago.
      I had to get away from them because they were just caught in the worship of Russell and hatred of the witnesses only because they took the money and ran after Russell died.

      So thank you for posting. We are having a ball on Saturday Night Zoom and Thursday Bible Study Fellowship is just beyond words. We all have been out for over 10 years and had Bible-only fellowship the entire time. Take Care of yourself.

  2. Theophilis says:

    David Bercot, a former Jehovah’s Witness and researcher on What the Early Christians Believed, provides us with some great insight. I think all of us can relate. I highly recommend any Watchtower member or former member listen to this 30 minute discussion.

    What God Has Taught Me Through the School of Experience (Life Lessons)
    https://youtu.be/RZ7noJ3-K0Y

  3. Theophilis says:

    We are approaching the Christmas Holiday, celebrated by Christians around the world. Critics call it Pagan. The Watchtower condemns it as such. Are they right? If so, would a person be condemned by God for celebrating it? According to the Watchtower theology, for example, the Star that the Magi followed was sent by Satan. The claim is that these Magi were astrologers (astrology is a condemned practice of spiritism and fortune telling in todays world). The were sent by Satan first to Jerusalem and Herod, who proceeded to have every male child under 2 years old put to death. To many that seems logical. But what’s the rest of the story? The following video gives us an encouraging and different view of the Christmas Star!

    https://youtu.be/IuZr7rLy_NU

    As Christians we need to make the decision whether or not to celebrate the holiday. What do the Scriptures say? True, there are some pagan practices associated with Christmas. But is that in itself wrong? If so we have to do away with our calendars, wedding rings, and many other customs we inherited from our pagan ancestors. I posted another video regarding Christmas on Dec 6th that helps address this from a Bible standpoint.

    • jacqueline says:

      Theophilus hello and thanks for all your comments. I also have a link here from Chuck Missler that gives an in-depth view of the unknown date of the birth of Christ. Where did the 25th date originate(Babylon?)

      That would be significant in Christian life. It is very true that more people will hear about Jesus on this day more than any other and that can be a witness.
      Another God’s worship on that day can’t be ignored and some will view this as an ordinary day to further and intensely declare Jesus because many might listen on this day.
      Enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhYwyFEcqtQ&t=1028s
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhYwyFEcqtQ&t=1038s

      • Theophilis says:

        Thank you for this. I love Chuck Missler. He provides details that I haven’t found anywhere else. I am going to pass this on to my Bible Study groups. Hope you are doing well. Tell Henry I said Hi. Love you my friends.

        • jacqueline says:

          Everyone in our little group is doing fine. Also good news, our family has overcome to a great extent the devil-inspired attack by the organization to destroy our family. Many have gotten together and some of the males in the family have brought forth that Black Families, as well as others, need to stick together and not let men that are racial bigots destroy us.
          It’s Covid time but they have been masking up, getting vaccinated and boosted, and coming together to defeat these men’s attack on families. I am happier now and thank Yahweh and Jesus for their mercies.
          I love Chuck Missler, he was a valiant teacher of God’s word. I am going through his learn the Bible in 24 hours for about the second or third time and I get a new nugget every time.
          I could never go back to reading books and being indoctrinated in dogma and set doctrines.
          There is no chapter on Hell, Armageddon, death, etc but finely woven throughout the Bible.
          Topical study of the Bible as put forth by Russell and subsequent presidents and the governing body has resulted in an error of understanding.
          I also have the Torah Studies and the full verse by verse study also on the site.
          It is so refreshing to hear from a Jewish voice.
          This link is just precious of the hidden stuff between the letters and lines in the Bible.
          https://askjacqueline.life/hidden-treasures-in-the-bible/

  4. Theophilis says:

    A little humot brighten your day! I laughed my head off.
    Dubtown Special S01E28 JW’s – Leaving The Yellow Brick Road

    https://youtu.be/1FX3VrKvacI

  5. Theophilis says:

    A very good video by our Brother Eric Wilson!
    Is There Proof That the Holy Spirit has Left JW.org?
    https://youtu.be/HfnphQ229fk

  6. Theophilis says:

    Is Christian Pagan? Debunking the criticism and myths!
    https://youtu.be/ugxJBb0lPXQ

  7. Theophilis says:

    I noticed many who have left the Watchtower organization still hold to the teaching on blood, thinking thati t is a scriptural command. But is it? If you are one of these please examine the following evidence:
    https://youtu.be/3QJhSEbxF4o
    More links for additional research.
    https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/bl
    http://www.bmj.com/content/322/7277/37
    http://ajwrb.org/physicians
    If blood transfusion was Scripturally condemned under law then this would be followed by the Jewish and Muslim orthodoxy. These religion’s strictly follow the Law given by Moses. But they don’t recognize that Gods law forbids transfusions, even though they do refuse to drink blood, Read the evidence!!!! Don’t keep following the teachings of these mortal men! Blood symbolizes life! Do we use this symbol to condone death? Even the the Jews put life above the life, allowing exceptions to even the Law regarding the most holy Law, the Sabbath! We see this with the actions of Christ on several occasions. DO THE RESEARCH!

