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Our sole mission is to help you start thinking, praying directly to God through Jesus Christ and not through a man or organization. To not be afraid of God or Armageddon but to accept Christ as your leader and not a governing body or a one-man founder of your former religion. 

Videos posted at the end of every page is not to sway you but to let you see other people do know something about the Bible and trying to break it down also. One thing you will notice is that more are willing to change what they thought and more use just the Bible, not books or magazines. We are a help site to get your mind working to do critical thinking not teach you what we believe but get you going to God through Jesus directly. To have a personal relationship with God and feel you don't need an organization talking to God for you. 

 NOTE: We have writers from different countries, so articles may reflect the experiences of that country but not another. Enjoy!

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You can speak freely here without being hushed up. We push only the Bible, not any religion. We are just following "two or Three" , small group discussions. So commenters will measure it against the Bible but have the latitude to think through what is being said and discuss also. The Apostles through the Holy Spirit have left us clear paths on what the Christian congregation should look like. House Churches with no Nicolaitanism. (Clergy-laity) We are all brothers here.

Everyone has a voice here without fear of being harassed by those not wanting you to tell your story.

Matthew 18: 20  "For where two or three gathers in my name, there am I with them.”

by Jacqueline--the next section of the mission is written by Greg. Welcome, everybody.

 

It is not our desire to indoctrinate, recruit, convert, or “save” anyone. We recognize that everyone is on an individual journey, and so their paths from their various points of origin onward to their personally envisioned destinations are going to be somewhat varied.

 

Quite understandably, some persons who have been adversely impacted by spiritual abuse at the hands of “Bible-Thumpers” and “Religious Terrorists” may want nothing more to do with God, the Bible, or religion. For others, it is equally understandable that their personal convictions or their worries and anxieties may compel them to try to find a new way to move through and beyond spiritual abuse while not completely abandoning their God or religious beliefs.

 

No matter who you are, where you’ve come from, what you’ve once believed, or what you now believe, it is our resolve to help you feel safe, welcome, and at ease here. We want everyone to find the support they need and want—nothing more, nothing less. Think of this as a buffet: pick only what you want or are willing to try; eat only as much or as little of whatever it is you want; leave what you don’t want; come back for second and third helpings of the things you like.

 

We believe that no matter where we currently are on our journey towards healing and recovery, we are ALL seriously interested in finding relief while we struggle to reclaim our lives and to move forward in a way that is uniquely and personally meaningful. Mourning and coming to understand the traumatic things we’ve experienced is an essential part of the healing process and so it is our desire to support and encourage as many as possible in that very personal endeavor.

 

Some persons may want support and assistance in letting go of many strongly programmed fears connected with religion and spirituality. Others may be hoping to pursue new and healthier spiritual avenues while allowing themselves to discover how they can free themselves from old programmed fears. We offer many kinds of resources and support along whichever route you personally find most comfortable and appealing. We hold unconditional positive regard for everyone.

 

One last thought: In English, the word spirituality can cause great confusion. For several centuries it has been used and misused and carries at least two distinctly separate meanings. The way in which we use the word isn’t about spirit beings, God, or religion. We use it to mean caring for one’s OWN INNER spirit of calmness, hopefulness, compassion, joy, and peace. That’s why we’ve made it our resolve to never again allow religion to get in the way of our spirituality.

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44 Responses to Home: Our Mission- Who Are We?

  1. jacqueline says:

    Hi Tina and thank you for your comment. I don’t have a New World Translation anymore the silver bullet’s writing is too small for me, can’t see it. So thank you for bringing out the info that you conversed with the other website. I hope you and they can talk and get it straightened out.

    I myself never quiver over a single word as often in Hebrew it can mean a couple of things like our English words can and the tone used also’
    But you were very thorough and it gives a lot of insight.

    President Trump rules over the United States even when He is visiting another country and even if he got on the space shuttle and went to visit the moon. He has authority over the United States, but also he actually lived on US soil, so the word doesn’t really, in my opinion, change the thought of the authority. In this case, to me, one word doesn’t have that much impact.

    I see the scriptures teach that Jesus will be given the throne of David (luke 1:32).

    He will sit on the throne of David and rule: Isa 9:7 Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.

    The twelve apostles will sit on (12) thrones, during his reign. Matt. 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    John 14 chapter and 17 chapter seems to indicate that the Church will eventually end up in heaven as I see it.

    I just understand that during the 1,000-year reign He will Indeed Come Again as he said to rule from heaven and not come AGAIN as he came before would be an untruth.

    The Jewish nation will accept him as Messiah and the entire world will visibly and physically SEE him. Not with the eyes of discernment, not in 1874 or 1914 invisibly, but every eye will see him. Rev. 1:7.

    In fact, Revelation shows him actually riding on a White horse with the heavenly host and his raised and changed ones to the EARTH and he speaks with the sword of his mouth.

    I don’t mean to debate the doctrine of 144,0000 special ones believing they will sit on 144,000 thrones in heaven but simply what the Bible says as I see it.
    We did discuss this on Thursday night and Dave posted it. Also, Lee Anthony put more scriptural text. There isn’t any more I can say about it.

    But I would like to hear maybe instead of a word, other scriptures that say Jesus will rule during the thousand years from heaven with the 144,000. I was formally taught this by reasoning and using the 24 elders as representing 144,000 but I have never seen any scriptures that actually say this, only the doctrine taught from long ago. Maybe you could point us to the exact scriptures of rulership being in the heavens.

    I will wait for your reply now and again thanks for commenting.
    Take Care Tina

    PS. I don’t have a problem with the New World Translation, I never read it but I do use many translations to get the correct sense. We don’t have the original.

  2. Tina Steitzer says:

    Dear Jacqueline,
    Regarding my thoughts on rev5:10;
    WILL JESUS RULE OVER OR ON THE EARTH?
    Here are a few thoughts to reason on.
    Revelation 5:10 and “EPI”: “On” or “Over”?

    According to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Revelation 5:10 reads:

    “and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule over[Gk ‘epi’]the Earth.”

    Surprisingly, we have come across a website that calls the New World Translation’s rendering of the Greek word ‘epi’ by “over” as a “mistranslation”, even calling upon their readers to check that this is so with regard to other translations and Greek Lexicons, though none are cited to justify this criticism!

    Following is an e-mail we sent in this matter to the owner of that website:

    “Dear Sir,

    We were interested to see that you call the New World Translation’s rendering of ‘epi’ as “over” at Revelation 5:10 as a “mistranslation”. Our question is why?

    The following translations also translate “epi” here as over:

    The New Testament in the Language of the People–C.B.Williams
    The New Testament in Modern Speech–Weymouth
    The Holy Scriptures, A New Translation from the Original Languages–Darby
    The Complete Bible in Modern English–Fenton
    The Holy Bible,A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals–Knox
    The Modern Language Bible-New Berkeley Version
    The Bible, An American Translation–Goodspeed.
    The Amplified Bible
    The Unvarnished New Testament–Gaus.
    Holy Bible, An American Translation– W.F.Beck.
    Compare also Marshall’s Interlinear which says under the word ‘epi’ at Rev.5:10 – “on(?over)”
    See also these well known Greek-English Lexicons:

    A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Arndt and Gingrich(p.286)– b.fig.-a.over of power,authority,control of or over someone or someth…….Rv 5:10. and
    The New Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament(p.231)–A.with the GENITIVE…. d.fig.used of things,affairs persons,which one is set over,over which he exercises power…..Rev.[5].10.
    Can you still call the New World Translation’s rendering here, in all fairness, a “mistranslation”? Are you not being guilty of misleading some of your readers who will not bother to check up your statements for themselves and just accept what you have alleged? Are we to expect that this ‘example’ of a “mistranslation” by the New World Translation will now be removed from your web pages?

