Small Talk & Stuff with Marjo

Meet Marjo from Finland 

A little bit of her life and journey below.

Go here for more of her story :

https://askjacqueline.life/staying-strong-amidst-difficulties/

Ladies Talking

Hello and Welcome!

My name is Marjo and I am married and we have 3 children together.

I am from Finland and my native language is Finnish.

I was baptized in 2002 and I left from Jehovah Witnesses in 2008.

The reason why I left was that I didn't get support from the congregation when it was needed.

My mother was also a Witness, but she left first. I was very alone in those moments.

When the elder told me that my mother is no longer a Witness

I began to cry. That was the only moment when someone was there for me.

No one ever asked me after that how I was, or have I got over this. 

Not even elders didn't come to see me and ask how I was doing after this. 

That is when I began to fade away. Then I met my husband in the same job. 

Then leaving from Witnesses was easy. 

Then I just e-mailed to one elder that I don't want to be a Witness anymore. 

There is little of my history from Witness times. I also couldn't stand that dress code.

Now I follow Yeshua only and read the Bible.

I love different cultures and languages. So it is nice to meet new people from all over the world.

Maybe we can learn something from each other 🙂

234 Responses to Small Talk & Stuff with Marjo

  1. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, finally I get to answer this. Marriage to the person you love is of the heart. But let me tell you my story on if your mate dies. Mine did. He was one of the first persons so young in our area’s kingdom halls to die young. I was pregnant and terrified. I wanted to be with him in the resurrection as was taught. “Not marry nor given in marriage” upset me. The watchtower society said no but couldn’t really explain why.

    But I can explain it now. He was 22 years old at death, I have grandchildren almost that age! My experiences and thoughts are not at all like his and his life would be as a young man, a child to me, a 71-year-old woman.

    Now is it sort of making sense? I have actually prayed to God about his wisdom in letting death be the end of any marriage arrangements. From the night my mom said Jackie your husband was murdered today! I was no longer as young as he was. I was grown beyond his years and now his son is 49 years old and we laugh at how he will have to bring his dad up to snuff on what happened in the world after he died.
    We don’t know how long the “Great White Throne” judgment period will be but everybody will stand before him so all of us will see dead loved ones in the judgment period. (Just getting to understand Rev 20:10-14)

    So we don’t know what bodies we will be given and I see how marriages wouldn’t make any sense at all, in my case. This concept of men thinking our dealings with God is in heaven but the Bible seems to indicate it is an earthly thing first.

    I am so glad to be back now. Migraines are so much easier to deal with than stroke or heart. So glad headaches I have been having are migraines, whew! 3 days of intense tests are no joke. I need to educate myself on this subject now along with my neurologist help.

    Love you and say hello to your family and kiss the Baby.

  2. Marjo says:

    We had an earthquake today here in Finland. It was 1.3 and 5km deep. It was very close to the surface. It happened 400km away from me where I live.

  3. jacqueline says:

    Mario, God’s schedule is for global peace to come first then HE launches the Great Tribulation. 2Thess.5
    We are going to see unprecedented peace. But then things starting happening fast to bring about the arrival of the second Coming of Christ. This might be one of the pieces to the puzzle but here is a link to one discussion on this.

  4. Marjo says:

    That article was interesting because of the peace what they want. Is that going to be the shout what Bible has omened.

    What comes to that latest post about going to heaven we don’t know for 100% how everything will happen after death.

    I found this video from youtube about end of the world. Here is one example how it would look like

    https://youtu.be/R7xSCjsg9pg

  5. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, thanks for posting. Henry had found an article when this council was happening that said Jehovah’s Witnesses didn’t answer or send a delegation. So hats off to them for that!

    1. Notice the two excerpts below show the Papal system seems to be coming back alive. We have been talking about this in the past months as you notice all over that the popes are leading again.
    2. The ecumenical movement, this is why I don’t use one set of books oe magazines to just study. It removes the Bible as the authority on matters. There is only the Truth found in the Bible, not religions saying they have the truth or calling their religion the truth.“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” John 17:17. We will see where this goes, it is their 10th one so the other nine did absolutely nothing.

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

    “Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.” John 18:37.

    “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” Matthew 24:35.

    1.” Who Is the Driving Force Behind These Interfaith Events?

    Rome’s Second Vatican Council produced two documents that laid the foundation for the modern ecumenical movement. “Unitatis Redintegratio” is a decree to restore the unity of the “Christian” churches [9] and “Nostra Aetate” is a decree to establish relations with “non-Christian” traditions. [10] Rome is leading the way to bring all the religions of the world into one for the purpose of implementing her final objective:

    2.
    Ecumenism, interfaith bridge-building, and inter-confessional cooperation have opened the door to a dangerous error called the relativism of truth. Ecumenism destroys the notion of absolute truth. It promotes the idea that there is no universal, objective truth because every belief system has its own unique perspective and identity. Ecumenism teaches that truth exists only in relation to everyone’s own unique cultural context and personal perception.”

  6. jacqueline says:

    But the risen Jesus is not in this sense a physical/bodily reality. The resurrection stories in the New Testament make that clear. The risen Jesus appears in a locked room (John 20). He journeys with two of his followers for a couple of hours and is not recognized – and when he is recognized, he vanishes (Luke 24). He appears in both Jerusalem (Luke and John) and Galilee (Matthew and John). He appears to Stephen in his dying moments (Acts 7). He appears to Paul in or near Damascus as a brilliant light (Acts 9). He appears to the author of Revelation on an island off the coast of Turkey in the late 90s of the first century (Rev. 1).

    These texts are not about Jesus being restored to his previous life as a physical being. If such events happen, they are resuscitations: resuscitated persons resume the finite physical life they had before, and will die again someday. Whatever affirming the resurrection of Jesus means, it does not mean this.

    Moreover, what would it mean to say that the risen Jesus is a physical/bodily reality? That he continues to be a molecular, protoplasmic, corpuscular being existing somewhere? Does that make any sense? How can the risen and living Jesus be all around us and with us, present everywhere, if he is bodily and physical?

  7. jacqueline says:

    Marjo got your picture in email. Wish it could be posted here.
    I will also comment after we finish our Thursday conference call.

  8. Marjo says:

    This just opened up to me like a lightning from a sky Mark 12 verses 18-26. Every time I\’ve just read this chapter but never thought clearly of its meaning. God wanted to tell me the meaning of this.

    18
    Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Jesus and questioned Him:

    19
    “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man is to marry his brother’s widow and raise up offspring for him.

    20
    Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died, leaving no children.

    21
    Then the second one married the widow, but he also died and left no children. And the third did likewise.

    22
    In this way, none of the seven left any children. And last of all, the woman died.

    23
    In the resurrection, whose wife will she be? For all seven were married to her.”

    24
    Jesus said to them, “Aren’t you mistaken because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?

    25
    When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.

    26
    But concerning the dead rising, have you not read about the burning bush in the Book of Moses, how God told him, ’I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?

    If I\’ve understood this correctly, when our spirit goes to heaven we don\’t live there same kind of life than we have lived here on the earth. In the heaven we don\’t marry anyone we are just spirits, children of God. As sad as it sounds, we might not even go to heaven as a marry couple. Resurrection as a spirit body is something we don\’t fully understand because we have long believed that our sould dies when our body dies.

  9. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I like the chronological order links. Also I have read Tobit and parts of maccabees.
    Jeff is Catholic and studied the other books during his life. He filled me in on some of the detail on some of the other books.
    I always felt Job placement in the Bible should be nearer its date, as it took place very early in history.

    I heard a talk on Moody Radio yesterday about the subject you brought up on Forgiveness.

    He brought out one crucial point to women in abuse. He showed David, Jesus and many more fled from attempts to harm them psychologically or physically even tho they harbored no ill will.

    A talk show had a speaker, and those in my car group and were amazed to hear her say Spiritual Abuse is being allowed.
    She gave many points on how to identify it. One point was about persons that leave it in a church only to go right back into the same type of church that does the same thing. How insightful.
    She also cautioned against engaging in intense arguments about doctrines, which is really nothing but Spiritual Abuse.
    Out Thursday night studies have been refreshing because we all bring something to the table without being dogmatic and argumentive but precise with what the text is saying.
    It has proved to be refreshing. Everybody gets to express themselves.
    I am so sorry we are on opposite sides of the world.
    We had over 1700 visitors this month so it is still silent gathering in Christ with them.

  10. Marjo says:

    That’s right. I think that is the gosbel that disciples were preaching. There is so much information about this in the Maccabees.

    2 Maccabees 12:45,46
    And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

    It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

    2 Maccabees 7:9
    And when he was at the last gasp, he said thus: Thou indeed, O most wicked man, destroyest us out of this present life: but the King of the world will raise us up, who die for his laws, in the resurrection of eternal life.

    John 11:25
    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

    This chronological order will help us to think the timeline how everything went.
    https://www.alltimelines.com/bible/
    Apochrypa:
    http://www.katapi.org.uk/OTApoc/ApocChronoOrder.htm

  11. jacqueline says:

    Good morning Marjo, before verse 6 notice who is in the first resurrection, it can be a whole lot of people, not just the 144,000 that we were taught. And they will be judges under Christ on the earth. This was hidden from us because the whole religion from Miller’s time to now was based on a special class being in heaven ruling over the earth. They call it getting their crown. This is still taught now.

    Those not willing to be ruled by the clear word of God will be ruled by tyrants. And this has been my whole life experience until now when I go straight to the Bible without books or magazines.

    The Saints with the Messiah:
    Rev. 20:4-6
    4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

    Notice the resurrected included the persecuted and killed for Christ, those that didn’t worship the beast or its image. Notice it is for testimony about Christ. That can be you, me and many more Christians that die before the Second Coming of Christ. He assures us that second death has no power over them. I don’t accept their teachings on second deathe either, but that is something to be yet revealed maybe by God in His own time and age.

    1John 5:13 “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.”
    We have been trained to hold our heads down like question marks, not exclamation points. Holy Spirit assures you of Hope.
    The word know means absolute assurance. According to verse 13, it is possible to be saved and know it. But the very fact that John wrote this verse shows that it is also possible to be saved and doubt it.

    Marjo, I am going to say with confidence that I accept Jesus and God’s plan for salvation, believe Jesus died, was resurrected and ascended into heaven to wait at the right hand of God ready to bring about salvation when God gives the command.
    When Jesus rose from the dead he gave us reason to hope with complete assurance that we would have eternal life. He has become “the firstfruits of those who are asleep” (1Corinthians 15:20).
    “that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures” (1Corinthians 15:3-4).

    So Marjo I have faith we will be in the first resurrection if we die before then. I just call it FAITH.

    WE shouldn’t fear Luke 21:28 “But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads because your redemption is drawing near.”

  12. Marjo says:

    Thank you for helping me to see this thing clearly.
    So we all are under the judgement before the death and hades is thrown to the lake of fire. When you hear that your name is in the book of life, then you can say you have won the battle.

    Next I’m going to study forgiveness, that is a topic JW didn’t teach alot. Or if they did they told that shunning is the only loving way to help to regret. As far as I’ve studied it is not how Bible say it that you should do that forever.

  13. jacqueline says:

    Hi, Marjo sorry to not get back sooner to see if I can put my two cents in.

    Rev.5:10 “You made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they will reign on the earth.” Christ rulership will be on earth as He said he would come again and every eye would see him. Rev 1:7:

    Rev 20:6-15
    6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
    I understand this that anyone resurrected during the 1,000 years is safe from the lake of fire, righteousness is imputed to them. Also there will be survivors of the Great tribulation. Satan is in the Abyss so He is not there to mislead>

    Then The Judgment of Satan:
    7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number, they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    Again we see satan is put in the lake of fire after the little season is over and this is also after the thousand years are over.

    Now The Judgment of the Dead:

    11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that was in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that was in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

    This is the Great white throne judgment where the rest of the dead comes to life as Rev 20:5 had said. It does not say how long this judgment period of the world will be but notice there is no satan and demons so everyone will have now been given not a second chance but an opportunity to choose God for themselves without the sin of Adam in their good bodies. 2Peter 3:9

    Got to run now but will check back tonight when I get back from dinner and a movie. Take Care Marjo Will you send me Sunora email in a private email? Thanks
    Marjo I might be reading to much on the text but since hades weren’t destroyed yet, EACH PERSON, INDIVIDUALLY IS JUDGED. Not as a group or class here.
    So it seems the “so called” nominal church or Christendom” had it right after all that we all must stand before the judgment seat. How long is this judgment period? The text does not say.
    Not adding or taking away from the actual words is how I came to my conclusions.
    There might be a lot I missed and others might see it but it is the best I see.
    What do you see?

  14. jacqueline says:

    Marjo hello, I will give my two cents worth later when I write up the order I see clearly from scripture. I have visitors here now and my family is calling me from all over so it might be tomorrow even. Maybe some of the other friends will answer right away. Take care.

  15. Marjo says:

    Thats true, they have been teaching us false truth that we already know. But again it is not other Witnesses fault, only those whom belong to that GB.

    What comes to Jeremiah, I think it’s about so called climate change they are talking about. In few years they have been saying that water resources have been used already It is not good to just not to pay attention on it. Flood in Noah’s day was a climate change too when God allowed to rain on the earth. It changed earth radically and also the wearther.

    Another question came to my mind while reading Revelation chapter 20 verse 6.

    Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

    When Jesus returns and destroys bad people from the earth, and those whom will survive of this judgement day are they also going to win the judgement of second death when 1000 years has passed? Is the second death only for those whom God will bring back to alive, not for them whom survived from judgement day?

  16. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, we missed the fact that God says he will create all things new. The earth suffered because of sin also. There will be damage even to Jerusalem
    Jeremiah 14: 4-8 Scientist say that this could be an earthquake because of the fault line that the Mount of Olives sits on. So like you mentioned a cosmic event could also cause damage but He says He is making all things new! I guess we have to wait and see how He will do this. I now take God at his word and not explain or allegorize everything He says.

    Also Marjo I never notice the timeline lineup of Revelation before! It shows the general resurrection of the dead taking place not during the thousand years as we were taught but after the thousand years. Not just after the thousand years but after the little season is over and the devil is put in the lake of fire.!

    Did you know that? Both the ones in the first resurrection and those living during the thousand years and the general resurrection won’t have satan around! Now it makes so much more sense to go by what Revelation 20 says the order of events are rather than the doctrine we were taught. It doesn’t say how long the judgment period is when the books are open either. We were taught it was a thousand years.

    How could Russell, Rutherford, Knorr, Franz and now the governing body not see this order of events? God reveals and conceals until he is ready to teach us. Learning so much now from studying without books or magazines written by men.

    Check it out below and tell me if you see it, please. Also, wonder why the torment forever and ever is NOT said of the ones resurrected and thrown into the lake of fire? hmmm

    Revelation 20 New International Version (NIV)

    The Thousand Years
    20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

    4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

    The Judgment of Satan
    7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    The Judgment of the Dead
    11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

  17. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    You are exactly right. As a Christian I don’t refer to myself as gay. I have homosexual tendencies. But I’m not a gay Christian. I’ve always said I do not consider myself LGBTQ. They are over there and i am over here.
    There are so many “welcoming” churches that have allowed gays to get married. They have taken the 6 passages and reinterpreted them to mean anything but homosexuality. For example in Roman’s 1:26-27 they say this really means that God was condemning Male temple sex prostitution. And that this was taking about natural meaning that God created us gay so that is our natural tendency. They’ve take the sodom and Gomorah story and said this this means that god was condemning gang rape. They say these verses have no mention of “committed same sex relationships.” One proponent of this is “Matthew Vines”. I mean aside from religion look at our bodies. They are designed to fit heterosexully. Watch the video on YouTube “Homosexuality 101” she explains what causes it and its amazing and fit most gay men’s experiences.

  18. Marjo says:

    I agree with you that it is good to stay away from conflicts. This Bible verse is good to remember these days

    Matthew 10:16
    Behold, I am sending you out like sheep among wolves; therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

    When you see that time is going more and more difficult for believer, then you should be shut up and let others live their lives they have chosen to. There is no point to speak anyone who is not willing to take any advice.