    • jacqueline says:

      Theophilis, Jehovah has always used blood to save lives, by shedding it to atone. He knew in advance that there would be modern medicine including blood transfusions to save lives.
      “Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’Isaiah 46:10.

      If it is a salvation issue, He isn’t afraid to tell us. No Christians drink blood or eat it in puddings sausage etc,. When my loved ones were killed on the highway, I wanted everyone to make sure the blood was rinsed away as I often went down that highway. It was not disrespectful to rinse blood away.
      The religion from Russell until today takes one scripture only and make a doctrine. The entire pyramid doctrine is one scripture and many more of the doctrines of this 1800’s manmade religion. How in the world do people allow these men to know their medical matters. In 1959 my father took blood without asking or telling them. He knew those men were callous.

      If a witness or any others decide they don’t want a blood transfusion it is their decision. It is not a violation of Jehovah’s or Christ laws.
      Some would rather risk dying rather than take a transfusion or a transplant.
      Witnesses said transplants were against the bible until a man in their leadership needed an organ transplant I heard. They said vaccines were against Jehovah’s law now they encourage their flock to take it after over 19,000 have died among their ranks from Covid-19.

  8. Theophilis says:

    A video for all who wish to truly be free from the false teachings of Watchtower!
    https://youtu.be/FDfywBe2SXA

    • jacqueline says:

      Theophillis, I am learning that most witnesses believe that as long as they belong in membership to the organization and attend meetings they are automatically saved.
      Their conduct is normally not much better than a person who knows nothing about God. Osmosis/ just being in or near is what they believe and as a result they don’t get into the study of the Bible, only what they are fed from the books and watchtower magazines. Total Indoctrination.

  9. Theophilis says:

    Do James and Paul contradict each other?
    Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

    “by Grace you are saved through faith…. 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. ”

    James tells us:
    Faith without Works Is Dead
    James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters,[a] if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

    18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works. 23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,” and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.

    Are James and Paul disagreeing? Is the Bible contradicting itself?
    NO!!! True faith in our Lord is more than just believing he existed!
    “19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder.”
    So a mere profession of belief is not necessarily enough.
    True belief and Faith in our Lord will motivate us to do good works. It shows that we truly have accepted the Lord! It is not works that save us as Paul brings out. When we believe in any cause we manifest that belief by signing petitions, demonstrations, advertising through the media or online. We show our belief in that cause by working to promote it in some way. Our belief in something, our faith in a cause will motivate us! True faith and belief in our Lord and savior motivates works of faith!
    John 14:12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.
    John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments”

    Works alone however will not gain us salvation! Many perform good works but with wrong motivation. They may seek material gain or social acceptance without having true faith. That is why Jesus told us at Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’

    No, there is no disagreement between Paul and James. They simply approach salvation and faith from different angles. Paul emphasis having a true faith in God brings about salvation. James helps us appreciate that if we have true faith, our way of life will manifest the faith we have. Our faith will motivate us to doing good deeds, helping others and striving to do our Lords will and follow his example. We strive to keep his commandments. What are they?

    Notice Jesus words at Matthew 22:34 When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, 35 and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” 37 He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
    Love God with all your hearts and love your neighbor.

    Are we manifesting this Love for God and neighbor? Are we manifesting our faith in the Lord by showing this love? Yes true faith in our Lord is what brings salvation, not by empty works, but faith that makes changes in our life motivating us to let our light shine.
    atthew 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven.

  10. Theophilis says:

    A pastors balanced view of Halloween. More to consider! Pagan? Modern practices? Origin? https://youtu.be/ALY9aLKm9YI A Pastor Shares His Thoughts on Halloween

  11. Theophilis says:

    This is time of year when many celebrate the worldly holiday of Halloween. Is it wrong for Christians to celebrate Halloween? The following video is from a form witch who is now a Christian. She brings us interesting insights to consider.
    https://youtu.be/1MkP51wsyEo

  12. Theophilis says:

    The Watchtower taught us that we are living in the sabbath day of creation. That it is no longer necessary for Christians to celebrate the Sabbath! Most orthodox Christians worship on Sunday because they reason that Christ was resurrected on Sunday. Are these viewpoints correct according to Scripture? But are either of these viewpoints truly Scriptural? The following video provides some very thought provoking arguments in this regard. Should we observe the Sabbath? What day, Saturday or Sunday? When was the day changed? Most importantly, what does the Bible say?
    https://youtu.be/thZVw-vODFE

    • traveler says:

      Just a thought or two on Yahweh’s Seventh Day Rest

      (Genesis 2:1-3) 2 Thus the heavens and the earth and all their army came to their completion. 2 And by the seventh day God came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made. 3 And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting from all his work that God has created for the PURPOSE of making.