    Cordially Yours ……………………..

    As yet we have had no answer and the said criticism still appears on the site.

    When “epi” is used with a verb denoting authority/rulership then “epi” indicates the compass of that authority/rulership. If a search is made of the Greek N.T. where “basileuw[to reign as a king]epi” occurs(as it does in Revelation 5:10)you will be able to see that in every case “epi” means “over”, eg., Luke 1:33; Acts7:18.

    Interestingly, Micah 4:7LXX contains the same verb “to reign as a king” with the prepositions “epi” and “en” and is translated by Brenton as “and the Lord shall reign over[basileuw epi] them in[en] mount Zion.”

    Two commentaries that support the rendering of EPI as “over.”

    1) Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible of Jamieson, Fausset and Brown:

    “…KELLY translates, “reign over the earth” (Greek, “epi tees gees”), which is justified by the Greek (Septuagint, Judges 9:8, Matthew 2:22). The elders, though ruling over the earth, shall not necessarily (according to this passage) remain on the earth….”

    Note here that translating EPI at Revelation 5:10 as “over” is “justified by the Greek.”

    2) John Wesley’s Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible comments on Revelation 5:10.

    “And hast made them – The redeemed. So they speak of themselves also in the third person, out of deep self – abasement. They shall reign over the earth – The new earth: herewith agree the golden crowns of the elders. The reign of the saints in general follows, under the trumpet of the seventh angel; particularly after the first resurrection, as also in eternity, Revelation 1:18; 15:7; 20:4; 22:5; Dan 7:27; Psa 49:14.”

    Notice “They shall reign over the earth”?

    Two recent Bible translations also have “over” for “epi” here at Revelation 5:10.They being the Complete Jewish Bible by David H. Stern(1998) and The Message, The Bible in Contemporary Language (2002)by Eugene H. Peterson. Also, we note that The New Testament, Recovery Version(Revised edition, 1991, Living Stream Ministry)though it has “on the earth” has a footnote that says “Or, over.”

    One might point to Rev.5:3 and 5.13 where the same Greek words, namely, EPI THS GHS, literally, “on the earth,” occur and so this points to the same meaning for EPI in 5.10. However in both these scriptures BASILENW, “to reign,” is absent and also in both there are clear expressions that indicate that location is here meant for in both v.3 and v.13 there is “But neither(v.3)/And every creature(v.13) in heaven ….nor underneath the earth…” which expressions are absent from v.10 where EPI THS GHS occur. It would be poor exegesis then to simply point out that in verses 3 and 13 of the same chapter that EPI THS GHS occurs and yet place this truth over the more applicable truths as given above. Also, just because GHS, “earth” can refer to a place as well as a group of people(here in Revelation 5.10 to the ‘earthly society of humans’ whom these kings and priests will rule “over)does not mean that the meaning of “earth” here is ambiguous. The point of vv.9, 10 is not where these “kings” will rule but whom over they will for these “kings” are those who have been “bought…for God” and from “every tribe and tongue and people and nation” and these kings will rule “over” these or the remnants of these. The same thought is given in Revelation 2.26 where we can read “To everyone[Gk; AUTW lit. “him”)that conquers and continues to do my work to the end, I will give authority over[Gk; EPI] the nations.”-New Revised Standard Version.

    Clearly then, those translations that translate EPI as “over” at Revelation 5.10 are the more accurate in conveying the meaning of the original.

  3. Lee Anthony says:

    “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

    Behold, he comes with the clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they which have pierced him, and all the tribes of the land shall wail because of him. Yea. Amen.

    “I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! With the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One.

    So also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation.”

    Acts 1:11 the phrase, “in the same manner” when translated from the original language literally means “the same way.” Secondly, Scripture does not say that every eye will see Him at the same time. Even so, for any organization to say that Jesus could not appear to everyone at the same time, they are limiting YHVH and using human reasoning. After all even man has the technology to beam TV broadcasts instantaneously and simultaneously all around the globe with satellites for all to see. YHVH’s ability is much, much greater than this or than we can even imagine. (2Chronicles 2:6, 1Corinthians 2:9)

    When using God’s Word the Bible, the weight of the greater number of available evidence clearly says that Jesus’ return is visible, it’s audible and it will be literal! There are hundreds of prophecies regarding Jesus that have been fulfilled, and they have been fulfilled literally. In Mark 13:26

    He was hidden by a cloud, that is true but the angel said they would see him return just as he left, he went up into the clouds and according to revelation and also Jesus own words he would be seen coming with the clouds. It wasn’t about him being hidden but about his going and coming the angel mentioned to the apostles. If all the scriptures in Daniel, Matt, Luke; Rev, are taken as they are without adding too or taking away from the original thought then we have some very clear and plain explanation of it.

  4. Lee Anthony says:

    Hi,
    We have no religious creed or set of rules that we have to convince others to adhere to. We do agree on only on the things that the Bible without a doubt says, such as there will be a resurrection of the dead. I don’t think any of us are Sadducces though if any are out there they are free to share as well. All are free to take information posted from the many sources and to make their own decisions on a matter. God will ultimately lead us to a conclusive end if the spirit moves us.
    I remember when we studied this idea of kings and priests and the ruler ship. It wasn’t exactly this that we went over but similar. One thought is that the older manuscripts that are most often used say kings and priests while the other says kingdom of priests. The thought is a bit different, but the wording don’t really change the intent. There will be a kingdom and Jesus will be its king. If we are priests or kings and priests or just a citizen does it really change our salvation? Jesus mentions there will be positions, he said that there will be those who are greater and those who are least in the kingdom but the fact is they will still be in the kingdom. Not Everyone will get to wear a crown or sit on a throne. I’d be happy to hold a cup and serve the least of those who inhabit this place which is said to come down out of heaven.
    Serving a just king is the greatest honor a citizen of a kingdom can have, yet most who have the higher positions are not of this mindset and often abuse their position of authority. It will not be so in the kingdom ruled by Yeshua, I am confident those wearing crowns and robes will be rightfully chosen and will be exactly where they are supposed to be.
    Matt 5:19)
    Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

  5. Ted R (Bible Student) says:

    Here is a link to a PDF copy of the Book of Enoch
    http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

  6. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I haven’t been able to post all the alerts I got on Israel and this has been building up now for a month. My big computer is down I just sent all the alerts to Henry to post.
    The impeachment thing over here is a smokescreen I think by Satan with the news media and people are not aware. I read Israel News everyday almost. Things might get bad quick.
    Tomorrow they will have all eyes on Trump’s trial. Christians will be watching what is lining up in Israel. Israel named a facility for Trump for indigent young people. This was in honor of his moving US concerns to naming them as the capital. ( can’t remember the exact thing he did, brain freeze.
    I am about to send them to you by email. I am not able to copy and paste now.

  7. Lee Anthony says:

    Israel killed a major leader of an Islamic group and since yesterday as a result over 150 rockets have been launched at them. News

  8. jacqueline says:

    Lee so for clarity are you saying about the time of his Return or did you mean the casting out happened when the nation of Israel gave birth to a son (rev 12)? I am referring to this statement (It makes some sense that it could have been about the time of his return.)