    I have told my children that if there is gay people in their school they can behave nicely for them, because you never know they might some day regret their behaving and worship God in a way He accepts.

    Yes we can see that world is changing. We can see the signs on the sky aswell. Many asteroids has passed the earth way too close. Even bigger asteroid as big as a mountain is reaching the earth in 10 years. They don’t know yet if it is going to hit on the earth or is it going to pass by.

    I’m sure that Witnesses have also seen that world has darkened. The most important thing is that we take care of ourselves and follow Christ to the end.

    About resurrection I find this Bible verse very encouraging.

    John 11:25,26
    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me will live, even though he dies.

    And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

  19. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, the scene of the world is changing. I have tried to cope by being a little low key. By that I mean No arguments, letting others make their statements but not engaging when I know it will end up in arguments or discord. I don’t call or go to the homes of relatives that have made it clear they don’t want to talk to me. I feel they have the right to make that decision and I don’t want to have them have to make a choice.
    After all, I know the rules of their religion and I would never want to make them feel uncomfortable.

    I was speaking with a person that goes to the conventions to hand out literature outside the witness conventions and they asked if others would join. I said no, leave them alone. I only wanted to be able to leave myself without being badgered to come back or ridiculed for my choice to just use the Bible in a very small group.

    Since my family nor the witnesses are objecting to this verbally with me I am at peace and we understand each other. Confrontations and arguing over scripture does not make sense now. I am finding the Bible very easy to understand.
    Maybe along with times getting bad the truth is finally opening up by the great revealer and concealer Jehovah.

    Your country might be showing what is ahead in this spiritual fight between the spiritual world. Time will soon tell. In the meantime, I stay away from arguments but love our humane and respectful discussions both here and on the Thursday and Saturday night sessions. We ar getting closer to God and Jesus now without manmade religion and books.

    Your two-year-old doesn’t like daycare, no surprise there. Maybe when he gets accustomed to it and make a friend he will like going for a few hours. I was the complete stay at home mom and my children went to school at 5 years old and a few days out of the week to children’s programs. But now everything is different.

    Marjo I pray earnestly now for the Kingdom to come. I think we are in for a ride but even if some of us die we know the resurrection is sure because Christ rose and it is settled for those that love him.
    This is the simple truth that I go by now and it brings me peace.

    Let us know how that trial turns out. I t will be interesting how it is handled. If Islam jurors are a factor it could turn out very different.

    Take care and so glad to hear from you.

  20. Marjo says:

    We are all good. Our youngest one started daycare, he has been there just 3 weeks now. He doesn’t want to stay there, but he has to learn to trust those people whom are taking care of other children too. I think he is trusting few person in that place, but others he wont. I don’t know but he has this ability to choose, whom he can trust. He is only 2 years old so I think that has something to do with that aswell he doesn’t trust people so easily. Some parents take their child to daycare when they turn 1 year old.

    I’m glad that you have had a chance to be with your granchildren. Jehovah has blessed you in many ways.

    I was trying to get myself to study nursing, but there were too many people whom wanted to be there so I wasn’t chosen. I guess that wasn’t the place where God wanted me to go. Before that I made a pray that if that is the place he has chosen me to be. Well I wasn’t but now I am looking for other choises. It is difficult to be a nurse in this country. Low paid and too much work. It is sad to see that government in my country doesn’t have no intrest to take care of old people. Even tho these people have built this country what it is today, but now it is going worse. It feels like they want to drive original people away from Finland and take in people from other countries where they worship islam. Countries where is not good to be. This country is not the same as it has been before. We know what islam is. You can not even say anything negative about islam either, or you are being watched.

  21. jacqueline says:

    Marjo hello, a couple of people asked about you.
    Interesting, that moral issues are being treated like social issues such as racism or deformity etc, calling it hate speech.
    I heard a Greek minister explain the meaning of porneia. I often wondered why the watchtower society in the 70s had a hard time defining this word. He stated it refers to male on male sexual relations. Not female with female. He said the effeminate one is the male that plays the female role in these relationships.
    So the question that was put before him was why the Bible said in revelation ” outside are the dogs” etc. ( I will insert scripture when I get to my computer.)
    He said that is what the male temple prostitutes were called and also the pedacrast, the men that had sexual relations with young males.
    He said after the thousand years and the judgment of the resurrected dead outside are ones who still identified themselves as gay, cowards etc.
    By that time all have had a chance to conform to what Jehovah says is right or wrong.
    For instance no Christian would say, “I am gay”. That is not an identity no more than I would say, I am an adulterer when introducing myself or I am a liar when introducing myself. They might say I once practiced porneia but I now follow God’s commands like an adulterer or cleptomaniac (a thief) would say in their testimony. Gay is not who a person is it is a practice of their sexuality.
    People are believing the lie all over the world. Even some Ministers are giving in.
    Many of us choose to sin but we don’t try to make everyone accept our conduct.
    In fact the sexual cletivities of a human should be their own private life and not flaunting it all over the streets.I could care less what men or women are doing in their bedrooms.
    I have decided not to discuss it with practicers that want to fill me in on their role and make me a part of their flirting with the same sex while walking with me.
    I am done.

    Let us know how the trial turns out please.

    Now how is your family? I have had visits from my children and grandchildren often this summer. It was an answer to my prayers to just see them again after my stroke, He went further and I had them with me for days on many occasions! He is a Big God and can give more than asked for if we just Trust and Obey Him!

  22. Marjo says:

    Hello! It has been long time since I’ve been here.
    Where to begin….well…we don’t have freedom of speech in my country anymore. One woman wrote a comment in twitter about church taking part to gay pride. That sin has now become acceptable in church. Now police has begun pretrial investigation about her comment against gay people. She has been accused as incitement to ethnic or racial haterd. Today you have to be careful where to use Bible verses. I guess Bible will be outlaw in the near future.

    As a follower of Jesus we should not be afraid of anything. I have been reading encouraging verses from Maccabees where followers of Jesus were faithful to Him in their last breath.

    I have also been studying resurrection and came to that point that JW’s has lied to us for ages. Resurrection is a thing that you should not just pick up one verse from the Bible and say this is it how it is.

    Anyway I hope you are all well!

    -Marjo

  23. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, so glad you have settled in a class with Christians that use the Bible. That is what the truth is. Tell them all hello for me. Russell is dead and can’t speak for himself and really he is no more an authority on anything than other of the many God-fearing Christians that have the same Holy Spirit, even you and I.
    I am not really that concerned about Russell’s racist statements, I grew up in the south under Jim Crowe laws in Birmingham, Al. one of the worse in the union of the 50 states.

    You were not on our calls and therefore don’t know how that conversation got started of referring to me as a slave and after a very heated discussion before ALL with a brother in our group the elder started it up again in what he thought was a private conversation between me and him but the BBB was open and I had hit merge by mistake with another brother. Then this man, a Bible student wanted to know what Russell taught about Black people.

    So I obliged and printed it publicly. Don’t let that article bother you because we aren’t bothered. It is an answer and about a few interviews and attacks on our group. You aren’t aware therefore you can just ignore that. I am in my 70’s and have learned to effectively deal with the issue of prejudice and will not back down because it makes some uncomfortable. All of us know about the struggles and resistance we had while trying to go straight to the Bible and Christ.
    It has nothing to do with you, I simply printed what I found and what a Bible Student elder wanted to know. Case closed.
    Russell is dead he should be allowed to rest in peace. I feel God let me go back to see where everything started, I did and I am a writer, so I share. Take from it like you would a buffet, don’t eat what you don’t find appetizing.

    We are simply Christians here and our study group has a name Borean Bible students because they were used as an example of what God accepts, searching out for themselves.

    I always ask How is your mom? Express my hello to her, please. Take Care

  24. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    Yes I understand. I love my ecclesia. We reason from what the scripture says. We don’t believe something just because Russell said it. Even we say that some of our brethren are Russellites. I asked my ecclesia about how the feel about the race comments Russell said (13/14 of my class is black) and they say it’s not going to stop them from making my calling and election sure. They say they don’t care. . Sad thing is Russell didn’t set things up like this. This is the creature worship that many have come to learn. I love reading Russell’s stuff. But I don’t whole heartily accept it because he said it. Like when he says that there’s a difference between the awakening from the dead and a resurrection. Because the same word “Anastasis” is used for those in the Old Testament.

    Hebrews 11:35
    “35 Women received their dead by a resurrection [Anastasis]: and others were tortured, not accepting their deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:”

    The sadducees didn’t believe in the resurrection. This doesn’t mean that they didn’t believe in a “full standing up” but that they didn’t believe the dead would rise.

    Many choose to believe what Russell wrote. I’m surprised many don’t say “If we look at 2 Russell Chapter 3 Verse 9). Some believe everything in those volumes. Some believe that the general call closed in 1881. And we are crown replacements. Um we’ve had way over 144,000 consecrate since 1914 alone. So I guess everyone is falling out.

    I love my ecclesia. We discuss and are not Russellites.

    I don’t study much on the Pyramid. I used to obsess over it. But Isaiah 19:19,20 to me is weird. Why would God just drop the great pyramid right into the middle of a Bible passage? I study the tabernacle. I have Frey’s note and they are like 700 pages. It’s phenomenal. I read everything tho. I read Jw stuff and have all of the Laymen’s but I don’t accept anything just on a whim. I’m not just going to let anyone kick me out of what I believe to be the truth.

    From what I see, some people are attacking Russell because of what the brethren are doing. Russell never viewed himself the way the Bible students do it did in the 1800’s. This is all new. So I don’t blame Russell for what happened or is happening now. Some brethren have absolutely broken off of the Bible students because it brethren but have studied by themselves. They aren’t going to leave what they believe to be the truth nevssoe of man. Many didn’t believe in the Pharisees or Sadducees but they didn’t leave Judaism because it was corrupted by men.

  25. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, we have to keep focus on who the enemy really is. This is a spiritual war and the enemy is satan. He may use people to his end to take us out.
    Satan is a deceiver and a liar. He is a great divider he is especially active within the Church. We are playing into the hands of satan when don’t allow association because of not obeying the thoughts of a few men or one.
    To say one goes to second death because they don’t obey the heads of the organization is destruction with our mouths!
    Satan’s job is to divide and deceive. He uses immorality to bring down whole classes. Indifference of some who says I will just sit here and not speak out or up or vote with their feet and leave large groups.
    Gossip is another divisive force used by satan.
    Satan is invisible but if these things are prevalent within a Church it has been taken over by demonic teachings.
    There is no neutral ground on this battleground and we do have to take a stand and not have other gods, whose words are stronger than the word of God.
    Religions that I have associated with in my lifetime are all worshippers of a man, organization and their literature is Bible rather than the word of God.
    Getting as near to the occult with pyramids bouncing all over charts and sacrificing children with no blood policies is just to close to what satan likes and deals in.
    Just a few thoughts on how serious I take it in going back to things closer to the works of satan. It is okay to worship God with two or three. That is clear in the Bible.
    Satan is a created creature who will fight Michael but Not God and staying under the power of God protects us.
    For me it means watching the deception of false teachings in books and pamphlets.

  26. jacqueline says:

    Christ, unless the woman hates the situation she could go back.

    I also stopped field service because I couldn’t bring people into an organization that I no longer believed in. I stopped attending book study in 2004 while they were still in homes because I recognized that Israel was who Isaiah was talking about and not Witnesses. After being told by the elder to just accept what the slaves says!, when I revealed I felt we had made a mistake saying we were Israel. I finally said to him he wouldn’t have to worry about me expressing my views anymore. I never attended even when he called me out before others. I just ignored him. I met his relatives in the Bible students. He was from the Chicago break away in the 1930s.

    I regard them among the fringe, date setting religions, who feel they are the special body of Christ and not other Christians.
    I don’t have a longing for the association because I made friends before I left. Mentally I began disengaging in 1996 after I toured and saw the governing body for who they were when I visited Bethel often. Because I knew this my accountability before God has to be respected. He knew I saw things that revealed these people are not right. They are billionaires and living the life. Harsher than any of the entertainers I traveled with. In fact, I learned more about God and His love by participating in our religious service while touring. These people loved God.
    Jehovah knows I have researched the beginning of the religion and know it is the foundation that has an exclusive us only belief. They believe you can just read or listen to their material and understand and not understand if you just use the Bible.

    Christopher, I understand routine. I never miss reading the Bible every day. And every Thursday and Saturday we meet together. So I understand how it feels to meet together. So much money is wasted going to conventions and paying large sums for rooms and food. We can see each other in our free conference calling. For Memorial 6 of us were actually sitting with each other and the other 10 or so, including their children, were at the conference call.
    We communicate on the site because it gives us a sense of we can reach out at any time to talk.

    It is strange that this website “Ask Jacqueline” was created as a page for a teenager who wanted to talk to me, Her mother and I was opening a page to help the teenagers speak in private without other adults knowing what they were saying. It was to have a password to get on, but God saw differently and this is what we have.

    We had a lot of people trying to sabotage us in the beginning but they didn’t know it was God who sent this page down this path, by one teenage girl saying, mommy, I want to speak with Jacqueline about something private.

    So in conclusion, you don’t have to belong to an organization or an association and burn a lot of money traveling to get to God.

  27. Chris Johns says:

    Hey Jacqueline,
    Yes I’ve heard most of this. I don’t go back because I had to “come out of her” so that I don’t partake in her plagues. Plus I could never support and bring anyone in who may need a blood transfusion. I recently ran into my old internship teacher and she said I was the reason she went into the WT after years of being inactive. She was the one that told me that they had oedophiles and at that time I didn’t know anything about it. So how she could go back is beyond me. I never used words like “Jehivah’s organization” or “Faithful and Discreet Slave”. I used to cringe when they used those words in prayer at the end of the meeting.

  28. jacqueline says:

    Hi Christopher, worshipers of God all have different paths they take as far as association is concerned.
    I don’t really care about religions doctrines if I see the BIBLE clearly does not teach it. I can believe what I see from Scripture.

    The Governing body of The So-called ” Jehovah” witnesses organization required worship of them as men and as an idol.
    One statement made was even if you can prove us wrong by scriptures, you must teach it until we change the teaching.
    I can reject them on that because the Bible clearly teaches that Gods’ word is to be found true and every man a liar.

    They harbor and protect pedophiles and elders that are immoral and preys on the flock. Meaning they will act against the victim and anyone supporting the victim or reporting abuses.
    This puts them in the dangerous and bad association category. To associate and follow their warped thinking may just cause me to become like them. Many regular attendees go along with and support these actions and policies of the governing body and its elders, circuit overseers, etc.

    My health situation is between me and my doctor, My father took blood transfusions and defied the organization to do something about it.
    I have gone into the hospital for serious operations and never informed the congregation on quite a few occasions. I never had a visit from anyone but my immediate family and that was limited.
    Adults don’t have to call these people when you go to the hospital and many Witnesses have been brought in by being targeted and so you have a bunch of people that will listen in their home and obey, Any answering the door with questions or put up a barrier are written off as goats and no effort is made to convert those people.

    So you have an organization full of gullible, immature, immoral(Pedophiles like these type of religions and organizations) and people too lazy to handle their private affairs.

    No one can determine the second death. The Bible clearly says anyone not written in the Lambs book of life goes there. It isn’t that hard to understand. Your doctor will give a blood transfusion if his patient agrees, they don’t consult with your elders.
    So I left because of obedience not to have another God before his face, even if it is nine or one man,men.

  29. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    I absolutely loved being a JW. My Kingdom Hall was amazing. Even after I left when I was treated like crap at the convention my elder offered me a seat with him at the convention. He said he would always help me. I miss the JWs very much. The culture and the friends and feeling like I had a purpose. Somewhere to be on Wed and Sunday. But the idea that not everyone will be raised and that everyone will go into second death who die in Armageddon and that we should reject a blood transfusion is beyond me.

