Small Talk & Stuff with Marjo

Meet Marjo from Finland 

A little bit of her life and journey below.

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Ladies Talking

Hello and Welcome!

My name is Marjo and I am married and we have 3 children together.

I am from Finland and my native language is Finnish.

I was baptized in 2002 and I left from Jehovah Witnesses in 2008.

The reason why I left was that I didn't get support from the congregation when it was needed.

My mother was also a Witness, but she left first. I was very alone in those moments.

When the elder told me that my mother is no longer a Witness

I began to cry. That was the only moment when someone was there for me.

No one ever asked me after that how I was, or have I got over this. 

Not even elders didn't come to see me and ask how I was doing after this. 

That is when I began to fade away. Then I met my husband in the same job. 

Then leaving from Witnesses was easy. 

Then I just e-mailed to one elder that I don't want to be a Witness anymore. 

There is little of my history from Witness times. I also couldn't stand that dress code.

Now I follow Yeshua only and read the Bible.

I love different cultures and languages. So it is nice to meet new people from all over the world.

Maybe we can learn something from each other 🙂

253 Responses to Small Talk & Stuff with Marjo

  1. Marjo says:

    Hello! Haven’t forgotten you

    I hope you all are doing well. For me last year was a nightmare, but now there is a light end of the tunnel. My daughters were having a difficult time because of bullying in a hard way at school. Now they both are having help.

    There is some other happy events coming in at next year. Im going to take a trip to Peru in February 18 to 26th. I will fly from Helsinki to New York at 18th day

    Leaves: Helsinki, FI (Vantaa) 18.2.2022 17:00
    Arrives: New York City, US (John F. Kennedy Intl.) 18.2.2022 18:45
    Leaves: New York City, US (John F. Kennedy Intl.) 18.2.2022 22:35
    Arrives: Lima, PE (Chavez Intl.) 19.2.2022 06:15
    Return flight 26th:
    Leaves: Lima, PE (Chavez Intl.) 26.2.2022 11:40
    Arrives: Miami, US (Miami Intl. Airport) 26.2.2022 17:30
    Leaves: Miami, US (Miami Intl. Airport) 26.2.2022 22:45


    • jacqueline says:

      I will reply tonight.

    • Henry Henson says:

      Hi Margo. It’s very good to hear from you. I’m also glad to know that things are improving regarding your daughters health. That trip to Peru sounds fantastic. I heard the mountains there are breathtaking. Perhaps you could send us some pictures when you get back. Until later take care of yourself and your family.

      Christian Love

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, what a trip! Enjoy yourself. Lima Peru, that is an interesting country.
      I read your email and I will try to get on zoom at a time that you and I both are in the daytime and talk about what is happening with your daughters.
      I wish you were in the US during the summer months and in Miami for longer. I live a day’s drive from Miami but when I visit my son I am near.
      Tell us more about your Peru trip. Is it for fun, work or what? We still have people reading your page. Tonight I brought up the pages on the studies and you had readers. Your email and name are in there and it won’t count you. So those are others.
      Candice was at the meeting tonight (zoom) and tomorrow we will discuss this journey we have all been on to get free from doctrine and learning about the saving power of Christ’s ransom. Take Care

      • Marjo says:

        I have a friend in Peru whom I have known 18 years. So my trip is going to be for fun and relaxing. Now I have fulltime job so I can make my dreams come true. Travelling to foreing country has always been one so now Im gonna do it. I was surprized when I checked the flying time between Helsinki and New York it takes only 3h to fly there. But I have to wait 8h and 45mins before flight to Peru is leaving. Now Im trying to figure out what to do in NY before that. There is a summer in February, so thats why I chose that month.

        I have a day off from work on Monday so Saturday or Sunday will be fine.

    • Marjo says:

      Can you edit my name thank you 🙂

  2. Marjo says:

    Life is getting difficult at the moment. Today I saw new symptoms in my oldest daughter. It made me scared of a little, because I wasnt sure what was it about.

    I went to see a doctor with her and Im thankfull of that this doctor understood immediately what was going on. She had tic-symptoms. Obviously this stressfull time launched it. Her symptoms were little cramps that made her arms to shake. It will turn her life upside down for amoment, before she has an appointment with neurology. I do hope that school is more understandable with this new challenge.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo hello! Wow, tics can indeed come from unusual stress, and we do have that. Here in the USA, our school systems are aware of how to accommodate students with health issues. Hopefully, with the new stress on children, I pray they will understand your daughter.
      A teenager in our family had some tics but they go away with time or maybe another comes along but we all know it is only a tic.
      If you ever want to talk we could set up a zoom time to see each other and just small talk. I don’t go out unless I have to except in my yard and walk in the community.
      I have pivoted my business to online and telehealth services so that is a lot of paperwork.
      Tax time and new government help require filling out many forms. So I can actually be on the phone with clients 5 hours total a day and paperwork until midnight. You have to document everything these days.
      God knows how you feel about your daughter, He has a son and we can be thankful for that. I will pray for you to be able to cope. Love you and look forward to talking if we can arrange something this weekend. Take Care of yourself, too.