    Funny, just yesterday Henry and I were discussing the scripture you quoted Saturday and said it could have happened while he was on earth also.
    For one thing, I don’t believe Jesus is Michael, I believe Michael is a Powerful Angelic creature, maybe a Cherub because Satan is a Cherub. So equals fighting each other.

    Michael is always presented to us as a warrior. Jesus is not a mear angel but a King and speaks, the sword comes out of his mouth, He is next to Jehovah in power.

    Because my answer is long and I think this should be an article so we can discuss revelation go here to see what I am writing as an answer back to you then others can come in on this.

    https://askjacqueline.life/revelation-thoughts/

    I will also alert a friend of mine who is studying the book of Revelation with some friends and see what he says.

    Also glad we aren’t using dates either because Jesu told us to look for signs and so we know the season.
    If satan could figure out the date he would be ready. But at a time that he does not expect it Jesus will return.

    Also, could you place your reply on the revelation article in the mentioned link so we can start a revelation discussion? Thanks

  9. Lee Anthony says:

    Jacqueline,
    I have been reading more into satan being cast down and want some of your thoughts on what I have found interesting. Jesus mentioned satan being ruler of this world in john 14:30 as we know. Something I noticed he also said I didnt pay attention to before is in (john 16:11)
    “and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
    And (john 12:31)
    Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
    Jesus was preparing his disciples for his upcoming death. He had been on earth now 33 or so years and was soon to be lifted up into heaven after accomplishing the greatest part of Gods plan. My thinking, what better time for satan to start mess while Jesus, the 2nd most powerful being in the universe, was on earth and not in heaven. Well if this is part of judgement that satan be thrown down woe to the earth indeed. I then went and read (rev. Chap. 12) and I think it goes with these verses quite well, specifically (vs. 5-10). Think about timeline of Jesus death and return to heaven in power and glory and what he mentioned to the 12 about satan and his being cast out in john and matt. It makes some sense that it could have been about the time of his return. Think of what vs. 5-10 are saying along with the rest and let me know what you think.
    I dont like times and dates but this is interesting to consider non the less.

  10. jacqueline says:

    Chris if that is what you saw it must have detected a word it needed to check and see if it was on the blacklist.
    I have not read your reply to Henry yet so I don’t know.
    But I do want to advise you to get control because attacks will not be tolerated on this site. You may and anyone else may answer or comment but angry rants can’t be tolerated.

  11. jacqueline says:

    Chris, I am the only one that controls that aspect of the site as Super Administrator. I don’t delete people posts. I have been decorating dollhouses all day and not touched a comment or viewed the site for hours. However you would be shocked to your core if you saw the hundreds of posts that are sitting in the unapproved section of Friends of Jehovah witnesses, a Bible Student website. They were taken down before you got out of bed and not by me. Quite a few dealt with the racism of Charles Taze Russell. But we didn’t get as concerned. I don’t know why this bothers you so much. Perhaps you could explain it, please.
    Also, you aren’t aware of the emails and snail mail sent, are you? Our discussion came straight from a Bible Student discussion email sent to me and I shared it with others.
    You are not the center of all things said, in fact, we never really thought of how hurt you would be and neither did the many Bible Students on the discussion.
    Please respect their rights and ours to answer back.

    Also, I just read your reply to Henry and wasn’t aware of some of the things you mentioned. Thanks for the additions.
    Thank you

  12. Chris Johns says:

    Forgive me. The site shows it was removed but when I posted it it showed it again. I don’t know what’s going on on the site. Forgive me for the assumption.

  13. Chris Johns says:

    Where did my post go? Wow. No different than the Watchtower society. Facts stand on their own and since they had to be deleted shows that facts don’t matter. And shutting down different opinions is no different than the Jehovah’s witnesses shutting down different views. Those were facts. Backed up with quotes. If you don’t like them then that’s your business. But shutting them down is no different than the JWs. I proved Russell wasn’t racist and since it didn’t fit your narrative it got deleted.

  14. Chris Johns says:

    Henry,
    I think you should read the full context of the “racist” quotes you attribute to Russell you’d see that it isn’t what you think. For example when Jacqueline quoted the Watch Tower on race I went back and read them.

    1. “Can the Ethiopian change his skin?” If you read this this was not Russell but was a LETTER from a Reader named F.A Howard. Russell didn’t control everything in the magazine and didn’t agree with everything written.

    2. The Photo-drama Colored brethren sat separately? Again this was not Russell who wrote this. This was arrangement that was last minute due to opposition. The article explicitly says many white people were offended by the arrangement. Russell in another article said he loves black brethren as white brethren and in no way discriminates

    Quote from the article. “Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc.“

    Rather that googling arguments like atheists do why not read articles in their entirety. I find it sad that you’ve written off Russell because of what some elders have done and not researching but googling antirussell things and not going further into it.

    Also I attend an ecclesia where I’m the only white one. The rest (10) are black. I’ve asked their opinions on the race thing and they said it will in no way changes the divine plan and that they don’t worship Russell.

    Many look at Russell’s past and charge it against him. If we all did this than the apostle that denied Jesus three times and Moses and Samson and Solomon and David would not be good examples for nor types of Jesus. Does the divine plan change just because he made mistakes? No.

    I know many of you have completely rejected Russell but let’s be honest without him we would be with the rest of the nominal church believing in hell fire in trinity and in immortality of the soul and no paradise earth and some seven-year tribulation with an Antichrist.

    I know Some who say they havn’t read the reprints but if they did instead of googling arguments against Russell she would see that a lot of what she’s questioning and attacking is already been discussed in the watchtower.

    I know they say that Russell have an affair with a little girl but that’s not true. When Russell was sitting at the end of the bed with that girl her father had just died and she was 10 years old. But Russell‘s wife was on such a vendetta for feminism and didn’t like that he wouldn’t give her a piece of the watchtower to publish feminist articles that she sought to divorce him. But instead we’re going to go online and believe whatever else has to say about it.

  15. jacqueline says:

    We as humans are confronted with so much deception from Religions (man’s way he decides to worship God) but it is comforting to see that all of us have the Bible. All, including the SL Johnson followers and followers of Russell and many others all confess Christ as their redeemer. And that is all we can do. Witnesses, Bible students and some other of the date setting religions say they have the “Truth”. But according to the Bible, believers in Christ and the word of God have the truth at their disposal also. I don’t really think that much about Russell’s writings or what his thoughts are, nor the witnesses now that I realize the Holy Spirit dwells in us and those men had no more or less than any of believers who have the Spirit.
    I don’t see the 49 names nor Russell’s name in the Bible, he is just one of the many Christians, but unfortunately, his followers worship his words and books, thus giving a man undue attention. But that is not the worst thing in the world and not really that important.
    Christopher, there is so much in the Bible I have learned that I don’t have time to go back 100 years and studiously for decades and a century go over and over one man’s thoughts. There are so many more thoughts plus our own. ALL must conform to scriptures.

    Psalm 25:5 Lead me in your truth and teach me, for you are the God of my salvation; for you I wait all the day long.

    Psalm 43:3 Send out your light and your truth; let them lead me; let them bring me to your holy hill and to your dwelling!

    Psalm 86:11 Teach me your way, O LORD, that I may walk in your truth; unite my heart to fear your name.
    Matthew 22:16 And they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are true and teach the way of God truthfully, and you do not care about anyone’s opinion, for you are not swayed by appearances.

