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This is the "Ask Jacqueline Network" There are many Authors that publish their works and "SHORT" books on here.

We are all believers in Christ and accept the Bible as the "ONLY AUTHORITY" and the last word on matters of faith. Welcome.

Below are comments from other writers. 

We do not belong to any religious organizations nor are we affiliated with any church or Bible associations.

We do belong to Almighty GOD and His Son Jesus Christ. You have a voice here equal to all on here, WELCOME!

We are just people discussing the Bible with anyone that chooses to come to the site to take a break and rest a bit. We will listen to what you see the scriptures clearly teach, share your journey and help, you to work through your Spiritually abusive experience.

Some of you are adult victims of child sexual abuse by clergy of various religious organizations. We understand it is not your fault for trusting. The perpetrators and the governing bodies are at fault for hiding and failing to alert your parents to the known pedophiles in abundance among you. They are and were aware of the pedophiles but protected them.

Our sole mission is to help you start thinking, praying directly to God through Jesus Christ and not through a man or organization. To not be afraid of God or Armageddon but to accept Christ as your leader and not a governing body or a one-man founder of your former religions. 

Videos posted at the end of every page are not to sway you but to let you see that other people do know something about the Bible and try to break it down also. One thing you will notice is that more people are willing to change what they formerly thought was the truth, and more persons are using just the Bible, no books or magazines. We are a help site, to get your mind working to do critical thinking, not teach you what we believe but get you going to God through Jesus directly. To have a personal relationship with God and feel you don't need an organization talking to God for you. 

 NOTE: We have writers from different countries, so articles may reflect the experiences of that country but not another. Enjoy!


You can speak freely here without being hushed up. We push only the Bible, not any religion. We are just following "two or Three", small group discussions. So commenters will measure it against the Bible but have the latitude to think through what is being said and discuss also. The Apostles through the Holy Spirit have left us clear paths on what the Christian congregation should look like. House Churches with no Nicolaitanism. (Clergy-laity) We are all brothers here.

Everyone has a voice here without fear of being harassed by those not wanting you to tell your story.

Matthew 18: 20  "For where two or three gathers in my name, there am I with them.”

by Jacqueline- Welcome


The next section of the mission is written by Greg from Canada. 


It is not our desire to indoctrinate, recruit, convert, or “save” anyone. We recognize that everyone is on an individual journey, and so their paths from their various points of origin onward to their personally envisioned destinations are going to be somewhat varied.


Quite understandably, some persons who have been adversely impacted by spiritual abuse at the hands of “Bible-Thumpers” and “Religious Terrorists” may want nothing more to do with God, the Bible, or religion. For others, it is equally understandable that their personal convictions or their worries and anxieties may compel them to try to find a new way to move through and beyond spiritual abuse while not completely abandoning their God or religious beliefs.


No matter who you are, where you’ve come from, what you’ve once believed, or what you now believe, it is our resolve to help you feel safe, welcome, and at ease here. We want everyone to find the support they need and want—nothing more, nothing less. Think of this as a buffet: pick only what you want or are willing to try; eat only as much or as little of whatever it is you want; leave what you don’t want; come back for second and third helpings of the things you like.


We believe that no matter where we currently are on our journey towards healing and recovery, we are ALL seriously interested in finding relief while we struggle to reclaim our lives and to move forward in a way that is uniquely and personally meaningful. Mourning and coming to understand the traumatic things we’ve experienced is an essential part of the healing process and so it is our desire to support and encourage as many as possible in that very personal endeavor.


Some persons may want support and assistance in letting go of many strongly programmed fears connected with religion and spirituality. Others may be hoping to pursue new and healthier spiritual avenues while allowing themselves to discover how they can free themselves from old programmed fears. We offer many kinds of resources and support along whichever route you personally find most comfortable and appealing. We hold unconditional positive regard for everyone.


One last thought: In English, the word spirituality can cause great confusion. For several centuries it has been used and misused and carries at least two distinctly separate meanings. The way in which we use the word isn’t about spirit beings, God, or religion. We use it to mean caring for one’s OWN INNER spirit of calmness, hopefulness, compassion, joy, and peace. That’s why we’ve made it our resolve to never again allow religion to get in the way of our spirituality.

Contributed by Greg Williamson, Canada- Now you have met Greg.

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99 Responses to Home: Our Mission- Who Are We?

  1. Hi Jacqueline,

    I thought you and your visitors might like to know about another forum for ex-Bible Students on Reddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/exbiblestudent/

    Any current, skeptical or former Bible Students are welcome to post stories, questions, etc… and share their experiences.

    Have a great day!

    -Ex-Bible Student

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi, I actually know you. Many will see your link. I have been on the Redditt thread a lot just reading some of the comments.
      I find it triggering to see things that mention Russell said this or that or the governing body says this.
      I have trained myself now to check out what the Bible only actually says on a subject.
      Of course, I listen to many voices because that is how we learn. But it was such an unpleasant experience most of the time hearing the Bible Students quote Russell and his writings. I felt I was bowing down to another god alongside Jehovah.
      Something He strictly forbids to have another god right alongside Him and viewing Russell’s word as just as important as the Bible just upset me.

      • “I find it triggering to see things that mention Russell said this or that or the governing body says this.”

        I understand, but most only mention CTR in the context of criticism and because he was the founder of the Bible Students. No one is giving credence to his teachings in that forum. As an example, I recently posted this criticizing CTR’s instructions on funeral services: https://www.reddit.com/r/exbiblestudent/comments/oqunfp/charles_t_russell_on_funeral_services/

        I do hope you feel free to come visit again and consider creating a post there some time sharing your perspective. 🙂

        -Ex-Bible Student

        • jacqueline says:

          I saw your thread on a funeral but didn’t read it. I will. I realize Russell had some things correct and insight, like many today and in the past.

          What I am saying is he is not “Special” to the point of worship, adoration and seeing what he said on a subject also.

          I am finding the Holy Spirit has power as a teacher. The things we understand from studying and simply reading the scriptures as a small fellowship are amazing.
          The Bible is written for us to understand, when there are a few together or many the Holy Spirit does what it is sent to do, teach.
          The association with the friends was nice but then you had to grit your teeth through the meetings extolling the Studies in the Scripture quotes or outright study, over and over again to ingrain it in your brain.

          The elders wrote me a letter in short explaining that I must accept Russell as the seventh messenger of Revelation. Some things that might happen if I didn’t is some wouldn’t want me at their conventions as a class. Some wouldn’t want to invite me to any private events, etc.
          It was a learning experience for me, as I saw where the witnesses got their shunning from. I also got to see how they formed their organization, too.
          The Bible Students are
          as much an organization as the Witnesses. If you disagree with them on Russell’s doctrines you will see them act as a committee to uphold his word as if it was the Bible.
          One elder told me he would not obey Matt 18 at all even tho it was stated by Jesus but Br. Russell’s words are law. Strange indeed.

          I do admit that Bible Students are not all the same. They do, however, stand in Unison on Russell being the Angel or 7th messenger and draw the line in the sand.
          His authority is not to be questioned.

          The “Grand Plan, or “Russellites” classes are more like this.
          This would involve the Chicago, Illinois area, Ohio, and most of the Southern States.

          I am okay with the brothers doing what they feel suits them in worship.
          That is why I am I found most ex-JW exited quietly to leave the brothers alone.
          They seem to be so sincere and hold to old understandings that were not revealed in the 17th, 19th, or 20th century.

          Quite a bit of what Russell wrote is borrowed information from the 5 centuries previous. He was an amazing editor, researcher, and compilation minister.
          Volume one is history and he put it together superbly or his wife did, a lot can be learned.

          So to sum it up, I am not against any of the writings of those who did the best they could.
          I am just saying Russell is alongside Jehovah and in place of Jesus in the sector of the Bible Student movement that I witnessed.
          The insistence on putting Russell upfront is the same and as bold as the Governing Body of (Jehovah’s) Witnesses. I say Jehovah’s witnesses because I know how the internet works with picking up word phrases. I do understand that the Jews are witnesses to how and who Jehovah is.

          How does one know that God exists? Look at the Jews!

          I see many of the ex-witnesses are so glad to see your platform. May Jehovah and Jesus bless your efforts to spread and discuss the truth of the Bible in freedom from organizational rules and constrictions.
          Shalom, Jacqueline

          • Candice S. Former biblestudent says:

            Agreed. I just recently left the bible students because bottom line I am a fantasy/ fiction author and as i shared in your sat night class one time that’s my passion and creativity besides serving the Lord. God gave me my gift to write, but because I wrote on non biblical fantasy fiction though I don’t follow those beliefs , it’s just fiction. I left anyways because like the Jws they keep looking me up on social media to see what I will do next. I NEVER brought up my social life in the meetings and kept it strictly to biblical studies. I am not even a member and visited a few classes, now because of my books word is spreading like wild fire no matter where I visit which ever class so i just don’t go. I still love the volumes and pastor Russell or brother Russell as I call him, so now I’m just isolated and read on my own. So sad they had to investigate me like the jw elders did.

            • jacqueline says:

              Candice, I will reply tonight. Can you come on the Thursday night study tonight so we can talk. I got a ton of doctor appointments today but I will answer you when I finish. Take Care of yourself. I knew you would wake up. I found it a little more invasive than the witnesses. We will talk.

            • Henry Henson says:

              Hi Candice. I was wondering how you were progressing in the writing of your book. Drop by sometime and give us an update on it. Also your comments about the Bible Students are not surprising. They can be somewhat intrusive in your life. Anyhow it’s always encouraging to hear from you.

              Christian Love

            • jacqueline says:

              Candice, we have been on a journey that took us to where the religious ideas, dogma, and organization rules began.
              It is all a part of the process to get free from the teachings of one man that became a religious and controlling empire by his followers.
              I somehow feel Russell would see the internet as more of a fulfillment of knowledge traveling faster rather than the invention of the steam engine.
              That he would change his mind about Christ thousand-year reign having begun in 1874.

              There were other evangelizing movements that believed that but has long dropped that as they know Jesus to be stronger than the rulership we see now. Also, the Bible definitely says not to go out after those who would say look he is in the wilderness or invisible, just follow us.

              The Bible students are nice and may God bless them but I just can’t worship the concept of one man and study his 6 books decades after decades for a hundred years. But no problem if they have this fortitude.

              I really enjoyed the meeting tonight and it was so nice to see and talk with you.
              I just saw your email come up on my phone so I will be going over to it now.

              So glad you are able to keep your freedom and not have to join a religion to study the Bible or be slighted or shunned.
              What a journey. What a learning experience> It always leads us to Christ as the mediation and “Way” to Jehovah. You don’t need to join an order but freely discuss scripture with other Christians.

        • jacqueline says:

          I just reread your reply. I didn’t mean your Reddit page triggered me when friends respond. I meant engaging in the teachings. For instance, telling me what Russell taught and what the governing body is saying on a weekly basis. Your Redditt thread is just what is needed!
          Some websites review the watchtower studies weekly and listen to the talks every week and discuss them.
          That is okay to help those that are still in see where there is error in their reasoning. That is another way to help. It works for them and they are strong enough to hear the words of the governing body and what is in studies in the scriptures on a weekly basis.

          I have refrained from too much of what they say and have moved on to what does the Bible actually says. Without referencing what they teach.

          That is the approach of this website, to infuse other voices in. To wipe out the former teachings and cause them to think and move forward.

          It is a Mental Health site whose purpose is to move readers on. Let them know there are more Christians out there, watching, praying and letting the Holy Spirit talk to them and help.

          I used to dwell on Russell vs Jehovah’s witnesses when I was on the Friendsofjehovahswitnesses website.
          But I found out the site had an agenda of anger at the Jehovah witnesses not because of doctrinal differences. But because they split away and became a billionaire organization because of the supposed “Will” being changed by Rutherford.
          That is their fight, not mine.
          I commented on the funeral article you wrote because every word you said is true.
          Everything is pushing the agenda of the beliefs of Russell even when people are grieving.
          Witnesses do the same. How shameful and conceited.

          • Sorry for misunderstanding your earlier reply Jacqueline! I’m glad you enjoyed the funeral article.

            • jacqueline says:

              That is okay, I probably was writing so fast I conveyed it. I put a link on your thread for a zoom conference call we have every Saturday night.
              We suspended it for the summer so people could get out with real people. But I do open it up every Saturday just in case someone comes on. Everyone will start back in October or earlier if things get frantic on the world scene. See you on one of them if possible maybe.

  2. jacqueline says:

    Thought for today: It does not matter how you started out but rather how you finish.

    Many on this site has gone through a journey of learning.

    It might have been negative but it was still lessons learned.

    The question put before us now as we see the earth getting angry as Jehovah Speaks;

    Will, we now not have others Gods sitting alongside him?

    Jehovah will not accept the worship of him and the governing body of the watchtower organization alongside HIM.

    He wants exclusive worship.

    The governing body of the watchtower has demanded worship as the savior of the witnesses. But now they have been revealed and fallen, a much smaller group because many have escaped and are free.