  30. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, no I haven’t had any problems with my internet. Perhaps in the areas where the earthquakes were, they might have a lot of cables carried internet. Or the earthquakes and over a thousand aftershocks could be a problem. Our news is distracted a lot by the antics in the White House, so we miss out on some important news, a great distraction for now.

    I sincerely hope your son’s guardian heeds your advise and keep yall away from the Witnesses. I would be great however for him to learn the Bible itself. He has the internet and can find some great men of faith that have no agenda to worship a “Faithful and Discreet Slave”.

    Read over Bro. Dave commet for this week and tell us your thoughts. Take care.

  31. Marjo says:

    Yes I am glad that his foster dad knew what kind of people Witnesses are. I told him to look after that boy so Witnesses would not bother him.

    Do you have problems with internet and social media over there? I’ve seen lots of reports about internet problem in the US. Some say that it is caused by quakes that is messing with the cables.

  32. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, you have saved a young person from the pain of going through the total takeover and destruction of his young life. You have reached a relative, which is unusual. I find it to mentally exhausting speaking to my immediate family and since I know Jesus got this I choose not to bring up religion with them.
    Sometimes however one of them will bring it up or ask about a scripture. I have found the anger is so great if I answer that I don’t speak just let them tell me what they see. I have had to deal with a delicate subject this month within the family and the emotional toll just isn’t worth it. I have decided to deal with my family that is abusive to me. If illness strike I have learned it is best not to call that person because they will say even while ill I don’t talk to you.
    This is good in a way because now I don’t have to feel bad when there is a death and I won’t have to attend now. That saves me mental harm.
    Enjoy your family. I am enjoying the ones that are in my life and realizing many people on this earth don’t have blood family or only one or two persons. As the number shrinks, I have more time to spend with the ones I love and all my spiritual brothers and sisters.

    Silver lining to every storm!

  33. Marjo says:

    Hello! I have had a busy week. My husband’s son came to visit for 2 days. I had a chance to speak some sense for him, because few Witnesses were bothering him. One of them called to him and asked when they could meet him. He also gave them his e-mail address, but that was a mistake. Obviously they are still keeping book of people whom they have met, even tho it is now illegal in our country. When I explained to him what kind of these people really are he understood. I spoke to his foster parent about this and he also spoke to him that they are not good for him. So I think my husband’s son understood.

    Of course I told him that it is enough when you believe that Christ is son of God and he died for us and rose from the grave and read the Bible.

  34. Rene says:

    Part 3 (Hope)
    None of us, are born complete and with soundness of mind, body and spirit when compared to “perfect” man. I believe in ancient Jewish culture, they were not only aware of the need for God’s promised messiah and humanities need to be restored/remade, but I think it was reflected even in the meaning behind certain words. As you probably know Shalom is an Israelite greeting similar to hello and goodbye, but this is only a very small aspect of its intended meaning.

    To quote Karina Allen (2017) https://www.incourage.me/author/karina2

    “Shalom is a Hebrew word meaning completeness, wholeness, health, peace, welfare, safety, soundness, tranquility, prosperity, perfectness, fullness, rest, harmony, or the absence of agitation or discord. It comes from the root verb shalom, which means to be complete, perfect, and full.”

    Shalom is not just a greeting, it is a hope on another’s behalf, that God give to that person what they are lacking in their lives so that they are made whole and receive God’s peace. God’s peace is not like man’s peace (John 14:27). When I think about examples like this, I am reminded of God’s promise to restore all those who love him and keep his laws (Jeremiah 29:11). God desires the complete restoration of the spiritual, physical, moral, mental, and emotional human. Peace from God is freedom from all conflict within our members and more importantly with him. God’s commitment to the restoration of all things including the return of humanity to a whole and complete state cannot be understated. It was through the death of his beloved son who sacrificed his life to give humanity the opportunity to experience true peace through the reunification of spirit and an absence of sin and death (Hebrews 9:15).

    Presently, all who are born into the world are inexperienced, underdeveloped, and suffer in a world that does not have the ability to meet all of mankind’s needs. Many individuals struggle to find some measure of happiness in this fleetingly temporary existence (James 4:14). All of us currently live that fall short of God’s loving intentions for us, as none of reach our full potential nor are able to experience the delight and wonder that God intended when the human race was created. As a result, we all suffer spiritual physical and mental depreciation as we navigate our existence, but some of us more than others 2 Corinthians 4:8.

    It is with great appreciation that God has given us a King and intercessor that understands the plight of those most in disharmony physically, spiritually, and morally. It was the custom of some kings in ancient times to send their son who would succeed him to the worst provinces in order to learn how to govern more effectively. During the acceptable year of the Lord, humanity got a taste of the good things to come and glimpse into the compassion of God and Christ for imperfect humanity (Mark 2:16-17). Everyone regardless of the burdens that we carry can look forward to the future with confidence. Moreover, we should also look to Jesus examples of mercy and do what is within our power to try to fill the holes in our brothers and sisters, so that they are not broken in spirit because of the weight they carry (Galatians 6:2). Let our conduct towards those who are not living in sin but born with burdens reflect that we are a people of God that builds up and comfort those in their tribulation and do not needlessly tear down and destroy.

  35. Rene says:

    PART 2 (Pain of not living a complete existence)
    There are some inherent social stigma’s in many societies that can be projected onto individuals that suffer biological abnormalities. These abnormalities can include sexual infirmity due to illness, injury or genetics. Many cultures in history and in the present can also discriminate people with these conditions by attributing the condition to supernatural sources resulting from sin or divine disfavor.
    When I was contemplating the biblical account of Elizabeth’s (John the Baptists mother) I imagined what might have been a very difficult existence for her and her husband. According to the Gospel of Luke, Elizabeth was “of the daughters of Aaron” (1:5). She and her husband Zachariah were “righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless” (1:6–7), but childless.
    As Elizabeth’s husband was a priest in the order of Zadok, it must have attracted the attention of the community that the many prayers likely to have been made over the years on Elizabeth’s behalf had gone unanswered by God. This was not an easy stigma for women who were not able to conceive to endure (1 Samuel 1:6) (Genesis 30:1). The shame and quiet accusations that Elizabeth might have had to bear all her adult married life must have been painful to say the least.

    Elizabeth had a little in common with the blind man, in that they both suffered from biological malfunctions that prevented them from living normal and happy lives and likely felt disconnected in some ways from others in their community due to possible shame and ostracism. Jesus provided a loving and balanced view in answering Peters socially prejudice assertions about the handicap. Not only were we not to assume that birth defects and disabilities are a result of sin, but that “the works of God might be displayed” in the lives of people with disabilities when God’s blessings are at work in their lives (John 9:1-12). This was certainly the case in both Elizabeth’s condition and in the man born blind (Luke 1:25).

    We should not as believers judge the bad that is present in a person’s life as an indication of poor character and we should not assume that individuals with birth abnormalities that cause abnormalities in their sexual identities and function to be inherently outside of Gods grace. Bad things do not only happen to bad people as Jesus attempted to correct this prevailing incorrect view of cause and effect (Luke 13:4).

  36. Anonymous says:

    REVISED COMMENT(s) 😊

    I read your reply, and my heart truly goes out to your friend and Brother/sister in Christ, who must live life essentially caught between two existences. These are situations that cause spiritual conundrums among those in the theological community and lead to overly liberal or overly condemnatory spiritual verdicts. It does not help that some of those in positions of authority in churches and spiritual institutions do not understand psycho-sexual development well enough from a scientific perspective. I think that if more accurate and factual information were factored into discussions like this, spiritual counselors would be better informed about the emotional and social implications of abnormal sexual development. Sexuality is not only a spiritual matter and the topic could be addressed more broadly. This would make spiritual counsel more balanced, compassionate, and effective. I also agree with you, that the problem for people who do not fit neatly into male/female categories is complicated and there is a tendency to oversimplify the discussion. Some being well meaning but uniformed opt to Tell these affected individuals to leave things in God’s hands. While this is an important aspect of relying on God’s strength, it shouldn’t take place of practical help, compassion and support from those in a position to give it. It also fails to acknowledge the reality of the effects of stigma, which can lead to depression and social isolation that often accompanies problems like these (James 2:16).

    As it stands, we (as a society) don’t yet know the full extent of how man’s changes to our environment are affecting issues like gender and sexual identity (on a genetic level). I still maintain it is fair to conclude that there is enough credible evidence to more than infer that these alterations are causing fundamental changes in the intended gene expression in some exposed people. I can’t think of a more basic human right violation than to remain unmolested by chemicals during fetal development.
    We are also not having the right kind of discussions on the subject as a society. If we know that we can observe and confirm that herbicides and chemicals are altering the sexual development of affected animals, then it is not a stretch to believe that this is happening in humans.

    Our loving God did not intend any of us to live with innate needs that were destined to go unfulfilled (Matthew 6:8). We now know (scientifically) that unmet needs (both psychological and physical) cause very real tension and discomfort in all of us. One theory called drive reduction theory by Clark Hull is a theory that postulates that our external behaviors are an outward indication of an inward desire to fulfill an unmet need. But there are some needs that we may not be able to fulfill and living with that discomfort can be painful and difficult.

    God in his mercy has promised to sustain our existence (as faithful believers) but has not promised that our existence would be free of want and devoid of suffering (Isaiah 43:2). He has promised us that in the future he will create a world free of suffering and we will find perfect fulfillment and happiness (Romans 8:21) (2 Corinthians 4:17).
    Because of this hope and our respect for God’s authority, we as humans do not have any right to fulfill our perceived needs at God’s expense. This is especially true when God has made his views expressly clear on a matter (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Although we are free moral agents, there are rights we have, but also certain responsibilities we must maintain along with this freedom. We must keep our bodies and minds in accordance to the boundaries that he has set (1 Corinthians 10:23). To do otherwise would be to reject his authority as our maker (Deuteronomy 10:12-13).
    There are many individuals both hetero and homosexual who are living lives of abstinence and celibacy. They do this because they are unwilling to break God’s law in order to meet needs that would come at expense of their personal relationship with God (1 Corinthians 10:13). Churches and congregations can be an enormous source of comfort and encouragement to these individuals as they are excellent examples of Christian integrity. These ones can helped to maintain their integrity through the safety and support that a good spiritual support system can provide (Romans 15:5) (Romans 15:1-2) (Matthew 25:35-39).

    It should always be kept in mind that God understands and sees what we all endure. My father said something to me once that had a profound impact on me. He said, “God doesn’t just see when you make a mistake, he sees every time that you don’t as well”. God desires each of us to keep on enduring and to not tire out, because our sacrifices now will pave the way for an eternity of peace in God’s Kingdom.

  37. Rene says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    I wanted to revise my last post as I felt it was an important topic. I wanted to support God’s natural law and his views on how humans should express themselves sexually and always offer agreement with scripture. I wanted to make my statements moderate and reflecting a mild temperament which does not lead to overly liberal or overly dogmatic views on scriptural subjects where there are no express grounds to support it. I also re-read my response and realized that I convey my thoughts are so much better when my blood oxygen levels are stable lol. I am feeling much better since I have received treatment and wanted to thank all of you who prayed on my behalf. I didn’t get to thank all of you and have missed our wonderfully up-building conference calls this week, but I wanted to tell all of you that you really do mean the world to me and have been a comfort in my tribulation. I have decided to try and scale back on writing, just a wee bit so while I am in treatment so that the quality doesn’t suffer. I do enjoy the up-building exchange on our site, but I would like it better if I am sure I am rightly understood. I don’t think that I will slow my participation too much, but I need to adjust things a little and I appreciate your invaluable help in assisting me with finding a good balance and helping me as you have. I truly appreciate the time that I have been given with you all and the love and encouragement that abounds with all of you. I truly feel loved and accepted and I appreciate everyone’s commitment to making sure of all things and striving to provide an environment that promotes spiritual growth, absence of anything offensive to God, and true brotherly love. I love all of you and I wish you all a wonderful blessed and spirit filled week.

  38. jacqueline says:

    Rene thank you so much for the deeper definition of what Shalom means, it is a fuller meaning than hello. “Let tho Kingdom come” is a full phrase also. It means all wrongs will be righted and there will be harmony in body, mind, spirit, and heaven. Mary and Jesus suffered them saying he was a bastard child whose father wasn’t known. Abraham and Sarah were as you mentioned a disgrace to be barren, but at 100 and 90, God showed it is me who removes curses!

    Paul says that creation was subjected to futility in Romans 8:20-21 ESV:

    For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.”

    Who is the one referred to by the phrase, “him who subjected it”? The overall context of Romans suggests God, Adam, and Satan as possible options.

    God
    If we read the entire sentence, we see that “him who subjected it” subjected it to futility.

    “Subjected” here is the Greek word hypotassō, which means to “arrange” or “set in order” (reference).
    “Futility” here is mataios which means “devoid of force”, “useless”, “vain” (reference)

    So, “him who subjected it” is the one who [set it in order] of [vanity].

    We can see quite clearly that it was God who set creation in the order of vanity and futility:

    Genesis 3:17-19 (NIV)
    17 To Adam, he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

    “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil, you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
    18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
    19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food
    until you return to the ground since from it you were taken;
    for dust you are and to dust, you will return.”

    Furthermore, we can see this supported by a couple of verses in Isaiah:

    Isaiah 2:5-6 (NIV)
    5 The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant.
    6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.

    In this passage, we see that Adam and his descendants were the ones to violate the covenant (in verse 5), but it’s the curse that consumes the earth. This is the same curse we see in Genesis 3 given by God. While humans bear the guilt of the curse, it was God who was the creator of the curse.

    Summary
    While both Adam and God were responsible for subjecting the world (setting it in order) in the Garden of Eden, the one who subjected it to futility was God.
    So it is GOD that will remove the curse of genetic anomalies, pain and all of the climate and social problems of this world because He will prove to creation both in heaven and earth that He alone can do this.

  39. Rene says:

    Hi Jacqueline,

    I read your reply, and my heart truly goes out to your friend and Brother/sister in Christ, who must live life essentially caught between two existences. These are situations that cause spiritual conundrums among those in the theological community and lead to overly liberal or overly condemnatory spiritual verdicts. It does not help that some of those in positions of authority in churches and spiritual institutions do not understand psycho-sexual development well enough from a scientific perspective. I think that if more accurate and factual information was factored into discussions like this, spiritual counselors would be better informed about the emotional and developmental implications of abnormal sexual development. Sexuality is not only a spiritual matter and the topic should be addressed more broadly. This would make spiritual counsel more balanced, compassionate, informed and most of all effective (Philippians 1:9).

    Our loving God did not intend any of us to live with innate needs that were destined to go unfulfilled (Matthew 6:8). We now know (scientifically) that unmet needs (both psychological and physical) cause very real tension and discomfort in all of us. One theory called drive reduction theory by Clark Hull is a theory that postulates that our external behaviors are an outward indication of an inward desire to meet an unmet need. When we are hungry, we eat, thirsty we drink, disconnected from God we pray, but there are some needs that we may not be in apposition to fulfill and living with that discomfort can be painful and difficult. God in his mercy has promised to sustain our existence (as faithful believers) but has not promised that our existence would be free of want and devoid of suffering (Isaiah 43:2). He has promised us that in the future he will create a world free of suffering and we will find perfect fulfillment and happiness (Romans 8:21) (2 Corinthians 4:17).

    Because of this hope and our respect for God, we as humans do not have any right to fulfill our needs at God’s expense when has clearly made his views and laws clear on a matter (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Although we are free moral agents, there are rights and responsibilities we must maintain our bodies and minds in accordance with the boundaries that he has set (1 Corinthians 10:23). To do otherwise would be to reject his authority as our maker and there is no other way of viewing this (Deuteronomy 10:12-13)

    There are many individuals both hetero and homosexual who are living lives of celibacy because they are unwilling to break God’s law in order to meet their needs in a way that would compromise their relationship with God (1 Corinthians 10:13). Churches and congregations can be an enormous source of comfort and encouragement to these individuals as they are good examples of Christian integrity and need the safety and support of their spiritual brothers and sisters (Romans 15:5) (Romans 15:1-2) (Matthew 25:35-39). It should be remembered that God understands and sees what we all endure. My father said something to me once that had a profound impact on me. He said, “God doesn’t just see when you make a mistake, he sees every time that you don’t as well”.