    John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

    The notion that the date setters of the 19th- 20th century had the only truth does not agree with the Bible therefore it is to just be ignored and move on to just the Bible which with the Holy Spirit is opened up. It isn’t as difficult as we were led to believe. I would never read the watchtower or the Studies in the Scriptures anymore.

  16. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    The Epiphany Messenger is Paul S.L Johnson. The regular Bible Students believe in only 7 messengers. The Laymen’s believe in 49. They believe Russell was the Parousia Messenger and that Johnson was the Epiphany’s messenger. Notice at the top of the question it says all scriptures are from KJV yet there aren’t any. 🤦‍♂️ They have two books in the “Epiphany Studies in the Scriptures” entitled “The Parousia Messenger” and the “The Epiphany Messenger” in which they have TON of types and antitypes showing that the my are the messengers. Even Russell didn’t believe he alone was “that servant.”
    Even Russell in R4483 said that “that servant” is a class and not a single person. I don’t blame Russell for the cult that followed him.

  17. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, I rest my case. The many offshoot religions, factions, etc of Russell’s religious teachings all herald him as the Laodicean Messenger and worship him in speech as far as I can see it. Some countries can’t navigate the entire web so I posted what it says at your link. Thank you

    EPIPHANY MESSENGER – WHAT POSITION IN LITTLE FLOCK?

    Scriptures are cited from the King James (Authorized) Version, unless stated otherwise.

    Question: What position will the Epiphany Messenger occupy in the Little Flock?

    Answer: According to the Scriptures, “that servant” is the one at our Lord’s right hand, and the Apostle Paul is the one at His left, for the Bible shows that Paul, the leading brother of the Jewish Harvest, will have charge, under our Lord acting through “that servant” of the 12,000 who will be the chief ones of the 144,000. The other eleven Apostles will each have under his charge, under the Lord Jesus acting through “that servant,” of the other eleven parts of the 144,000, that is, the other eleven parts of the antitypical temple.

    It would seem that the Epiphany Messenger would come next in rank after the twelve Apostles in the Kingdom, having charge under our Lord acting through “that servant” of the Great Company and Youthful Worthies. The angel of the church of Laodicea consists of “that servant” and the Epiphany Messenger; and these as the seventh angel of Revelation will trumpet forth the Truth as the seventh trumpet the whole thousand years. “That servant,” under our Lord, will give the Truth pertinent to the twelve parts of the antitypical tabernacle and the Epiphany Messenger will give the Truth pertinent to the Great Company and the Youthful Worthies during that period.

    Jesus stating that the Twelve who followed Him, St. Paul taking the place of Judas, would sit upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of spiritual Israel and through them judging, ruling, over the twelve tribes of Millennial Israel; and the twelve gates of heavenly Jerusalem also prove that the twelve Apostles will be superior to anyone else in the Kingdom apart from our Lord and “that servant.” The Epiphany Messenger’s place, according to the above will be that of the fourteenth individual under our Lord in the Kingdom.

  18. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    Want to see creature worship. The LHMM Bible Students say Russell sits are Jesus right hand. Here’s proof.

    https://epiphanytruthexaminer.com/e6.html

  19. jacqueline says:

    Lee Anthony, I was told by more than one elder or men at the General Convention that God seems to be with the Arian Race now sister Jacqueline. It was almost hostile by some. Another sister of color was subjected to hateful speech at her ecclesia, I heard of some black sister being referred to as Where are my Nigresses at this convention.

    Tonight we have recent correspondence from among the Bible Student brothers who are appalled at these things and have some encouraging words. One Bible Student brothers came on our Saturday call in and had received the same treatment but are now thriving among brothers that are considering just the Bible on Revelation.

    So, I see a pattern here of the Holy Spirit it seems to push us to just God, Christ and the Bible only. And you see we are doing fine!

    This discussion and learning from the Bible only have brought me to my knees in the presence of God!

    God is still on the throne and pulling people out from these organizations to show us what He has really said in the Bible. Sorry, He has to punch us to get away from words of men to the WORD of GOD. But the Spirit does what works.

  20. Christopher Johns says:

    Lee,
    I believe the way they treat people is a trial. I know I’m much stronger than many. I couldn’t care less what they say about me. They didn’t call me. Russell wrote about how dealing with the brethren is a trail in and of itself. Let’s them say what they want. Some meet online with brethren. If they ever told me that I needed to be baptized or they wouldn’t accept me then so be it. They didn’t call me. I will not leave what I believe the truth is or judge the truth based on what men say. If they don’t want me there then I’ll study by myself. But I don’t judge Russell or my beliefs based on what the brethren think. I’m shunned by my old Kingdom Hall and I couldn’t care less that when I visit that they don’t say anything to me. I’m not there for them. So tough. My ecclesia isn’t like that. If they were I’d sit there and say nothing. You’d have to put me out to get me to stop going. Some have been told that they aren’t welcome at the convention. Well I’m sorry you didn’t call me. So I’ll be there until the police show up.

  21. Lee Anthony says:

    My wife left JW after me, and she was baptised a bible student. They seemed shocked when asked where she learned the truth and she said from me. They never accepted me since I would not “consecrate” aka be baptised as one of them. The treatment shown her and to me after traveling all over to conventions and through her meetings with the ecclesisa pushed her away after I left myself same as JW’s. Unfortunately the treatment was similar from both sides just under different circumstances. They no longer invite me yet they still invite her and she declines yet they dont seem to understand why. Love is not conditional yet amongst groups like Jw’s and so far almost all bible students we’ve met it certainly has conditions added to it. Her family and some other Jw’s finally cut her off cause they now tell them to not associate with inactive ones. We may as well be disellowshipped now. Its sad, we only dont formally disassociate cause of her family. As for bible students, they are treating us just as bad now, unfortunately most dont know how to act cause my wife is black, we find it almost entertaining. It dont bother us though… Anyways, there are some amongst both groups who are Real, but they are few and far between. My Ecclesia is the group here on the calls 2wice a week and we travel to join together for memorial. I have found no other fellowship quite as real, even the nominal systems we have tried do not know what unconditional love actually is. The world is getting so very bad even amongst the Christian groups. Jesus said to keep on the watch and he told us what to watch for. My eyes are certainly open

  22. Marjo says:

    God heals! Amen to that!

    Last night I was listening of this heaven7 tv show online. It was Finnish version of it, but it confirmed my thoughts of that nurse I met that she was sent to help me to find the right place. Here is the English version of this site

    https://www.heaventv7.com/

    Sweden:
    https://www.himlentv7.se/

    Finnish, Russia and other languages
    https://www.tv7.fi/netti-tv/

  23. jacqueline says:

    Marjo I had good news from my doctor yesterday also. Blood pressure 113/65, I have never had high blood pressure but with so much activity I expected odd results. I have not had another stroke! All of my MRI results were unremarkable, totally clear. sometimes we go through rough patches but there is always a silver lining in there.
    Christians in some parts of the world are being beheaded for Christ. Other parts extreme stress is used to take us out or sickness with family. It is futility. Only God can end this curse on mankind on the day he has determined to end it and say enough!