      (Ecclesiastes 1:9) . . .That which has come to be, that is what will come to be; and that which has been done, that is what will be done; and so there is nothing new under the sun.

      (or Son)

      While Solomon could see in a limited way that there was nothing new under the sun, in the end of this system we have enough insight to see that this applies also to the Son of God, Ye•shu′aʽ/Jesus. We know that His Son, was the only creation directly created by Yahweh, and that all other things were created through him. In this light we can see that his Son was the work of Yahweh, created for the purpose of making. This means that His Son was created and given the awareness to fulfill all the work of making until a time that Yahweh intended to take up his work of making once again. We know that on crossing from death to life we become a new creation, the first possible immortal beings, now no longer having death as a natural end of our existence.

      We enter into Yahweh’s rest when we believe in Ye•shu′aʽ/Jesus and the fact that through him, Yahweh has everything under control and we need not be anxious. We under-stand that all things have been prepared by Yahweh’s purposeful creation his son. We rest our hopes confidently on his Son Ye•shu′aʽ/Jesus, now with a new name, the “Amen”.

  13. Theophilis says:

    Here is a link to the VICE program regarding jW’s and Child Abuse for those that haven’t seen it!
    https://odysee.com/@The_Into_Left_Aluminum_Spiders:6/B-Vice-JW:9

  14. Theophilis says:

    What did the early Church believe about the Nephilim? This video and the series presented helps explain Genesis 6. Why did God destroy the entire human race and animals? Interesting points! I recommend watching all seven videos in this series.

    https://youtu.be/4RIm-weWNR8

  15. Theophilis says:

    As Christians we will all be persecuted in one way or another if we strive to maintain our integrity and our faith in our Lord. What will we do if our lives are on the line? The following video is encouraging and faith strengthening.
    Matthew 5:10-12
    10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    https://www.revelationmedia.com/watchstephen/RM17607/

  16. Theodophilis says:

    The Watchtower Society is constantly trying to capitalize on persecution. Right now it is the problem in Russia. They say it is proof that they are Gods organization and that we are nearing Armageddon! The point to Scriptures such as Luke 21:12
    “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name.”
    Religious persecution is definitely tragic. But why are they persecuted? For bearing the name of Christ? They are persecuted now in Russia due to their extreme un-Scriptural beliefs of extreme shunning causing the break up of families, positions on child abuse, and refusal of Blood transfusions. They insinuate that they are the only organization dealing with persecution. But is that true? Each year thousands of Christians are killed by extremist Muslim factions. Christians are put in prison in China and other Communist countries. Not for extreme un-Scriptural beliefs but for the name of Christ. Because they bear the name Christian! I just watched the video “Tortured for Christ”. Here is the link: https://www.persecution.com/tfcmovieevent/?_source_code=EMDS1N
    In in this country when we express our belief in Christ and stand by his laws set out in Scripture, we are ridiculed and even censored in some publications and Social Media!
    Take time to watch this video. I subscribe to Voice of the Martyrs’. Please pray for these Brothers and Sisters in the faith who are being killed and tortured for bearing the name of Christ!

    • jacqueline says:

      Thank you so much for the link. I go to the meetings when they are on tour and have meet many of the speakers o “Voice of the Martyrs’. They are doing so much to get the Bible in the hands of believers. Not magazines with doctrines or books, just the Bible and allows the Holy Spirit to teach them.
      Only a very Naive person would believe the witnesses are the only ones persecuted by Russia. They are an equal opportunity persecutor.
      It was said Putin had no problem with the witnesses and they were not being included in the round up.
      2 families, it is alleged brought suit against the watchtower society for breaking up their families with their shunning policies.
      The courts checked out the Internet and found that this was indeed true. also articles like this helped them realize the seriousness of this SHUNNING. https://www.wzzm13.com/article/news/local/michigan/how-shunned-jehovahs-witness-mom-killed-her-entire-family/69-555703856
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillelid_murders
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5725071/Margaret-River-massacre-Jehovahs-Witness-father-speaks-children-going-new-system.html
      https://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/bryant-robert.htm

      This doctrine that if you all die before Armageddon YOUR death and shedding of YOUR blood will assure you get in the 1000 year reign.