  3. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, hopefully, you will see this when you awaken.

    Let’s get together on zoom this weekend to talk face to face.

    I have Sunday completely free.

    I think 4 pm or 5 pm is daytime for you. Figure it out and let me know if you are available.

    I am sitting here doing paperwork and up pops this movie called “The Pilgrims Progress”.

    I have heard of the book but find this to be so interesting!

  4. Marjo says:

    Hello everyone
    My last message was posted in January. Many things not good ones has happened after that. My life has literally gone upside down. I cannot tell much about it, but when I say that I have been living in a safetyhome with my children since 30 of October. Looking forward to get new home soon. A new chapter is going to begin in my life now as a single parent.

    I also have a new hobby that is giving me more energy and took my back pain away.


    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, Hello!!! Henry asks about you often. We speak of you and people click on your page.
      2020 is a year that has turned the whole world upside down! And now your life! I am so sorry to hear about your being a single parent! Maybe we can set up a time that will allow you and me both to be during daylight. I am Central Standard time (Chicago) so match it with Finland and let me know and we can meet on zoom.
      This is happening so much since the pandemic! Watchtower has had so many married elders and sisters within the organization reveal longtime affairs some have been 20-40 years long!
      So its year has proved challenging.
      Tell us how the pandemic is going in your country, please. Also, I will send you our Thursday night meeting so you can hear our voices. I will include you in the emails, so I have forgotten to do that. Marjo we love you and can’t wait to talk to you on zoom soon.

  5. Marjo says:

    Weather is amazing over here. There is very warm outside and the snow is complitely melting. There isn’t much snow in the backyard anymore, but in the front is very slippery. I don’t feel like going out there to try my luck to get my leg broken You can barely walk in to your car and thats it. You could literally put your skates on and go to ice-skating. This isn’t normal weather here in Finland at this time of a year. Normally here would be -20 and lots of now and now +7 to +3 and no snow at all. Weather is changing.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, I was just thinking about our discussion. We know the dead are like Lazarus was, he was dead and raised back to life. But will the Great Throne judgment ones be made from the dust of the earth, this is a recreation and dust of the ground isn’t mentioned, so I don’t know what bodies will be received. I just accept without question what God says the lake of fire is and does.
      In the resurrection of Rev. 20:10-14, we know it isn’t the same body they died in, so this going into the lake of fire is about after resurrection. I don’t understand completely what the second death is and I can’t see where God explains it. So I at this time just leave this with him on what he means by tormenting day and night from the ages to the ages for satan.
      And imagine we were told the Bible was totally fulfilled and only about 4 more scriptures were left. This was in about 1984 when the CO was saying this, Now every day I see something to pray for help in understanding. Beautiful.

      But it is still so refreshing not to give our allegiance to the word of one man or group of men. So one step at a time. We got away from those 18th-19th century teachings and can look at the Bible as individuals not as a group or organization.

  6. Marjo says:

    I’ve always thought that the end won’t come until Bible prophecy has fulfilled when Satan has got his judgement. Words will get its fulfillment after new Jerusalem has come down from the heaven as Revelation 21:2 say.

    I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    It will continue to verses 3 – 6

    And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
    He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.”
    And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”
    And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life.

    Another thing I have learned about hell, that JW’s always teach wrong that it wasn’t exist. Now I am sure that there is such a place called hell a place of torment. People won’t go there right away after they have died, their soul will be waiting for the final judgement in Gehenna. When Jehovah will call the dead to hear their final judgement, will they be forever in hell a place of torment or live eternity in the paradise. This what JW deny to teach, even tho Bible is very clear in this teaching.

    Revelation 20:15
    And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    Revelation 2010 say that it is a place of torment:
    And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    I’ve had this thought about 20: 4
    Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

    I think this happened in disciples lifetime. 1 Thess 4: 15 – 17
    By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
    For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
    After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

    Pay attention to a sentence: we who are alive, this Revelation 20:4 came true when disciples were still alive.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo hello, our weather was 50 degrees yesterday.

