Why Has God allowed The Jews To Suffer? -David Pawson

Would it surprise you id someone said Yahweh causes the Jews suffering because HE spoke a promise to them? Listen closely to David Pawson and learn why the holocaust.


19 Responses to Why Has God allowed The Jews To Suffer? -David Pawson

  1. John Stoutenburg says:

    True so true , sister Jacqueline.
    I have no argument with this thought : the Jews as a National entity are not in a covenant relationship with Jehovah. It was foretold back in Moses’ day as you brought out, only curses would result in unfaithfulness to the covenant agreed and entered into with Yahweh at Sinai c. 1513 b. c.
    Jesus gathered around himself the night before he died and initiated a new covenant as we know, and shed his blood as the High Priest of this covenant for a Kingdom the next day about 3:00 pm I believe.
    His teachings and that of the Apostles are recorded in detail along with Apostle Paul’s many letters of instruction.
    Furthermore we have the prophecies of the future all the way to after the 1000 years and destruction of Satan and his seed … and beyond… to give us the true understanding of the superiority of the heavenly Kingdom . Reallly, if we take the viewpoint of present day Jewish religion that God’s Kingdom is a restoration of Israel as a nation and the city of Jerusalem as it exists today will be the fulfillment of Revelation prophecies, we aren’t aiming high. We are trying to apply these promises of heaven to an earthly fulfillment as do the Jews today.
    The entire New Testament is the NEW ive wNt with superior priesthood, comprised of adopted Spirit-born Christians as priests and kings who will be trained and directed by their husbandly owner Christ. Amen? (Book of Hebrews)
    Every Baptist church I go to in my preaching work to try to clarify what is ‘spirit and truth’, attempts to get sympathy for the modern day Jewish nation and ‘ send prayers and support to Gods people’.
    Look at the new facts: a dirty war …. a one sided hateful massacre is being carried on in Gaza today as we speak. Is this the work of Jehovah and Jesus? Are we supposed to enter armed forces and attempt to raise Israel back to what it was in the time of King David?
    This is why I stopped associating I worship with certain religions who put Israel as the people of God today, because the old covenant of God with Jews was broken so many times . It proves as Hebrews and other commentsJesus made that a spiritual nation had to be formed not a physical one.
    This is why the Jehovah’s Witness religion has failed those of us who opted out… as their teaching of only 144,000 Christians to share the Kingdom Covenant is not only failing to be blessed by Nehovan and Jesus but just the opposite, has turned a curse upon those still in.
    I’m glad I resigned years ago and study hard every day to allow the Spirit and the Word to instruct me. I needed no church or ‘Jehovah’s Organization to teach me the truth. I’ve learned to just read the Bible through over and again now annually and The Holy Spirit does the rest.
    I have gone back to WT memorials twice in 18 years and partook, hoping to see some steering toward Christ’s teachings…. But every time I have attended a Kingdom Hall I see the idolatry of worshipping ‘Jehovah’s Organization’ over Christ gets worse.
    “Let them be”.,… Jesus said…” blind guides is what they are”
    I was awakened by Christ and the Holy Spirit personally. Now I go to many as I can : churches of any denomination , to teach the correct words of truth. Very few if any listen and I am discouraged to no end. I feel like Jeremiah and Elisha and Elijah.
    Look at Noah though! How many converts did he make? His own Father appears not to have listened to him or else mention would have been made of him helping in the Ark’ construction those last 100 years.
    I come here hoping to find support for spiritual encouragement.
    Those ones who were Witnesses who were born again and pushed out of the WT religion….. do any of you give me an Amen!?

    • Jacqueline says:

      John, I want to let you know I will answer and respond to the website. We buried my sister\\\’s husband and she is older plus family in crisis right now and I am trying to be a help to them at this critical time.
      I especially want to comment on the covenant that Jesus made on that night because every soul sitting there with him was a Jew, an Israelite just as he was a Jew.
      That was something added or new to the Jews because the old covenant was fulfilled in him and they would be dispersed throughout the world and wouldn\\\’t be able to do any of the things in the Abrahamic Covenant because there was no temple and no priest after 70 AD. Jesus knew this.