    • Kevin Davis says:

      As you know Jacqueline I’ve been abused By family and Suffered abuse from Campbell County While I was Jehovah’s witness Going through torture of government does to you Either makes you a break you spiritually I’ve been Poisoned For being A Jehovah’s witness I really I am a Jehovah’s witness But I don’t have a single friend in The Jehovah’s witness church I’d like to do things and do things interesting There’s more to life than just It’s knocking on doors . I really love Jehovah And Jesus Christ I am now working on my anger issues And I have Successfully Almost overcome being tortured Jehovah witnessed government body Act like it’s a blessing to be put in jail and be tortured I am a person that has been tortured by the Virginia government And I’m telling you it’s not a blessing to be tortured It is a blessing to treat others with kindness And really care about one another on Earth In a way Jehovah God.And that’s what I’ll focus should be Own. What is the reasons Jacqueline do you think Jehovah’s witnesses get Abuse persecution so much Is it because we are in the truth Or is it another reason Why are we Jehovah’s witnesses so hated Is it because we’re following Jesus Christ Are is it because other reasons I’m a Jehovah’s witness There believes if you believe in Jehovah God and Jesus Christ Through the mediator Jesus Christ You couldn’t sleep at the last in life As you know Jacqueline you you know I believe the 1st fruit receive it 1st Which 144001st fruits I haven’t been to a kingdom hall study sup on YouTube Accept all YouTube Please forgive me Jacqueline my translate it doesn’t work right sometimes the words don’t come out right I don’t know if I’m being shunned Or would I’ve called to kingdom hall and they haven’t come by I want to appear in my life where I was not living by God’s word and I was getting political But now all that’s overwhelmed And And Done Did Jehovah witnesses Maybe I don’t even know Shun me I don’t even know they In a way the subject is due to how will witnesses get persecuted like in Russia and other countries and in Virginia For man Jehovah’s witnesses or for Other reasons Yes people in United States of America get persecuted Sometimes whatever religious beliefs or other reasons mixed with it. I was tortured 24 hours A-day for 2 weeks And basically all I said I was Jehovah’s witness and And build stores And they Tortured me in Virginia . My translator doesn’t always say the words I say it doesn’t work out right sometimes But in a way I was talking about persecution

      • jacqueline says:

        Kevin Hello, how are you. I haven’t talked to you in a long time but I have seen and read your comments on fojw site within the last year.
        I don’t find that Jehovah Witnesses are persecuted any more than Christians in general. Most of the separate persecution is because of induced persecution. That is witnesses will create a situation to bring attention to their religion or belief to receive persecution. Mainly because there is the belief that persecution proves the religion is right. But that is circular thinking.
        I really don’t deal with the Witness teaching anymore. I go directly to the Bible now and listen to other voices.

        The Witnesses and the Bible Student teaching are from one man who had ideas that don’t fit the Bible narrative accurately. Hopefully, they both can abandon his teachings and get into exactly what the Bible teaches. But if not Jehovah will make it clear for all humans before
        judgment what the truth is and individually they can make changes.
        Right now, without the influence of personal contact with the elders, dear Christians can go in the Bible in small groups and Jesus says he will be there with them. The Holy Spirit is the teacher and that is all that is needed along with listening to other Christians to understand Salvation.
        Kevin, I had to exhale, pray and go directly into the study of the Bible. Youtube ministers from all walks of life can help you. I have a lot that we personally listen to listed all over this site.
        Maybe you could forget denominations or having to belong to an organization, or the Witnesses. Go straight to God.
        There is no denomination or organization mentioned anywhere in scripture except the Jewish Nation. They are God’s timetable.
        The 144,000 according to the Bible are Jewish Males that maybe have not married and are taken out as first fruits. The governing body of Jehovah Witnesses are not being truthful by saying they are. It contradicts scripture.
        Jehovah’s Witnesses are not being persecuted any more than other religions in Russia. Even Muslims are receiving the wrath of Russia.
        Christians are being Behead for Christ all over the world. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not beheaded or persecuted for Christ. Most of their troubles come because of their doctrines and rebellion when asked to no knock on people’s doors when they tell them not too.
        Witnesses of Jesus spread the Good News in many ways.

        Door knocking is the BRAND NAME or only identity of the witnesses and if they let their brand name stop they are not known for anything else.

        Jehovah, Jesus Christ, and the Bible as the authority would keep their name alive. It isn’t good to be known for knocking on doors and distinct name of your buildings (kingdom halls) because now all of those things are closed down.

        I see this as an excellent opportunity for the witnesses to get to know Jesus and perhaps stop trying to take the place of the Jews, as they only are witnesses of Jehovah.
        We are saved by Christ and are witnesses of Jesus throughout the world.
        Hw only has saved us through His Blood and it is in His name that we have an approach to Jehovah.
        So Kevin try to believe in Jesus rather than thinking you have to be a part of an organization and be obedient to the men controlling it.
        We have to move on. The Organization of the witnesses was a journey and for the season we were there. We learned a lot and were deceived a lot. We were shunned, bullied by elders and Circuit-District overseers but it made us STRONG.
        You have enough knowledge now to move on and forget about what the organization is doing. It is just that Big money making business, a part of the system and it is falling now.
        Babylon the Great in Rev. 17 & 18 shows the fall of the entire system which includes religious organizations like the watchtower.
        But the people within is not what is falling, just the institution and the Christians within the organization and governing body can get FREE and run to JESUS.
        That will be a new concept to accept Jesus as the way to salvation for witnesses as they have been led to believe you have to be in an organization to be saved.
        That is not anywhere in the scriptures.
        So look over the site Kevin and go to some of the links and they will have scriptural supports so you can get to know Jehovah and Jesus as our only Saviours with the Holy Spirit there to indwell and help you understand.
        Take Care, Kevin. so sorry you are suffering so. Jacqueline

  3. Cyndi says:

    You can keep my comments up. I don’t mind at all. In fact, I think it’s important for others to see them. I don’t want to cause anyone any due duress or anything like that, but I also want people to understand where I’m coming from, instead of just remaining silent. I think remaining silent would just allow others to continue not addressing the very real issues I dealt with as a child. And that’s really not fair to me or to anyone who has gone through something similar.

    I wasn’t able able to read any of your comment, nor was I able to read what Ann wrote. It seems all my comments are gone, too.

    • jacqueline says:

      Cyndi, when I saw you had consideration about your mom seeing them I got concerned but since this next Copy and paste from our email conversation I see it doesn’t matter if others see what you have to say.

      Silence is what abusers want. And I am glad you are telling your story. The Bible students are identical to the witnesses and many ex witnesses will be saved precious time by seeing your. posts.

      I am posting our conversation so they can see that this is not really your Mom. You got a raw deal!

      Hi Jacqueline!

      Thank you for her info. I’ll email her. (if there ends up being any wonky spacing or what-have-you, it’s because my email client apparently thinks I shouldn’t double space after a sentence. It’s been drummed into my head from the moment I was 13 years old, learning how to type in my typing class! LOL)
      I don’t mind my posts being published. I have a lot to say, and with adult-diagnosed ADHD (had it as a kid, but whaddaya know, I was never treated for it), I tend to take awhile to get around to my point. More than anything, I just wanted to reach out to others who were hurt by the Bible Students in some way and feel like they don’t have much of a voice. I didn’t have a voice then, and waited over 20 years to finally say something.
      You know what’s really sad? I refer to my stepmom as my mom because she raised me. It wasn’t the best childhood experience – I was difficult, argumentative, and really, really clingy. I was told to believe that my biological mother abandoned me. But that is probably one of the worst lies ever told to me. I’ve already mentioned this, but my dad is a narcissistic, manipulative, truly horrible person. He was responsible for her leaving and he was responsible for her “giving me up” and letting him have me. I was just a pawn, really. My dad wanted nothing more to find himself a rich woman who would fund his horse racing habit. It took him four wives to find her. My biological mother was his second wife. She didn’t really have a whole lot and honestly, I don’t know why my dad married her, other than she was absolutely beautiful. She had her own hangups and issues (kept trying to find her version of love and I don’t know if she ever found it), and it wasn’t a great marriage. They were separated for much of my infancy through toddler years. She had full custody of me, while my dad had weekends sort of thing. The thing is, my mother didn’t abandon me. My dad terrified her so badly that she felt it was her only hope of escaping him. She came home to find him beating the absolute snot out of my oldest half brother Duane with a rubber shoe. My mom tried to intervene and he turned on her. I don’t know if he hit her, but she was so scared of him, she decided it was time for her to go. But, when she finally did leave, he told her she couldn’t take me and he somehow ended up causing her to lose custody of me. I used to think she didn’t fight for me very hard, but knowing what my dad is capable of, I don’t blame her at all. She really was terrified of him. He also told her that if she made any effort to contact me at all, he would see to it that she would lose custody of her two sons, too. So, of course she thought he could do it. He was that good at convincing and manipulating people. She left me with a monster, but I don’t blame her for it because she really didn’t have the resources to fight someone with a powerful lawyer friend and someone who could really put on an act.

      Anyway… what I was getting at (ADHD makes storytelling interesting, I guess!) was, I always thought my mother abandoned me. I felt abandoned, and was treated like I was. Like, my mom abandoned me and left me for another man in Minnesota. That’s what I was told. It made me feel so angry – she left me with a monster to go live a new life with a man and she never thought about me again. But, what’s so sad about this story is I was never formally adopted or anything by my stepmom. She made me call her “mom,” but she never did anything to take steps to formally adopt me. I don’t know if that’s something she could have done, but when her cousin introduced me to others as her “stepdaughter,” it really, REALLY hurt my feelings. It made me feel worthless, like I wasn’t good enough to be anyone’s daughter.
      I don’t speak to my dad. He’s married for a 5th time and lives not too far from me, but I have no desire to subject my daughter to him.

      Thanks again for Ann’s number and email. I’ll write to her soon.
      Cyndi 🙂

  4. jacqueline says:

    Brothers please go to Winston’s Channel! Some very back news!!!


    • Theodophilis says:

      The Watchtower is waging a war against Channels that criticize their unscriptural doctrine. They tried to take down Cedars Channel now they are attacking Winston by make false claims against Winston. Does anyone know how we can protest this with YouTube and help Winston? I follow Winston and know that he has never spoke against vaccines or health protocols. We don’t want his Channel to be taken down!!!!!

      • jacqueline says:

        Hi Theodophilis, I have not posted the trouble we have been having, simply because I didn’t want to give whomever this is the satisfaction of knowing that they caused us time and money to get our site back up and running.
        Youtube and Facebook are free, therefore they oversee or govern what you can and cannot do. That is why we pay for our sites so the content is not governed.
        These persons that attack our site and take it down can only do that and Godaddy goes after them!
        The way I combat this is with silence. Like the tortoise and the hare, we just keep on worshipping Yahovah, Jesus, and work in harmony with the Holy Spirit.That is how I protest by going deeper into the Bible and ignoring these people.
        We have been zoom boomed, had letters written to us, been asked to have meetings with the elders because we also observe and partake at Memorial. It seemed they thought they only should do this with their Eventbrite service. They take Daves site down regularly but we get it back up. There are other things that have been done that is suspect, but I won’t give them the satisfaction of hearing me tell about it.
        If we were doing something wrong Jesus would not be our protector. More light on scriptures seems to come after each attack. We get stronger in the word and just ignore them.
        Winston is probably suffering from stress. I was under so much as I tried to exit the Bible students that it and the stress of my family harsh shunning because in a meeting with Bethel they were told to do it, I had a stroke.
        So that is why I don’t fight with my family now or give any heed to this organization or it’s counterparts. It will kill you. He probably isn’t sleeping well. Some of his symptoms are mimicking “long haul Covid-19′.
        As far as the Channel takedown, which is a very effective channel, along with Lloyds channel.

        I say leave it alone and let them talk about what is happenning. This is visible evidence if the government start to crack down on violators of human rights and their freedom to worship with belonging to an organization.
        Publicity is publicity! There is no bad Publicity! Let them keep it up and as always get themselves in trouble when someone hits their bottom line with a lawsuit that will stick because they have evidence.
        So do nothing and let them bury themselves, that is my sggestion.

      • Lee Anthony says:

        We will be hated by ALL nations for his names sake. We will get there soon enough, as far as WT is concerned and youtube, we are all attacked in one way or another when we speak up for the WORD of truth against any who allow doctrines and commands of men to stand in place of Scripture. I never mention WT on my site, but I do speak on any religious groups as a whole making claims of authority over the body. My site is brute force attacked almost daily! For what? Who knows, I have to keep multiple security measures in place because of it. Some people are just bored and want to cause trouble it seems! If Winston could get himself his own page then he could control content, perhaps we can all come together and help him with this? Just a thought..

        • jacqueline says:

          Lee Anthony, I got an email from Dave suggesting to a certain degree the same thing, to try and help Winston.
          I never go the youtube or Facebook route because they control your content if a large organization complains about your experience with them. Also, Youtube is getting free content and I find it very helpful to me but to let an organization cause so much trouble is troubling to me.
          I would never put content on youtube because of this, although I am a big fan of its news coverage etc.
          Both this site and Dave have had Brute Force shutdowns in the last month.
          GoDaddy said one load that was eating up data appeared to be targeted at just this site and they found a way in on the BigBlueButton add-on that I couldn’t remove. So they forced it off and wanted to study to see who this was. They gave me a new site because it was embedded.
          As you stated Lee, we will be hated and persecuted by those that aren’t big on Jesus as the Savior but rather themselves or an organization.
          I have made a decision to keep away from persons that shun me and not try to have a relationship. It will send you to an early grave with their back and forth shunning.
          This also was foretold by Jesus and we respect every warning he gave us and humbly accept it as Yehovahs’ allowance so that a lesson can be learned.
          I find I am at peace when I have just stopped trying to have a relationship with anyone that wants to shun me.

  5. Theodophilis says:

    The Apostle Paul had to deal with many issues within the early Church. In his letter to the Brothers in Thessalonica Paul had to deal with an issue related to false prophets. Some in Thessalonica were teaching that Christ had already returned. In their zeal and impatience due to the extreme persecution they were facing they felt that the return of Christ invisibly indicated that Jesus would soon end their suffering and that his Kingdom would soon take away their problems. As a result many were refusing to work and carry on a responsible life. Since the Kingdom was so close. why work or plan ahead? Does this sound familiar? How did Paul address these issues? Notice!