      They don’t believe the blood of Christ covered our sins and if we die we come back because HE DIED!!!! We can’t redeem ourselves if we shed innocent blood all day and night.
      ONLY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST DID THAT ALREADY. He gave us a free gift and it is done.
      Many are still trying to obey doctrines to redeem themselves.
      Witnesses are not in harmony with Christ as being out redeemer, otherwise, this evil doctrine wouldn’t be taught.
      Google the family murders and 90 percent of them have a Witness connection.
      JWfact and other websites have pages of these murders and they are all witnesses wishing to guarantee all members of their family get in “paradise” by shedding their own blood country to what Jehovah required. Just like Cain, who slay his brother.
      Jesus is enough for all mankind to live again.

  17. Theodophilis says:

    I didn’t know this one! An interesting video regarding the Watchtower Society association with the KKK!
    https://youtu.be/1mfTcCap2FA

    • jacqueline says:

      I’m so glad you posted this link. That is my good friend Jeff. I wasn’t aware he had a youtube channel. He has great info for those that need to know how and why things are happening in the witness and Bible student movement. He has integrity.

    • Jeff says:

      Hello everyone. This is Jeff from WT-History. Many here will know me. Hope all is well with you. Had a nice chat with Jacqueline today and it was good to catch up. We recently found more KKK connections with statements from Rutherford himself and will be posting that in a new video in a few weeks.

  18. Theodophilis says:

    Does man go to heaven or hell when he dies? What about purgatory? Most rank and file Christians believe you go straight to heaven or straight to hell. Catholics believe you go to purgatory when you die. The Catholic idea may be a little closer to the truth. Many theologians believe that the spirit goes to Sheol or Hades, the common dwelling place of the dead. I am posting a blog regarding this “intermediate” state as well as a video on “what the Early Christians Believed about Life after Death. After following these links, watching the video and reading the blog, what do you think?
    https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/intermediate-state?fbclid=IwAR1N13knK5zQPONOZzuqVWntysI3r1GUUBXbiYg0ZAZQlqRA7Y_LnGkiJLI
    https://youtu.be/QGs7ZOVHdFw
    What the Early Christians Believed about Life after Death

    • Lee Anthony says:

      Thanks Theodopholis,
      A good read and study as well, I do wonder why he left out these verses? They are of the utmost importance in understanding timing and such in regards to certain aspects of death and resurrection. I won’t comment on it but hope others will instead as there are a few views on the subject we can entertain.

      (1 Thess. 4:13-17) But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
       For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
       For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
      For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
      Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

      • Theodophilis says:

        Hi Lee
        I attend a Bible study group. We consider various books by Christian authors. One thought mainstream academics put out is that the intermediate state is a sleeplike condition. We are aware to a point just as when we are sleeping. My feeling it that it is a topic for discussion but we don’t need to be dogmatic. None of us has ever experienced death so we can only surmise based on our understanding of Scripture and early Christian writings. We know we will be resurrected to be with Jesus after we die when the time comes. We know from Scripture that the first resurrection has not yet occurred, Jesus has not returned. I posted this because of it’s educational value. I feel its good to look at other viewpoints that have a Scriptural and historic basis, especially like those found in “what the Early Christians believed” videos. That’s part of being a Berean!
        What really counts is that we have accepted Lord Jesus as our Savior and strive to obey his unburdensome commands. We will find out the truth about life after death when the time comes. I don’t believe it is a salvation issue.

        • Lee Anthony says:

          Theodopholis,
          Thanks for the reply, I certainly agree. Putting forth alternate views for others is good, it is what I do weekly when I speak on my podcast. No one has to believe nor even consider what I think if they don’t want to. When it is written then it is written, woe is me when I add too or take from any of Gods word, yet being dogmatic aside, being pleasing to God by doing his word, showing love, mercy to others and being faithful to Yeshua is what counts, it matters not at all what we feel scripture says but what scripture actually says at face value and what we do with it after the spirit moves us. It is the great divider in the body of Christ, our holy cows, our views and our interpretations. Like the Leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees Yeshua warned against in (Matt 16:6-12) The teachings of today are no less important to be aware of, yet it is when they divide that we can hope to upbuild one another and remind ourselves that we will not remain seperate forever but one day we will be united in one faith and YHVH will sort out the false from the true like always, by his word. May we all unite in the bond of our faith in Messiah Yeshua

      • traveler says:

        Hi, note that Jesus descends from heaven. He as the first born son and son of God received as the law foreshadowed a two part inheritance, rulership over heaven and earth. Jesus made a specail arrangement with his brothers the sons of Israel as a body to share a one part inheritance, rulership over the earth as the new administration , new Jerusalem. Jesus descended to become the new \”god of the air. All who recieve a resurrection result of return to life on earth as Jesus himself did by Abrahamic promise will experience the event of the twinkling and meet or \”see\” Jesus clearly to remain in this frame of mind the \”air\” with Jesus forever. There is no provision for any of humanity to go to heaven. Jesus was the same as a son of man only promised return to life on earth. He was later called to heaven as a son of God.

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