      You know I read and did some research on 1thessalonians.
      Now when I look at this I think about the context of the entire situation. The Thessalonians had brothers that were dying and they felt they had missed out on Christ coming back to take them with them. That the resurrection had happened already and the dead ones were with Christ.
      They had no idea centuries or thousands of years would pass before Christ returned to get them. They thought they were left behind.
      2Tim. 2:18 who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.

      I think it is a collective “We who are Alive”, as in all of the Lord’s people alive whenever he comes. That there wouldn’t be any left behind because those that had died would rise first and any of the Lords that are alive when he comes will be changed and meet them in the air. So They all see him together at the same time. He does not come to the earth to rule as in Rev. 20:4 but meets them.
      in the air. Hee doesn’t even say they go back to heaven in this passage.
      He only comes twice and Rev 20:4 is the second time to rule and at that time the apostles will sit on 12 thrones and other saints will be ruling with him in some capacity, even John the baptist.

      Matt 19:28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

      Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away. 36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.… If this has happened already, we do know the day and hour.
      Acts 1:7 “Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.”
      So they were doing like a few religions do today predict when His second coming occurs. They are not telling the truth and are false prophets over and over again.

      Matt. 24:27says “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

      All will know when the second coming occurs, Rev. shows he will arrive with all his angels and the saints. Revelation is a book that reveals he will coming visibly not “Presence.”

      The religions that say he has returned invisibly in 1874 or 1914 are going directly against what the Bible says. They make up the falsehood that they only know he is around. That thought is nowhere in the Bible. They make up this stuff and those not searching the scriptures for themselves and with others buy into it for many reasons.

      So this is how I see it the Thessalonians were thousands of years too early. No saints go to heaven at death, they all wait in the grave to be RESURRECTED as the apostle explained in Thessalonians.

  7. Marjo says:

    I’ve never thought Witnesses in a that way, but now when I’m thinking of it closely they sure do remind me like one of terrorist groups without weapons. But their weapon is to separate familymembers, emotional weapon can be so crule.

    Me and my family are doing good, there has been no more bad people in our way, because we keep our friends in minimum. We keep only those whom we can trust, and those whom don’t seem honest we leave them to be. It is good to have few good people around you than many people where one could destroy all the happiness.

    I often see Witnesses in my hometown, they don’t seem to get over that thought that I have left the organization. I hear them whispering in a store when they see me there like..”there she goes”. It seems like they judge me forever for leaving the “one true” religion, even tho I have just found the one true church of Christ. Not man made the one Christ has made, the one where disciples belong to. So they should not really judge anyoe, because they don’t know people spiritual condition so well.

    Little one is 2 and half now, he has progressed very well. I could say he is too smart for his age. He is in a daycare that has helped him alot with his syndrome. He has become more active and he is not so shy anymore. I have more difficulties with my second daughter for some reason she has began to lie. I don’t know how to get that habit away from her. But so far everything else is good, my oldest daughter is growing too fast, she is as high as I am now. She is having great numbers from English, she is better in English than me now lol.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo you have the same adolescent problem another young mother on the site had. All children go through the lying phase and do deal with it the best you can until their brains shift. Adulthood of the brain is 24 years. So glad to see your youngest is doing so great. The professionals can do more than you as they are not so close emotionally to his syndrome.
      You know another aspect of the terror tactics used was mentioned by James Penton in his interview and it is the raping of young girls in the “judicial” meetings when they are hearing confessions of conduct incidental to young people. The questions they ask these young girls about the actual act is a form of pedophilia as these men are often 50 70 years old. I have spoken professionally with some girls that are actually scarred by these questions asked in those rooms. Some have committed suicide because of losing their families when they get disfellowshipped.
      This new year my resolution is to put as much of the actual word of God in my mind to overpower and push out all that horror of the governing body.
      There are good people and Christians within the religion and God sees that even as He sees all of us.
      The organization already has its next plan for its new generation of followers.
      But at least now they can also go to the internet and hear other voices.
      When we first started out it was just a few voices and people to talk too but now there is help everywhere on youtube and the internet. GOD IS GOOD. He used those that he knew would withstand the terrorist tactics with him backing them, and now there are hundreds if not thousands of youtube and websites.

      I can rest now and just do the Bible and move on. I see Jesus on every page of the Old Testament. It is amazing that most for real Christian commentary talk so much about Jesus. I never knew all the things about Jesus it is as if I am learning of him for the very first time.