    2Corinthinans 2
    2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[b] is revealed, the son of destruction,[c] 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    Paul made it clear that Christ had not yet returned! As for their idleness and lack of responsibility notice what he says in Chapter 3
    6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you. 9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. 11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. 12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
    Jesus himself warned us against false prophets.
    Matthew 24:. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather
    Yes Christ’s return will be unmistakably evident! It will not be invisible or known to only a select few!
    He warned us: 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.
    Any organization that set themselves as mediators between man and Christ, taking the place of Christ in our salvation, should be avoided! Many Christian organizations have does this exact thing. They have put a man or group of men as mediators between us and God. Yet the Bible makes clear that our only mediator, our only way of salvation is through Jesus Christ! It is not the Pope, Charles Russell, The Governing Body of the Watchtower, or any one else! We have Christ as our mediator, King and savior. We have the Holy Sprit as our guide and teacher to help us know the word of God. We have the Father whose grace grants us forgiveness and provides us with all we need.
    Christ did not return in 1874, or 1914! He has been invisibly present with us since his resurrection into heaven. Matthew 28:19 and 20
    19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[b] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

  6. JW Suicides says:

    Hello, Jacqueline,
    I think I have been on here before and written. Apologies, but I have severe memory problems and huge holes appear that I can’t access, or things are jumbled…on the plus side, it provides entertainment for people who know me when I do yet another dumb thing.
    You’ve been at this a while. I hope you feel positive with what has developed during those years. I know there’s a way to go and people are still hurting badly and enduring abuse. What a difference now that people can connect up with others being shunned or d7efamed by Watchtower. I saw the stark loneliness of my ex when d’fed before internet days. Crushing isolation.


    • jacqueline says:

      Hi, I can’t remember where we first met but I know the title JW Suicides! I have had a stroke since then and sometimes can’t place where I know someone from. Hey, what you gon do, old age.

      I am satisfied with the way things have panned out. Persons wanting to be free have lots of friends and places to go now and talk. It wasn’t like that in 1966 when my mother encouraged me to find my own religion although she was still a witness and dozens more in our family.
      I moved up north away from the South, stayed, got married, raised children, married them off etc.
      I frankly never knew about the shunning as my mom and father were DF and no one shunned them down South in Alabama. The watchtower was segregated then and never impacted my life.

      We had a very kind one-man Company servant and, he was nice. My childhood as a Jehovah’s Witness was the best a child could have! We had friends both within and outside of our communities.
      You played with the kids in the neighborhood, not just witnesses and you were a part of making the community work. My brother and I even went to Summer Bible School in the Church.

      There was not the interference and cultlike flavor to the religion that we have now, until the Governing body and Elder arrangement came in. Raymond Franz instituted it but soon recanted that it was horrible.
      I never accepted all of Russell’s doctrines because my father and grandfather considered it a “white man’s religion” because it had so few black persons then and they basically left us alone.
      This elder arrangement was nothing short of a “gang” of enforcers and little men given power over the congregations.
      I saw it degrade after 1968 by bringing in all sorts of people to “be alive in 75”, the predicted end of the world.
      Pedophiles in the jail system studied with them and on TV they showed them being baptized.
      The Wardens allegedly told them that the only ones studying with them were pedophiles but they didn’t listen.

      The “gang” of Gestapo elders enforced a system where the women were one step above a dog and that put their children at risk.
      Whenever you tie the hands of the females her children are at risk. So satan orchestrated this.
      I began fighting the pedophile issues in the 1970s but later learned it was systemic!

      Now with so much news coverage and help and support from God, parents are now aware that this is a sexual paradise for abuse and can protect their children and speak out without fear.
      Now since we have so much help out there on the internet Our main focus here is to “Get all the Air out of the Glass” by filling it up with what God and Jesus are revealing to so many dear Christians all over the internet.
      They no longer have as you said crushing isolation.

      Tell us your story here, if you please we have thousands reading.
      BTW, I need to look at my emails and see if you are the one wanting the phonograph. If so we can exchange stuff and go direct. I have the photos on my phone. I sent them to my son.

      I know this is long but others like to read. I know when I was isolated from my family I loved reading my brothers’ journey. I didn’t feel so lost, it was a connection.
      Take Care, Jacqueline

  7. Ted R says:

    I have recently began some online courses offered through Dallas Theological Seminary. Currently I am in Revelation. I find this extremely enlightening and would highly recommend them. Each video series is broken down into relatively short studies.
    Here is the link: https://courses.dts.edu

    • jacqueline says:

      Thanks, I took learn the Bible in 24 hrs with Chuck Missler an the Torah verse by verse by Torah Class. Took me a year to finish most of it. Only now am i finishing the minor prophets. I will go through this also.
      Verse by verse instead of topic is better because the topic of the Bible is Jesus redemption.

      You can tear out pages from the Bible and still understand His Plan. There are no baptism doctrine chapter nor any doctrinal chapters topic study is indoctrination.

  8. Jacqueline says:

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  9. Ted R says:

    Our dear brother Eric Wilson provides another source for meeting and association. I love the comments he makes in this video. It fits very well the purpose of our Forum

    • jacqueline says:

      Acts 8:26-40 Phillip was sent to talk to one man an Ethiopian, who said how can I understand without someone to help me?
      Thank you so much for these posts that you are supplying. We are talking about them and passing it on. I often don’t respond because I want everybody to see your links easily. I will collapse this reply to you after I am sure you have read it so your comment is on top. This is just wonderful to have another great study. Did you notice he has a direct link in the black section on this site also to his you tube channel? I have had it up for quite a while and he is doing such a great job. He works hard and it is so nice to be able to have more study groups on different nights and times. especially during this pandemic.

  10. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Another example of how the Organization speaks out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to shunning family! Watch this 6 minute video! Get it straight from their own two sided lips!

  11. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Jacqueline
    My heart goes out to those who have lost love ones or suffered at the hands of an organizations extreme policies of shunning, blood transfusions, handling of pedophiles, and the way rape is handled. The Watchtower has created more atheists and agnostics than any other religion that I am aware of per capita! The suicide rate is totally unacceptable! I have witnessed two young brothers that I watched grow up commit suicide. I have seen many young ones leave God entirely because of the shunning doctrine. Rather than helping these ones overcome their issues, they are fed to the wolves without any support! I have seen some of my friends die because of the blood issue. The policy that if a sister is raped but does not scream can be disfellowshipped is a gross misapplication of Scripture.
    The many false doctrines are certainly concerning, but I feel a person has a right to their beliefs. Only God can judge. But when those beliefs result in blood guilt on the part of the religious leaders then those beliefs and practices should be exposed!
    At the same time when members of the ex-JW community twist things, take things out of context, or slander the organization all they are doing is proving the organization right when it comes to what they term as apostate! It also bothers me that the ex-JW community seems to accept the Apostate label. That is up to them, but I personally refuse to accept that label. I am a Christian! I follow what the Holy Spirit reveals to me from the Bible. The only apostates I see are those religious leaders who subvert Gods Word and follow a different Gospel.
    I love dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ whose YouTube channels expose the false doctrines of the organization using the Scriptures. Our dear Brother Eric Wilson, Brother and Sister Aspinal, Winston from Watchtower Examination, and others who firmly believe in the Word of God! That is why I love this format that you, through the direction of Holy Spirit provide for us!
    I pray that those who have their eyes opened can find these support mechanisms! Turn their minds to serving our Lord Jesus and find help dealing with the attrocities they have endured. My heart goes out to them! My posts are geared to helping these lost sheep find the fine Shepherd, our Lord Jesus!

    • jacqueline says:

      TedR you are so right, the pen is mightier than the sword.
      I agree Christian is what we should call ourselves.
      I don’t refer to myself as an ex Jehovah Witness either. I never joined a corporation.
      I was recently drilled by a lawyer on where I actually go to worship. He had a difficult problem at first with what would be called the “Un-Churched”, no building. The internet friends are way ahead of the world at large. All religions have been Unchurched because of Covid-19. Proving that the Church are people not a building. We have over 15,000 viewers.
      Henry will present a short documentary on this now recognized “Small groups, No Building” on Saturday.
      Wow, you have seen a lot of some of the after effects of shunning and following doctrines like no blood made up by men’s interpretation.
      So glad to see Eric and others speak out. I met most of them years ago on the other site.
      The watchtower often “exposed” the teachings of other Christian Religions in their publications. They called it their duty and right. They lied on these religions. I was deprived of hearing about Christ.
      So they set the bar for exposure.
      Are they able to take what they have dished out over a Century?
      No! They label it persecution and apostasy when people tell the truth about them.
      They lash out in a Campaign of hatred by destroying families and causing much bloodshed.
      Russia, a country without God really had legitimate reason to put pressure on them to stop trying to make people accept their religion as the only thought or lose their families.
      The internet and websites have been a blessing for harmed Christians.
      In the free world the watchtower society might just be the biggest persecutors of Christians.

      Your thoughts on here are among the top 5 pages accessed daily. So keep using the pen to tell out what the Holy Spirit of Jehovah teaches you to say. It will burn inside of you if you dont tell what it puts in your mouth.

      We have Br Rice from the Bible students attend often on our Thursday night Studies and his great insight adds another dimension. It also shows Christian’s can meet without the name barriers just straight Bible.
      There is Freedom an Liberty in Christ. Thanks for all you do TedR.

  12. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Jacqueline
    I understand. Forgiveness does not mean you have to allow yourself to be abused and sometimes we have to take legal measures to prevent further abuse. I see many ex-Watchtower members angry to the point of slander, even retaliation as in some of the Kingdom Hall arson’s and bombings. They resort to extreme name calling. Many of these, unfortunately have allowed their experience to reject the Bible and it’s standards. They feel that if the Watchtower doesn’t have the truth then no one does, becoming atheists or agnostic. Forgiveness, however does not hold a grudge . We don’t allow the wrong or wrongdoer to eat at us, rather we place the situation in the hands of the great Judge. We wouldn’t try to get even or return evil for evil. If a person is repentant then we would not want to keep up bringing our the wrong done to us. That doesn’t mean we have to have a friendship with the wrongdoer.
    Our Father freely forgives those who are repentant. He no longer holds those wrongs against us. Otherwise none of us would be saved. Jesus told us to forgive our brother “up to seventy seven times”. In the case of the organization or any religious movement, as long as you are speaking truth and helping others not to fall into the trap of obvious false doctrine and extreme control, You are following Christ’s example. Jesus openly condemned the religious leaders of his day! You have been a fine example in doing this. But when we speak falsehood or reject clear Bible truth then we place ourselves in great danger. We are no better than those trying to enforce their beliefs on us. I see too much of this in the ex-JW community!
    As I said, you have a right to protect yourself. I think you have handled your situation in a just manner. Keep up the fine work you are doing for the Lord.

    • jacqueline says:

      TedR, thanks. The MYSTERY IS SOLVED! I was informed why the elders had a big meeting and one came to my home after 20 years of never setting foot in the kingdom hall.

      I got calls that told me what the problem is.
      On Memorial 2020 I opened the zoom up hours early so people could make sure they could get on and many came on. some stayed but many clicked back out and came back in. I never said anything just observed.

      Well, it turned out the Watchtower organization had paid advertisement for number one spot and hosted their international Memorial as well as local kingdom halls on local zooms.

      Well, the name of our Memorial, and the actual words of the Watchtower was the same! I was informed by Dave to put up ours in late January and thought up the wording and he approved it. I didn’t copy off the watchtower. I never go to their site for any reason.
      But because the words were identical Google put us number 2 spot right under them and that is how persons got confused. As you know we had 33 or more people on, many thought we were witnesses and we were on for 3 hours after the Memorial was over.

      This was no doubt reported from a sister in Atlanta Ga. that used to live in my kingdom hall territory. She figured out it was our site.
      The elders here convened and that is why the elder said “I decided to get up (from their meeting) and come over here and ask you if you were disfellowshipped. He said he told them, no, but this sister was insisting.

      His main point was to stop all persons from talking to me even family and I have found out this week they have gone to my family all over the United States, even having an internet meeting with some from New York about me.

      So this incident just made me wonder if some of the others that have had experiences with them were being harassed.
      Those angry have had their families and little children taken from them and had family committed suicide so I pray for them.
      I heard some of the details of the rapes, etc and I have not walked a mile in their shoes.

      Hopefully, these ones you speak of will have peace of God eventuallyI.f you leave you will be persecuted as Jesus said.
      Barbara Anderson sent me the little saying yesterday that I posted to show we as humans feel their pain.
      So glad you posted and I posted back because I got the Mystery solved and the actual name of the woman from Atlanta that called. She also called individuals in my neighborhood.
      So thanks to your post, I can put their increased activity after 20 years to rest. The Memorial listing on Google caused it.