      But these were still Jews, Cornelius was the first Gentile.
      The Jews are blinded by Jehovah now to Christ because they are in a new covenant with him that they can follow dispersed throughout the world.
      I see some other good points in your comment but can\\\’t address them right now but I will be back to do so. Bear with me my brother.

      • ted says:

        Who is to be saved?

        Remember the “nation”, of Israel had rejected ransom from the law of Judgment. As Romans 9:6-7 points out among other statements, being a member of Israel and being a Jew is dependent on heart condition and the faith, frame of mind, from it.

        So Jesus concluded a New covenant with those followers present, the true Jews. Jesus as the king of the Jews, expressing faith in himself as the Messiah, obviously was a true Jew. Also those present with him and showing faith in him were Jews, Israel, sons of Israel, offspring of Abraham.

        It seems one of the perplexing ideas held in our age, that the “Nation” of Israel, note we’re identifying two things here a political order and a people, are some how seen as one and the same, or at least until blindness (of Mind) is considered.

        Jesus and the scriptures leave no doubt, the “nation” was replaced. God’s people, Israel, followed Jesus and his “new administration”, only the Jews followed Jesus out from under the nation.

        We see figures like Paul address as Jews, those Jews
        in name only, and true Jews, both as Jews. This is from a lack of understanding on Paul’s part, and the fact that Paul could not judge if a person was truly a Jew, one at heart, serving God, that might yet be turned away from the blindness of the nation and be saved.

        So, in conclusion, Jesus did not conclude a “new covenant with the “nation”, of Israel”, only with those following him, the true Jews, Israel, the “kingdom among you”. The prophecies dealing with Israel, the offspring of Abraham, will be fulfilled.

        “Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.”

        (Galatians 3:26-29) . . .YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.

        (Romans 9:6-7) However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who [spring] from Israel are really “Israel.” 7 Neither because they are Abraham’s seed are they all children…

        (Matthew 21:42-43) . . .Jesus said to them: “Did YOU never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Yahweh this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits. . .

        (Romans 2:28-29) . . .For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and [his] circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code. The praise of that one comes, not from men, but from God.
        (Galatians 3:26-29) . . .YOU are all, in fact, sons of God through YOUR faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of YOU who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. 29 Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.

        (Revelation 3:8-9) . . .. 9 Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you.

        (2 Corinthians 3:4-6) 4 Now through the Christ we have this sort of confidence toward God. 5 Not that we of ourselves are adequately qualified to reckon anything as issuing from ourselves, but our being adequately qualified issues from God, 6 who has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, not of a written code, but of spirit; for the written code condemns to death, but the spirit makes alive.

        (Hebrews 8:13) 13 In his saying “a new [covenant]” he has made the former one obsolete. Now that which is made obsolete and growing old is near to vanishing away.

        (Hebrews 9:15-17) 15 So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance. 16 For where there is a covenant, the death of the [human] covenanter needs to be furnished. 17 For a covenant is valid over dead [victims], since it is not in force at any time while the [human] covenanter is living.

        • jacqueline says:

          Hello Ted, yes there are many that believe in replacement theology and that is how they see it. I do not. The bible book of Hosea is a perfect example and the things happening since 1948 in Israel leads me to believe Jehovah is keeping His promise to Abraham.
          I don’t try to explain too much about this because we as individuals can make a decision on whether we accept the Israel that exits today as the fulfilment of all the prophecies about the Jews.
          It is not a salvation issue and soon we will know.
          How is your year starting off? Hope it is okay. Thank you so much for your support and your thoughts we have an audience of thousands that come to the site weekly. Tonight I think I will open the support group at 8PM Central Standard Time US to see if anyone will attend.

          The success of a support group is measured when all persons has positioned themselves to go on with their lives in a healthier way.
          We have gone from 33 down to only the 4 core members. That was a successful 12 year Spirit-filled Bible journey.

          Are you associated with any particular denomination? We are just a little House Church so to speak like the early congregations, very small.

          • ted says:

            We belong to no denomination/division from Christ’s congregation. I believe your honest intention to help. We also believe as we laid out, that there has been no replacement of Abraham’s offspring, Israel. Our king, along with his holy people, the kingdom, will through his new administration be reestablished as the holy land with its new Jerusalem. We all hope for a peaceful year, while understanding, it’s the time of the end and things will get much worse for humanity as they turn from God.