    Romans 8:20: “For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope”

    I enjoyed reading about your experience. I too am finding others are just as or more loving than we were told. We were made to fear the “Worldly” people when God has subjected all humanity together.
    We have been studying the fruits of the Spirit and each time we talk to each other we find out one or the other has purposely applied these fruits. When formally I just read them and never thought about consciously seeking ways to act out these fruitages. I will go so far as to say I had never had the witness of the spirit before escaping. Sad I know but the truth. Enjoying my grands and so glad the governing body attempts to destroy families is failing. God is more powerful at moving hearts. He is still on the throne.
    Also, I am beginning to understand our relationship to Jesus and Jehovah now. We were created by and for them, in their image, so we sort of deal with things like they would.
    My dog is here to protect me and sound an alarm if someone comes on the property. And I in turn love feed and cherish him, provide for all his needs and love to see him enjoy everything.
    But I have rules, I have taught him not to run off the property barking at people and every dog that barks. He obeys that well. He has gone to obedience school so is well trained. Now with the kids here he tries to skirt my rules and revert to primal instincts. I punish him and restrict him because I know he can obey. He is my dog.
    We belong to Jehovah and Jesus, they created us with free will but with boundaries. I see now why Jehovah has to be firm and if we don’t listen as Adam and Eve didn’t, to let us see for ourselves that without him we simply can’t exist for eternity. We belong to him as created persons. Got to go now and entertain the grands.

  24. Marjo says:

    Hello Jackie! Its great that you can have time with your grandchildren. It seems like that God is responding to our prayers when we dont expect it. Have a great time and enjoy.

  25. jacqueline says:

    Hello everyone, I am enjoying my blessings from God a visit by my grandchildren for over a week and I will visit with them for a week. I prayed for it and He answered in a big way because He is a rich big God! So I am out of action for a bit.

    Reading all the comments and enjoying.

  26. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Romans 15:7 So welcome each other, just as the Messiah has welcomed you into God’s glory. 8 For I say that the Messiah became a servant of the Jewish people in order to show God’s truthfulness by making good his promises to the Patriarchs, 9 and in order to show his mercy by causing the Gentiles to glorify God — as it is written in the Tanakh,

    “Because of this I will acknowledge you among the Gentiles
    and sing praise to your name.”[b]

    10 And again it says,

    “Gentiles, rejoice with his people.”[c]

    11 And again,

    “Praise Adonai, all Gentiles!
    Let all peoples praise him!”[d]

    12 And again, Yesha‘yahu says,

    “The root of Yishai (Jesse) will come,
    he who arises to rule Gentiles;
    Gentiles will put their hope in him.”[e]

    13 May God, the source of hope, fill you completely with joy and shalom as you continue trusting, so that by the power of the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) you may overflow with hope.
    Throughout the book of Romans Paul makes it clear that Christians and Jews are united is serving Yahweh. As gentiles we were grafted into the olive tree. We share the same hope. Jehovah’s Witnesses as well as some main stream religions use replacement theology declaring the prophecies regarding the nation of Israel apply to them. They declare that Christ abandoned the Jews because they rejected him. But notice what Christ himself says: Luke 13:35 New International Version (NIV)
    35 Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again UNTIL YOU SAY ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[a]”
    The nation of Israel has been under divine punishment as prophesied. But the Scriptures are clear that they will at some point finally accept Christ. Our Lord will not allow his people to be exterminated when the great tribulation brings the attack on his people. Christ will return in his glory and save that nation!
    Romans 11 New International Version (NIV)
    The Remnant of Israel
    1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.
    11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
    Because we have been grafted in, we have become spiritual Jews, circumcised in the heart, the Torah engraved within us., not on stone but through grace and Holy Spirit
    Soon our Lord will come in all his glory for the salvation of his chosen ones, those Jew’s and Gentiles who have united together in service to Christ.
    John 10:16
    New International Version
    I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
    These other sheep are not a secondary Christian class as Jehovah’s Witness’s proclaim.
    When Jesus spoke these words the Gentiles were not yet part of his sheep. He was sent to the nation of Israel. Only after he sent Peter to Cornelius was the door opened for the Gentiles to be grafted into and become one with his chosen people. When we look at the prophecies in the Scriptures we can see this is plain Scriptural truth! We have no need to play games of symbolism and interpretation! Paul makes it plain in his book to the Romans. We have the prophecies in Ezekial, Isaiah, and others. We have the words of Jesus himself that, although they broke his heart and had to be punished, the way was still open for all those of fleshly Israel to join him and become part of his one flock with him as their shepherd.
    What a glorious God we have!

  27. jacqueline says:

    I was just asked what is a Berean Bible Study as opposed to being a religion.

    My answer was, as the Thessalonians and the Boreans refused to accept a new understanding without holding it up to the Bible, we too will search the scriptures diligently with prayer for Holy Spirit to see if a matter is true.

    Sometimes the Spirit helps you see it is time to listen to other voices not just the doctrines and long held beliefs of the groups that sprang up after and along side the ” Miller Movement”. These odd beliefs sound so good but Jesus actually warned against these groups, anticipating their arrival.

    Matt 24:3-8 appears to warn that deceivers would come and say Christ is invisible to us; but they have been told by him that He has come.

    “disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.”
    World war and the French Revolution were not signs Jesus said but a beginning of birth pains only!

    Many endtime dates for the end of our age is built around deception as Jesus said. It seems he knew about the great influence of the Miller Movement with new thought religions like, Seventh Day Adventist, Bible Students, Christadelphians, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and many more little off shoots when their prophecies failed.

    These men didn’t appear to be deliberate deceivers but with the limited knowledge of the time and some arrogance they went against Jesus stated words.

    ” Matt. 24:36, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”

    They thought they could figure out the date, but not the Son of God who knew every old testament date and said himself “I don’t know it”.

    So this is my answer to why we study and aren’t keeping silent about the “Captives of a concept” doctrine of 1914, 1843 and 1874, 1925,1975 and now the Bible Students are projecting still another date 2038. They aren’t learning from the past, so are doomed to repeat it.

    Abuse has resulted from these strict adherence to doctrines of men!

    Abuse has a best friend! His name is “SILENCE”!shhhhhh!

  28. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    I love this post. I got it off of Facebook but it says it all:

    Cristãos Bereanos
    Admin · February 16
    Secondhand “Faith”

    Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God (Romans 14:22).

    Many, if not most of those in professing Christendom have secondhand “faith.”

    It can be a wonderful thing when others share their “faith” with us; but sadly much of what many believe was simply passed to them by others, untested and unproven. The only way for faith truly to be ours is for us to go to the Scriptures themselves, to be convinced by them.

    Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth (II Timothy 2:15).

    Note carefully Paul’s words, “Study to show thyself …” and earlier, “Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God.”

    God has called us into an individual faith before Himself. No one has the right to tell us what to believe, or to provide us with creeds or doctrinal statements. Our faith is to be personal, without constraint, without manipulation.

    Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand (II Corinthians 1:24).

    The walk of faith truly begins with freedom from the bondage of religious dominion, and finds its completion standing alone before God by personal faith. Embrace this true liberty: freedom from religion, to freedom of faith – the freedom to follow your own heart of faith wherever God may lead.

    Being strong in such personal faith is what brings glory to the Father.

    He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God (Romans 4:20).

    Do not settle for secondhand “faith,” for that is not truly faith at all – or at least it is not faith in God and in His Word – it is merely faith in men and their words. We must not merely go on what we have heard, or on our preconceived notions and supposition. God desires us to have a faith all our own, so that we may know and believe first-hand what He has said; for faith is simply taking God at His Word.