    Everyone should keep enduring and not tire out because our sacrifices now will pave the way for an eternity of peace in God’s Kingdom. I also agree with you, that the problem (people who do not fit neatly into male/female categories) is more complicated than our society would like to admit. Telling these affected individuals that it’s in Gods hands (in place of practical help and compassion), is dismissive of the reality of “STIGMA” depression and social isolation that they face (James 2:16) Many societies both past and present have shown a tendency to believe that any type of disability, infirmity or birth defect is a moral reflection on the sufferer or his parents. One of the overlooked possibilities in Elizabeth’s case of barrenness was that she was of the Levitical line, and her husband (John the Baptist’s father) was a Kohen (priest) in the order of Zadok. Recall that Peter asked Jesus whose sin caused the blind man to be born blind and Peter was selected to be the rock of Christs congregations and shared this sadly common belief that bad things evidently only happened to bad people (Luke 13:4).

    During Jesus time (and in Jewish history), for a Jewish woman (married to a priest no less) not to be unable to conceive a child despite the many prayers likely offered by her husband and he would have been highly suspect (1 Samuel 1:6)(Genesis 30:1). The shame and quiet accusations that she and her husband might have had to bear all her adult married life must have been painful, to say the least. In her case, just as Jesus corrected Peter, infirmity exists so that God’s glory might be manifested, and it was for Elizabeth when he made her whole by allowing her to conceive a child (Luke 1:25).

    When I think about examples like this, I am reminded of God’s promise to restore all those who love him and keep his laws (Jeremiah 29:11). As you probably know Shalom is an Israelite greeting similar to hello and goodbye, but this is only a very small aspect of its intended meaning. To quote Karina Allen (2017)
    “Shalom is a Hebrew word meaning completeness, wholeness, health, peace, welfare, safety, soundness, tranquility, prosperity, perfectness, fullness, rest, harmony, or the absence of agitation or discord. It comes from the root verb shalom, which means to be complete, perfect, and full.”

    Shalom is not just a greeting, it is requesting a blessing from God that he gives to a person what they are lacking in their lives so that they are made whole so that they have God’s peace. God’s peace is not like man’s peace (John 14:27). God desires the complete restoration of the spiritual, physical, moral, mental, and emotional human. Peace from God is freedom from all conflict within our members and more importantly with him. God’s commitment to the restoration of all things including the return of humanity to a whole and complete state cannot be understated. It was through the death of his beloved son who sacrificed his life to give humanity the opportunity to experience true peace through the reunification of spirit and flesh without the conflict of sin and the threat of death and decay (Hebrews 9:15).
    Until we reach this promised reality where God will heal all of humanity, we are all born and die in a world that does not truly meet all of our needs, we are tormented by our imperfect flesh and we struggle many of us to find some measure of happiness in this fleetingly temporary existence (James 4:14). Even under the best circumstances, a human is denied the opportunity to live and reach their full potential as God intended when the human race was created. As a result, we all suffer spiritually physically and mentally as we navigate our existence, but some of us more than others 2 Corinthians 4:8.

    When Jesus began his ministry, it wasn’t to the spiritually sound only that he took the good things that God had to give during the acceptable year, it was to the profoundly spiritually, morally, and physically unsound. The poor, the sinners, the tax collectors, the infirm, the demon oppressed and the dead (Mark 2:16-17). These were the ones most out of step with their physical and spiritual reality and in the most need of compassion and restoration because they were the furthest from being whole. We should all look to Jesus example and do what is within our power to try to fill the holes in our brothers and sisters so that they are not broken in spirit because of the weight they carry (Galatians 6:2). People of God build up and comfort those in their tribulation and do not needlessly tear down and destroy.

    Do not let the son of the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord speak, saying, “The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”; nor let the eunuch say, “Here I am, a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose what pleases Me, and hold fast My covenant, even to them I will give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants; everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant; even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.” The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, “Yet I will gather to him others besides those who are gathered to him.” Isaiah 56:3-8

  40. jacqueline says:

    Rene this is well presented and needed. I know definitely that a brother was hermaphrodite. The discussion with him indicated he tried the homosexual world but although he was accepted he liked women. The decision was made to choose one sex and practice it by the witnesses. However, he had full function of both organs. He was a dear and I know Jehovah knows these situations exist.
    The world at large isn’t aware of the seed mingling going on with the test tube babies either. That’s another story.

    It is easy to say Jehovah will take care of it if you weren’t made aware as you have so eloquently done and thank you.
    I had another patient that confused me as to how to address him/her. Tomorrow I will tell you about it. I need to check my notes for accuracy. Okay, the male and I had sessions and we discussed his journey, He never had surgery, hormones or any augmentative therapies. You didn’t know if you were looking at a male or female as neither gender was more prominent than the other. Hairline, the softness of skin were more feminine but the voice was more male. His case is an example of gestational absorption of his twin. His twin was a female and he was fully both.

    As you showed some things we see now are generational curse passed down from what great grandparents ingested chemically or a gene. We see it in other diseases but have problems when it comes to recognizing it in sexual presentations.

    I had another close relative where the coroner autopsy revealed abnormalities. I explained that the mother was on medication to avoid abortion of him as a fetus, and it passed the barrier. She was told not to have a female within 2-5 years of taking these meds. But we have followed the history and girls born even 9 years later were sterile and it affected the boys to a great degree.
    I participated in a study at University on other matters along this line and can vouch for the facts as you presented them.

    This is to help persons following on the site to see we understand the problems out there and when quoting scripture we are not being callused but empathize with loving support.

    I tried once to just let some brothers listen to a talk that attempted to address the issues as this brother saw it from the Bible. He was the most loving man you could ever come across.

    That is the last time I used Facebook as a platform and I had to eventually close the subject erase it and unfriend all religious persons. The religious brothers were ruthless!

    You have paved the way to open this Bible-based talk up again and let anyone who receives comfort receive it and anyone that falls under the words he will show where Jehovah is clear on homosexuality feel the pain.

    I think it deserves a listen at least. I am going to look it up and post it at the bottom of the page for those that want to listen to him deal with a difficult subject from a Biblical God breathed view.

  41. RENE says:

    ADDITIONAL

    If you look at the video provided below, the lecturer also mentions that Atrazine also has been implicated in animal and human studies where several other chronic illnesses and diseases where connected to the herbicide. These illness include neuro damage, abortion, immune failure, prostate disease, impaired mammary development which causes developmental problems in the next generation, breast cancer, cancers, menstrual disruption, pregnancy and conception problems. These diseases can affect consecutive generations even though the parent or grandparent was directly contaminated via rain or groundwater for example.

    It should also be noted that the rates of cancer in areas affected by Atrazine are disproportionately higher in minority and low-income communities where manufacturing plants, and higher rates of contamination are present. I had wondered why birth rates where dropping in America, breast and prostate cancers are becoming more and more common, and children are developing illnesses and diseases at an alarmingly early and increased rate. None of the explanations I have researched adequately explain this unprecedented increase or truthfully attempt to discuss underlying causes.

    Health care costs are increasing, and our economy is becoming dependent on the increased numbers of sick and disabled individuals. The toll that this is taking on our society has not really being discussed and the burdens disease places on families and individuals both economically, socially and psychologically. If our low birth rates in America where taken seriously, one might worry that we are losing members of our society faster than we can replace them.

  42. Rene says:

    Jacqueline,

    I think that the subject of homosexuality and gender classification is so multifaceted because it relies on psychosocial dynamics in addition to what I believe to be environmental. One of the problems especially in America, is an inability to reconcile the helpful aspects of modern conveniences, with the potential harm and long/short term dangers. There is a very large equality gap between corporations and product manufacturers and the average American in terms of the difference in power. We have experienced in America a significant change in consumer protection policies including rights to legal recourse against product manufacturers. Some of what we know about the safety of some of the man-made (not naturally occurring) consumer or agricultural products comes from studies that might be lower in scope (i.e. bare minimum for clearance to take to market) and do not give us a clear picture of long term implications.

    We have in our ecosystem multiple chemicals that are known teratogen’s (chemicals that can cross the placental barrier and attack a fetus in eutero) and endocrine disruptors (chemicals that disrupt the endocrine system). One of the pesticides that is been shown to fall into both of these categories is a pesticide called Atrazine. Atrazine is one of the most used pesticides in the world and America uses it to the tune of roughly 80 million pounds per year.

    Why is this important to our discussion about gender and sexual identity? Because this pesticide has been shown in studies to cause significant changes in the gender and sexual orientation of the developing amphibian test subjects. When I say significant, I should say catastrophic! “Previous studies showed that Atrazine demasculinized (chemically castrates) and feminizes exposed amphibian larvae, resulting in hermaphrodites (8, 10) or males with testicular oocytes (7, 9) at metamorphosis” (Hayes et al., 2010).

    Some of the test subjects although genetically male grew female genitalia and began to mate with other male frogs and produced only male offspring. In these male frogs, their hormone profile was so classically female that male frogs began to mount them to a frenzied degree, and the female frogs refused to mate with them because their hormone profile did not readily identify them as male. Other male frogs grew to develop and produce dysfunctional eggs within their testes and others where blatantly hermaphroditic. Other males had so little serum testosterone that they had no interest in mating or reproducing, others developed protruding cloacal labia (female genitalia) which once again represented complete gender reversal. If you are tempted to think that frogs and humans are so different that the results of this study are apples and oranges, consider this.

    Frogs like the African clawed frog share similarities in hormones with humans to the extent that these frogs where used to determine pregnancy in women. Urine from a suspected pregnant woman was injected into the frog. If she contained hormones consistent with pregnancy, then the frog would start to produce eggs. This is why these subjects where used and why the results where so distressing as they could logically be applied to the human population. Since Atrazine is in agricultural runoff, ground water and many other places and breaks down very slowly, scientists could tell by this study the long-term implications of contamination through generational studies (with faster gestation periods than humans) in these frogs.

    I would find it completely intellectually dishonest to have any discussions about the unprecedented number of global movements towards non-traditional sexual orientation, or gender identity, without considering the possibility of environmental factors being at least in some part a highly suspected contributing cause. I believe that if we as a society where to confirm what some scientists strongly theorize (others have spelled out), then we would be looking at one of the worst crimes against humanity of unimaginable magnitude. This would also take the conversations about the suspected war on men and masculinity and the merits of of the “so called” toxic male in a very interesting direction.

    Reform would inevitably follow in our current checks and balance system for allowing and monitoring man made chemicals in our biosphere and most likely an unprecedented public backlash against chemical manufacturers. If I had to guess as to a possible reason as to why such a social taboo as homosexuality was inexplicably given a green light globally amidst centuries of persecution and embraced could have something to do with obscuring the common source of where this phenomenon stems (AKA damage control). It is far better for those affected to think that their condition came from nature rather than a man in a lab coat.

    If any of you have the time, I highly recommend you read the study I have provided and if you are not familiar with endocrine disruptors and the links to neurological deficiencies/disorders, and increased risks for chronic illnesses and diseases in children. Atrazine incidentally is banned by the European Union.

    Atrazine Study

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/

    Atrazine Whistle Blower

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqKfixPmps

    Reference

    Hayes, T. B., Khoury, V., Narayan, A., Nazir, M., Park, A., Brown, T., … Gallipeau, S. (2010). Atrazine induces complete feminization and chemical castration in male African clawed frogs (Xenopus laevis). Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 107(10), 4612–4617. doi:10.1073/pnas.0909519107

  43. Rene says:

    I think that the subject of homosexuality and gender classification is so multifaceted because it relies on psychosocial dynamics in addition to what I believe to be environmental. One of the problems especially in America, is an inability to reconcile the helpful aspects of modern conveniences, with the potential harm and long/short term dangers. There is a very large equality gap between corporations and product manufacturers and the average American in terms of the difference in power. We have experienced in America a significant change in consumer protection policies including rights to legal recourse against product manufacturers. Some of what we know about the safety of some of the man-made (not naturally occurring) consumer or agricultural products comes from studies that might be lower in scope (i.e. bare minimum for clearance to take to market) and do not give us a clear picture of long term implications.

    We have in our ecosystem multiple chemicals that are known teratogen’s (chemicals that can cross the placental barrier and attack a fetus in eutero) and endocrine disruptors (chemicals that disrupt the endocrine system). One of the pesticides that is been shown to fall into both of these categories is a pesticide called Atrazine. Atrazine is one of the most used pesticides in the world and America uses it to the tune of roughly 80 million pounds per year.

    Why is this important to our discussion about gender and sexual identity? Because this pesticide has been shown in studies to cause significant changes in the gender and sexual orientation of the developing amphibian test subjects. When I say significant, I should say catastrophic! “Previous studies showed that Atrazine demasculinized (chemically castrates) and feminizes exposed amphibian larvae, resulting in hermaphrodites (8, 10) or males with testicular oocytes (7, 9) at metamorphosis” (Hayes et al., 2010).

    Some of the test subjects although genetically male grew female genitalia and began to mate with other male frogs and produced only male offspring. In these male frogs, their hormone profile was so classically female that male frogs began to mount them to a frenzied degree, and the female frogs refused to mate with them because their hormone profile did not readily identify them as male. Other male frogs grew to develop and produce dysfunctional eggs within their testes and others where blatantly hermaphroditic. Other males had so little serum testosterone that they had no interest in mating or reproducing, others developed protruding cloacal labia (female genitalia) which once again represented complete gender reversal. If you are tempted to think that frogs and humans are so different that the results of this study are apples and oranges, consider this.

    Frogs like the African clawed frog share similarities in hormones with humans to the extent that these frogs where used to determine pregnancy in women. Urine from a suspected pregnant woman was injected into the frog. If she contained hormones consistent with pregnancy, then the frog would start to produce eggs. This is why these subjects where used and why the results where so distressing as they could logically be applied to the human population. Since Atrazine is in agricultural runoff, ground water and many other places and breaks down very slowly, scientists could tell by this study the long-term implications of contamination through generational studies (with faster gestation periods than humans) in these frogs.

    I would find it completely intellectually dishonest to have any discussions about the unprecedented number of global movements towards non-traditional sexual orientation, or gender identity, without considering the possibility of environmental factors being at least in some part a highly suspected contributing cause. I believe that if we as a society where to confirm what some scientists strongly theorize (others have spelled out), then we would be looking at one of the worst crimes against humanity of unimaginable magnitude. This would also take the conversations about the suspected war on men and masculinity and the merits of of the \”so called\” toxic male in a very interesting direction.

    Reform would inevitably follow in our current checks and balance system for allowing and monitoring man made chemicals in our biosphere and most likely an unprecedented public backlash against chemical manufacturers. If I had to guess as to a possible reason as to why such a social taboo as homosexuality was inexplicably given a green light globally amidst centuries of persecution and embraced could have something to do with obscuring the common source of where this phenomenon stems (AKA damage control). It is far better for those affected to think that their condition came from nature rather than a man in a lab coat.

    If any of you have the time, I highly recommend you read the study I have provided and if you are not familiar with endocrine disruptors and the links to neurological deficiencies/disorders, and increased risks for chronic illnesses and diseases in children. Atrazine incidentally is banned by the European Union.

    Atrazine Study

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/

    Atrazine Whistle Blower

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqKfixPmps

    Reference

    Hayes, T. B., Khoury, V., Narayan, A., Nazir, M., Park, A., Brown, T., … Gallipeau, S. (2010). Atrazine induces complete feminization and chemical castration in male African clawed frogs (Xenopus laevis). Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, 107(10), 4612–4617. doi:10.1073/pnas.0909519107

  44. jacqueline says:

    Rene, thank you so much for this insight! I never knew that so many were practicing homosexuality until it became very open. I know the men of renown or fame in Noah’s day were like our idols. Even our movies reflect the hybrid creatures, pixies, demonic humanoids, etc. If you speak out your company or job is on the line, so much like the days of Noah. This is another scripture that indicates maybe but I am not quite sure yet that Jehovah might have acted before. He has been more than fair and patient. We can’t understand redemption unless you understand Ruth and Boaz (Ruth 3:1-8) Jesus is the next of kin. Both he and Adam are sons of God. Jesus created all the other beings. They are not Adam’s brothers.