            • jacqueline says:

              Now I understand your stance on Israel Ted. Yes this year I do not pray for the peace of Israel but for them to have courage and do what they have to do!
              Yes, I agree as Christians we rejoice that the God of us all Yahweh will give the command for Jesus to go conquering in midst of his enemies.
              I personally think that this is a special year on the Jewish calendar and we shall see.

              I have sent for equipment to began hosting a live discussion and broadcast it on our youtube channel and maybe facebook. I will invite guests to speak. I will proceed if the Holy Spirit directs me. I have a few brothers that want to be quests already.

              But every day the world scene changes and you can’t plan on anything being sure but what Jehovah has prophesied. Take Care

              • ted says:

                We wish all passing through here the peace that excells all thought, and the comfort of knowing.

                Sincerely, the travelers

              • ted says:

                Your future plans are exciting. After three failed attempts to put internet in here at Awefull cottage, we are to have satellite internet installed on Thursday. We are excited. It would be nice to see you and the other brother and sisters minds work in real time.

  2. Hello Jacqueline….

    I just finished listening to the ex-JW sister, Monica, pour out her heart about her experience . I should like to give her some encouragement.

    How can I give a responce to her video?

  3. Hi Jacqueline……..I have lost all the information about the meetings we had Saturdays, so I wish to be able to reconnect with the group .

    I have worked to teach a church that pulled out of the Methodist religion because of the homosexual issues in the church hierarchy.

    Hypocrisy and demonic sin cannot be tolerated in a church claiming to worship God and Christ, so we will see what the attitude toward learning the Way Jesus and the Apostles taught today I will return to that church to offer my help to teach a Sunday school type class where God is honored andhis Son’s teachings are not adulterated.

    So, looking forward to sharing Christian gospel and fellowship again!

    Love the truth, love the Spirit of Truth, and Love for God, and Christ.

    • jacqueline says:

      John Hello, I have been very busy with Summer events working with Educators because of the school shootings producing Secondary Traumas.
      We will convene around September 1, for the Conference Zoom Support Group.

      We are doing exactly what you are doing getting out there and helping face to face for the summer months.
      Jeff is in a ministry and I am working with Mental Health to integrate our county by providing Holistic Health Events. People are still practicing social distancing and that is not good. Humans love to assemble and touch.

      This is the link for Saturday that began in September. http://askjacqueline.life/freeconferencecall

      BTW John, We do everything n Saturday when we start up in September. We no longer have the meeting on Thursday. We combine them. Take Care.

  4. Yes its true Israel as a nation followed the falsereligious Pharisees and killed Gods Son. As Jesus said in his many parables, when harvest time came the owner of the vinyard senthisslavesout repeatedly, then finally his Son…..but the wicked workers killed the Son.
    The owner came andremoved the keepers of the vinard, and then killed those who killed his Son. Other illustrations echo Jesus’ teaching that the bloodguilt on Israel as a nation necessitated God killing that nation’s standing as a people in a covenant relationship with him: ” Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”
    God’s wrath was expressed when he allowed the Romans to destroy the temple and burned the city of Jerusalem in 70, and again in or about 135(?) when Bar Kohkba led the final revolt against the Roman armies, amassing a hoge army to fight them, but was smashed totally.
    Jews lost everything, 550,000 I believe died in that last war according to Josephus, a once zealous Jew who turned traitor andjoined the Romans.

    To this day, no further blessing is on the Jews as far as any temple ever being rebuilt, as the true temple is the body of Christ and the Christian believers born of God by His HolySpirit. The body of Christ was the only sacrifice needed to save the human race, and it was offered once for all time.

    Please dont subscribe to the Jewish fable God will bring a true Messiah, and restore the temple in Jerusalem, as that is going against the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

    Seek to secure yourself as the receiver of the adoption of the Spirit as Paul repeatedly taught, following Jesus’ commands. John 3:34-36

    • jacqueline says:

      John thank you for your comment. I know that Jehovah never goes back on his word and has chastised Israel for their disobedience many times. Now they are in blindness for the working out of the will of Jehovah and Jesus.