      Guess what? I am getting a clearer understanding of Revelation since I now know Haggai and some of the other prophets comment on much mentioned in Revelation.
      I often wondered why Jesus said Heaven and earth WILL pass away but not his word (Matt24:35) agrees with Reve 21 where God says he is making all things new, the old heaven and earth will be gone. Isa 51:6 and 2Peter 3 where Peter lets us know what Jesus possibly told him about the old earth and heaven being replaced.
      This earth is literally killing people, even the sun is dangerous, earthquakes, floods, fire all of this unbalanced literal earth will be replaced.
      I am finding that Genesis and the Old Testament explains Revelation if you don’t look for allegories in Revelation.
      So now with all the help for those coming out to Christ, we can move on to learn, worship and Praise Jehovah and Jesus.
      You mention they whisper in the store when they see you, elders do it when I come into a doctor’s office and I just laugh or smile because God made those that left to find Jesus tough and strong to not be phased by these poor people. They will be free to learn about Jesus soon also. They will be okay.
      God already got this laid out in Revelation.
      Do you find you can understand Revelation chapters 20,21 and 22? I listen to many of the good righteous diggers in the word and together it is being understood. Take Care.

  8. Marjo says:

    Hello my brothers and sisters in Christ!

    Things are getting worse over here. Sitting ministers are planning to bring ISIS-wife’s (Finnish citizens) here with their children. Worst thing is that they don’t seem to get what kind of threat these people are to this country. They are only repeating one thing and it is childrens rights.

    Yes they are children, but grown up by terrorists. God knows what kind of brainwash activity they have done to these children. They could use them as a biological weapon if they want to.

    Police said that they are a high risk to this country, but ministers won’t believe them. They just are following childrens rights. Worst thing is that you can’t even talk about them as a terrorists, just like you can not talk certain things about Bible anymore. Here seems to be very powerful force to get things bad for believers. It’s like government have curtains on their eyes and they don’t see the danger ahead. I would not be surprised if these people would worship Satan to get what they want.

    Now they have brought two orphan children from Al Hol, others are still in the camp. But I believe they are going to bring them home too. Things are normal so far, nothing major hasn’t happen yet.

    I am encouraging you to watch this youtube video. In this video they talk About the Church. I’ve never heard so clear explanation of this topic before than in this video.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo hello my dear sister! I will definitely look at the link that you have posted as a part of what I do on Sunday especially.
      You mentioned Terrorist in your comment. I was just thinking and expressed at testimony meeting that the watchtower society is a terrorist organization but on a domestic level. I also regard them as kidnappers.

      This is how I viewed it that they hold your family hostage if you leave their organization, and the one that left is the ransom to be paid. They have to come back and submit to the Gestapo tactics of the organization or lose the fellowship of their family.
      This horrifies and terrorizes many persons so they don’t, can’t leave an organization that they know as very little connection to the God of the Bible and no respect for Jesus, even saying he is just an angel.
      So I understand the fear of terrorists, that children are indoctrinated to turn against their parents and parents against their children.
      Within the witness organization these terrorist tactics keep them in fear, the thought of losing their wives, husbands, children, and other dear friends makes them forfeit their life to keep their families intact.

      So I do understand the fear of children being trained to be terrorists.
      I just push on, love my neighbors and wonder at and learn about the future God our Father has set out.

      I am about God and Jesus’ agenda now, (I try at least). We have as a group tried to keep it about the Bible and literally push out all of the teachings of the Witnesses and Charles Russell, Millerites, Seventh Day and Mormon.
      These are the religions that have shaped this present day watchtower society. The Mormon governing body member is merging the thoughts.
      I am so glad to be out of it. Lots of my family escaped before I did and hopefully many more will at least have mental freedom from this terrorist group.
      I will continue to show love and I have learned to stay away from relatives that are vile and vicious toward me.
      This has helped my health so much.
      The Bible student movement was a journey that allowed God to use me to help many to understand their freedom in Christ.
      Marjo, now I am trying to get as far away from the Bible student movement and the Witnesses as I can. I am done with that kind of indoctrination.

      The persons that are Witnesses, Bible students, Mormons, Seventh Day are there because they like it and want to be there.
      I think they should have that freedom to do so. I don’t try to pull my family or other witness associates away from their way of worship. There is freedom of religion in the United States and all citizens should be able to exercise this freedom.
      I sincerely hope my family understands my fight was they were saying you can’t have freedom of religion you must be under the Nazi regime of the governing body of Jehovah’s witnesses until you die.
      Dealing with the fight with family and the Bible student movement was in part the reason for my stroke. It was from Afib an emotional response of the heart to extreme stress.
      Now I walk away from stressful situations even if it means the loss of family.

      Tell us how your family has progressed over the year, please. What is the progress of your little one? I feel like traveling again if conditions weren’t so bad I would embark on seeing some of God’s beautiful creations.

      BTW: I liked listening to this video just to get others views on Rev. 13
      I find it so refreshing to hear other thinking friends diggings into prophecy.