    Jeremiah 4:22-27 then back to Israel in verse 28 onward. Tell me what you see here. When did this happen? It is not the flood for His people do know about that. Interesting.
    22 “My people are fools;
    they do not know me.
    They are senseless children;
    they have no understanding.
    They are skilled in doing evil;
    they know not how to do good.”

    23 I looked at the earth,
    and it was formless and empty;
    and at the heavens,
    and their light was gone.
    24 I looked at the mountains,
    and they were quaking;
    all the hills were swaying.
    25 I looked, and there were no people;
    every bird in the sky had flown away.
    26 I looked, and the fruitful land was a desert;
    all its towns lay in ruins
    before the Lord, before his fierce anger.

    27 This is what the Lord says:

    “The whole land will be ruined,
    though I will not destroy it completely.
    28 Therefore the earth will mourn
    and the heavens above grow dark,
    because I have spoken and will not relent,
    I have decided and will not turn back.”

    We stand in awe of such a God and the God Jesus also (John 1:1) who is not a mere archangel like Michael (Who is great and powerful but not our Lord). If same sex is allowed to continue procreation would stop.

  45. rene says:

    Jacqueline,

    The holy spirit is so fascinating the way that it ties the views of one believer to another so that they compliment each other in the sharing of the good news. What is plain in the scriptures is that God has given us a purpose for our existence, and our natural world is governed by laws that maintain and enhance our existence. In the wonderful scriptures, you cited it clearly informed us of what God deems natural and natural about human behaviors and activities. Sin in its most basic form is the thought which leads to actions that run contrary to God’s natural law for humanity.

    God has already defined for humanity what is natural and unnatural. Unnatural isn’t sustainable, does not serve any purpose that God recognizes, and is an infringement on God’s rights as the author of creation. We have what we call intellectual property rights and other rights over what we create, but we do not acknowledge God’s rights over the things he has created and that is the bastion of sin. Job sat at length talking with God and God rightfully asked him where he was when he (God) was setting the Universe in its order and the stars in the heavens.

    Job was relating to God as a peer and was functioning off of the limited and skewed traditions he inherited about God and how he was similar to all other Gods. Namely that when a man makes all of the right sacrifices, God will contractually meet all of man’s needs. Job had received misinformation about God, which caused Job to question God’s ability to keep his own laws, as well as Job, was keeping them which was, of course, a wrong notion on Jobs part.

    God illustrated through his conversation with Job that his laws for maintaining the Universe where unimaginably intricate, impressive and could not be duplicated by humans. The same wisdom that placed the Pleiades stars in their orbits is the same wisdom that placed man and woman in their natural spheres.

    When God’s world satisfies our needs like crops growing, or light in the day and darkness at night we do not question its place in existence, we are very supportive of God’s way of doing things. Can you name any protests against clean air, drinkable water or the best natural fruit you have ever tasted? Or how much we wish God would rethink babies or pesky gravity, or who gets to decide our planets rotational orbit and why it is not a few degrees closer to the sun? But when we want something that God has objected to we are quick to attack God’s natural laws when we desire things God deems forbidden. If this makes sense to you than you understand that when Adam stole from God and then scapegoated his wife, and recriminated God for his own actions, why God treated the matter so seriously. Prior to Adam and Eve, there was nothing in his creation that existed outside of the natural laws that established them.
    We were born with a perverse set of morals and are subject to depraved thinking, even the best of us was not clean enough to stand before God without the ransom sacrifice.

    It is our problem as a species to interpret right or wrong not as absolutes that are in harmony with laws of nature, but of the actions of free moral agents that are not really beholden to anything except our own wisdom. But what is human wisdom? We are on this earth for such a fleeting period of time, we are a race of people who if not for God’s mercy would not even be aware of our moral stench in the presence of God. While he loves us, he does not love some of the things that we do, and this is where many humans abandon God.

    It was perfectly encapsulated in the scriptures that you provided in your comment because it illustrates that God does not involve himself past certain points when it is clear that someone wants to go in a sinful direction that they are choosing. We know from scripture that God disciplines those he views as sons, a condition not afforded to every human as the scriptures are clear. When he withholds discipline the ruin of the individual is the final result. God refusing to interfere with your life and abandoning you to your own direction is a punishment as he no longer views you as someone he wants to put effort into rehabilitating because it is no longer possible.

    We have to be especially careful during the times we are living in as we will be confronted with what seems like credible reasons to reject God’s wisdom in favor of growing emphasis on man’s wisdom. We do not want to frustrate God to a point where he chooses to acknowledge the place we have assigned him as not being an authority for what absolute truth is, and abandons us with our delusional….truth!

  46. Rene says:

    Hi Marjo,

    I was not able to comment this week very much on the site due to an ongoing health problem, but I still read some of the posts and your post really caught my attention. Toward the end of your post you mentioned that there is a reinterpretation of gender and sexuality that had not existed in your country a few decades ago. It probably wouldn’t surprise you that in one of my classes, we had to discuss gender and sexuality and how you can be chromosomal male or female but operate as an opposite gender. We had a good back and forth discussion with my classmates on the subject and what was very interesting about it was the lack of consensus. If we were having this discussion 10 years ago, no one would have argued that there are two biological genders, and anything else is more of a social construct. I say social construct because of examples like the fa\’afafine in Samoan culture. These are men who are raised to behave like women and are treated as women when they take male mates and are an important part of Samoan culture. This is called a third gender in gender studies because it does not neatly fall into one category but is an amalgamation of both. Fa\’afafine also believe they are more capable than women and in many ways’ superior to them and do not regard themselves as homosexual at all and neither does the community.

    I was asked in my assignment questions about sexual orientation and I read a lot of studies some concluding that gender is a social myth while other researchers concluded that it is an absolute inherent condition based on specific gene expression in the womb. I split the difference by telling my professor that I can’t comment on what sexual orientation means if it is dependent on a fixed interpretation of gender and we are arguing (in the scientific community) about the legitimacy of the concept of gender.

    While this social paradox that is happening is alarming for some of us, others are quick to call this an example of social progress. I am finding that all of our “new” ways of thinking may not be as new and novel as we might like to believe.
    Camille Paglia a professor and author said in her book Sexual Personae \”And I found in my study that history is cyclic, and everywhere in the world you find this pattern in ancient times: that as a culture begins to decline, you have an efflorescence of transgender phenomena. That is a symptom of cultural collapse. Camille Paglia on Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson
    What is happening is not only not new but follows a predictable pattern which was most potent in the time Jesus referred to as “The Days of Noah” which would be revisited before his second coming. Understanding this concept is critical for any Christian to navigate the predictable decline of the world foretold prophetically in the time of the end. During the days of Noah there occurred a fundamental deviation of natural law so extensive that God literally was forced to end the world and restart it again.

    I had to let that concept sink in when I first read it! Satan had so thoroughly contaminated the natural existence of humanity that the God of infinite wisdom concluded that the “BEST” course of action was to euthanize what use to be his perfectly created world and its inhabitants.
    Scholars and commentators throughout history have criticized God for what they considered to be an example of God’s jealous and capricious nature as man began to outgrow him through self-determination and self-will. God, however, might have been motivated by the need to intervene on behalf of the many untold victims that this falsely enlightened world had created. The measure of any society from Gods perspective has always rested on how the least of its members are treated (Isaiah 10:2). So what do we know about Noah’s time, and are God’s critics correct?
    During Noah’s time, Satan was hard at work with his experimentation in bio-engineering. Although he didn’t have to use test tubes and gene splicing, the results where that he managed to engineer a different type of creature that was no longer human in any natural or spiritual sense. Satan enlisted the use of Angels who are not a species that is in any way physically compatible with humanity. These where the first to alter themselves outside of the natural boundaries God created for them, they took a form like “BUT” not authentically human and began replicating themselves with an entirely different species (human females). They are the first trans species in recorded history, not a product of nature, nor a reinterpretation of natural law but a persistent attack on the norms and values that God instituted in the founding of the world. What followed was a dark exploration of other unorthodox and unnatural states of existence that resulted in the inevitable harm of creation when it believes it has the power and right to redefine what God has placed into existence. (Deuteronomy 32:39).

    There is a great deal of evidence in spiritual myths that certain Gods took male and female forms and copulated with humans of the same and opposite sex and with animals and some of these myths are expressly pre-diluvian (or pre-flood). One such text is The Enuma Elish (also known as The Seven Tablets of Creation) is the Mesopotamian creation myth.

    In other myths, the God’s where expressly called hybrid (born of man and God), many of them where violent, insolent, did not respect the rights of men and the sanctity of their marriages, had sex with animals, unwilling females, unwilling males, and anyone else that seemed viable.

    The rights of humans where all but nonexistent during the time of Noah, the hybrid people where expressly labeled as bullies and victimizers and their spirit creature fathers did not seem to mind this behavior at all. The angels who existed during creation and who had existed countless Millennia with God no longer seemed to respect any of the things they learned from God. They no longer wanted to see humanity restored to equality with spirit creatures and their rights and privileges restored as perfect human creations in the divine family. They were now under the direction of a malevolent spirit creature and where now actively working against Gods plan to restore humanity.

    In this terrifying new world that Noah existed in, it was not safe to resist the unclean Angels or their violent children that they enabled. You were not free to worship God or hope for the promises that God predicted for humanity. A man could not keep his children, wife, personal property or possibly even himself safe from the supernatural predators that roamed the earth freely and without consequence. Humans began to adopt these behaviors and victimized one another, and there was no one to protect or defend the innocent.

    What should be noted about all of this is that the underlying goal was to keep humanity in a system of perpetual sin/subservience to Satan and those he gave authority to. God and the Messiah where a direct and intolerable threat to Satan and the counterfeit kingdom he founded based on the ruination of humanity 1 Corinthians 2:6. If we look to scripture, some of the tactics that Satan used to subvert the birth of the Messiah was to introduce sexual sin as often as he could to the people of Israel to interrupt God’s plans for the Nation (Numbers 25:1-16). This latter included female and then male temple prostitution (something not even the pagans practiced), fornication with Pagan women, and all manner of adultery which if it had succeeded would have blurred the lineage of the Messiah and possibly invalidated his claim as redeemer if he parentage couldn’t be verified.

    One of the most problematic aspects of redefining gender and sexuality is that it is inherently in opposition to the mechanisms God chose to use to correct the plight of sinful humanity. God in the garden specifically stated that the woman would be used to create another “son of man” equal in likeness to the first son of man, Adam. If we accept the new interpretations of gender as naturally occurring as is the emerging claim, I find it difficult to imagine that the Messiah could have been produced in an environment that exclusively relies on male/female human reproduction if God intentionally created additional genders.

    Jesus was to serve as a kinsman redeemer for all of Adam’s cursed progeny and the world itself. If you understand anything about Jewish law you know that a kinsman redeemer had to be a blood relative of the deceased man, and that a redeemer could legally buy back all of the dead man’s possessions including land, property, his wife and produce children in the dead relative’s stead (Deuteronomy 25:5-10). This principal is central to understanding why Jesus had to be authentically human for this legal transaction for humanity to be recognized as legal, and why God resorted such drastic measures in protecting the only means of saving humanity Psalm 68:5-6. Anything less than legal would give room for Satan to object (Zechariah 3:1). Satan for the record aside from instigating slander has not been able to credibly refute Jesus claims over the world, humanity, and everything else that God has allowed him to legally take possession of (Revelation 5:2).

    Another thing to remember about Satan and his methods of operation is that he can only copy what is in creation, he cannot himself create Daniel 7:25. We see the results of Satan’s system when we see things in our environment that operate on principals of nature but produce unnatural results (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). God’s system has natural limitations, operates consistently, is sustainable, and is predictable in its functions. So, when I weigh the merits of trans gender-ism, trans-species, homosexuality, it should be weighed against other natural truths if it is being presented to us as such. As most homosexuals and trans-gendered people will agree, that they are not capable of replicating themselves naturally.
    It wouldn’t be reasonable for anyone to tell us that something is natural, should be accepted as natural, and placed on equal legitimacy as all other things that are natural without being able to show where it has the same fundamental attributes of the naturally occurring.

  47. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, that is a small town. Some times there is an air about an area. In the Bible, we see that it addresses whole cities being a certain way.

    Also, this was an interesting scripture that a minister said he just realized, that this is a punishment of God giving up. Read it and see what you think.

    Romans 1:22-30 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
    24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

    28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

  48. Marjo says:

    Quick warning for people that live in the California. You should prepare yourself and leave to safe area where is no quakes. You know what will happen in a place like that when there is millions of people trying to leave from the town when disaster strikes. It is easier to leave now when roads are not blocked by thousands of cars trying to leave from the area. Be wise and leave now. Coast is not safe either, because there could be tsunami coming too if quakes hit bigger.

    I live in a small town where lives 9000 people in it. Here is 2 religions that has taken over this town. Many evenings I’ve seen young people in the town with their cars messing around the places. I think atmosphere has changed, I could be wrong tho, but the feeling to move out of this town is stronger than a year ago. It is difficult to have a job in this small town, when there is more available in a bigger town. I have been praying answers from God too for this situation what is the best thing to do. He will answer in His own time. My mother will retire in a next year, so she is free to leave from this town too.

    Gay parade is over, it was only celebrated in Helsinki not in my home town. It is interesting how time has changed. In my country it was illegal to be a gay in 1970’s now they don’t have to be in a hide anymore. It is scary to think how teaching in the school will change because of this. There is no more just man and female there will be more female and female, man and man.

  49. jacqueline says:

    Hi Marjo, hmm, that is strange. Is your town a very small town where everybody knows each other? Also if there have been incidences of severe crime where people had to take sides or a political issue, it could be reflected in your community.
    Here it is the assumption that certain races favor our current president and another race hates them, so when in a predominant one racial community you might feel that in the United States.
    So could that be it maybe?

    Also, has it calmed down now after the gay parade is over? We don’t have it in your face now since that day is over.

  50. Marjo says:

    Have you ever had the feeling in a town where you live that you don’t belong there or you are not wanted there? Me and my husband have this feeling. Its like where ever you go people of this town are looking angry when they are watching you.

    Then Im like… What did I do wrong? I am just doing my shopping. When we are in this town it feels like here is strange pressure all over. When you go out of the city problem is gone. No more pressure feeling at all. When you return same feeling comes back again.

    Im not sure but I have the feeling that everything is not right in this town. Someone could be playing spiritism or even black magic. Ive seen satanic logos young people have painted around the town. Here is something powerfull that doesnt want us here.

  51. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, we were discussing this on testimony meeting one night. I divided it into born prior to 1965 and born in after that. The governing body formed and by 1995 it had become a tyrant rent of authoritative men.
    I was in during the 1940 so my childhood within was governed strictly by my parents. You began courting at 16 like everybody in America at that time. No man would dare tell another male how to run his household.
    There is a plan by the devil to effeminize men and to break up the family by saying a governing body supersedes him.
    Anyone growing up under that or coming in young under that rule from the 1970s onward finds it hard to leave. If I wasn’t on the website I could go months probably without thinking about them. I focus to help others that are struggling. Out little core group has 1500 other people reading and clicking on links from 256 cities all over the world. I should put it at the bottom of the page also.

  52. Marjo says:

    In this video this man explains very well why Jehovah Witness who was born in can’t just leave. When they find out that the religion they have been in is not the truth.

    https://youtu.be/xf9q0po25KY

  53. Marjo says:

    I have to buy new headphones with microphone or just normal table microphone so I could coe to the meeting. My little one got the other ones and broke the microphone from it lol. I also have inner microphone on my laptop but don’t know how to use it. I have to figure that out.