    Don’t be caught up in the mimicry of a secondhand “faith.” Dare to believe God and His Word for yourself!

  29. jacqueline says:

    Hello John and welcome. TedR expressed it well. I would first believe the child. Normally children don’t lie about abuse. They will only tell once thinking the adult will get them out of the situation. Be cautious because the abuser is killing entire families now including children rather than suffer exposure. If in the US you can ask for a detective first before calling the police. You must make sure the child can be safe along with others in that household. This is general info here because I don’t know if it is the elders child or a congregant. If a congregant call the Police! Then tell the parents. Telling the parents first, sometimes they go into denial and punish the child.
    Give us more info please.
    PS: sorry not to answer quickly, I am in the car with JW family going home after having a stroke 2 months ago while visiting.
    Let’s hear more so others can understand how to act appropriately.
    I was a witness 62 years, then associated with the Bible Students for 8 years. Now it is as Ted said, I am simply a Christian that understand now that you can go directly to God thru Jesus. I associate and listen to others on what they glean from the scriptures with help only from the Holy Spirit. Again welcome. Take Care

  30. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Hi John
    I’m sure Sister Jacqueline will answer as well but I just wanted to say first of all, welcome! No John we are not Jehovah’s Witnesses but most of us have come out of the Witnesses, many for the same reasons you just asked about. Because of their misguided interpretation of certain Scriptures regarding the necessity of two witnesses to a crime they have allowed the abuse of children and have failed to report these type of occurrences to authorities. We do not condone these actions! The Bible is clear regarding the worship of idols and we would not want to belong to any church who actively does this. We are not members of any particular denomination. We are simply a group of Christians who study the Bible and put it above any man made publication. We do not follow any leader but Christ! I hope this helps answer your question and we hope you continue to come on and share more about yourself.

  31. John says:

    Dear Jaqueline,

    if an elder is misusinga child, not saying the truth , supports worshipping idols

    whatwould you do with him ? Are you a JW ?

  32. traveler says:

    But Who really is a Christian?

    This is the topic for this post I think. Is it a wonder that given the concept expressed in the Bible that few, only a remnant are saved, means that the general population of those looking have a wrong idea or two. It’s because of this that the Bible says “if the time had not been cut short no flesh could be saved.”

    (Matthew 7:13, 14) . . .Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.

    But Who really is a Christian?

    (Matthew 7:7, 8) . . .Keep on asking, and it will be given YOU; keep on seeking, and YOU will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to YOU. 8 For everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened. . .

    (John 17:3) . . .This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. . .
    Obviously accurate or you really would not know them.

    Where have the Jews gone that the promises were given to?

    (Romans 2:29) . . .But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God. . .

    (1 John 2:20, 21) And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge. 21 I write YOU, not because YOU do not know the truth, but because YOU know it, and because no lie originates with the truth.

    This concept of who are the followers of Jesus is really quite simple to understand. Jesus was anointed king of the true Jews by God and presented himself to the “nation” of Israel. When the nation of Israel as a provision rejected Jesus, this “nation”, the “old builders” were then rejected permanently by God. Jesus left and the true Jews followed him. There were no true Jews left in the “nation” of Israel.
    After Armageddon when Christ rules over the twelve tribes during the thousand years of peace, there will be only true Jews under their king Jesus, now no longer “the word of God” but the “Amen of God”.

    By Paul’s day there was a great difference between the common use of the description “Jew” and what it actually referred to. In Galatians 3:28 he points this out by saying that it was incorrect to use the term “Jew” to refer to nationality, and why he combined Greek with Jew, slave with freeman, male with female; those that followed Jesus were all true Jews and Abraham’s seed. The distinguishing characteristic was that these were all circumcised of heart; they were made Jews by the condition of their heart due to their frame of mind, that of being under Yahweh’s influence, not the condition of their flesh. These true Jews followed Jesus their king, and were later called by the vernacular term “Christians”. The Bible records the title “Christian” as appearing to be providential, but says nothing about it being God given. Remember that providential refers to a [g]od-like influence and does not make specific reference to which “god”. Also note that the Bible does not state that it was from the true “God”, Yahweh. Keep in mind that while Jesus was to reveal the truth, Satan, god of this system (2 Corinthians 4:4) is actively trying to hide it.
    Remembering this makes it easy to see that Satan could well have been responsible for the term “Christian” which is accepted by many Bible scholars as derogatory. The Jews of prophecy, God’s people needed to be hidden from the world by Satan if at all possible. One can see Satan did a good job with this attempt to rename them. Think about it. The followers of Jesus were in the middle of a nation that hated them, lending weight to this view of the title “Christian” being derogatory. Satan was misleading the world to think that all that was necessary to serve God was to be a member of an “organization” like the nation of Israel, which of course he knew would condemn mankind. This promoted misunderstanding of the term Jew along with concealing the true path, and has continued down to our very day.
    If you keep track of noteworthy men and women who held an approved frame of mind down through time, especially since Abraham, it helps to see that when it was time to be gathered together as a chosen people it was a major land mark. This “chosen people”, the true Jews, were placed under the oversight of an organization (“nation” of Israel, “old builders”) which had the responsibility to build them up as the house of God (Matthew 21:42). However, this responsibility was not carried out, and this organization, the “nation” of Israel, rejected the new king Jesus. The “nation” of Israel was then rejected by God and the true Jews along with Jesus left.
    (Galatians 3:26-29) . . .YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, [true Jews] heirs with reference to a promise. . .

    The majority of mankind believes that the nation of Israel is populated by Jews. This assumption is wrong. Remember that nationality, social circumstance or gender will not make you a Jew or a follower of Jesus, as Paul pointed out in Galatians. In Romans he explains that being a member of the nation of Israel (nationality) does not make you a Jew, nor does being able to prove you are a physical descendant of Abraham.
    An interesting thing to note is Paul does not seem to realize that within his own explanation of who really is a Jew, he establishes that he was himself not a Jew until he expressed faith in Jesus as the son of God. The realization that there was a path that had existed before the nation arrived, and had briefly passed through the nation of Israel while they were to be the “builders” of the house of God, the true Jews, must have been the basis for Paul’s considerations. He now had an overview with the information revealed by Jesus. Yes there were true Jews that could be save from the provision the “nation” and Paul does refer to the synagogue of the Jew’s, these places of warship were built as a place for the true Jews. Also remember as many Bible writers who wrote under inspiration he obviously did not get the full depth of his own writing as we can now through the use of the spirit of understanding in this the time of the end.
    Mankind was now in the process of becoming “ adopted sons of God”. The true Jews were now to become the “sons of God” through Jesus their king and messiah by receiving that which was promised, the token of adoption. Jesus was the provision sent by God with the “good news” that there was going to be a new administration, with him as the head. When he was rejected he left with the “remnant” of true Jews. In time, people from the nations with the right heart were added to these true Jews by a process described as “grafting”, making it possible for both those living and those who had died to be recognized as true Jews. The true Jews of Jesus’ day along with these grafted true Jews would form the twelve tribes of the thousand year reign of Christ under their Father Yahweh.

    Keep in mind that the Romans and the nation of Israel were not worried about a “way of life/lifestyle” but rather a “way” of thinking, reasoning. This helps us to understand that ideas related to the concept of “way” held by the organization of the witnesses and the world in general would be hindered by their general misconception that “way” is a reference to life style. Simply living a life style is something of which almost anyone would be capable. The Bible also mentions that it was Yahweh’s “way”, again certainly not a reference to life style.

