“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.”
Please feel free to question any doctrine or long held beliefs so we can prove to ourselves, from the Bible, "The Truthfulness of a Doctrine"
Acts 17:11 "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."
Ted R. we appreciated what you had to say about shunning and association. There was and we assume still is a misconception among the JW’s that the scripture dealing with “bad association” had to do with interpersonal relationships with people of corrupting influence which if the scripture is examined rationally is not the case. We have posted under “thoughts from a traveler” a post titled “footstep follower” which deals with this misconception of “bad association”. We hope you enjoy it.
I enjoyed this explanation of a few scriptures given by our friend Jeff Mezera.
The Great crowd.
Revelation 19 speaks of a great crowd in heaven. Rev. 19:1 specifically states that this group is in heaven itself. This is a group that is invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb but is not the bride herself. They sing praises regarding the Father who reigns and the bride who made herself ready.
6 Then I heard something like the voice of a great multitude and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of mighty peals of thunder, saying, “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns.
The marriage of the Lamb
7 “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.”
While Scripture defines more than 144,000 with a heavenly reward, as can be seen, not all who receive that reward will be the Bride of Christ.
The Bride of Christ are the ones who will reign with Christ over the masses of mankind and teaching them righteousness when God’s judgments will be in the earth.
4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
“For when the earth experiences Your judgments The inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.” Isaiah 26:9
Thanks for posting the title of the youtube video. I recall looking at it when it was mentioned on the FoJW website, but I couldn’t locate it the other day when I wanted to try to help Jacqueline find the title.
Hope you are doing well, my friend.
Jacqueline, that youtube documentary on 2483 years is called THE BIBLE: THE WORD OF GOD? EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS DEMAND EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. This goes on for an hour and a half, so if you go in 30 mins it starts the part you want.
Thanks Nubby, I will check this out. Also Thanks for the info on John Cedars narration of the annual meeting. The Apollo mission to the moon thing being sun worship is just crazy. Living in the past will not progress their organization. I still believe the FBI are involved with some of the stuff the governing body is doing because no one could be so blatant in some of their statements except to cause people to flee when they hear some of the odd stuff being said. On the news section I have here I am going to post the 35 million win by the abuse victims. One person called me today to say it just appeared in their small town newspaper.
That seems to have fixed it at my end. Nice!
And yes, I did notice how much real estate the banner took up. Like any work of art, this will get better with lots of nurturing. 🙂
One other thought, I like being able to address you here as simply Jacqueline. To me it sounds so much more friendly and relaxed. One Person to another Person, not letting titles, formalities, and other “traditions” begin to weigh down the open communication.
Like everything, there’s a time and a place for formalities. In my experience and opinion, descriptors like Br. and Sr. can be off-putting and reminiscent of scarier times for people. Not criticising anyone here. Just stating a truth.
I never liked having a definition behind my name. That was always a thorn in my mind. So here it should be a free site. People can talk about their hobby if they want to. It is about recovery and having a community to share your thoughts, fears and concerns with others. We know now we can go straight to God thru Jesus and rely on the help of the Holy spirit to understand what the Bible clearly teaches without having to adhere to a doctrine of any one religion. If that doctrine is what the Bible clearly teaches then fine. Such as hellfire, the Bible does not teach it! The trinity is not mentioned in the Bible but has a definite origin after the Apostles, these are clearly in the Bible.
All of us are brothers in Christ and each of us have a thought like brothers living long ago but we don’t have to accept anyone’s word as final on an issue but the word of God. I feel freer every day. This is a journey for sure.
Greg I also noticed the navigation banner covered the content so I figured out how to remove it. Now it should be better. Thank you so much.
I see in the recent comments list that Kent and Nubby have posted comments here. I have tried clicking on those links but I can only get your comment to display. Glitch or something? I tried Chrome and Firefox in case it was a browser issue.
Also, I sent you a reply via email.
You are right Greg, thank you I need to see what happened. Probably because I kept redoing the site. Will check it out. My settings might be off for comments. Will get me some coffee and check.
This seems interesting. Can we start new topics? http://www.587or607.com/
Yes, Kent there is lots of space to add articles from different brothers or sisters and put their name on it. It can be a blog so they can comment or it can just be an article of facts.
Do you know how to work wordpress? I don’t really, just learning as I go. I think I will go on you tube and learn.
I really wanted you to post your 607 info so we can talk about it and see what you found. This site won’t offend as we are trying to come to a conclusion without preconceived answers. It is good if we come to the same conclusions that we know but I am open to change. http://www.587or607.com/
Hi Jacqueline, so this is your new site? This is a great idea!
I read Ray Franz’s Crisis book and he said about the year 586/7 was more accurate and not a shred of evidence to support 607. And he interviewed a guy who wrote a book on the topic. There’s another book called Gentile Times Rediscovered (?) which goes into some detail too. I recall someone somewhere saying 2520 years starts from 536 and as the calendar was changed the 2520 became 2483 years which ended in 1948 – when the current State of Israel was formed. Coincidence?
Nubby Tope, thank you so much for commenting, I am just so new at this setting up a site thing.
I have been looking all over the internet for the video that I saw that showed the math to see how it adds up to 1948. I do wish we could get some more info on the 2520 years ending in 1948.
I am going to look thru you tube again to see if I can find it.
We just got off testimony meeting with Greg hosting. His wife is home now from the hospital, they have had a hard time of it here lately. We had six on at any given time so it went well.
So hopefully some of the friends will come on to heat up this discussion on 1948 and meantime I will continue searching for the you tube video that shows how to get it. Take Care