  9. Marjo says:

    We had an earthquake today here in Finland. It was 1.3 and 5km deep. It was very close to the surface. It happened 400km away from me where I live.

  10. Marjo says:

    That article was interesting because of the peace what they want. Is that going to be the shout what Bible has omened.

    What comes to that latest post about going to heaven we don’t know for 100% how everything will happen after death.

    I found this video from youtube about end of the world. Here is one example how it would look like

    • jacqueline says:

      Mario, God’s schedule is for global peace to come first then HE launches the Great Tribulation. 2Thess.5
      We are going to see unprecedented peace. But then things starting happening fast to bring about the arrival of the second Coming of Christ. This might be one of the pieces to the puzzle but here is a link to one discussion on this.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, thanks for posting. Henry had found an article when this council was happening that said Jehovah’s Witnesses didn’t answer or send a delegation. So hats off to them for that!

      1. Notice the two excerpts below show the Papal system seems to be coming back alive. We have been talking about this in the past months as you notice all over that the popes are leading again.
      2. The ecumenical movement, this is why I don’t use one set of books oe magazines to just study. It removes the Bible as the authority on matters. There is only the Truth found in the Bible, not religions saying they have the truth or calling their religion the truth.“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” John 17:17. We will see where this goes, it is their 10th one so the other nine did absolutely nothing.

      “All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

      “Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.” John 18:37.

      “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” Matthew 24:35.

      1.” Who Is the Driving Force Behind These Interfaith Events?

      Rome’s Second Vatican Council produced two documents that laid the foundation for the modern ecumenical movement. “Unitatis Redintegratio” is a decree to restore the unity of the “Christian” churches [9] and “Nostra Aetate” is a decree to establish relations with “non-Christian” traditions. [10] Rome is leading the way to bring all the religions of the world into one for the purpose of implementing her final objective:

      Ecumenism, interfaith bridge-building, and inter-confessional cooperation have opened the door to a dangerous error called the relativism of truth. Ecumenism destroys the notion of absolute truth. It promotes the idea that there is no universal, objective truth because every belief system has its own unique perspective and identity. Ecumenism teaches that truth exists only in relation to everyone’s own unique cultural context and personal perception.”

  11. Marjo says:

    This just opened up to me like a lightning from a sky Mark 12 verses 18-26. Every time I\’ve just read this chapter but never thought clearly of its meaning. God wanted to tell me the meaning of this.

    Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus and questioned Him:

    “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man is to marry his brother’s widow and raise up offspring for him.

    Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died, leaving no children.

    Then the second one married the widow, but he also died and left no children. And the third did likewise.

    In this way, none of the seven left any children. And last of all, the woman died.

    In the resurrection, whose wife will she be? For all seven were married to her.”

    Jesus said to them, “Aren’t you mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?

    When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.

    But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ’I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?

    If I\’ve understood this correctly, when our spirit goes to heaven we don\’t live there same kind of life than we have lived here on the earth. In the heaven we don\’t marry anyone we are just spirits, children of God. As sad as it sounds, we might not even go to heaven as a marry couple. Resurrection as a spirit body is something we don\’t fully understand because we have long believed that our sould dies when our body dies.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo got your picture in email. Wish it could be posted here.
      I will also comment after we finish our Thursday conference call.

    • jacqueline says:

      But the risen Jesus is not in this sense a physical/bodily reality. The resurrection stories in the New Testament make that clear. The risen Jesus appears in a locked room (John 20). He journeys with two of his followers for a couple of hours and is not recognized – and when he is recognized, he vanishes (Luke 24). He appears in both Jerusalem (Luke and John) and Galilee (Matthew and John). He appears to Stephen in his dying moments (Acts 7). He appears to Paul in or near Damascus as a brilliant light (Acts 9). He appears to the author of Revelation on an island off the coast of Turkey in the late 90s of the first century (Rev. 1).

      These texts are not about Jesus being restored to his previous life as a physical being. If such events happen, they are resuscitations: resuscitated persons resume the finite physical life they had before, and will die again someday. Whatever affirming the resurrection of Jesus means, it does not mean this.

      Moreover, what would it mean to say that the risen Jesus is a physical/bodily reality? That he continues to be a molecular, protoplasmic, corpuscular being existing somewhere? Does that make any sense? How can the risen and living Jesus be all around us and with us, present everywhere, if he is bodily and physical?

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, finally I get to answer this. Marriage to the person you love is of the heart. But let me tell you my story on if your mate dies. Mine did. He was one of the first persons so young in our area’s kingdom halls to die young. I was pregnant and terrified. I wanted to be with him in the resurrection as was taught. “Not marry nor given in marriage” upset me. The watchtower society said no but couldn’t really explain why.