      BTW on Saturday, we have something that perhaps talks directly about meetings like ours and websites. Henry will present it. We found it on a talk on the web about what is called”The Unchurched”, small groups that don’t go to a building but have been on the internet for years and studying the Bible. Take Care

  13. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    When a person leaves an organization like the Watchtower often they angry. Perhaps they feel they were dealt an injustice. They may feel lied to. Notice what James has to say in this regard:
    James 5:7 Be patient, then, brothers and sisters, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop, patiently waiting for the autumn and spring rains. 8 You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near. 9 Don’t grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!
    James 1:19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.
    I so often see back biting and arguments taking place among those claiming to be Christian. Due to our human pride we have a tendency to feel that our view is right and others are wrong. This is especially true with organizations like the Watchtower, Mormons, Christedelphians and others. This has gone to the extreme of shunning or condemning someone to second death and cutting off association with that person. The result is hard feelings and divisions. But as Christians, followers of Christ, shouldn’t we look to his example.
    Jesus, scourged, beaten, and nailed to the Cross by the very people he was sent to save showed no bitterness. He asked his Father to forgive them! Notice what Peter has to say regarding this:
    1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
    22 “He committed no sin,
    and no deceit was found in his mouth.”
    23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 25 For “you were like sheep going astray,” but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
    We also have the example of Joseph. Betrayed and sent into slavery by his own brothers, yet he showed no animosity. He was willing to forgive!
    Shouldn’t we be willing to forgive those who may bring injustice against us, especially if they claim to be fellow followers of Christ?
    Christ felt sorrow for his persecutors. So too, we should feel sorrow for those who in the name of Christ persecute their fellow Christians for simply not sharing the same understanding of Scripture. Should we not be willing to forgive those who we feel hurt us in some way? I remember an illustration given once in a Public Talk by a Circuit Overseer. A man once killed his neighbors cat. He was sorry and asked forgiveness. The man who’s cat was killed forgave that man. Yet any time he had a visitor he would keep bringing up how his neighbor killed his cat. In effect, he kept digging up his cat. What about us? If we are wronged by someone, do we keep digging up our cat? Do we forgive?
    Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
    The following video presented by a former Watchtower member can help us place these things in proper perspective.


    • jacqueline says:

      Like, Coronavirus measures have to be put in place to stop the spread of it or it will get out of control and overstep every boundary. Some Religions are like this they won’t stop.
      Hi TedR, and this is sound advice if only for our mental security. But let me share the flip side of this experience.
      I recently got a visit from a local congregation that I haven’t attended in over 20 years.
      This is just 2 weeks ago in Covid-19 environ and I have him on ring doorbell because we spoke through the open window on my porch. His entire conversation was to see if I was disfellowshipped. 4 times he addressed it although there is a restraining order in place for elders or anyone representing the governing body to not harass me in any way. I won this order in court because of admission and confession by an elder.
      Because I have had a stroke and his badgering me was excessive to the point 2 neighbors listened, I told a male family friend.
      He called the elder and advised him that there is a restraining order in place to restrain this behavior and asked that he nor any circuit overseers or elders not enter the property again or it would have to be reported to the courts.
      So there are circumstances where it is not a matter of ones that have chosen to leave voluntarily not being forgiving, but the organization leadership is harassing them.

      The religions like the ones you mention tend to not get the point that a person has left fellowship with them voluntarily.
      They prefer that they be the ones to perform this disfellowshipping, not the individual disfellowship or remove themselves from fellowship with them.

      In a case like this, a person might have to take action if they feel threatened or their family is being threatened with disfellowshipping or told not to fellowship with them because they have chosen to leave these types of religions.

      Sometimes 20 years of ignoring them aren’t enough. Organizations must see that there are consequences for violating the civil rights of former members.
      Most that have left these types of religions are over them but the nature of the framework of high control groups is not to let you leave unless they give you permission.

      So to sum it up, most of the time it is the organization or association as some like to call themselves that won’t back off but feel that if you leave without their permission you will be harassed.

      Not disagreeing just presenting the challenges that people experience when they try to leave high control hierarchy religions. The blame usually is with them not the former members. And there are platforms that allow these members to express their concerns and get help and support in how to get on with their lives and families without interference from vindictive religious bodies or elders.

      Sometimes these groups will see a disfellowshipped person (whether they did it or the former member)and they will whisper to others or give looks and take stances of arrogance against them in public places. Some report this.

      I agree to just ignore it as persecution of Christians that Jesus said would happen if they chose him instead of worshipping men and institutions. Not to vary their movements just have a pleasant countenance and move on.

      It can indeed be difficult but your link will help them to endure this. Prayer when in these circumstances helps a lot.

      With no direct oversite many are attempting to leave but there are tough times ahead and they are new at this and we have to let them vent or they will not move on. They need our support that they can tell their story without thinking they are complaining.

      These are unprecedented and difficult times indeed and each story is different. Each mile walked is different for each person. Make the God of Peace prevail.

  14. jacqueline says:

    I will get that email to you, Lee.

  15. jacqueline says:

    The Mormons have canceled all of their public meetings worldwide.

    My sister in Alabama wasn’t able to call into three kingdom halls because the call-in was filled up.
    Grandchildren’s entire school district closed for the next few weeks.
    This will be a good time for families to ban together and show love.

    Our family is encouraging the older members and encouraging them to stay inside. My children got me on lockdown.

  16. Lee Anthony says:

    Memorial this year (Notes on the timing) And Date setting?. Kidding….

    The Jewish calendar in use today is termed “modern” to distinguish it from the “ancient” calendar, which goes back to early Old Testament times. But the “modern” Jewish calendar was already in use in early centuries of the Christian era. Originally the rules governing its calculation were kept secret to maintain the dependency of scattered tribes upon the ruling hierarchy. But in 359 A.D. the rules were finally published by Rabbi Hillel II and made available to all Jews in the dispersion. This made it possible for the calendar to be calculated centuries in advance, and it eliminated all confusion regarding occurrences of the holy days.

    This is precisely why we believe it is still useful for Christians today to base the calculation of the Memorial date upon the Jewish calendar. It comes closest to approximating the ancient Jewish custom. Its use is certainly advantageous in arriving at a uniform date and eliminates the need for independent calculations. And it is universally available. But all this leads to one important question: Is it proper for us as Christians to accept Jewish authority and the Jewish calendar in fixing our Memorial dates?

    In seeking guidance in any matter, it is always well to look to the example and teaching of our Lord. In this instance, we believe his words and actions provide a direct answer to our query. Jesus made it quite clear that he was willing to accept the interpretations of those who sat in Moses’ seat when such did not conflict with truth or principle. Of the scribes and Pharisees he specifically said, “Whatsoever therefore they bid you observe, that observe and do” (Matthew 23:2,3). His followers were not, however, to follow their example in hypocrisy and religious show.

    The arrangements and adjustments of the Jewish calendar, particularly as they governed the religious festivities of the people, properly fell under the jurisdiction of these leaders. Jesus was quite content to accept their rulings on such matters. Hence it would seem reasonable that an acceptance of the dates produced by the Jewish calendar for the Passover-Memorial service in our day would be expressing an attitude similar to that of our Lord: not one of subservience, but of recognition of the convenience and utility of the arrangement, all under the providences of our God.

    According to Jewish calendar Nisan 14 will be the eve of Tuesday the 7th in April for us and this is agreed on by dawn Bible and I think JW’s too. So we can all agree I guess on something’s.

    Nisan 13 is our calendar day on which the Memorial is held, but At 6:00 p.m. on this calendar day Nisan 14 begins, and shortly after our Memorial service should take place.


  17. Lee Anthony says:

    I checked podcast page today and the play arrow is a line instead of an arrow and now wont play, it didnt look that way yesterday. Not sure whats wrong..?

    • jacqueline says:

      Oh wow, I just saw your comment, sorry to answer so late. Paperwork has taken me under. I will check and see.
      I see what you mean. Maybe post it like the others. They still play just fine.

      Perhaps you can take it down and put it up again. Let me know if it works.

  18. jacqueline says:

    I am not going to say anything as a preface for this link. If you click on it and realize why, fine. If you click on it and say why did she post this? Then it isn’t meant for you.
    This post has answered so many questions for me and explained my latest actions just 9 days ago. I felt a little bad about my decision but this young lady helps me to see I was right and shouldn’t feel guilty.

    • Lee Anthony says:

      That was a very good story, Perfect for the site. Wanted to see if you had thought of some questions on interview? I am planning and putting notes together for added info for my story but wanting to have that be a later episode(s).

      • jacqueline says:

        Lee Anthony, I am so glad you didn’t do mine already. Since all the stories are basically the same on the websites, youtube, etc. I might want to after a brief intro of who I am, going into how I got the nerve to leave, the journeys I took and how I have somehow healed enough to not care what relatives or still in witness friends think. It seems from my moving around the web, so many are having a hard time moving on from Spiritually abusive religions and organizations.
        I want to give strategies for moving on, not wallowing in the mire of the abuse. The brain is funny, every time we rehash negative things that have happened to us, it makes a deeper path in our brain and sometimes new tracks.
        I am not immune.
        Because I was almost the victim of violent rape by an elder alleged to have confessed his intentions to CO and elders and caused me to go to court and get a restraining order against the organization in 50 states for its involvement of not removing him and allegedly encouraging him to pursue me so I would be discredited at a victim’s upcoming trial. I can write this but to mention all the negative in actual sound would probably do me in with a setback. So they can read this but I can’t talk about it audibly.
        So I will let you ask me questions like anyone interviewing. If I just talk I will say too much.lol. So set it up, I will show up and answer questions.
        PS: I have not gotten over what I learned in the link. I know all players and really my last meeting ever was because of 2 of the people in her story in 2018 at the general convention, they did a conversation ambush.

  19. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Are you still part of the Jehovah’s Witness organization? If so, notice the following video!
    What is really wrong with Jehovah’s Witnesses?

    Jesus said “I am the WAY the Truth and the life, no one goes to the Father except through ME”!
    Go to your Kingdom Hall and start talking about Jesus instead of Jehovah, notice the reaction! Don’t be surprised if you are invited into the library for a meeting with the elders! Only JESUS is the head of the congregation following HIM, the greater Noah, allows us to enter the Ark of Salvation which gives us SALVATION!

    • jacqueline says:

      Ted, I went to the link and it is our dear friend so I am looking at this. I need to make it a widget at the bottom.
      I said to some witnesses that Jesus will come soon and help all of us when talking about world issues a little child said; “Jesus?” Who is Jesus? You mean Jehovah not Jesus. I do believe the child knew who Jesus was but this was a reflection of what this child hears at the kingdom hall and out in field service.
      Without Jesus, we would be lost.
      We told some years ago that even if we could prove the organization was wrong by scripture, we must teach the wrong doctrine until the organization changes it.
      That is when I began to make my exit mentally and emotionally after I discussed this statement with the watchtower conductor.
      The first step I took was to get rid of all of the books and magazines including their Bible. Now I have gone back even further and gotten rid of the Studies In The Scriptures and all charts, booklets, and everything.

      Psalm 26:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
      4 I do not sit with the deceitful,
      nor do I associate with hypocrites.
      5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers
      and refuse to sit with the wicked.
      Only after doing this was I able to break free completely. Thanks for this link.

    • jacqueline says:

      TED R, I listened to Eric’s other broadcast and there is a TV station interview on there also, very interesting.

  20. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Another video regarding Christmas. He very effectively debunks the arguments against Christmas as being pagan! He goes into more detail on the various pagan influences in our culture today. Very interesting and makes total sense.


  21. jacqueline says:

    Everyone we have modified slightly the Mission statement. It should probably be reread.
    Lee Anthony, I like your disclaimer the other day in your comment.
    We are not starting a religious organization, we are just lovers of Jehovah God and Christ discussing the Bible with the technology that They have allowed to make this possible, mainly the internet.
    I consider this a blessing. Some have indicated the site should be more than Christians discussing the Bible and branching out to the social needs of the many who have lost family and friends due to shunning or because they obeyed their leaders and never prepared for their future retirement etc.

    This would be something for others to do if they feel so called by God to do it, it is noble.
    This site however is simple, we express what we see the Bible as saying.
    This is a great freedom that allows us to recover from not being able to use the internet to get others opinions on scripture.

    There are some great men of God out there feeding His sheep on the internet and now we know we don’t get confused from hearing what they have to say.

    Just listening to the voice of one religious body holds you captive to their concepts, their indoctrinations, rules , assumptions and doctrines made up by men.

    Some of their doctrines even are in line with the Bible but we have freedom now to listen to others without fear of reprimand or being encouraged NOT to do so.

    The statement seems to explain what the site is about and those coming on should read it so they understand the commenters and readers on here.
    They are welcome.
    We shouldn’t be discouraged from learning as much as God allows. We aren’t dumb as we were led to believe, unable to listen at the doors to others or now on the internet without getting all confused.

    We do have a brain and the Holy Spirit can work with us if we try to learn about our God and His Son.

  22. Bro. Dave says:


    To me, one of the most wonderful parts of our less structured study group is that we are not constrained by nor obligated to a formal structure requiring us to cover \”X\” amount of material each meeting, or, complete a study of a topic within one meeting.

    To wit, tonight, we detoured from our study, right-smack-dab in the middle of Revelation 20:4, to study and discuss some topics-of-opportunity brought up by members of our study.

    Our meeting opened with some study group business, THEN,

    We re-investigated the \”angel\” in Rev_20:1
    the angel
    Compare to Luk_8:28-31
    Heb_1:1-14 – deals with Jesus\’ status (above all the angels).
    Michael the archangel – an entity to himself or Jesus under another name?
    After the resurrection, Jesus is referred to by other names.
    Is Jesus an \”angel\”, as only begotten Son\”?
    Lord G2962
    archangel, G743
    Lord G2962
    Jesus is recorded dealing with Satan in the wilderness without the help of angels.
    Why would Jesus tell Himself to \”rebuke him\”.
    Can there be more than one archangel?
    Heb_1:1-14 – deals with Jesus\’ status.
    Would Jesus need angels to help him fight Satan?

    From Roman Catholic beliefs: prayers to Jesus, will be heard by YHWH and Jesus will take the prayer to YHWH.
    Roman Catholics also pray to Mary and Saints, who will petition the prayers to Jesus, who will then take the prayers to YHWH.