    Now we were able to get radiophone, which is handy if hackers shut the power off or emp happens or sunstorm. You never know what happens in this world. I suggest others to have one too.

  54. Marjo says:

    Thank you Christopher about that Bible verse. I can be sure that we have now entered to that time what Paul was writing for Timothy. People are actually fulfilling this prophecy in our time. I think Paul knew more about this time what he is writing about.

  55. jacqueline says:

    I agree with you Christopher. I also think about the companies who support the gay parade, Aside from the fact their CEO’ etc are in illicit relationships, they will suffer financial with lawsuits.
    This gay parade thing is in God’s face but to me is hiding or diverting attention away from what is happening in heavenly places.
    People today do not repent anymore. I saw a video that said you can’t tell us what to do! Only the Bible tells them what to do.
    Noah day no one repented although they knew from Methuselah birth that when he died the flood would come.
    We know Christ will come again and have signs like Methuselah getting old but no one repents anymore.
    People have been living openly without the benefit of marriage yet no parade or insistence on special recognition.
    Pedophilia and gay sex are deviant acts and this makes me think of the deviance in Noah’s day and in Sodom, unnatural co-mingling. In other words, I think the demonic activity is involved. Both preceded the wrath of God in a big way. Sodom is owed an apology if God doesn’t address this.

  56. Christopher Johns says:

    When I think of Gay affirming churches I think of the filling scriptures.

    2 Tim 4:3
    “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

  57. Marjo says:

    Yes there is difficult times on horizon, but as Jesus said His road is not easy way to walk. When that is over we can joy all of the blessings what Jehovah is offering for us. Eternal life, healthy body, no more suffering, no more fear, no more hunger, no more death and no more tears. No more greedy politicans.

  58. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, Christians are the most persecuted people on the earth today. Many are being killed.
    But gay rights people are clouding this out, saying they are persecuted everywhere, when really the average person has never wondered about them and their sexual activity.
    I see this as an act is satan to obscure the diabolical things that are happening to Christians everywhere.
    This is something that is being fought in the heavenly places. I could believe now that Michael has fought and won the war in heaven and inhabitants like when Jesus was on the earth is happening.
    The bible speaks against the effiemanent ones that allow themselves to be used for the sexual perversions of this demonic acts.
    Even some Holy ones are being deceived. Gay pride day is coming up so maybe after that your country and the world might calm down.
    In Sodom it says the whole city came out to watch the raping of the angels, So it is just as the days of Sodom.
    Take Care it will blow over.
    1 Thessalonians 4:1-5

  59. Marjo says:

    Hello Jacqueline

    This gay talk in my country is getting really tense. Long before Christians said that it is not ok to be gay, now things has turned upside down.

    Same sex people are now saying everywhere in the media that we who do not accept their behavior we are sick, mental violence having people.

    Today my mother heard on the radio when they ask a question from a priest that is there a Bible verse that denies homosexuality? This priest said… NO. It is only a matter of a time when Lutheran church abandon Bible or remove those verses away.

  60. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, I employed lots of individuals. My very best worker was someone I placed my trust in. This Person was a regular pioneer but a practicing Gay person as I found out by being convinced by complaints from the property owners who said it was practiced openly when I toured. I simply asked that no friends, other witnesses, and pioneers, not come to the job unless they were paying customers. Kept on employing them and trusting them with my office.
    I also employed other gay people, adulterers, fornicators, thieves, and liars. One person went to jail for theft. My workers all were good workers and I never cared who or how they slept with. In fact, because we had to put up tents I really needed all my males and females. To me, this was my crazy bunch of workers at huge events of 5,000 to 10,000 all over the United States. Sometimes I hired as many as 240 people per city on tour. Quite a few were obviously gay but worked as hard as my little openly fornicators. They were not all of that persuasion but we never worried about what or who they slept with.
    It was a lifestyle choice for them. In fact, some were married to the opposite sex, but the lesbians, no one could really tell but I knew who they were married too.
    One of the girls I could see how and why she disliked men. I had known her from infancy.
    I guess it is difficult for single people within the witnesses who die without love because the sisters couldn’t find a marriage mate within the religion.
    Because of not just marrying another Christian, a believer in Christ, to be obedient to the Bible, they listen to the dogma of the witnesses and I can name hundreds that never felt the love of a man because of the interpretation that they were only in the Lord. The Bible Students think that way also one told me.
    Now the younger generation of females within the witnesses are resorting to lesbianism. It is becoming common and lots of people know about it. One witness, a female pioneer told me ” don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.”
    My worker contracted a witness girls night out pamper party. ( my worker got sick and I honored the contract) I got there and before long realized I was in a lesbian party of all witness females. Some married.
    The other therapists were known to me as I was their hairstylist from little girls. 4 of them were raped by their father, a brother, a protected by the elders’ pedophile. ( long story). They accepted me staying because they said I knew the pedophile situation in the congregation and wasn’t afraid to speak out and up for them. I tried to start a conversation but they pulled out their watchtowers and studied with one female laying on the other to front me off. I was 40 years their senior or more.
    When the newspaper came out that next Monday after the party, I had to call the police. These girls were robbed and humiliated by men who knew what type of party it was and had slipped in and hidden in the closet. I warned them to lock the doors but was told the doorbell was disturbing. I was afraid of the men outside as I decided to leave while it was light outside. The girls helped me pack my table in the truck. These men visited my business that Monday because my info is on my vehicles but discovered I was older and not gay. The police fingerprinted surfaces I showed them that was touched.
    As a psychotherapist, I know a lot about the reasons and inner soul of witnesses that are gay.
    The police and I sat down to discuss what was going on among the witnesses and I told them about abuse and not finding a mate etc. Yet these girls felt choosing a lifestyle was okay as long as they studied their watchtower.

    I am telling these experiences to let you know you are not alone. I know it is said a fornicator can marry but a gay person can’t in God’s eyes but it isn’t easy for females within the witnesses to have a companion and many die at an older age without such benefit. I have spoken with paralyzed from the neck down persons that moan and groan with all creation, alone without a companion. Mental illness has doomed many to live all alone without the benefit of spouse.
    Christopher, you didn’t know why I drove to Florida to go to the convention with you because in my profession I seem to attract people that have struggles and I just love them. I was so proud of you and felt God was going to train you and use you.

    I love you Christopher and understand and feel so sorry for a young one that has this trial to go through. But Jesus has promised you the world!

    FAITH!! means you trust God to know what is best for us. Thanks for your comments.

    If you want a page to express yourself just let me know and you have it. Read Lee Anthony’s page.

    You have made a tremendous difference in commenting on this subject that only you can really talk about in experience, I can only cite experiences that were public knowledge. You, my Young brother, are living it and I can’t begin to understand but our Father in Heaven can. Jesus has promised by His Blood that it will all be righted.
    We are not sinners but Saints that sin all of us.
    But we fall down and we get back up again.

    Rom. 8:20 “For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope” ESV
    Rom 8:20 “Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, (NLT)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5s2feN6Yk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN26jw53c0M&list=RDlN26jw53c0M&start_radio=1

  61. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I saw the picture on Facebook with Jesus in Rainbow robe. Thanks for sending it by email
    The fact is fornication is fornication, whether it is a male with a female or fornicating with the same sex or an animal. Pedophilia is also a crime and pedophiles need to receive the death penalty. Gays having sex is not such a big deal or special knowledge that is being imparted. We all know what goes on even with the effeminate ones. I just ignore like I ignore people I know are cheating on their mates and sleeping with everyone. I don’t discriminate, sin is sin.
    They are all sins against God’s laws. Lying, stealing, gossiping and slander plus much more disobedience to Gods laws.
    Why gay people have to parade their sexual preferences has baffled me. We all know it exists. One athlete said he had 3,000 women in his lifetime, we all know women sleep around, so just why the need to display themselves as immoral, perplexes me.
    It is a sexual choice.
    Christopher has made some valid points on God’s right to dictate law even if it causes great pain.
    If you violate a child before the age of three you can flip the switch in their brain, because sexuality is not fully established. There are children born with diseases also of every nature and have to live with it.
    All Creation suffers together. Sex is not the only demon plaguing us. If a gay or heterosexual person gets ill and incapacitated they both have to exercise restraint.
    Many Christians are persecuted and jailed for years away from any sexual partner and they endure and often die.
    Sex is not the topic that humanity should be focusing on. But Genesis 6: and Sodom Gomorrah shows us it is demonic to focus on sex all the time by the world at large. This is Satan’s world now
    I just turned away from the TV show the “bachelorette”. That is a nasty sexually perverted show as is the “bachelor”.
    Soaps and other shows are also sexually perverted because they sleep around like animals.
    So practicing Gay persons are no different than the rest of society alienated from obedience to GOD’S Laws.
    He makes the rules.

  62. Marjo says:

    Yes forcing doesnt help anyone. It must leave from their own hearts and own will.

  63. Christopher Johns says:

    Marjo,
    My belief is if they don’t want to leave that sin then I’m not going to force the issue. They’ll have the millennium to learn it. But I do see where I was coming from when coming out of that lifestyle. I was thinking that being alone for the rest of my life. Now they don’t have to choose because we have these Christendom churches are affirming them and redefining these 6 passages to make them seem like they aren’t talking about “loving committed relationships.” Hollywood is portraying them as being from completely normal families and great dads but it’s usually not that way. We usually come from diary thinks families.

  64. Marjo says:

    There has been so much misinformation about this that I will look out for more information. It is easier to help them when you know where they come from. I have heard many times from a priest on tv whom talk with gay or trans people that God create you like that. That is such a big lie from a priest, but it is not a surprise because they left God’s commandments long long time ago.

    It is easy to fight against wrong behavior when you “see” Christ front of you and say “I can do this, I can fight.” I think we were meant to have this conversation if there is someone out there battling with these things so they can read our comments.

  65. Chris Johns says:

    Marjo,
    Yes. If you watch the video she explains it. If you ever want more info on this YouTube Dr.Joseph Nicolosi. He was the head of this. Basically gay men are looking to fill that missing piece of them. This is why there’s so much promiscuity in the gay community. Also, the lesbian divorce rate and domestic violence is through the roof. God wouldn’t make us gay and then ask us to not do it. Plus just from a biological standpoint two men aren’t designed to go together. Their bodies and reproductive system is designed to fertilize a female. Not another male. Jehovah has made it easy for me to stay celibate for now 10 years. The world says accept myself and follow my heart and Jesus said deny yourself and follow me. That’s what I intend on doing. If I suffer with him then I’ll reign with him.

  66. Marjo says:

    It is important to speak about this subject, because I had no idea how people become gay. I always thought that they were born to be one but that was false.

  67. Jacqueline says:

    Christopher, may i call you on Sunday evening when I get home. But first let us enter into prayer. I think it is time time to discuss difficult subjects, only if God and Jesus wills it.

  68. jacqueline says:

    Thanks Christopher for the actual link.
    I just attended a dance recital. The studio is owned by witness and some of the students are also. They did a Disney theme with tinkerbell and all. It was phenomenal. Only one guy however and he was a witness. It was such a hot to see they will compete in Orlando in July and another place later, it is a huge production. They are not your typical witnesses. I saw people from all walks of life. Some had on their American rifle society hard and proud trump supporter shirts. ( rural area). The young man accepts that Jehovah is the one that dictates what is right or wrong, not man’s laws or standards. But he loves to dance and he did it. It was a boy to see him.
    Now I really feel I need to set aside time to research and listen to what you sent. As Marjo mentioned it is pervasive in Finland and every major country except Islam major countries. When I tried to address the issue of a person being non practicing Gay person on Facebook once it got so ugly from the BS population that I had to shut it down and erase the entire conversation, although I used a BS talk. I swore never to attend the Orlando convention again after a conversation with some of the brothers putting it on. So this subject was squashed at every turn. So if we get commenters on here after I post an article when I review everything , perhaps you can take an active part in the conversation. I will be home by Monday. Thanks for the actual link.

  69. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    Here it is. I love this lady.

    https://youtu.be/C54CIxm-w44

  70. Jacqueline says:

    Hi everybody, I am at a dance recital today for my granddaughter. i will be on tonight. Marjo I understand what you are saying. I haven’t seen the youtube yet that Christopher posted. Since his post there are more clicks on this conversation, so I need to get on this, but I think they are coming for Christopher'”s link.

  71. Marjo says:

    I can not blame my mother, because she was very young when she had twins. She was 14 and she got married too. So her life was at the beginning and she didn’t have no experience at all how to deal with life problems. I wonder what she would have been if she was in her 20’s before she got married. It must have been hard time for her because it was in 1973. Anyway she has been the best mother in her own way. When me and my brother were little in 1980’s she cared only that there was food in the table. She is just like her father was.

    My grandfather was amazing. When we were visiting at his place there was always all kind of food on the table. That’s what I want also to be like. A person who looks after that there is always something to eat.

  72. Marjo says:

    I have noticed that they are only talking about homosexuality in this world, but not that what causes it. Child is very vulnerable in early steps of their life, when there is no parent to guide your feelings. From my own childhood I can say that my father was a drunk (still is) and I always had to see and hear their fight. He never hit my mother. When I grew older I literally had to grow myself. I didnt know how to behave with boys. How to pay bills. I was too shy to go out alone, because no one didnt teach me social skills. So parents have huge role in that point of childs life. Now I am a parent myself, I am growing my children the way I never was. With love and care and teach dangers of this world.

    In that video this woman explained everything very well. It is all about childrens emotions. If there is no one to guide you or explaining to you what they have heard or seen it is really scary in childs mind.

  73. jacqueline says:

    Christopher thanks for sharing. When I get back home I will listen to her explanation. Take Care.

  74. Chris Johns says:

    Marjo,
    Hey. My Kingdom Hall was amazing. They let me read the reprints and volumes. They knew I was gay and never said anything about it. They showed me love either way. I left when I read the Divine Plan of the Ages. Loved it and followed that. There’s an interesting video on what causes homosexuality. I encourage all to watch it. YouTube “Homosexuality 101” it’s by Dr. Julie Hamilton. It’s matches my story 100%. We aren’t born like that not do we choose it. I highly recommend it.

  75. Marjo says:

    Hello Christopher!

    When I was a Jehovah Witness they were against gay people, I am trying to heal myself from that thinking way. A year ago, when I began to follow Jesus I have learned that I don’t have to be so cruel as they were teaching. Gay people can also pray help from God, because God will listen everyone whom are praying. God and Jesus can see inside of us what we really are. So we can not really judge anyone like Jehovah Witnesses are doing.

    We can not really see, who gives their life for Jesus, so we have to be careful about what we say for people. Also we don’t know whom God has chosen. He might have chosen a gay, drunk, atheist, killer…the list is endless. It is only a matter of time when they wake up and give their life for Jesus.
    All we need to do is to pray for them.

  76. jacqueline says:

    Christopher, it takes a lot of humility to openly say this, thank you and may God reward you for standing up for his principles, my brother. You have had a journey and part of my decision was based on defending you. I love and respect you, Christopher!
    Christopher, I have been wondering what is meant about even the holy ones would be deceived if possible and get to believing the Lie. Sodom society condoned homosexual activity because it said the whole town was there. Some perhaps to witness the event of the raping of the angels. Could this lie be this acceptance and flaunting it in defiance of His decree about marriage. You can lose your job if you say anything and won’t be able to buy or sell if deemed homophobic.
    Revelation 12 talks about the devil pulling a third of the heavenly host down with him and woe for the earth. This takes place after the warrior angel Michael wins the battle and they are banished. It is untrue that this happened in 1914 or that it is an ecclesiastical war as the Bible students believe because certain things happen after it and it is an end time scripture not in the time period both of the religions suggest.
    The court system is changing laws. Something nefarious is amidst. These are just my thoughts. What do you think is going on. This does not appear to be a passing fancy.