      But I can explain it now. He was 22 years old at death, I have grandchildren almost that age! My experiences and thoughts are not at all like his and his life would be as a young man, a child to me, a 71-year-old woman.

      Now is it sort of making sense? I have actually prayed to God about his wisdom in letting death be the end of any marriage arrangements. From the night my mom said Jackie your husband was murdered today! I was no longer as young as he was. I was grown beyond his years and now his son is 49 years old and we laugh at how he will have to bring his dad up to snuff on what happened in the world after he died.
      We don’t know how long the “Great White Throne” judgment period will be but everybody will stand before him so all of us will see dead loved ones in the judgment period. (Just getting to understand Rev 20:10-14)

      So we don’t know what bodies we will be given and I see how marriages wouldn’t make any sense at all, in my case. This concept of men thinking our dealings with God is in heaven but the Bible seems to indicate it is an earthly thing first.

      I am so glad to be back now. Migraines are so much easier to deal with than stroke or heart. So glad headaches I have been having are migraines, whew! 3 days of intense tests are no joke. I need to educate myself on this subject now along with my neurologist help.

      Love you and say hello to your family and kiss the Baby.

  12. Marjo says:

    That’s right. I think that is the gosbel that disciples were preaching. There is so much information about this in the Maccabees.

    2 Maccabees 12:45,46
    And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

    It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

    2 Maccabees 7:9
    And when he was at the last gasp, he said thus: Thou indeed, O most wicked man, destroyest us out of this present life: but the King of the world will raise us up, who die for his laws, in the resurrection of eternal life.

    John 11:25
    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

    This chronological order will help us to think the timeline how everything went.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, I like the chronological order links. Also I have read Tobit and parts of maccabees.
      Jeff is Catholic and studied the other books during his life. He filled me in on some of the detail on some of the other books.
      I always felt Job placement in the Bible should be nearer its date, as it took place very early in history.

      I heard a talk on Moody Radio yesterday about the subject you brought up on Forgiveness.

      He brought out one crucial point to women in abuse. He showed David, Jesus and many more fled from attempts to harm them psychologically or physically even tho they harbored no ill will.

      A talk show had a speaker, and those in my car group and were amazed to hear her say Spiritual Abuse is being allowed.
      She gave many points on how to identify it. One point was about persons that leave it in a church only to go right back into the same type of church that does the same thing. How insightful.
      She also cautioned against engaging in intense arguments about doctrines, which is really nothing but Spiritual Abuse.
      Out Thursday night studies have been refreshing because we all bring something to the table without being dogmatic and argumentive but precise with what the text is saying.
      It has proved to be refreshing. Everybody gets to express themselves.
      I am so sorry we are on opposite sides of the world.
      We had over 1700 visitors this month so it is still silent gathering in Christ with them.

  13. Marjo says:

    Thank you for helping me to see this thing clearly.
    So we all are under the judgement before the death and hades is thrown to the lake of fire. When you hear that your name is in the book of life, then you can say you have won the battle.

    Next I’m going to study forgiveness, that is a topic JW didn’t teach alot. Or if they did they told that shunning is the only loving way to help to regret. As far as I’ve studied it is not how Bible say it that you should do that forever.

    • jacqueline says:

      Good morning Marjo, before verse 6 notice who is in the first resurrection, it can be a whole lot of people, not just the 144,000 that we were taught. And they will be judges under Christ on the earth. This was hidden from us because the whole religion from Miller’s time to now was based on a special class being in heaven ruling over the earth. They call it getting their crown. This is still taught now.

      Those not willing to be ruled by the clear word of God will be ruled by tyrants. And this has been my whole life experience until now when I go straight to the Bible without books or magazines.

      The Saints with the Messiah:
      Rev. 20:4-6
      4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

      Notice the resurrected included the persecuted and killed for Christ, those that didn’t worship the beast or its image. Notice it is for testimony about Christ. That can be you, me and many more Christians that die before the Second Coming of Christ. He assures us that second death has no power over them. I don’t accept their teachings on second deathe either, but that is something to be yet revealed maybe by God in His own time and age.

      1John 5:13 “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
      We have been trained to hold our heads down like question marks, not exclamation points. Holy Spirit assures you of Hope.
      The word know means absolute assurance. According to verse 13, it is possible to be saved and know it. But the very fact that John wrote this verse shows that it is also possible to be saved and doubt it.