    We will begin with the question of Scriptural use of the term \”tormenting\” G928 G931

  23. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    I am currently researching the History of Christianity and the lost Bible books. Attached is the General Epistle of Barnabas. The Book is consider by most and some early Church Fathers felt it should be added to the Canon. Here is a link to that Epistle:
    I am also attaching a link to a website where many more of the Apocrypha and early Church letters can be found:

  24. Tina Steitzer says:

    Dear Jacqueline,
    Regarding my thoughts on rev5:10;
    Here are a few thoughts to reason on.
    Revelation 5:10 and “EPI”: “On” or “Over”?

    According to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Revelation 5:10 reads:

    “and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule over[Gk ‘epi’]the Earth.”

    Surprisingly, we have come across a website that calls the New World Translation’s rendering of the Greek word ‘epi’ by “over” as a “mistranslation”, even calling upon their readers to check that this is so with regard to other translations and Greek Lexicons, though none are cited to justify this criticism!

    Following is an e-mail we sent in this matter to the owner of that website:

    “Dear Sir,

    We were interested to see that you call the New World Translation’s rendering of ‘epi’ as “over” at Revelation 5:10 as a “mistranslation”. Our question is why?

    The following translations also translate “epi” here as over:

    The New Testament in the Language of the People–C.B.Williams
    The New Testament in Modern Speech–Weymouth
    The Holy Scriptures, A New Translation from the Original Languages–Darby
    The Complete Bible in Modern English–Fenton
    The Holy Bible,A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals–Knox
    The Modern Language Bible-New Berkeley Version
    The Bible, An American Translation–Goodspeed.
    The Amplified Bible
    The Unvarnished New Testament–Gaus.
    Holy Bible, An American Translation– W.F.Beck.
    Compare also Marshall’s Interlinear which says under the word ‘epi’ at Rev.5:10 – “on(?over)”
    See also these well known Greek-English Lexicons:

    A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Arndt and Gingrich(p.286)– b.fig.-a.over of power,authority,control of or over someone or someth…….Rv 5:10. and
    The New Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament(p.231)–A.with the GENITIVE…. d.fig.used of things,affairs persons,which one is set over,over which he exercises power…..Rev.[5].10.
    Can you still call the New World Translation’s rendering here, in all fairness, a “mistranslation”? Are you not being guilty of misleading some of your readers who will not bother to check up your statements for themselves and just accept what you have alleged? Are we to expect that this ‘example’ of a “mistranslation” by the New World Translation will now be removed from your web pages?

    Cordially Yours ……………………..

    As yet we have had no answer and the said criticism still appears on the site.

    When “epi” is used with a verb denoting authority/rulership then “epi” indicates the compass of that authority/rulership. If a search is made of the Greek N.T. where “basileuw[to reign as a king]epi” occurs(as it does in Revelation 5:10)you will be able to see that in every case “epi” means “over”, eg., Luke 1:33; Acts7:18.

    Interestingly, Micah 4:7LXX contains the same verb “to reign as a king” with the prepositions “epi” and “en” and is translated by Brenton as “and the Lord shall reign over[basileuw epi] them in[en] mount Zion.”

    Two commentaries that support the rendering of EPI as “over.”

    1) Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible of Jamieson, Fausset and Brown:

    “…KELLY translates, “reign over the earth” (Greek, “epi tees gees”), which is justified by the Greek (Septuagint, Judges 9:8, Matthew 2:22). The elders, though ruling over the earth, shall not necessarily (according to this passage) remain on the earth….”

    Note here that translating EPI at Revelation 5:10 as “over” is “justified by the Greek.”

    2) John Wesley’s Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible comments on Revelation 5:10.

    “And hast made them – The redeemed. So they speak of themselves also in the third person, out of deep self – abasement. They shall reign over the earth – The new earth: herewith agree the golden crowns of the elders. The reign of the saints in general follows, under the trumpet of the seventh angel; particularly after the first resurrection, as also in eternity, Revelation 1:18; 15:7; 20:4; 22:5; Dan 7:27; Psa 49:14.”

    Notice “They shall reign over the earth”?

    Two recent Bible translations also have “over” for “epi” here at Revelation 5:10.They being the Complete Jewish Bible by David H. Stern(1998) and The Message, The Bible in Contemporary Language (2002)by Eugene H. Peterson. Also, we note that The New Testament, Recovery Version(Revised edition, 1991, Living Stream Ministry)though it has “on the earth” has a footnote that says “Or, over.”

    One might point to Rev.5:3 and 5.13 where the same Greek words, namely, EPI THS GHS, literally, “on the earth,” occur and so this points to the same meaning for EPI in 5.10. However in both these scriptures BASILENW, “to reign,” is absent and also in both there are clear expressions that indicate that location is here meant for in both v.3 and v.13 there is “But neither(v.3)/And every creature(v.13) in heaven ….nor underneath the earth…” which expressions are absent from v.10 where EPI THS GHS occur. It would be poor exegesis then to simply point out that in verses 3 and 13 of the same chapter that EPI THS GHS occurs and yet place this truth over the more applicable truths as given above. Also, just because GHS, “earth” can refer to a place as well as a group of people(here in Revelation 5.10 to the ‘earthly society of humans’ whom these kings and priests will rule “over)does not mean that the meaning of “earth” here is ambiguous. The point of vv.9, 10 is not where these “kings” will rule but whom over they will for these “kings” are those who have been “bought…for God” and from “every tribe and tongue and people and nation” and these kings will rule “over” these or the remnants of these. The same thought is given in Revelation 2.26 where we can read “To everyone[Gk; AUTW lit. “him”)that conquers and continues to do my work to the end, I will give authority over[Gk; EPI] the nations.”-New Revised Standard Version.

    Clearly then, those translations that translate EPI as “over” at Revelation 5.10 are the more accurate in conveying the meaning of the original.

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi Tina and thank you for your comment. I don’t have a New World Translation anymore the silver bullet’s writing is too small for me, can’t see it. So thank you for bringing out the info that you conversed with the other website. I hope you and they can talk and get it straightened out.

      I myself never quiver over a single word as often in Hebrew it can mean a couple of things like our English words can and the tone used also’
      But you were very thorough and it gives a lot of insight.

      President Trump rules over the United States even when He is visiting another country and even if he got on the space shuttle and went to visit the moon. He has authority over the United States, but also he actually lived on US soil, so the word doesn’t really, in my opinion, change the thought of the authority. In this case, to me, one word doesn’t have that much impact.

      I see the scriptures teach that Jesus will be given the throne of David (luke 1:32).

      He will sit on the throne of David and rule: Isa 9:7 Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.

      The twelve apostles will sit on (12) thrones, during his reign. Matt. 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
      John 14 chapter and 17 chapter seems to indicate that the Church will eventually end up in heaven as I see it.

      I just understand that during the 1,000-year reign He will Indeed Come Again as he said to rule from heaven and not come AGAIN as he came before would be an untruth.

      The Jewish nation will accept him as Messiah and the entire world will visibly and physically SEE him. Not with the eyes of discernment, not in 1874 or 1914 invisibly, but every eye will see him. Rev. 1:7.

      In fact, Revelation shows him actually riding on a White horse with the heavenly host and his raised and changed ones to the EARTH and he speaks with the sword of his mouth.

      I don’t mean to debate the doctrine of 144,0000 special ones believing they will sit on 144,000 thrones in heaven but simply what the Bible says as I see it.
      We did discuss this on Thursday night and Dave posted it. Also, Lee Anthony put more scriptural text. There isn’t any more I can say about it.

      But I would like to hear maybe instead of a word, other scriptures that say Jesus will rule during the thousand years from heaven with the 144,000. I was formally taught this by reasoning and using the 24 elders as representing 144,000 but I have never seen any scriptures that actually say this, only the doctrine taught from long ago. Maybe you could point us to the exact scriptures of rulership being in the heavens.

      I will wait for your reply now and again thanks for commenting.
      Take Care Tina

      PS. I don’t have a problem with the New World Translation, I never read it but I do use many translations to get the correct sense. We don’t have the original.

  25. Lee Anthony says:

    “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

    Behold, he comes with the clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they which have pierced him, and all the tribes of the land shall wail because of him. Yea. Amen.

    “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! With the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One.

    So also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation.”

    Acts 1:11 the phrase, “in the same manner” when translated from the original language literally means “the same way.” Secondly, Scripture does not say that every eye will see Him at the same time. Even so, for any organization to say that Jesus could not appear to everyone at the same time, they are limiting YHVH and using human reasoning. After all even man has the technology to beam TV broadcasts instantaneously and simultaneously all around the globe with satellites for all to see. YHVH’s ability is much, much greater than this or than we can even imagine. (2Chronicles 2:6, 1Corinthians 2:9)

    When using God’s Word the Bible, the weight of the greater number of available evidence clearly says that Jesus’ return is visible, it’s audible and it will be literal! There are hundreds of prophecies regarding Jesus that have been fulfilled, and they have been fulfilled literally. In Mark 13:26

    He was hidden by a cloud, that is true but the angel said they would see him return just as he left, he went up into the clouds and according to revelation and also Jesus own words he would be seen coming with the clouds. It wasn’t about him being hidden but about his going and coming the angel mentioned to the apostles. If all the scriptures in Daniel, Matt, Luke; Rev, are taken as they are without adding too or taking away from the original thought then we have some very clear and plain explanation of it.

  26. Lee Anthony says:

    We have no religious creed or set of rules that we have to convince others to adhere to. We do agree on only on the things that the Bible without a doubt says, such as there will be a resurrection of the dead. I don’t think any of us are Sadducces though if any are out there they are free to share as well. All are free to take information posted from the many sources and to make their own decisions on a matter. God will ultimately lead us to a conclusive end if the spirit moves us.
    I remember when we studied this idea of kings and priests and the ruler ship. It wasn’t exactly this that we went over but similar. One thought is that the older manuscripts that are most often used say kings and priests while the other says kingdom of priests. The thought is a bit different, but the wording don’t really change the intent. There will be a kingdom and Jesus will be its king. If we are priests or kings and priests or just a citizen does it really change our salvation? Jesus mentions there will be positions, he said that there will be those who are greater and those who are least in the kingdom but the fact is they will still be in the kingdom. Not Everyone will get to wear a crown or sit on a throne. I’d be happy to hold a cup and serve the least of those who inhabit this place which is said to come down out of heaven.
    Serving a just king is the greatest honor a citizen of a kingdom can have, yet most who have the higher positions are not of this mindset and often abuse their position of authority. It will not be so in the kingdom ruled by Yeshua, I am confident those wearing crowns and robes will be rightfully chosen and will be exactly where they are supposed to be.
    Matt 5:19)
    Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

  27. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Here is a link to a PDF copy of the Book of Enoch

  28. Lee Anthony says:

    Israel killed a major leader of an Islamic group and since yesterday as a result over 150 rockets have been launched at them. News

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee Anthony, I haven’t been able to post all the alerts I got on Israel and this has been building up now for a month. My big computer is down I just sent all the alerts to Henry to post.
      The impeachment thing over here is a smokescreen I think by Satan with the news media and people are not aware. I read Israel News everyday almost. Things might get bad quick.
      Tomorrow they will have all eyes on Trump’s trial. Christians will be watching what is lining up in Israel. Israel named a facility for Trump for indigent young people. This was in honor of his moving US concerns to naming them as the capital. ( can’t remember the exact thing he did, brain freeze.
      I am about to send them to you by email. I am not able to copy and paste now.

  29. Lee Anthony says:

    I have been reading more into satan being cast down and want some of your thoughts on what I have found interesting. Jesus mentioned satan being ruler of this world in john 14:30 as we know. Something I noticed he also said I didnt pay attention to before is in (john 16:11)
    “and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
    And (john 12:31)
    Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
    Jesus was preparing his disciples for his upcoming death. He had been on earth now 33 or so years and was soon to be lifted up into heaven after accomplishing the greatest part of Gods plan. My thinking, what better time for satan to start mess while Jesus, the 2nd most powerful being in the universe, was on earth and not in heaven. Well if this is part of judgement that satan be thrown down woe to the earth indeed. I then went and read (rev. Chap. 12) and I think it goes with these verses quite well, specifically (vs. 5-10). Think about timeline of Jesus death and return to heaven in power and glory and what he mentioned to the 12 about satan and his being cast out in john and matt. It makes some sense that it could have been about the time of his return. Think of what vs. 5-10 are saying along with the rest and let me know what you think.
    I dont like times and dates but this is interesting to consider non the less.

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee so for clarity are you saying about the time of his Return or did you mean the casting out happened when the nation of Israel gave birth to a son (rev 12)? I am referring to this statement (It makes some sense that it could have been about the time of his return.)

      Funny, just yesterday Henry and I were discussing the scripture you quoted Saturday and said it could have happened while he was on earth also.
      For one thing, I don’t believe Jesus is Michael, I believe Michael is a Powerful Angelic creature, maybe a Cherub because Satan is a Cherub. So equals fighting each other.

      Michael is always presented to us as a warrior. Jesus is not a mear angel but a King and speaks, the sword comes out of his mouth, He is next to Jehovah in power.

      Because my answer is long and I think this should be an article so we can discuss revelation go here to see what I am writing as an answer back to you then others can come in on this.


      I will also alert a friend of mine who is studying the book of Revelation with some friends and see what he says.

      Also glad we aren’t using dates either because Jesu told us to look for signs and so we know the season.
      If satan could figure out the date he would be ready. But at a time that he does not expect it Jesus will return.

      Also, could you place your reply on the revelation article in the mentioned link so we can start a revelation discussion? Thanks

  30. Chris Johns says:

    Forgive me. The site shows it was removed but when I posted it it showed it again. I don’t know what’s going on on the site. Forgive me for the assumption.