    I might not see your answer for 24 hrs but others will and this isn’t just to you. I am without internet until I reach my destination. Thanks for opening this conversation up along with Marjo. Take Care.
    In the days of Noah, the punishment was severe for those angels that sinned and their excursion might or could be different this time as they saw Jehovah will not let their offspring live. So it is sex but with no offspring this time perhaps.

  77. Christopher Johns says:

    Marjo
    Yes. Ever since the Marriage ruling in 2015 so many churches have been draped in gay pride flags and are quote a “welcoming churches”. They have taken the 6 passages that speak of homosexuality and have reinterpreted them to be pro gay. I myself am homosexual and have given that up 10 years ago to follow Jesus. Even basic biology shows two men aren’t designed to go together. I have a coworker who goes to the Episcopalian church and if Jesus didn’t talk about it then he doesn’t want to hear it. It’s sad.

  78. Marjo says:

    It is interesting how many company is supporting gay pride parade at this year. Today on the news they said that church is taking part of this parade. We can see more and more signs that the end is near.

  79. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Hi Renee and Margo
    I was reading your comments and it is so true when you mention the lack of compassion for those who are in need by the Organization. In my 50 years experience as a Witness the only ones I have seen get any real help have been the popular members of the congregation. Collections and help given to the Circuit overseer or a prominent elder or pioneer. When it comes to others who are not as active or those outside of the congregation, little or no help is given. There seems to be a callousness. They view their help to the poor is through Bible studies and field service. They discourage giving to many organizations that help the poor because they are associated with churches yet don\\\’t provide other acceptable options.
    Jesus taught us to show compassion to the poor. He did more than preach! He healed the sick, and fed those who came to hear him. It\\\’s true his main focus was on preaching. He knew he only had a short time to get his work done and fulfill his reason for being on earth. Jesus did make the statement in Mathew 26 that \\\”you will always have the poor with you.\\\” It was shortly before he was going to be put to death. The expensive oil that was poured on him was to prepare him for burial.
    Since I have been mentally out for two years I have seen more Christian compassion for others being done by the churches in one day than in the entire 50 years of being a Witness. I attend a mens Bible study group on Friday mornings made up of about 30 men. Each year they select a ministry or charity to support in the community. There is a grassroots organization in the area that focuses on help young people come to Christ. They provide not only spiritual help by physical help as well, providing them a place to engage in various activities, food, clothing and counseling. The organization is held in an older building in need of major repairs or it would be condemned. In one night we collected totally voluntary contributions of over $20,000, just enough to do the repairs needed. Just 30 of us! No one can tell me that the Lord wasn\\\’t behind this!
    Last year we collected over $10,000 for a ministry based in Ohio and Indiana. They go into the worst parts of cities and through their evangelical, grass roots efforts establish home churches. To date they have established over a hundred home churches in 3 States. Churches made up of converted drug dealers, prostitutes, and drug addicts. People who are forced to live in the projects and slums. These people have changed their way of life to serve our Lord. The ministry is paid for by voluntary donations. They pay all their own expenses to travel to these cities providing support for those home churches. This is Christianity! Ministries like these have done more to spread the Gospel than anything I have seen as a Jehovah\\\’s Witness.
    It reminds me of the parable of the Good Samaritan! Who really is your neighbor? Those who provide perfunctory verbal support like those religious leaders, or those who provide real help, not just spiritually but physically.
    Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
    When we help others in need spiritually and physically we provide a great witness. We help others know the love of Christ.

  80. Marjo says:

    I had a nice experience today while I was in a hospital at nurse appointment. This nurse began to talk about spiritual things. I think Jesus led her to speak with me because she spoke the same things what I believe. Long time I have been looking for people, whom have the same faith in my country and now I found them. She was very warm and lovely person and full of Spirit. I felt that Jesus was with us in that moment. When you pray you will find what you are looking for, even it might take a while. She told me that there is a priest who was able to get in to Russian prison where no one else has ever been.

    I don’t blame elders, because governingbody has told them to behave in wrong way and they think it is right thing to do, because they can not think of their own thoughts.
    Actually we should pray forgiveness for these people, because they don’t know what they are doing.

  81. Rene says:

    Marjo,

    I also wanted to point out that I also noticed that many of the friends in the congregation I attended where all deprived themselves (in various ways). This affects when and how they practice compassion for one another. If they feel life is not giving to them what they need, they are less open to giving to the needs of others. On top of that, we are taught in the organization (directly and indirectly) that our value as individuals is intrinsically tied to our participation in the Kingdom Hall. Sadly, we are encouraged to think less of ourselves and our Brothers and Sisters when they for whatever reasons are not able to have regular association in the Kingdom Hall. Not like a religion but more Like being a member of a club, you have to pay your dues, otherwise you have your privileges suspended. One of those privileges is the compassion from the friends, and they may even feel spiritually justified for ignoring an inactive brother or sister in need because they are not regularly attending meetings. There was such a sad distorted over emphasis on meeting attendance in my congregation that when my brother stopped going because of the unconscionable way they where treating my father, the elder who was talking to my brother one day listened to my brothers explanation for his inactivity and told him he needed to repent of his sins.

    My brother was crushed because he was not living a life of sin and was made to feel like a bad Christian because he found the abuse from the congregation towards my father too much to bear. I took from that conversation that Jehovah’s Witnesses overstate the importance of their Kingdom Halls and view it as a sin when you stop attending. As with sin you are without excuse and are not deserving of sympathy and as such, some may feel (spiritually) justified in cutting you off. I know this was a long reply, but I just wanted to share my thoughts about why the congregation may have failed to come to your aid. Jehovah says that he can’t forget his children, but our congregations tragically can. One last thought though and it is something that Elders should take seriously but don’t.

    In ancient Israel, when you where a hired shepherd and you lost a sheep to a predator, you where required to demonstrate evidence that the loss was not the result of negligence on your part. In some cases, I think you needed to present the carcass (to the owner) as evidence that circumstances beyond your control caused that loss because the owner felt the loss financially. I would not want to be in these Elders shoes when they have to render an accounting to Jesus for his lost property. A great deal of the lost sheep, the sheep that are not helped physically, spiritually or emotionally are taken by the roaring lion Satan because they had no help from the shepherds.

    The Elders who do not rescue, can’t be bothered, and use excuses not to get involved in helping the flock will be without excuse and highly accountable to the King Jesus Christ directly (Jer. 23:1-8). Jesus is not likely to flatter them for the neglect that resulted in preventable loss of spiritual life (Matthew 7:21). Thankfully Jehovah hears prayers and he rescues and loves and saves even if our congregation doesn’t see the need to Isaiah 49:15 Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you!

  82. Rene says:

    God inspired Jeremiah to condemn the wicked shepherds because they didn’t feed the healthy sheep, so we know the sick sheep had no chance of getting help from the shepherd they depended on. This is an important concept because Jehovah’s Witnesses central doctrine is that we have a governing body whose most important role is to see to the needs of the flock by “feeding” them Matthew 24:45. How the governing body interprets this role affects the social climate in the congregation as we by nature imitate the behavior of our role models. What we see we imitate; what we don’t see we don’t learn to imitate.

    Now ask yourself this, when was the last time while you where regularly attending the meetings that your congregation held a food drive? Did your congregation collect funds for victims of abuse? Did your congregation collect clothing for the poor? Did your congregation hold a drive for a good cause that wasn’t related to the preaching work? My congregation(s) never did any of those things, and I was always confused why other churches (allegedly slated for divine destruction) did those things regularly and we who were God’s visible Organization on Earth did not. I never understood why Jesus said, “you will always have the poor with you” (John 12:8) and kept a fund which was dedicated to donating to the poor yet attention to the needs of the poor was not part of our ministry only preaching (John 12:6). So, my next question to you Marjo is how can we practice in the congregation with each other what we never learned to do ourselves? I learned in my psychology classes that kindness like aggression is a learned behavior. As sinful humans we have retained the ability to learn how to be kind, but we are no longer innately kind beings.

    For many of us Marjo, everyday philanthropy on a practical level (i.e giving to others in need) was not taught in any Kingdom Hall I had attended. We would give spiritual food in abundance, but not physical food, money, shelter or clothing to those in need. If we did do so it was a personal decision at our own expense. My father was an avid giver, he worked with disabled children and was a compassionate and exceptional mental health counselor who helped many families and individuals in crisis. He also gave whatever he had monetarily to those who needed it even when he couldn’t afford to do it. I learned compassion from this man because it was an indistinguishable part of his faith and so it became mine.

  83. Marjo says:

    Hello Rene!

    I am sure that there are many similar experiences among ex-witnesses. There is no support from congregation when you face difficulties. I remember a case, when a married couple had difficulties in their marriage. His wife was after another man while they were married. This brother got lots of support from the congregation, I wonder how that makes a difference. My guess is that they have no abilities to deal with these difficulties.

    When I became a witness, they told me that it is enough to follow Christ and so on. Obviously it was not so. They seem to have another list how to pick up your friends in the congregation. I just saw that list in ex-witness site, and I wasn’t surprised at all why I was left alone. Main reason is that I wasn’t very active witness, so I wasn’t good company. My question is that would Jesus Christ behave so? No! He would open His arms to person who is down and help them to get up again, Jesus would not abandon His follower when there is problems around. Governingbody is far from Jehovah’s chosen church.

    I think Jehovah’s chosen church is people around the world whom believe in Christ and follow His ways.

  84. Rene says:

    Hi Marjo,

    I wanted to take a moment to thank you so much for your writing contributions. I was able to read a little about your life and found your resiliency and bravery very encouraging as many other readers also likely concluded. There is nothing more frightening than to encounter a crisis unlike anything you have faced and to face it with a limited or absent support system. I also came to a similar heartbreaking conclusion when my father developed cancer and we were not even spared any sympathy from the friends in the congregation. In the end, when my father passed away from painful bone cancer, my brother and I could only hold a memorial for him at the hotel we were staying at when we came to collect his remains. I received no cards and no phone calls from anyone in the congregation and it had much to do with the fact that he was a partaking anointed and was persecuted for decades because of it John 10:32-36. This position that so many of the friends took was found lacking with some of the “Worldly” people in hospice and in the hospital that came to know a little about our situation. A few individuals mentioned that this behavior turned them off to Witnesses and the Organization. Sadly, another individual said that this is why they felt religions where inherently hypocritical, in that they say they love God and treat people worse than the “heathen” they say God is going to destroy 1 John 4:20-21 . If more people in the community knew how lacking in love many of the congregations actually are, the organization would be seen in an entirely different light I believe 1 Peter 2:12. Jesus said that there was no greater love than someone who gives their life for their friend (John 15:14) and this like all of Jesus other important messages should be given the highest priority in our Kingdom work. I hear so many stories similar to yours and mine and the Organization has become like the scriptures termed water less rain clouds Jude 1:12. This was a striking metaphor for people who relied on farming. Life and death where tied to successful farming and crops relied on rain. During rain seasons (which where specific and limited in the Middle East) farmers waited with desperate anticipation for signs of rain to grow their crops and sustain their lives (Jeremiah 5:24). When a full grouping of clouds passed over the farmers land, how much joy and relief he feels when he sees it Psalm 85:12. How his hopes are dashed to pieces when these clouds that have all of the appearances of harboring life sustaining water in its boughs betray all of the farmers desperate wishes when they pass by giving nothing to the parched Earth Proverbs 13:12. That is disappointment personified. Our grand example Jesus Christ understands this type of disappointment as his people did not fill him up or give him what he was entitled and needed as a human even though he gave so much to his people. We don’t think of Jesus as having needs that could only be meet by his people and community, but he was human, and he did have needs and his community denied him taking even his life and giving him nothing in return Luke 9:58, John 19:37. This is why our online ministry is so important (Phillipians 2:4) , because we know what it is like to need help and not receive it John 13:34. We understand need and hurt so well because we have experienced it, yet it has not made us shut others out and worry about ourselves only. Thank you Marjo for showing us that there is insight and a deeper bond with God that can be won after affliction, and not just bitterness. Thank you also for resolving to give help especially when you where not helped Romans 15:1-2, Proverbs 17:17.

  85. Marjo says:

    That does make sense. God doesnt lead us to temptation, it is our flesh that is not perfect.

    This Finnish version what I have say in English: Do not allow us to fall into temptation.

    It is very important verse, when we face temptations we should pray this to get over of this temptation whatever it is.

  86. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Reading the article it looks like a translation issue that the Pope is trying to correct. The change according to the Pope, actually clarifies the Scripture since it is not God who leads us into temptation.
    “Instead of saying “lead us not into temptation”, it will say “do not let us fall into temptation”.
    This is a change from most English translations but according to the article this change would only be in the Italian versions.
    Topic for conversation: Does God “lead us into temptation” and how does this harmonize with James 1:13 New International Version (NIV)
    13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

  87. jacqueline says:

    Marjo how beautiful. Family life with cousins is special, I remember my times with aunts and cousins. That is one thing my mother and father did keep us with our families. Noone was a witness out of 17 siblings of my mother but my grandmother, and one Uncle plus my father were witnesses on his side. We visited our aunts and cousins all the time. We also played every day with any and all children in the neighborhood. My parents regarded the watchtower society as a printing plant only. Daddy was disfellowshipped because he stood against them on the blood issue and he never made my six brothers go to the kingdom hall only I went with my mother and him. The society as we called them then was not allowed to tell many of the Black congregations what to do under segregation. We regarded it as an intrusion on the rights of the men that were free from slavery.

    So glad you are keeping your children with there natural family.
    A convention of the Bible Students is always on the first holiday opening our summer and my grandchildren love to come down. I said on the first day of the convention in testimony meeting that I was only going to be at the convention for one day so I can spend time with my son and his family at my home. Some sisters came up to me afterward and said you have a spiritual family and you need to tell them you will be at the convention with your family.
    I corrected them sternly and said no one will ever separate me from my family! These children are violating the Witnesses to be with their parents and it is a blessing from God! I said I will not be here tomorrow!
    We have to realize if anyone tells you to not be with your family over them, I run now. Breaking up families leaves you open to their control.
    So enjoy your cabin. I live 1 1/2 blocks from the beach and we walk down or use a golf cart. They will be here next week and I thank God for his kindness and Faithfulness in this regards. Love you!

  88. Marjo says:

    Hello! We are now on vacation with my family. My cousin owns a cabin near at the lake so we are here with our caravan. This caravan is like a sauna. It is great to have little wind that will xool the air little bit. My children can play with their little cousins. Its nice. Have a good weekend and take care ☺️

  89. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    Sure. I’ll send it soon with some thoughts.

  90. jacqueline says:

    Marjo hello, I just got around to answering your comment. I need to look at this scripture more closely and tell what I glean and may e some others will do so too. One thing I can say off the top of my head is that you are right, JEHOVAH has decided how the climate of this earth will be cleaned. It really isn’t up to them. But I will get back.
    Isn’t it nice to not have the fear of man and go into scripture and look it up for yourself. I was told that as a female on fojw to let an elder answer all scripture questions. How I let myself accept that is beyond me. See you later.

  91. jacqueline says:

    Christopher could you please read the article and critique it here for us? Also conventions have begun and a relative stated they are telling young ones not to play with”worldly” children. She said she didn’t like this because if they leave they won’t have any friends. I told her the governing body are master’s at manipulation and are aware of that. They are not dummies, this is a well oiled mind control organization.

  92. Christopher Johns says:

    Jacqueline,
    There must be talks about where the great crowd is because the latest watchtower to come out on their site is about the identity of the great crowd.

  93. Marjo says:

    I have been reading at this Isaiah chapter 24 many times. It is talking about in the verse 3: The earth will be utterly laid waste and thoroughly plundered, for the LORD has spoken this word.

    Could it be so that Jehovah will destroy His enemies by making the earth dry like a desert? He will keep His followers safe from the destruction. Could it be that so called global warming is the beginning of this chapter 24? We have seen how heat has been torturing people around the world last year, and I can say that it is getting worse.

    In Noah’s day Jehovah destroyed mankind with the flood, so it could be possible that He will destroy this mankind by shutting down all water sources.

    Verse 4:
    The earth mourns and withers; the world languishes and fades; the exalted of the earth waste away.