      Marjo, I am going to say with confidence that I accept Jesus and God’s plan for salvation, believe Jesus died, was resurrected and ascended into heaven to wait at the right hand of God ready to bring about salvation when God gives the command.
      When Jesus rose from the dead he gave us reason to hope with complete assurance that we would have eternal life. He has become “the firstfruits of those who are asleep” (1Corinthians 15:20).
      “that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures” (1Corinthians 15:3-4).

      So Marjo I have faith we will be in the first resurrection if we die before then. I just call it FAITH.

      WE shouldn’t fear Luke 21:28 “But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads because your redemption is drawing near.”

  14. Marjo says:

    Thats true, they have been teaching us false truth that we already know. But again it is not other Witnesses fault, only those whom belong to that GB.

    What comes to Jeremiah, I think it’s about so called climate change they are talking about. In few years they have been saying that water resources have been used already It is not good to just not to pay attention on it. Flood in Noah’s day was a climate change too when God allowed to rain on the earth. It changed earth radically and also the wearther.

    Another question came to my mind while reading Revelation chapter 20 verse 6.

    Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

    When Jesus returns and destroys bad people from the earth, and those whom will survive of this judgement day are they also going to win the judgement of second death when 1000 years has passed? Is the second death only for those whom God will bring back to alive, not for them whom survived from judgement day?

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo hello, I will give my two cents worth later when I write up the order I see clearly from scripture. I have visitors here now and my family is calling me from all over so it might be tomorrow even. Maybe some of the other friends will answer right away. Take care.

    • jacqueline says:

      Hi, Marjo sorry to not get back sooner to see if I can put my two cents in.

      Rev.5:10 “You made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” Christ rulership will be on earth as He said he would come again and every eye would see him. Rev 1:7:

      Rev 20:6-15
      6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
      I understand this that anyone resurrected during the 1,000 years is safe from the lake of fire, righteousness is imputed to them. Also there will be survivors of the Great tribulation. Satan is in the Abyss so He is not there to mislead>

      Then The Judgment of Satan:
      7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number, they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

      Again we see satan is put in the lake of fire after the little season is over and this is also after the thousand years are over.

      Now The Judgment of the Dead:

      11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that was in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that was in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

      This is the Great white throne judgment where the rest of the dead comes to life as Rev 20:5 had said. It does not say how long this judgment period of the world will be but notice there is no satan and demons so everyone will have now been given not a second chance but an opportunity to choose God for themselves without the sin of Adam in their good bodies. 2Peter 3:9

      Got to run now but will check back tonight when I get back from dinner and a movie. Take Care Marjo Will you send me Sunora email in a private email? Thanks
      Marjo I might be reading to much on the text but since hades weren’t destroyed yet, EACH PERSON, INDIVIDUALLY IS JUDGED. Not as a group or class here.
      So it seems the “so called” nominal church or Christendom” had it right after all that we all must stand before the judgment seat. How long is this judgment period? The text does not say.
      Not adding or taking away from the actual words is how I came to my conclusions.
      There might be a lot I missed and others might see it but it is the best I see.
      What do you see?

  15. Christopher Johns says:

    You are exactly right. As a Christian I don’t refer to myself as gay. I have homosexual tendencies. But I’m not a gay Christian. I’ve always said I do not consider myself LGBTQ. They are over there and i am over here.
    There are so many “welcoming” churches that have allowed gays to get married. They have taken the 6 passages and reinterpreted them to mean anything but homosexuality. For example in Roman’s 1:26-27 they say this really means that God was condemning Male temple sex prostitution. And that this was taking about natural meaning that God created us gay so that is our natural tendency. They’ve take the sodom and Gomorah story and said this this means that god was condemning gang rape. They say these verses have no mention of “committed same sex relationships.” One proponent of this is “Matthew Vines”. I mean aside from religion look at our bodies. They are designed to fit heterosexully. Watch the video on YouTube “Homosexuality 101” she explains what causes it and its amazing and fit most gay men’s experiences.

  16. Marjo says:

    I agree with you that it is good to stay away from conflicts. This Bible verse is good to remember these days

    Matthew 10:16
    Behold, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

    When you see that time is going more and more difficult for believer, then you should be shut up and let others live their lives they have chosen to. There is no point to speak anyone who is not willing to take any advice.

    I have told my children that if there is gay people in their school they can behave nicely for them, because you never know they might some day regret their behaving and worship God in a way He accepts.

    Yes we can see that world is changing. We can see the signs on the sky aswell. Many asteroids has passed the earth way too close. Even bigger asteroid as big as a mountain is reaching the earth in 10 years. They don’t know yet if it is going to hit on the earth or is it going to pass by.