      Romans 11:25
      The key passage to the doctrine of Israel’s blindness or “hardening” is found in Romans 11:25 —”For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits—, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

      Jehovah made a covenant promise to Abraham and Jehovah nor Jesus ever goes back on their word because someone else messes up. Israel will accept Christ Jesus and will mourn when they realize they killed the “Christ”.

      By means of the Jews the entire earth has been blessed just as Jehovah stated. We don’t hardly have anything that A Jew hasn’t created.
      If Jehovah goes back on His word to the Jews we wouldn’t be able to trust him.

      The sins Israel committed were against Jehovah and He says although they be as scarlet he will forgive them, His wife and beloved people. So glad He is faithful and forgives us all of our sins. Abraham will just fall down and worship Jehovah, and Jesus when he sees how Almighty God, Jehovah kept His WORD.
      I look forward to the New Jerusalem and the return of Christ to Jerusalem here on earth in the Middle East. Take Care

      Hosea 14:
      1 [a]Israel, return to the Lord your God.
      You have stumbled because of your sins.
      2 Return to the Lord, and say these things to him:
      “Forgive all our sins, and kindly receive us.
      Then we’ll praise you with our lips.
      3 Assyria cannot save us.
      We won’t ride on horses anymore.
      We will never again say
      that the things our hands have made are our gods.
      You love orphans.”

      4 ⌞The Lord says,⌟ “I will cure them of their unfaithfulness.
      I will love them freely.
      I will no longer be angry with them.
      5 I will be like dew to the people of Israel.
      They will blossom like flowers.
      They will be firmly rooted like cedars from Lebanon.
      6 They will be like growing branches.
      They will be beautiful like olive trees.
      They will be fragrant like cedars from Lebanon.
      7 They will live again in God’s shadow.
      They will grow like grain.
      They will blossom like grapevines.
      They will be as famous as the wines from Lebanon.

      8 “The people of Ephraim will have nothing more to do with idols.
      I will answer them and take care of them.
      I am like a growing pine tree.
      Their fruit comes from me.”

      9 Wise people will understand these things.
      A person with insight will recognize them.
      The Lord’s ways are right.
      Righteous people live by them.
      Rebellious people stumble over them.

    • Ted says:

      Abraham, offspring of Abraham, lsrael, sons of Israel, also offspring of Abraham, God’s people by frame of mind.
      Nation appointed, over God’s people. Nation blinded, “Nation OF Israel”,,, Jews/ Gods people are not, Jesus was a Jew, king over God’s people that the nation rejected. All God’s people heard God, through Jesus. One line by Jesus, settles the Nation OVER Israels fate. Very simple no interpretation needed, no confusion.

      • jacqueline says:

        Ted Thank you so much for your comment. We take the summer off to be with family physically and go out among the people to spread the gospel about Christ, so I don’t get to check the website as often because I travel in an RV and internet can be spotty when I park. Hope to connect again in the fall when we began the Support Group possibly the first Saturday after Labor Day. Take Care

  5. jacqueline says:

    The fear of Jehovah God has been lost today, although HE is a flaming fire!
    He told the Jews in Deuteronomy 28:1-68

    In Deuteronomy 28, God provides a list of blessings for obedience in verses 1–14 followed by a list of curses for disobedience in verses 15–68. While the entire list of verses will not be repeated here, the following concepts stand out as curses upon God’s people, Israel, for when they disobeyed His laws:

    1. Curses upon city and field: “You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country” (Deuteronomy 28:16).

    2. Curses upon food: “Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed” (Deuteronomy 28:17).

    3. Curses upon having children and upon livestock: “The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks” (Deuteronomy 28:18).

    4. Curses during travel and at all times: “You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out” (Deuteronomy 28:19).

    In verses 15–20, the word for “curse” is used seven times, and those curses are explained throughout the remainder of the chapter. The ultimate devastation for continued disobedience was that God’s people would be removed from the land and scattered among the nations of the earth. Verse 64 notes that God’s people would become like the pagans and serve other gods: “Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known.”

    The ultimate disgrace is given in the final verse of the chapter: “The Lord will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you” (Deuteronomy 28:68).

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