    • jacqueline says:

      Chris if that is what you saw it must have detected a word it needed to check and see if it was on the blacklist.
      I have not read your reply to Henry yet so I don’t know.
      But I do want to advise you to get control because attacks will not be tolerated on this site. You may and anyone else may answer or comment but angry rants can’t be tolerated.

  31. Chris Johns says:

    Where did my post go? Wow. No different than the Watchtower society. Facts stand on their own and since they had to be deleted shows that facts don’t matter. And shutting down different opinions is no different than the Jehovah’s witnesses shutting down different views. Those were facts. Backed up with quotes. If you don’t like them then that’s your business. But shutting them down is no different than the JWs. I proved Russell wasn’t racist and since it didn’t fit your narrative it got deleted.

    • jacqueline says:

      Chris, I am the only one that controls that aspect of the site as Super Administrator. I don’t delete people posts. I have been decorating dollhouses all day and not touched a comment or viewed the site for hours. However you would be shocked to your core if you saw the hundreds of posts that are sitting in the unapproved section of Friends of Jehovah witnesses, a Bible Student website. They were taken down before you got out of bed and not by me. Quite a few dealt with the racism of Charles Taze Russell. But we didn’t get as concerned. I don’t know why this bothers you so much. Perhaps you could explain it, please.
      Also, you aren’t aware of the emails and snail mail sent, are you? Our discussion came straight from a Bible Student discussion email sent to me and I shared it with others.
      You are not the center of all things said, in fact, we never really thought of how hurt you would be and neither did the many Bible Students on the discussion.
      Please respect their rights and ours to answer back.

      Also, I just read your reply to Henry and wasn’t aware of some of the things you mentioned. Thanks for the additions.
      Thank you

  32. Chris Johns says:

    I think you should read the full context of the “racist” quotes you attribute to Russell you’d see that it isn’t what you think. For example when Jacqueline quoted the Watch Tower on race I went back and read them.

    1. “Can the Ethiopian change his skin?” If you read this this was not Russell but was a LETTER from a Reader named F.A Howard. Russell didn’t control everything in the magazine and didn’t agree with everything written.

    2. The Photo-drama Colored brethren sat separately? Again this was not Russell who wrote this. This was arrangement that was last minute due to opposition. The article explicitly says many white people were offended by the arrangement. Russell in another article said he loves black brethren as white brethren and in no way discriminates

    Quote from the article. “Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc.“

    Rather that googling arguments like atheists do why not read articles in their entirety. I find it sad that you’ve written off Russell because of what some elders have done and not researching but googling antirussell things and not going further into it.

    Also I attend an ecclesia where I’m the only white one. The rest (10) are black. I’ve asked their opinions on the race thing and they said it will in no way changes the divine plan and that they don’t worship Russell.

    Many look at Russell’s past and charge it against him. If we all did this than the apostle that denied Jesus three times and Moses and Samson and Solomon and David would not be good examples for nor types of Jesus. Does the divine plan change just because he made mistakes? No.

    I know many of you have completely rejected Russell but let’s be honest without him we would be with the rest of the nominal church believing in hell fire in trinity and in immortality of the soul and no paradise earth and some seven-year tribulation with an Antichrist.

    I know Some who say they havn’t read the reprints but if they did instead of googling arguments against Russell she would see that a lot of what she’s questioning and attacking is already been discussed in the watchtower.

    I know they say that Russell have an affair with a little girl but that’s not true. When Russell was sitting at the end of the bed with that girl her father had just died and she was 10 years old. But Russell‘s wife was on such a vendetta for feminism and didn’t like that he wouldn’t give her a piece of the watchtower to publish feminist articles that she sought to divorce him. But instead we’re going to go online and believe whatever else has to say about it.

  33. Christopher Johns says:

    The Epiphany Messenger is Paul S.L Johnson. The regular Bible Students believe in only 7 messengers. The Laymen’s believe in 49. They believe Russell was the Parousia Messenger and that Johnson was the Epiphany’s messenger. Notice at the top of the question it says all scriptures are from KJV yet there aren’t any. ?‍♂️ They have two books in the “Epiphany Studies in the Scriptures” entitled “The Parousia Messenger” and the “The Epiphany Messenger” in which they have TON of types and antitypes showing that the my are the messengers. Even Russell didn’t believe he alone was “that servant.”
    Even Russell in R4483 said that “that servant” is a class and not a single person. I don’t blame Russell for the cult that followed him.

    • jacqueline says:

      We as humans are confronted with so much deception from Religions (man’s way he decides to worship God) but it is comforting to see that all of us have the Bible. All, including the SL Johnson followers and followers of Russell and many others all confess Christ as their redeemer. And that is all we can do. Witnesses, Bible students and some other of the date setting religions say they have the “Truth”. But according to the Bible, believers in Christ and the word of God have the truth at their disposal also. I don’t really think that much about Russell’s writings or what his thoughts are, nor the witnesses now that I realize the Holy Spirit dwells in us and those men had no more or less than any of believers who have the Spirit.
      I don’t see the 49 names nor Russell’s name in the Bible, he is just one of the many Christians, but unfortunately, his followers worship his words and books, thus giving a man undue attention. But that is not the worst thing in the world and not really that important.
      Christopher, there is so much in the Bible I have learned that I don’t have time to go back 100 years and studiously for decades and a century go over and over one man’s thoughts. There are so many more thoughts plus our own. ALL must conform to scriptures.

      Psalm 25:5 Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long.

      Psalm 43:3 Send out your light and your truth; let them lead me; let them bring me to your holy hill and to your dwelling!

      Psalm 86:11 Teach me your way, O LORD, that I may walk in your truth; unite my heart to fear your name.
      Matthew 22:16 And they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are true and teach the way of God truthfully, and you do not care about anyone’s opinion, for you are not swayed by appearances.

      John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

      The notion that the date setters of the 19th- 20th century had the only truth does not agree with the Bible therefore it is to just be ignored and move on to just the Bible which with the Holy Spirit is opened up. It isn’t as difficult as we were led to believe. I would never read the watchtower or the Studies in the Scriptures anymore.

  34. Christopher Johns says:

    Want to see creature worship. The LHMM Bible Students say Russell sits are Jesus right hand. Here’s proof.


    • jacqueline says:

      Christopher, I rest my case. The many offshoot religions, factions, etc of Russell’s religious teachings all herald him as the Laodicean Messenger and worship him in speech as far as I can see it. Some countries can’t navigate the entire web so I posted what it says at your link. Thank you


      Scriptures are cited from the King James (Authorized) Version, unless stated otherwise.

      Question: What position will the Epiphany Messenger occupy in the Little Flock?

      Answer: According to the Scriptures, “that servant” is the one at our Lord’s right hand, and the Apostle Paul is the one at His left, for the Bible shows that Paul, the leading brother of the Jewish Harvest, will have charge, under our Lord acting through “that servant” of the 12,000 who will be the chief ones of the 144,000. The other eleven Apostles will each have under his charge, under the Lord Jesus acting through “that servant,” of the other eleven parts of the 144,000, that is, the other eleven parts of the antitypical temple.

      It would seem that the Epiphany Messenger would come next in rank after the twelve Apostles in the Kingdom, having charge under our Lord acting through “that servant” of the Great Company and Youthful Worthies. The angel of the church of Laodicea consists of “that servant” and the Epiphany Messenger; and these as the seventh angel of Revelation will trumpet forth the Truth as the seventh trumpet the whole thousand years. “That servant,” under our Lord, will give the Truth pertinent to the twelve parts of the antitypical tabernacle and the Epiphany Messenger will give the Truth pertinent to the Great Company and the Youthful Worthies during that period.

      Jesus stating that the Twelve who followed Him, St. Paul taking the place of Judas, would sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of spiritual Israel and through them judging, ruling, over the twelve tribes of Millennial Israel; and the twelve gates of heavenly Jerusalem also prove that the twelve Apostles will be superior to anyone else in the Kingdom apart from our Lord and “that servant.” The Epiphany Messenger’s place, according to the above will be that of the fourteenth individual under our Lord in the Kingdom.

  35. Christopher Johns says:

    I believe the way they treat people is a trial. I know I’m much stronger than many. I couldn’t care less what they say about me. They didn’t call me. Russell wrote about how dealing with the brethren is a trail in and of itself. Let’s them say what they want. Some meet online with brethren. If they ever told me that I needed to be baptized or they wouldn’t accept me then so be it. They didn’t call me. I will not leave what I believe the truth is or judge the truth based on what men say. If they don’t want me there then I’ll study by myself. But I don’t judge Russell or my beliefs based on what the brethren think. I’m shunned by my old Kingdom Hall and I couldn’t care less that when I visit that they don’t say anything to me. I’m not there for them. So tough. My ecclesia isn’t like that. If they were I’d sit there and say nothing. You’d have to put me out to get me to stop going. Some have been told that they aren’t welcome at the convention. Well I’m sorry you didn’t call me. So I’ll be there until the police show up.

  36. Lee Anthony says:

    My wife left JW after me, and she was baptised a bible student. They seemed shocked when asked where she learned the truth and she said from me. They never accepted me since I would not “consecrate” aka be baptised as one of them. The treatment shown her and to me after traveling all over to conventions and through her meetings with the ecclesisa pushed her away after I left myself same as JW’s. Unfortunately the treatment was similar from both sides just under different circumstances. They no longer invite me yet they still invite her and she declines yet they dont seem to understand why. Love is not conditional yet amongst groups like Jw’s and so far almost all bible students we’ve met it certainly has conditions added to it. Her family and some other Jw’s finally cut her off cause they now tell them to not associate with inactive ones. We may as well be disellowshipped now. Its sad, we only dont formally disassociate cause of her family. As for bible students, they are treating us just as bad now, unfortunately most dont know how to act cause my wife is black, we find it almost entertaining. It dont bother us though… Anyways, there are some amongst both groups who are Real, but they are few and far between. My Ecclesia is the group here on the calls 2wice a week and we travel to join together for memorial. I have found no other fellowship quite as real, even the nominal systems we have tried do not know what unconditional love actually is. The world is getting so very bad even amongst the Christian groups. Jesus said to keep on the watch and he told us what to watch for. My eyes are certainly open

    • jacqueline says:

      Lee Anthony, I was told by more than one elder or men at the General Convention that God seems to be with the Arian Race now sister Jacqueline. It was almost hostile by some. Another sister of color was subjected to hateful speech at her ecclesia, I heard of some black sister being referred to as Where are my Nigresses at this convention.

      Tonight we have recent correspondence from among the Bible Student brothers who are appalled at these things and have some encouraging words. One Bible Student brothers came on our Saturday call in and had received the same treatment but are now thriving among brothers that are considering just the Bible on Revelation.

      So, I see a pattern here of the Holy Spirit it seems to push us to just God, Christ and the Bible only. And you see we are doing fine!

      This discussion and learning from the Bible only have brought me to my knees in the presence of God!

      God is still on the throne and pulling people out from these organizations to show us what He has really said in the Bible. Sorry, He has to punch us to get away from words of men to the WORD of GOD. But the Spirit does what works.

  37. Marjo says:

    God heals! Amen to that!

    Last night I was listening of this heaven7 tv show online. It was Finnish version of it, but it confirmed my thoughts of that nurse I met that she was sent to help me to find the right place. Here is the English version of this site



    Finnish, Russia and other languages

  38. Marjo says:

    Hello Jackie! Its great that you can have time with your grandchildren. It seems like that God is responding to our prayers when we dont expect it. Have a great time and enjoy.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo I had good news from my doctor yesterday also. Blood pressure 113/65, I have never had high blood pressure but with so much activity I expected odd results. I have not had another stroke! All of my MRI results were unremarkable, totally clear. sometimes we go through rough patches but there is always a silver lining in there.
      Christians in some parts of the world are being beheaded for Christ. Other parts extreme stress is used to take us out or sickness with family. It is futility. Only God can end this curse on mankind on the day he has determined to end it and say enough!

      Romans 8:20: “For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope”

      I enjoyed reading about your experience. I too am finding others are just as or more loving than we were told. We were made to fear the “Worldly” people when God has subjected all humanity together.
      We have been studying the fruits of the Spirit and each time we talk to each other we find out one or the other has purposely applied these fruits. When formally I just read them and never thought about consciously seeking ways to act out these fruitages. I will go so far as to say I had never had the witness of the spirit before escaping. Sad I know but the truth. Enjoying my grands and so glad the governing body attempts to destroy families is failing. God is more powerful at moving hearts. He is still on the throne.
      Also, I am beginning to understand our relationship to Jesus and Jehovah now. We were created by and for them, in their image, so we sort of deal with things like they would.
      My dog is here to protect me and sound an alarm if someone comes on the property. And I in turn love feed and cherish him, provide for all his needs and love to see him enjoy everything.
      But I have rules, I have taught him not to run off the property barking at people and every dog that barks. He obeys that well. He has gone to obedience school so is well trained. Now with the kids here he tries to skirt my rules and revert to primal instincts. I punish him and restrict him because I know he can obey. He is my dog.
      We belong to Jehovah and Jesus, they created us with free will but with boundaries. I see now why Jehovah has to be firm and if we don’t listen as Adam and Eve didn’t, to let us see for ourselves that without him we simply can’t exist for eternity. We belong to him as created persons. Got to go now and entertain the grands.

  39. jacqueline says:

    Hello everyone, I am enjoying my blessings from God a visit by my grandchildren for over a week and I will visit with them for a week. I prayed for it and He answered in a big way because He is a rich big God! So I am out of action for a bit.

    Reading all the comments and enjoying.