    If you check the references, especially 1 Peter 12- 16, you will note you can see that the true Jews, true followers of Christ, were suffering under the title “Christians” as it was pointed out earlier, because they had become known by the world as “Christians”. Both the Romans and the nation of Israel used this name to identify and persecute those whose “way” of thinking was abhorrent to them.

    (1 Peter 4:12-16) Beloved ones, do not be puzzled at the burning among YOU, which is happening to YOU for a trial, as though a strange thing were befalling YOU. 13 On the contrary, go on rejoicing forasmuch as YOU are sharers in the sufferings of the Christ, that YOU may rejoice and be overjoyed also during the revelation of his glory. 14 If YOU are being reproached for the name of Christ, YOU are happy, because the [spirit] of glory, even the spirit of God, is resting upon YOU. 15 However, let none of YOU suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a busybody in other people’s matters. 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name.

    Obviously to be called by the title “Christian” was a mark of great shame among the nation of Israel and the Romans. The point here is that having left the nation of Israel the true Jews should no longer take on shame from these derogatory names. Only being accused of real acts against God, such as murder or theft was significant.

    ***it-2 cont.
    Derisive Nicknames
    From the 16th century onward, this situation posed a problem for the Reformers. Since the name Christian was being used so loosely, how could they distinguish themselves from others who claimed to be Christians?
    Often they simply acquiesced to the use of a derisive nickname given to them by their enemies. Thus theological opponents of Martin Luther, in Germany, were the ones that first applied his name to his followers, calling them Lutherans. Those associated with John Wesley, in England, were labeled Methodists because they were unusually precise and methodical in the observance of religious duties. Baptists at first resisted the nickname Anabaptist (meaning, “Rebaptizer”) but gradually adopted the name Baptist as a sort of compromise.
    This same process was likely responsible for the adoption of the title “Christian” by those with less than a clear understanding of who they were to become through “grafting”. The wolves fulfilled their predicted role.
    What about the Bible Students? They were dubbed Russellites and Rutherfordites by the clergy. But adopting such a name would have fostered a sectarian spirit. It would have been inconsistent with the reproof given to early Christians by the apostle Paul, who wrote: “When one says: ‘I belong to Paul,’ but another says: ‘I to Apollos,’ are you not simply men [that is, fleshly in outlook instead of spiritual]?” (or Christian, belonging to Jesus rather than his Father under Jesus care)(1 Cor. 3:4) Some people labeled them “Millennial Dawnists”; but Christ’s Millennial Reign was only one of their teachings. Others called them “Watch Tower People”; but that too was inappropriate, for the Watch Tower was merely one of the publications that they used to disseminate Bible truth.

    Looking at the process closer to home, Rutherford claimed the title “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to separate the 144,000, “the anointed” as he described them, from those calling themselves Christian. This title “Jehovah’s Witnesses” has never been associated with any other members within their organization or associated congregation, even though it is a popular misconception that all who associate can call themselves “Jehovah’s Witnesses”. We pointed out this fact to our then elders and the response was, “yes that was the case but the general congregation of those associating was not strong enough to be told this information”. So we can see how these things happen even in our day.

    In conclusion, a small group of people (true Jews) realize that the man Jesus is really God’s son and their new king. They live amongst a nation that has long been accustomed to God’s help and approval. This small group now tells those calling themselves “Jews”, that not only does the nation no longer have God’s approval, but the majority of the population have never been “Jews”. We can visualize the scene at the time: Man on the street, “yes, I have heard him express his “way” of thinking. He is one of those Christians, certainly not one of us, a Jew.” It seems fairly simple to see the setting and circumstance given the time period.

    Who really is a Jew? And where have they gone?
    Jesus as the last word:
    “I know . . . the blasphemy by those who say they themselves are Jews and yet they are not but are a synagogue of Satan.”—Re 2:9.

    So the last question to consider is, are you really a Christian, or a true Jew?

    Please note that this and most of our posts are cut and paste from older writings we have done, so different type fonts and scale happen. We try to update conceptual information as needs be.

  33. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    How do we recognize true Christians?
    With so much sectarianism in the Christian world how do we know we have the TRUTH? Is it from doctrine? Is it one particular religious affiliation? What does the Bible truly say? Notice how John helps answer that question. 1 John 4:
    4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
    So even in Johns day sectarianism has started to raise it’s head. So the first indicator of a true follower of Christ is that we must recognize Jesus as coming from God in the flesh. That he truly is Gods son.
    4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
    Many who claim to be Christian have fallen into the trap of worldly thinking. They feel that Jesus was just a good man or a prophet. Or they give lip service to Christ but by their actions show that they do not truly believe that he is the one who God sent to take away our sins. They fail to follow the example Christ set for us by worldly reasonings, using the grace and undeserved kindness of our Lord as an excuse for loose conduct. They go beyond Scripture by setting up legalistic rules that you must follow that although based on some Bible principles, have established a Pharisee like system of false righteousness placing a heave yoke of fear on their fellow believers.
    But notice what he says next regarding true followers of Christ!
    7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
    13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
    God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
    19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
    LOVE ONE ANOTHER! ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD!
    No mention is made here of following after the sectarian teachings of man. That you must believe this doctrine or that doctrine. We follow Christ! We follow his example of LOVE, COMPASSION and MERCY. We do this by our ACTIONS!
    James tells us: James 1:27
    Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
    Righteousness before God is not determined by our belief in a certain man or organization. It is not determined by works or doctrine. It is determined by our FAITH in our Lord and our love for him, because he loves us! It is determined by our actively following his example. We serve God out of LOVE, not fear. We are loyal to Christ, not man or mans organizations! Love of God and our fellow man is the greatest commandment!

  34. traveler says:

    It is good to hear Franz is not taken as the last word. I have a great respect for Franz although reading the Insight on the Scriptures he could have brought many greater issues to the table of the organization long before those that got him in trouble. Yes my wife and I did wait many years hoping that the organization might embrace the truths that Franz later wrote down in the Insight on the Scripture volumes, although it seems many he did not himself get the depth of . There is a very good explanation in the “Insight on the Scriptures” of the transfer of the son of God , explaining that his son emptied himself and was transferred by God into Mary to be born in slave’s form. Obviously the son did not bring his body from Heaven, or his awareness which would have made him incarnate. He was born as a human, had to go through the same process gaining awareness as we do. Even though the article mentions that it was his life force that was transferred, and on which his identity depended, stating “only in this way could the original person return to heaven, it did not follow through the obvious carrying forward of this life force through the grave and death.
    That’s why we pointed out that Franz and his writing team did not have an accurate grasp of the hope of the out- resurrection of Jesus. Yes, certainly Franz had a good mind and was a brother. But for those of us who covered enough distance to see the weakness and inaccuracy of the organization’s doctrine early in our association and would not teach these, this gives us a little different prospective on Franz. The doctrine that God from his OWN memory of you, programmed a newly created body to think like you (copy) at the time of resurrection, which is the organization’s explanation of the hope, was taught by Franz full time for many years, did for us somewhat lessen the impact that Franz was thought to have had when he did finally stand erect. This is without taking into account the many other doctrines he surly taught in doubt. Looking at the ability Franz had to think and teach he surly had an incredible effect on many lives as he preached this illogical premise for the hope of the resurrection. We are glad that before the end of his career with the organization he took a stand to help the many who are still inside this organization, even though in his book the main reason he gives for finally writing was to clear his reputation of the rumors circulating about him. It is comforting to know we are forgiven our weakness’s.