    I’m sure that Witnesses have also seen that world has darkened. The most important thing is that we take care of ourselves and follow Christ to the end.

    About resurrection I find this Bible verse very encouraging.

    John 11:25,26
    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

    And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, we missed the fact that God says he will create all things new. The earth suffered because of sin also. There will be damage even to Jerusalem
      Jeremiah 14: 4-8 Scientist say that this could be an earthquake because of the fault line that the Mount of Olives sits on. So like you mentioned a cosmic event could also cause damage but He says He is making all things new! I guess we have to wait and see how He will do this. I now take God at his word and not explain or allegorize everything He says.

      Also Marjo I never notice the timeline lineup of Revelation before! It shows the general resurrection of the dead taking place not during the thousand years as we were taught but after the thousand years. Not just after the thousand years but after the little season is over and the devil is put in the lake of fire.!

      Did you know that? Both the ones in the first resurrection and those living during the thousand years and the general resurrection won’t have satan around! Now it makes so much more sense to go by what Revelation 20 says the order of events are rather than the doctrine we were taught. It doesn’t say how long the judgment period is when the books are open either. We were taught it was a thousand years.

      How could Russell, Rutherford, Knorr, Franz and now the governing body not see this order of events? God reveals and conceals until he is ready to teach us. Learning so much now from studying without books or magazines written by men.

      Check it out below and tell me if you see it, please. Also, wonder why the torment forever and ever is NOT said of the ones resurrected and thrown into the lake of fire? hmmm

      Revelation 20 New International Version (NIV)

      The Thousand Years
      20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

      4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

      The Judgment of Satan
      7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

      The Judgment of the Dead
      11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

  17. Marjo says:

    We are all good. Our youngest one started daycare, he has been there just 3 weeks now. He doesn’t want to stay there, but he has to learn to trust those people whom are taking care of other children too. I think he is trusting few person in that place, but others he wont. I don’t know but he has this ability to choose, whom he can trust. He is only 2 years old so I think that has something to do with that aswell he doesn’t trust people so easily. Some parents take their child to daycare when they turn 1 year old.

    I’m glad that you have had a chance to be with your granchildren. Jehovah has blessed you in many ways.

    I was trying to get myself to study nursing, but there were too many people whom wanted to be there so I wasn’t chosen. I guess that wasn’t the place where God wanted me to go. Before that I made a pray that if that is the place he has chosen me to be. Well I wasn’t but now I am looking for other choises. It is difficult to be a nurse in this country. Low paid and too much work. It is sad to see that government in my country doesn’t have no intrest to take care of old people. Even tho these people have built this country what it is today, but now it is going worse. It feels like they want to drive original people away from Finland and take in people from other countries where they worship islam. Countries where is not good to be. This country is not the same as it has been before. We know what islam is. You can not even say anything negative about islam either, or you are being watched.

    • jacqueline says:

      Marjo, the scene of the world is changing. I have tried to cope by being a little low key. By that I mean No arguments, letting others make their statements but not engaging when I know it will end up in arguments or discord. I don’t call or go to the homes of relatives that have made it clear they don’t want to talk to me. I feel they have the right to make that decision and I don’t want to have them have to make a choice.
      After all, I know the rules of their religion and I would never want to make them feel uncomfortable.

      I was speaking with a person that goes to the conventions to hand out literature outside the witness conventions and they asked if others would join. I said no, leave them alone. I only wanted to be able to leave myself without being badgered to come back or ridiculed for my choice to just use the Bible in a very small group.

      Since my family nor the witnesses are objecting to this verbally with me I am at peace and we understand each other. Confrontations and arguing over scripture does not make sense now. I am finding the Bible very easy to understand.
      Maybe along with times getting bad the truth is finally opening up by the great revealer and concealer Jehovah.

      Your country might be showing what is ahead in this spiritual fight between the spiritual world. Time will soon tell. In the meantime, I stay away from arguments but love our humane and respectful discussions both here and on the Thursday and Saturday night sessions. We ar getting closer to God and Jesus now without manmade religion and books.

      Your two-year-old doesn’t like daycare, no surprise there. Maybe when he gets accustomed to it and make a friend he will like going for a few hours. I was the complete stay at home mom and my children went to school at 5 years old and a few days out of the week to children’s programs. But now everything is different.

      Marjo I pray earnestly now for the Kingdom to come. I think we are in for a ride but even if some of us die we know the resurrection is sure because Christ rose and it is settled for those that love him.
      This is the simple truth that I go by now and it brings me peace.

      Let us know how that trial turns out. I t will be interesting how it is handled. If Islam jurors are a factor it could turn out very different.

      Take care and so glad to hear from you.

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