  40. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Romans 15:7 So welcome each other, just as the Messiah has welcomed you into God’s glory. 8 For I say that the Messiah became a servant of the Jewish people in order to show God’s truthfulness by making good his promises to the Patriarchs, 9 and in order to show his mercy by causing the Gentiles to glorify God — as it is written in the Tanakh,

    “Because of this I will acknowledge you among the Gentiles
    and sing praise to your name.”[b]

    10 And again it says,

    “Gentiles, rejoice with his people.”[c]

    11 And again,

    “Praise Adonai, all Gentiles!
    Let all peoples praise him!”[d]

    12 And again, Yesha‘yahu says,

    “The root of Yishai (Jesse) will come,
    he who arises to rule Gentiles;
    Gentiles will put their hope in him.”[e]

    13 May God, the source of hope, fill you completely with joy and shalom as you continue trusting, so that by the power of the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) you may overflow with hope.
    Throughout the book of Romans Paul makes it clear that Christians and Jews are united is serving Yahweh. As gentiles we were grafted into the olive tree. We share the same hope. Jehovah’s Witnesses as well as some main stream religions use replacement theology declaring the prophecies regarding the nation of Israel apply to them. They declare that Christ abandoned the Jews because they rejected him. But notice what Christ himself says: Luke 13:35 New International Version (NIV)
    35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again UNTIL YOU SAY ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[a]”
    The nation of Israel has been under divine punishment as prophesied. But the Scriptures are clear that they will at some point finally accept Christ. Our Lord will not allow his people to be exterminated when the great tribulation brings the attack on his people. Christ will return in his glory and save that nation!
    Romans 11 New International Version (NIV)
    The Remnant of Israel
    1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.
    11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
    Because we have been grafted in, we have become spiritual Jews, circumcised in the heart, the Torah engraved within us., not on stone but through grace and Holy Spirit
    Soon our Lord will come in all his glory for the salvation of his chosen ones, those Jew’s and Gentiles who have united together in service to Christ.
    John 10:16
    New International Version
    I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
    These other sheep are not a secondary Christian class as Jehovah’s Witness’s proclaim.
    When Jesus spoke these words the Gentiles were not yet part of his sheep. He was sent to the nation of Israel. Only after he sent Peter to Cornelius was the door opened for the Gentiles to be grafted into and become one with his chosen people. When we look at the prophecies in the Scriptures we can see this is plain Scriptural truth! We have no need to play games of symbolism and interpretation! Paul makes it plain in his book to the Romans. We have the prophecies in Ezekial, Isaiah, and others. We have the words of Jesus himself that, although they broke his heart and had to be punished, the way was still open for all those of fleshly Israel to join him and become part of his one flock with him as their shepherd.
    What a glorious God we have!

  41. jacqueline says:

    I was just asked what is a Berean Bible Study as opposed to being a religion.

    My answer was, as the Thessalonians and the Boreans refused to accept a new understanding without holding it up to the Bible, we too will search the scriptures diligently with prayer for Holy Spirit to see if a matter is true.

    Sometimes the Spirit helps you see it is time to listen to other voices not just the doctrines and long held beliefs of the groups that sprang up after and along side the ” Miller Movement”. These odd beliefs sound so good but Jesus actually warned against these groups, anticipating their arrival.

    Matt 24:3-8 appears to warn that deceivers would come and say Christ is invisible to us; but they have been told by him that He has come.

    “disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.”
    World war and the French Revolution were not signs Jesus said but a beginning of birth pains only!

    Many endtime dates for the end of our age is built around deception as Jesus said. It seems he knew about the great influence of the Miller Movement with new thought religions like, Seventh Day Adventist, Bible Students, Christadelphians, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and many more little off shoots when their prophecies failed.

    These men didn’t appear to be deliberate deceivers but with the limited knowledge of the time and some arrogance they went against Jesus stated words.

    ” Matt. 24:36, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”

    They thought they could figure out the date, but not the Son of God who knew every old testament date and said himself “I don’t know it”.

    So this is my answer to why we study and aren’t keeping silent about the “Captives of a concept” doctrine of 1914, 1843 and 1874, 1925,1975 and now the Bible Students are projecting still another date 2038. They aren’t learning from the past, so are doomed to repeat it.

    Abuse has resulted from these strict adherence to doctrines of men!

    Abuse has a best friend! His name is “SILENCE”!shhhhhh!

  42. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    I love this post. I got it off of Facebook but it says it all:

    Cristãos Bereanos
    Admin · February 16
    Secondhand “Faith”

    Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God (Romans 14:22).

    Many, if not most of those in professing Christendom have secondhand “faith.”

    It can be a wonderful thing when others share their “faith” with us; but sadly much of what many believe was simply passed to them by others, untested and unproven. The only way for faith truly to be ours is for us to go to the Scriptures themselves, to be convinced by them.

    Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth (II Timothy 2:15).

    Note carefully Paul’s words, “Study to show thyself …” and earlier, “Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God.”

    God has called us into an individual faith before Himself. No one has the right to tell us what to believe, or to provide us with creeds or doctrinal statements. Our faith is to be personal, without constraint, without manipulation.

    Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand (II Corinthians 1:24).

    The walk of faith truly begins with freedom from the bondage of religious dominion, and finds its completion standing alone before God by personal faith. Embrace this true liberty: freedom from religion, to freedom of faith – the freedom to follow your own heart of faith wherever God may lead.

    Being strong in such personal faith is what brings glory to the Father.

    He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God (Romans 4:20).

    Do not settle for secondhand “faith,” for that is not truly faith at all – or at least it is not faith in God and in His Word – it is merely faith in men and their words. We must not merely go on what we have heard, or on our preconceived notions and supposition. God desires us to have a faith all our own, so that we may know and believe first-hand what He has said; for faith is simply taking God at His Word.

    Don’t be caught up in the mimicry of a secondhand “faith.” Dare to believe God and His Word for yourself!

  43. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Hi John
    I’m sure Sister Jacqueline will answer as well but I just wanted to say first of all, welcome! No John we are not Jehovah’s Witnesses but most of us have come out of the Witnesses, many for the same reasons you just asked about. Because of their misguided interpretation of certain Scriptures regarding the necessity of two witnesses to a crime they have allowed the abuse of children and have failed to report these type of occurrences to authorities. We do not condone these actions! The Bible is clear regarding the worship of idols and we would not want to belong to any church who actively does this. We are not members of any particular denomination. We are simply a group of Christians who study the Bible and put it above any man made publication. We do not follow any leader but Christ! I hope this helps answer your question and we hope you continue to come on and share more about yourself.

  44. John says:

    Dear Jaqueline,

    if an elder is misusinga child, not saying the truth , supports worshipping idols

    whatwould you do with him ? Are you a JW ?

    • jacqueline says:

      Hello John and welcome. TedR expressed it well. I would first believe the child. Normally children don’t lie about abuse. They will only tell once thinking the adult will get them out of the situation. Be cautious because the abuser is killing entire families now including children rather than suffer exposure. If in the US you can ask for a detective first before calling the police. You must make sure the child can be safe along with others in that household. This is general info here because I don’t know if it is the elders child or a congregant. If a congregant call the Police! Then tell the parents. Telling the parents first, sometimes they go into denial and punish the child.
      Give us more info please.
      PS: sorry not to answer quickly, I am in the car with JW family going home after having a stroke 2 months ago while visiting.
      Let’s hear more so others can understand how to act appropriately.
      I was a witness 62 years, then associated with the Bible Students for 8 years. Now it is as Ted said, I am simply a Christian that understand now that you can go directly to God thru Jesus. I associate and listen to others on what they glean from the scriptures with help only from the Holy Spirit. Again welcome. Take Care

  45. traveler says:

    But Who really is a Christian?

    This is the topic for this post I think. Is it a wonder that given the concept expressed in the Bible that few, only a remnant are saved, means that the general population of those looking have a wrong idea or two. It’s because of this that the Bible says “if the time had not been cut short no flesh could be saved.”

    (Matthew 7:13, 14) . . .Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.

    But Who really is a Christian?

    (Matthew 7:7, 8) . . .Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU. 8 For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened. . .

    (John 17:3) . . .This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. . .
    Obviously accurate or you really would not know them.

    Where have the Jews gone that the promises were given to?

    (Romans 2:29) . . .But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God. . .

    (1 John 2:20, 21) And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge. 21 I write YOU, not because YOU do not know the truth, but because YOU know it, and because no lie originates with the truth.

    This concept of who are the followers of Jesus is really quite simple to understand. Jesus was anointed king of the true Jews by God and presented himself to the “nation” of Israel. When the nation of Israel as a provision rejected Jesus, this “nation”, the “old builders” were then rejected permanently by God. Jesus left and the true Jews followed him. There were no true Jews left in the “nation” of Israel.
    After Armageddon when Christ rules over the twelve tribes during the thousand years of peace, there will be only true Jews under their king Jesus, now no longer “the word of God” but the “Amen of God”.

    By Paul’s day there was a great difference between the common use of the description “Jew” and what it actually referred to. In Galatians 3:28 he points this out by saying that it was incorrect to use the term “Jew” to refer to nationality, and why he combined Greek with Jew, slave with freeman, male with female; those that followed Jesus were all true Jews and Abraham’s seed. The distinguishing characteristic was that these were all circumcised of heart; they were made Jews by the condition of their heart due to their frame of mind, that of being under Yahweh’s influence, not the condition of their flesh. These true Jews followed Jesus their king, and were later called by the vernacular term “Christians”. The Bible records the title “Christian” as appearing to be providential, but says nothing about it being God given. Remember that providential refers to a [g]od-like influence and does not make specific reference to which “god”. Also note that the Bible does not state that it was from the true “God”, Yahweh. Keep in mind that while Jesus was to reveal the truth, Satan, god of this system (2 Corinthians 4:4) is actively trying to hide it.
    Remembering this makes it easy to see that Satan could well have been responsible for the term “Christian” which is accepted by many Bible scholars as derogatory. The Jews of prophecy, God’s people needed to be hidden from the world by Satan if at all possible. One can see Satan did a good job with this attempt to rename them. Think about it. The followers of Jesus were in the middle of a nation that hated them, lending weight to this view of the title “Christian” being derogatory. Satan was misleading the world to think that all that was necessary to serve God was to be a member of an “organization” like the nation of Israel, which of course he knew would condemn mankind. This promoted misunderstanding of the term Jew along with concealing the true path, and has continued down to our very day.
    If you keep track of noteworthy men and women who held an approved frame of mind down through time, especially since Abraham, it helps to see that when it was time to be gathered together as a chosen people it was a major land mark. This “chosen people”, the true Jews, were placed under the oversight of an organization (“nation” of Israel, “old builders”) which had the responsibility to build them up as the house of God (Matthew 21:42). However, this responsibility was not carried out, and this organization, the “nation” of Israel, rejected the new king Jesus. The “nation” of Israel was then rejected by God and the true Jews along with Jesus left.
    (Galatians 3:26-29) . . .YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, [true Jews] heirs with reference to a promise. . .

    The majority of mankind believes that the nation of Israel is populated by Jews. This assumption is wrong. Remember that nationality, social circumstance or gender will not make you a Jew or a follower of Jesus, as Paul pointed out in Galatians. In Romans he explains that being a member of the nation of Israel (nationality) does not make you a Jew, nor does being able to prove you are a physical descendant of Abraham.
    An interesting thing to note is Paul does not seem to realize that within his own explanation of who really is a Jew, he establishes that he was himself not a Jew until he expressed faith in Jesus as the son of God. The realization that there was a path that had existed before the nation arrived, and had briefly passed through the nation of Israel while they were to be the “builders” of the house of God, the true Jews, must have been the basis for Paul’s considerations. He now had an overview with the information revealed by Jesus. Yes there were true Jews that could be save from the provision the “nation” and Paul does refer to the synagogue of the Jew’s, these places of warship were built as a place for the true Jews. Also remember as many Bible writers who wrote under inspiration he obviously did not get the full depth of his own writing as we can now through the use of the spirit of understanding in this the time of the end.
    Mankind was now in the process of becoming “ adopted sons of God”. The true Jews were now to become the “sons of God” through Jesus their king and messiah by receiving that which was promised, the token of adoption. Jesus was the provision sent by God with the “good news” that there was going to be a new administration, with him as the head. When he was rejected he left with the “remnant” of true Jews. In time, people from the nations with the right heart were added to these true Jews by a process described as “grafting”, making it possible for both those living and those who had died to be recognized as true Jews. The true Jews of Jesus’ day along with these grafted true Jews would form the twelve tribes of the thousand year reign of Christ under their Father Yahweh.

    Keep in mind that the Romans and the nation of Israel were not worried about a “way of life/lifestyle” but rather a “way” of thinking, reasoning. This helps us to understand that ideas related to the concept of “way” held by the organization of the witnesses and the world in general would be hindered by their general misconception that “way” is a reference to life style. Simply living a life style is something of which almost anyone would be capable. The Bible also mentions that it was Yahweh’s “way”, again certainly not a reference to life style.

    If you check the references, especially 1 Peter 12- 16, you will note you can see that the true Jews, true followers of Christ, were suffering under the title “Christians” as it was pointed out earlier, because they had become known by the world as “Christians”. Both the Romans and the nation of Israel used this name to identify and persecute those whose “way” of thinking was abhorrent to them.

    (1 Peter 4:12-16) Beloved ones, do not be puzzled at the burning among YOU, which is happening to YOU for a trial, as though a strange thing were befalling YOU. 13 On the contrary, go on rejoicing forasmuch as YOU are sharers in the sufferings of the Christ, that YOU may rejoice and be overjoyed also during the revelation of his glory. 14 If YOU are being reproached for the name of Christ, YOU are happy, because the [spirit] of glory, even the spirit of God, is resting upon YOU. 15 However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name.