    We will get the hang of this site and start to carry on these considerations in a more appropriate place.

  35. jacqueline says:

    Traveler, welcome and thanks for your comment.
    Many have commented on what they heard read from Franz book. They can listen rather than read. Many cannot buy these books so we make them available here and they were available on the fojw site in PDF.
    We publish articles and musings from a variety of authors to let freedom seekers hear different voices. We publish other Christian authors also that stick to scripture the best they can.
    I know Franz, he landed in my Alabama Circuit. It is true he pushed for a governingbody and met with opposition.
    He won, but this giant came back to bite him in the rear when he tried to recant, admit there was no such body like the sanhedrin in early congregation.
    He made the front cover of the times with a vengeance at first but was used powerfully to expose a rotten egg among the so called Jehovah witnesses organization, ” an instead of Christ, anti, governing body”.
    Sometimes being humbled allows God to be able to use you (us) for his purpose.
    This is a website and we present information to people we think are intelligent enough to not worship anyone but God and Jesus the Christ.
    Look forward to hearing from you and I will let Brandon know you are posting. Take Call, traveler.

  36. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Traveler- No one here is following Ray Franz. His video’s are posted to help expose the false teachings and organizational controls of the Society. Since he was on the GB at one time it helps to know the inner workings, at least during his time. The purpose of this site is to help ex-JW’s understand that there is life outside of the organization and that we should not follow ANY man. We appreciate his viewpoints as we do even Russell’s as long as we can prove by Scriptural examination what he or anyone else has to say. Like the Boreans we examine everything to make sure of all things from the Scriptures. Any viewpoints expressed here by third parties is just part of our exploration. We refuse to blindly follow anyone but Christ and the Hoy Scriptures! We would like to welcome you to our forum and look forward to hearing from you.

  37. traveler says:

    Just a thought on the first video on Franz teaching.Video Answer:

    Please brothers and sisters let us not leave the worship of Russell, a long with the organization and the governing body only now to worship our brother Franz. Remember that Franz had experienced the greatest betrayal of his life and was wounded deeply, through the organization. This shook his pursuit of truth. He is responsible for writing a great deal of truth perceived through the steps of logic he traveled while reading and researching the Bible. Truth is simple if you arrive at it one step at a time. Truth is simple, but truth has depth. Brother Franz admits he and his writing team tried to make the truth they arrived at fit the “present truth” of the organization on occasion, but they also tried the majority of the time to just let it stand on its own merit. Those of you who have read the “Insight on the Scriptures” can attest to this. What they found in their execution of the mistake in instructions the organization made, was that the truth was easily discernable, if you had even a beginning foundation of truth. The mistake was setting them on a task of looking at the Bible without bias to past or present organizational “present truth”. He and his writers reasoned through the Bible one topic at a time . The problem is they had no overview of the Bible, or even of Jesus and the nature of his resurrection. This lack of overview would not allow them to see the clear “path” of reason revealed in the “way” of reason that Jesus found in his own search as he grew to adulthood, and was also later revealed to him further by God’s spirit. The point here is that as a corresponding person Jesus demonstrated by example that we too can draw closer to God through accurate understanding of God and the expression of his love towards us, the anointed Jesus.

    (Colossians 2:2) . . ., that they may be harmoniously joined together in love and with a view to all the riches of the full assurance of [their] understanding, with a view to an accurate knowledge of the sacred secret of God, namely, Christ.

    (Colossians 2:3) . . .Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge. . .

    (Matthew 22:37-40) . . .“‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.. . .

    We are making our minds over through the truth that Yahweh has revealed in and through his Son Jesus. Remember it is hidden from the world we came from. We began to take the steps revealed in the “milk” and then to progress to the “meat” through depth of understanding. Only in this process can we show true love for God and others. Only through this can we prophesy (teach) others to cross from the dead state they exist in to one of living to God.

    (1 Corinthians 2:1-5) . . .And so I, when I came to YOU, brothers, did not come with an extravagance of speech or of wisdom declaring the sacred secret of God to YOU. 2 For I decided not to know anything among YOU except Jesus Christ, and him impaled. 3 And I came to YOU in weakness and in fear and with much trembling; 4 and my speech and what I preached were not with persuasive words of wisdom but with a demonstration of spirit and power, 5 that YOUR faith might be, not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.

    Paul presented himself at the level that would be “up” building to this congregation. Paul himself hoped to be one of the “new builders” of the house of God. As Jesus did when he came to serve, also Paul did. They served the need of the congregation at the level that could be understood while eventually teaching things of greater depth.

    (1 Corinthians 2:6-10) . . .Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature, but not the wisdom of this system of things nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing. 7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 This [wisdom] not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know, for if they had known [it] they would not have impaled the glorious Lord. 9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.

    The “way” of reason lays out the “path” we follow to draw closer to God. On this path, as we find the Bible puts it, we learn beside each other just as Jesus our brother did and does, because God is all “ways” higher.

  38. jacqueline says:

    Hello!!!! Nice to hear from you.
    If I recall you had some things you wanted to share. I was moderator but not the owner of the other site. Here we can discuss what we have found as individual Christians. You may share here if you like. It can be lengthy in a comment or you might want to let it be a contributed article, that way it gets its own comments on your subject. Let me know or you can comment. Thanks and take care.

  39. traveler says:

    Good to see you are still at it Jacqueline.

    traveler

  40. Rena Luecking aka Just Stay Sweet and Good says:

    Miss Rena’s thoughts: It only stands to reason that all of the people in the Jewish communities in Israel already were believers in YHVH. Going from one house to the next house would have always resulted in a warm welcome. The first century Christians were preaching and teaching the Messiah and his kingdom in the world to come. It is not at unreasonable to conclude they would have done it in any way that worked. Paul even hired an auditorium for his discourses with his own money. Remember that they we not just to baptize and make disciples, they were also suppose to be teachers. Matt 28:20 Acts 28:30 How many of those who claim to be anointed are taking the lead in the spirit of this example today? The faithful and discrete slave will not be designated until the end, AFTER they have been faithful and discreet.

  41. jacqueline says:

    Hi Ariella tell us what you got and welcome. Tell us how you want to present it and let us set it up.
    Do you want it to be a recording or will you have listeners on BBB. You will be given your own page with your bio. Then copy and paste on sites for people to come over when you do a show or whatever you tell us is your format. With your own page it will list your show on the paste on Facebook.

  42. Ariella says:

    Hi this is Ariella, i hope i can contribute to having daily reading either audio or reading. to help others be in the word of God daily in this busy life schedule.

  43. jacqueline says:

    Hello Brandon, thank you for commenting. This is a site for all of us. You may submit an article to publish and it will have a comment section. Kent would like to open the discussion on 607 or 587, so if you want to start it by adding what you think, go for it.
    I think it would fall under deep subject blog. Talk about things that are on your mind. Also tell pharnisha to make up a name and let’s talk. Whatever is bothering her or a subject that she wishes to discuss. We can be open on here. How is the baby doing?
    Take Care

  44. Lee Anthony (Brandon) says:

    Hi Everyone I am thrilled to see this site. Awesome Jacqueline! Will have to join the thursday study when I get tha chance soon.
    Lee Anthony (Brandon)

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