    Obviously to be called by the title “Christian” was a mark of great shame among the nation of Israel and the Romans. The point here is that having left the nation of Israel the true Jews should no longer take on shame from these derogatory names. Only being accused of real acts against God, such as murder or theft was significant.

    ***it-2 cont.
    Derisive Nicknames
    From the 16th century onward, this situation posed a problem for the Reformers. Since the name Christian was being used so loosely, how could they distinguish themselves from others who claimed to be Christians?
    Often they simply acquiesced to the use of a derisive nickname given to them by their enemies. Thus theological opponents of Martin Luther, in Germany, were the ones that first applied his name to his followers, calling them Lutherans. Those associated with John Wesley, in England, were labeled Methodists because they were unusually precise and methodical in the observance of religious duties. Baptists at first resisted the nickname Anabaptist (meaning, “Rebaptizer”) but gradually adopted the name Baptist as a sort of compromise.
    This same process was likely responsible for the adoption of the title “Christian” by those with less than a clear understanding of who they were to become through “grafting”. The wolves fulfilled their predicted role.
    What about the Bible Students? They were dubbed Russellites and Rutherfordites by the clergy. But adopting such a name would have fostered a sectarian spirit. It would have been inconsistent with the reproof given to early Christians by the apostle Paul, who wrote: “When one says: ‘I belong to Paul,’ but another says: ‘I to Apollos,’ are you not simply men [that is, fleshly in outlook instead of spiritual]?” (or Christian, belonging to Jesus rather than his Father under Jesus care)(1 Cor. 3:4) Some people labeled them “Millennial Dawnists”; but Christ’s Millennial Reign was only one of their teachings. Others called them “Watch Tower People”; but that too was inappropriate, for the Watch Tower was merely one of the publications that they used to disseminate Bible truth.

    Looking at the process closer to home, Rutherford claimed the title “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to separate the 144,000, “the anointed” as he described them, from those calling themselves Christian. This title “Jehovah’s Witnesses” has never been associated with any other members within their organization or associated congregation, even though it is a popular misconception that all who associate can call themselves “Jehovah’s Witnesses”. We pointed out this fact to our then elders and the response was, “yes that was the case but the general congregation of those associating was not strong enough to be told this information”. So we can see how these things happen even in our day.

    In conclusion, a small group of people (true Jews) realize that the man Jesus is really God’s son and their new king. They live amongst a nation that has long been accustomed to God’s help and approval. This small group now tells those calling themselves “Jews”, that not only does the nation no longer have God’s approval, but the majority of the population have never been “Jews”. We can visualize the scene at the time: Man on the street, “yes, I have heard him express his “way” of thinking. He is one of those Christians, certainly not one of us, a Jew.” It seems fairly simple to see the setting and circumstance given the time period.

    Who really is a Jew? And where have they gone?
    Jesus as the last word:
    “I know . . . the blasphemy by those who say they themselves are Jews and yet they are not but are a synagogue of Satan.”—Re 2:9.

    So the last question to consider is, are you really a Christian, or a true Jew?

    Please note that this and most of our posts are cut and paste from older writings we have done, so different type fonts and scale happen. We try to update conceptual information as needs be.

  46. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    How do we recognize true Christians?
    With so much sectarianism in the Christian world how do we know we have the TRUTH? Is it from doctrine? Is it one particular religious affiliation? What does the Bible truly say? Notice how John helps answer that question. 1 John 4:
    4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
    So even in Johns day sectarianism has started to raise it’s head. So the first indicator of a true follower of Christ is that we must recognize Jesus as coming from God in the flesh. That he truly is Gods son.
    4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
    Many who claim to be Christian have fallen into the trap of worldly thinking. They feel that Jesus was just a good man or a prophet. Or they give lip service to Christ but by their actions show that they do not truly believe that he is the one who God sent to take away our sins. They fail to follow the example Christ set for us by worldly reasonings, using the grace and undeserved kindness of our Lord as an excuse for loose conduct. They go beyond Scripture by setting up legalistic rules that you must follow that although based on some Bible principles, have established a Pharisee like system of false righteousness placing a heave yoke of fear on their fellow believers.
    But notice what he says next regarding true followers of Christ!
    7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
    13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
    God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
    19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
    No mention is made here of following after the sectarian teachings of man. That you must believe this doctrine or that doctrine. We follow Christ! We follow his example of LOVE, COMPASSION and MERCY. We do this by our ACTIONS!
    James tells us: James 1:27
    Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
    Righteousness before God is not determined by our belief in a certain man or organization. It is not determined by works or doctrine. It is determined by our FAITH in our Lord and our love for him, because he loves us! It is determined by our actively following his example. We serve God out of LOVE, not fear. We are loyal to Christ, not man or mans organizations! Love of God and our fellow man is the greatest commandment!

  47. traveler says:

    It is good to hear Franz is not taken as the last word. I have a great respect for Franz although reading the Insight on the Scriptures he could have brought many greater issues to the table of the organization long before those that got him in trouble. Yes my wife and I did wait many years hoping that the organization might embrace the truths that Franz later wrote down in the Insight on the Scripture volumes, although it seems many he did not himself get the depth of . There is a very good explanation in the “Insight on the Scriptures” of the transfer of the son of God , explaining that his son emptied himself and was transferred by God into Mary to be born in slave’s form. Obviously the son did not bring his body from Heaven, or his awareness which would have made him incarnate. He was born as a human, had to go through the same process gaining awareness as we do. Even though the article mentions that it was his life force that was transferred, and on which his identity depended, stating “only in this way could the original person return to heaven, it did not follow through the obvious carrying forward of this life force through the grave and death.
    That’s why we pointed out that Franz and his writing team did not have an accurate grasp of the hope of the out- resurrection of Jesus. Yes, certainly Franz had a good mind and was a brother. But for those of us who covered enough distance to see the weakness and inaccuracy of the organization’s doctrine early in our association and would not teach these, this gives us a little different prospective on Franz. The doctrine that God from his OWN memory of you, programmed a newly created body to think like you (copy) at the time of resurrection, which is the organization’s explanation of the hope, was taught by Franz full time for many years, did for us somewhat lessen the impact that Franz was thought to have had when he did finally stand erect. This is without taking into account the many other doctrines he surly taught in doubt. Looking at the ability Franz had to think and teach he surly had an incredible effect on many lives as he preached this illogical premise for the hope of the resurrection. We are glad that before the end of his career with the organization he took a stand to help the many who are still inside this organization, even though in his book the main reason he gives for finally writing was to clear his reputation of the rumors circulating about him. It is comforting to know we are forgiven our weakness’s.

    We will get the hang of this site and start to carry on these considerations in a more appropriate place.

  48. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Traveler- No one here is following Ray Franz. His video’s are posted to help expose the false teachings and organizational controls of the Society. Since he was on the GB at one time it helps to know the inner workings, at least during his time. The purpose of this site is to help ex-JW’s understand that there is life outside of the organization and that we should not follow ANY man. We appreciate his viewpoints as we do even Russell’s as long as we can prove by Scriptural examination what he or anyone else has to say. Like the Boreans we examine everything to make sure of all things from the Scriptures. Any viewpoints expressed here by third parties is just part of our exploration. We refuse to blindly follow anyone but Christ and the Hoy Scriptures! We would like to welcome you to our forum and look forward to hearing from you.

  49. traveler says:

    Just a thought on the first video on Franz teaching.Video Answer:

    Please brothers and sisters let us not leave the worship of Russell, a long with the organization and the governing body only now to worship our brother Franz. Remember that Franz had experienced the greatest betrayal of his life and was wounded deeply, through the organization. This shook his pursuit of truth. He is responsible for writing a great deal of truth perceived through the steps of logic he traveled while reading and researching the Bible. Truth is simple if you arrive at it one step at a time. Truth is simple, but truth has depth. Brother Franz admits he and his writing team tried to make the truth they arrived at fit the “present truth” of the organization on occasion, but they also tried the majority of the time to just let it stand on its own merit. Those of you who have read the “Insight on the Scriptures” can attest to this. What they found in their execution of the mistake in instructions the organization made, was that the truth was easily discernable, if you had even a beginning foundation of truth. The mistake was setting them on a task of looking at the Bible without bias to past or present organizational “present truth”. He and his writers reasoned through the Bible one topic at a time . The problem is they had no overview of the Bible, or even of Jesus and the nature of his resurrection. This lack of overview would not allow them to see the clear “path” of reason revealed in the “way” of reason that Jesus found in his own search as he grew to adulthood, and was also later revealed to him further by God’s spirit. The point here is that as a corresponding person Jesus demonstrated by example that we too can draw closer to God through accurate understanding of God and the expression of his love towards us, the anointed Jesus.

    (Colossians 2:2) . . ., that they may be harmoniously joined together in love and with a view to all the riches of the full assurance of [their] understanding, with a view to an accurate knowledge of the sacred secret of God, namely, Christ.

    (Colossians 2:3) . . .Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge. . .

    (Matthew 22:37-40) . . .“‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.. . .

    We are making our minds over through the truth that Yahweh has revealed in and through his Son Jesus. Remember it is hidden from the world we came from. We began to take the steps revealed in the “milk” and then to progress to the “meat” through depth of understanding. Only in this process can we show true love for God and others. Only through this can we prophesy (teach) others to cross from the dead state they exist in to one of living to God.

    (1 Corinthians 2:1-5) . . .And so I, when I came to YOU, brothers, did not come with an extravagance of speech or of wisdom declaring the sacred secret of God to YOU. 2 For I decided not to know anything among YOU except Jesus Christ, and him impaled. 3 And I came to YOU in weakness and in fear and with much trembling; 4 and my speech and what I preached were not with persuasive words of wisdom but with a demonstration of spirit and power, 5 that YOUR faith might be, not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.

    Paul presented himself at the level that would be “up” building to this congregation. Paul himself hoped to be one of the “new builders” of the house of God. As Jesus did when he came to serve, also Paul did. They served the need of the congregation at the level that could be understood while eventually teaching things of greater depth.

    (1 Corinthians 2:6-10) . . .Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature, but not the wisdom of this system of things nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing. 7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 This [wisdom] not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know, for if they had known [it] they would not have impaled the glorious Lord. 9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

    The “way” of reason lays out the “path” we follow to draw closer to God. On this path, as we find the Bible puts it, we learn beside each other just as Jesus our brother did and does, because God is all “ways” higher.

    • jacqueline says:

      Traveler, welcome and thanks for your comment.
      Many have commented on what they heard read from Franz book. They can listen rather than read. Many cannot buy these books so we make them available here and they were available on the fojw site in PDF.
      We publish articles and musings from a variety of authors to let freedom seekers hear different voices. We publish other Christian authors also that stick to scripture the best they can.
      I know Franz, he landed in my Alabama Circuit. It is true he pushed for a governingbody and met with opposition.
      He won, but this giant came back to bite him in the rear when he tried to recant, admit there was no such body like the sanhedrin in early congregation.
      He made the front cover of the times with a vengeance at first but was used powerfully to expose a rotten egg among the so called Jehovah witnesses organization, ” an instead of Christ, anti, governing body”.
      Sometimes being humbled allows God to be able to use you (us) for his purpose.
      This is a website and we present information to people we think are intelligent enough to not worship anyone but God and Jesus the Christ.
      Look forward to hearing from you and I will let Brandon know you are posting. Take Call, traveler.

  50. traveler says:

    Good to see you are still at it Jacqueline.


    • jacqueline says:

      Hello!!!! Nice to hear from you.
      If I recall you had some things you wanted to share. I was moderator but not the owner of the other site. Here we can discuss what we have found as individual Christians. You may share here if you like. It can be lengthy in a comment or you might want to let it be a contributed article, that way it gets its own comments on your subject. Let me know or you can comment. Thanks and take care.

  51. Rena Luecking aka Just Stay Sweet and Good says:

    Miss Rena’s thoughts: It only stands to reason that all of the people in the Jewish communities in Israel already were believers in YHVH. Going from one house to the next house would have always resulted in a warm welcome. The first century Christians were preaching and teaching the Messiah and his kingdom in the world to come. It is not at unreasonable to conclude they would have done it in any way that worked. Paul even hired an auditorium for his discourses with his own money. Remember that they we not just to baptize and make disciples, they were also suppose to be teachers. Matt 28:20 Acts 28:30 How many of those who claim to be anointed are taking the lead in the spirit of this example today? The faithful and discrete slave will not be designated until the end, AFTER they have been faithful and discreet.

  52. Ariella says:

    Hi this is Ariella, i hope i can contribute to having daily reading either audio or reading. to help others be in the word of God daily in this busy life schedule.

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi Ariella tell us what you got and welcome. Tell us how you want to present it and let us set it up.
      Do you want it to be a recording or will you have listeners on BBB. You will be given your own page with your bio. Then copy and paste on sites for people to come over when you do a show or whatever you tell us is your format. With your own page it will list your show on the paste on Facebook.

  53. Lee Anthony (Brandon) says:

    Hi Everyone I am thrilled to see this site. Awesome Jacqueline! Will have to join the thursday study when I get tha chance soon.
    Lee Anthony (Brandon)

    • jacqueline says:

      Hello Brandon, thank you for commenting. This is a site for all of us. You may submit an article to publish and it will have a comment section. Kent would like to open the discussion on 607 or 587, so if you want to start it by adding what you think, go for it.
      I think it would fall under deep subject blog. Talk about things that are on your mind. Also tell pharnisha to make up a name and let’s talk. Whatever is bothering her or a subject that she wishes to discuss. We can be open on here. How is the baby doing?
      Take Care

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