    I’ve seen videos on youtube that in the California people have a silent war about water.
    Because land is getting so dry, that it is impossible to find drinking water. That’s why politicians are so worried about “global warming caused by humans”. Actually it is caused by God Himself for people whom did not keep His commandments as He has spoken through Isaiah chapter 24. Politicians know this, but they don’t want to admit that.

    Verse 5: The earth is defiled by its people; they have transgressed the laws; they have overstepped the decrees and broken the everlasting covenant.

    So we can expect more heat waves in the near future.

  94. jacqueline says:

    Hi Traveler, I didn’t cite an example of what I would harmonize with scripture if I was asked t do something that is against Jehovah’s will or what is written in the Bible. And I do think there is a yes and No answer to some things and can support why I would reject a course using the Bible. But I wasn’t making a point so I didn’t give an example.

    On going to heaven, everyone will have the opportunity to read what you have said and thank you for commenting.

    I might add from what I see in the Bible Jesus reign will be earthly from Jerusalem.

  95. travelers says:

    I was reading a comment under small talk and read this comment by you Jacqueline,
    “I would never do anything to undermine them personally but I will speak up with the Bible to defend (set straight I assume) a view that is not scriptural. This works with a witness as they will walk away. But I find a Bible Student actually will have a twist to a scripture that says it doesn’t really say what it says!”
    We have wondered that even after we’ve shown, usually in greater detail than most want, that an understanding is false in relation to the Bible, how we or anyone can make the statement ” but I will speak up with the Bible to set straight a view that is not scriptural.” Who determines the last word on what is not scripture, or what scripture means. What was true for some of us for years as scriptural truth, is not true now for us, even though we used the Bible to establish it to our satisfaction, in the first, and now in the second place.
    Love and being “up building” are not always possible using enlightenment to achieve it. Jesus out of love said:

    (John 16:12) . . .“I have many things yet to say to YOU, but YOU are not able to bear them at present. . .

    So we have visited this many times before, how much do you really have to know and understand to cross from death to life. Well, we know you have to have knowledge of Jesus and his Father Yahweh, enough to at least make you believe that Jesus is the Christ. We know that you must exercise this accurate knowledge/faith and get baptized. We put knowledge and faith together because faith based on inaccurate knowledge would constitute you as one of the blind, mentally speaking. From there who is to make the judgment that a brother or sister needs to know more?

    (John 5:24) . . .Most truly I say to YOU, He that hears my word and believes him that sent me has everlasting life, and he does not come into judgment but has passed over from death to life.

    The key must lay in this statement,

    (1 Peter 3:15) 15 But sanctify the Christ as Lord in YOUR hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.

    If we are to cover distance to draw closer to God it is apparent that we must reason on both self evident truth and on the scriptures. Jesus and all who followed him did so. But remember they did not use our Bible.

    We have an advantage in the writings that relate so much information to us in this time of the end about Jesus and his day. We can see plainly that these writings are inspired in almost all cases with the exception of those thoughts and ideas mankind has decided they should include, even when the author clearly states as Paul did on more than one occasion that it was his opinion. True the last gift, the “spirit of understanding”, was given so that we might peer into the deep things of God. Since you cannot render sacred service without your “power of reason” it stands to reason you must use it. Don’t you love terms like stand, as in stand erect, Up, as in make your mind “Up”? Well, we do. The more you see that frame of mind is everything, whether it’s the simple honest person of limited mental powers, or the simple honest person of increased mental powers having availed himself of the spirit of understanding, we must be using what God has given us with the soul purpose (yes we know) of understanding and taking God’s “HIGHER” thoughts to make our minds OVER (God higher than us ). It is frame of mind that we are to up build. But if our brother or sister is not capable of depth of thought what then? We with our depth should give that some thought in case we are ASKED. But if we are not asked, a judgment that we should set them straight might be just that, a judgment. As it says, if they have crossed from death to life, they will understand in God’s good time.

    Yes to understand strengthens your “stand” so you are less likely to fall. We all want to give strength to our brothers and sisters. But there is that statement “down hearted”, which we would not want to be responsible for causing. In doing so we might cause them to lose heart and prove false to the power of their form of Godly devotion.
    Having said all this we assume that putting out the effort to come onto one of the many sites on the INTERNET to discuss the Bible, everyone in their hearts wants to know. By this action showing up on the net, it is asking, right? Judging from the response and the Bible’s statement that “few find the narrow path” reality argues in opposition. With many generations of misguidance we also have to deal with the problem of many translations and teachers who did, and do so without the slightest idea of why things are happening. They go into extensive explanations of the details of the Bible and history, unable to draw any firm logical or rational conclusions. The overview of the Nature of What Is, God’s reality, is the only Way you can peer into the language of the Bible, the conceptual expression to “see”. If you focus on the words you will never make headway. The conceptual image of the Bible remains intact even if the words used by some translators could have been better chosen if they also had insight into the Language of the Bible and reality. Let us remind ourselves here that language and tongue are different. One is the conceptual image you want to share, language, the other is the sounds you use to convey those images.
    So as Webster pointed out in the preface to his Bible,

    Webster wrote; “Whenever words are understood in a sense different from that which they had when introduced, and different from that of the original language, they do not present to the reader the Word of God.”

    Webster has a logical grasp of the nature of expression, even though he misunderstands that the sense conveyed is “Language”. The tongues are of little importance, we all can get the language if we peer into the words with an overview that allows us to look past poor choice of words.
    What is important is remembering the questions, “How much awareness is necessary to cross from death to life?”, “How much knowledge is enough to maintain this stand?” and how one determines when one is being asked? Do they really want to “know” God. Having considered these questions we’ve arrived at the conclusion, Love hopes all things.

  96. Marjo says:

    That is great! That inside Jehovah’s Witnesses there are people whom are not judging the way like the other members in the congregation. It could be that some of the elders have woken up and realized the truth that everyone who believe in Jesus and follow his path will be saved. I’m sure that Jehovah will wake more people from that society to see the real truth. For some people it will take more time. I have not lost my hope for them. Or it might go in that way that some congregations leave the Governing body and keep going as a single church.

  97. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I had a loving experience today. An elder within JW from my childhood called me to give some info about a brother we grew up with. The conversation lasted for an hour or more. He knows that I am not a part of the organization because a committee of 30 elders met and called Bethel when my brother died to see if some of them could prevent me from attending his funeral at the kingdom hall and the dinner afterward. If he wasn’t one of the thirty convened, news spreads quickly among such a small body. The GB advised them not to bother me and I could attend any services for my brother and eat with family without hindrance from elders.
    It was so comforting to see he isn’t focused on a group of men like it was in our childhood. We considered the headquarters (governing body didn’t exist) book publishing agent but our brothers ran the congregations. I grew up under segregation and “Jim Crow” laws in a strictly Black congregation, White congregations and Black cong. were totally not permitted to congregate together. So that is the climate of my childhood in the Southern United States.
    He understood that there are others beyond Jehovah witnesses that have God’s blessings and love. We mentioned some by name and referred to the scripture in Luke’

    Luke 9:50:
    “But Jesus said to him, “Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.” We had one friend that passed last year and she had a small class meeting in her home and he mentioned she had gone back to the Churches. I told him as long as she still had faith in Christ and Jehovah because I knew her struggles and I just couldn’t visualize her being among Jehovah Witnesses after such horrible treatment. He said he felt the same way about many voices in Christians. I said yes a body of one with many parts. I told him doctrine and understanding of some scriptures may differ and I never argue that with religion. But I won’t associate if I am commanded I must worship a man or men.
    He mentioned now at the doors they don’t either as witnesses, they listen to other religious views. So I was happy to speak with Christians within the witnesses that are still as our childhood, viewing the organization as a printing entity and not the “Way to God.”

    John 14:6 “Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.’ so I told him I will draw a line in the sand on worshipping men rather than God or putting them in the position of “instead of Jesus”, (anti-Christ).
    So I think he got a sense of why I wasn’t referencing the organization but only the Bible or Jesus. He never focused on my not being in the organization. He carried himself like a “Man of God” as well as a friend. So different from the threats and demands you normally experience from elders.

    This scripture was playing in the background and my prayer for no confrontations was answered. My doctor says I am not to be in stressful situations anymore with elders of former religion as they are toxic. He said to hang up the phone, make the emails go to spam, and don’t open my door if one shows up on my doorstep. So he was a refreshing cold glass of water on a hot 100-degree day.

    “Php 4:6,7: Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

  98. Marjo says:

    The most important thing is that you have found the right path to Christ. Then we dont have to fear anything else, not even death. We can count on that our names will be in the book of life. Today I had the feeling that I
    have to write a diary of world events. I have to buy a diary for that.

  99. jacqueline says:

    It is strange, the music industry. It has Super Stars who lives are often linked to immorality and spiritism. Men of fame. I am not that into music as I traveled with celebrities for a living. Most were just making a living but there is a facet to the celebrity crowd that is different from regular people in my observation.
    Our world is changing. I think in my children lifetime Christ will return. I would love to be here to observe and live through the prophetic fulfillments of the Bible but it is going to be rough before relief.
    Now the the prayer to have his will done on earth like HEAVEN has more impact.
    It is refreshing to hear a parent say they know children need to look up from their phones for a moment.

  100. Marjo says:

    It is good to take care of your health too, Jehovah knows when we need to rest. We don’t need to try to change this world, because we know who is the god of it. I did not watch Eurovision song contest, because I knew that Madonna was going to sing there. I am not into worldy music anymore because I know whom it is from. There is not much light in this world, because most of the people are into this entertainment that is from Satan. Most people are into their phones too. They are like cell phone zombies drooling around for their apps. It is not good to let your phone to control you, and this is what I will teach for my children.

  101. jacqueline says:

    Marjo I was at doctor’s yesterday and tired so I couldn’t answer.
    I think we will see some stressful Rulership problems before the word climaxes with the return of Christ to rule here as King. I posted Jeremiad 4:23-27 in one comment because it shows an incident of just what Jehovah will do in his fierce anger when man breaks all moral laws. Here in America we can’t speak out against moral issues. I focus on helping because your life can be cut short if you try to change this crookedness.We have the huge abortion law over here raging.
    Our political climate bears watching. I try to enjoy the earth and family and working to keep my stress levels down. I am not traveling anymore because that is one of my triggers for my heart, being in traffic. Also I don’t go around people that are going to try and make me come back to organized Religion. I am thriving spiritually being in a small group.
    My son is here helping me do all my yard work as I still heal from my stroke. They found the cause. It is AFib so I have to watch it. Take care.

  102. Marjo says:

    Yes I think that is where they are driving this country. They are forcing people to think at the same way, if you have a different opinion, then you are nothing. For example immigrants. If you are talking in negative way about immigrants then you are racist. If I would say that it is wrong to me to take immigrants in here, because there are too many poor people in this country whom they should take good care of at first. They would call you racist. It is wrong to give immigrants everything for free, when poor person is fighting for living, you are racist if you say like that. Here is 300 000 person in this country whom don’t have a job, and they live poor life. Today I heard on the news that here is 60 000 muslims in this country. That is a lot. It feels like Finnish person can not say nothing to defend their rights. You just have to sit and watch when other people are taking over your country.

    Long long time ago…this country was divided in two, there were red and white wristband. I think we are going to that old time again, but this time there is no wristbands. They even changed sitting order in Parliament house, because rest of the politics did not want to sit next to the other politics whom are driving rights of Finnish people. My country is dividing….it is sad to see where it is going.

    We are living in the last days, so people go against each other as it was said in the Bible.

  103. jacqueline says:

    So Marjo, is your country like Sweden? Is it a Socialist country.?
    Also at one of the Voice of the myrtles meeting I asked how they got Bibles into one particularly bad tough country? They said if we told you we would have to kill you afterward.LOL. We write verses on balloons, blow them up and send them toward a zone and the wind carries it. By the time the authorities get to the villages they are well hidden or memorized. Sometimes you have to be creative, like give something free as a donation to a regime, lots of it but hidden underneath are Bibles. Play crazy and drool at the mouth, no one wants to search you to close. You are in fact skinny not as fat and hunched over, dirty and pathetic as you look. There are ways to get the message into the lands where only one religion is allowed for instance and it is not Christian. To be caught with a Bible as a Christian in some lands gets you shunned and sent away from your land. For instance, if the whole village is Buddhist and you become a Christian the elders will make you leave your village.Thus destroying your family. This seems to be a tactic of elders in positions of authority to use shunning to force you to come back to get your family back. So many stories from around the globe of Christians persecuted for Christ. Muslim countries sometimes hunt down a female if she turns Christian even following her to another country and around the globe in one instance. Satan has a seed also.

    We had 11 persons on the Saturday night call tonight. Thursday we had 9 so that is encouraging.

  104. Marjo says:

    It is interesting how my Bible doesn’t use the word sodomites. Of course because I have a version what Lutherans use. It is difficult to find a Bible that is translated correctly in my language. And I have seen many verses where they have twisted Bible word to look like that Jesus is the God. I haven’t been able to find Bible in its original language Hebrew and Aramea. Obviously it is too dangerous for this church age to give that information out. I’ve had the feeling that when first church disappeared, Romans took control of the scriptures and made their own changes.

    I found out that there is 6 countries where Bible has been banned. I’m sure some wise believers hide their Bible in a safe location. That is what I would do if such thing would come in my country. Maybe they could try to give them a Bible in pieces. Sending books of the Bible could work in that way, if they would attach one book like Letter of Romans inside a regular book. That could work.

    World is going to more twisted way a year by year. Politics are more and more greedy to get more money away from people. That is whats happening here in Finland. They are making more and more taxes to suck money away which they have given. Living in my country is more and more difficult, when they raise the price of electricity, rent, water and so on. This is Satan’s greedy world.

  105. jacqueline says:

    Hi Marjo, You know I agree with the Brazilian court on it being a crime to attack people based on their sexual orientation. Because you can often tell who is gay because of outward mannerism. Such lawless attackers might possibly be adulterers or fornicators, abortionist, Murderers, etc. Notice fornicators, idolaters is mentioned first in order. The thought of the act and the open and flagrant in your face of homosexuals sometimes causes us to forget they are sinners and verse 11 below shows that these changed and became Christians, like liars, can change. In fact, sometimes the attackers hate themselves because they may be closet homosexuals. Decent people don’t attack and kill other people. That’s my take on sin.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
    9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

    Footnotes:
    1 Corinthians 6:9 catamites, those submitting to homosexuals
    1 Corinthians 6:9 male homosexuals
    1 Corinthians 6:11 set apart

    Also in some countries, the Bible is banned already, I help in this organization now. The Voice of the Martyrs https://www.persecution.com/ the purpose is to get Bibles or pieces into the hands of these Christians, they are being beheaded for Christ right now, today in Islamic countries.

    The planned murder of your own children in such a horrible way has gone past being influenced by Adamic sin. It reminds me of this scripture and how God feels about it. They are wicked like Israel who had protection by God but still did a horrible thing like this.

    English Standard Version Jeremiah 32:35
    “They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”

  106. Marjo says:

    Yes I have heard about that on youtube, that especially in New York they abort perfect babies and that is sick. Now I think I know how Satan is going to attack on us believers. Brazil’s highest court has voted that it a crime to discriminate gay and trans people.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/brazils-highest-court-makes-it-a-crime-to-attack-a-person-based-on-sexual-orientation-gender-identity/2019/05/23/cc28fcce-7cc8-11e9-b1f3-b233fe5811ef_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.48c71d5f4a67

    Soon this phenomenon will be world wide, and in the end they might probably ban the Bible too.

  107. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, over here in America the slaughter of babies in the womb and the killing of so many children by parents shows there is no natural affection, on of Jesus signs. Satan worship and belief in the Bible and God is at the point of whAT JESUS PREDICTED.
    Also now we have weapons where we can man can mutually destroy each other, Israel is surrounded by its enemy nations, and every eye can see Jesus because of the internet and satellite. Also, we can see Jerusalem when the desolation takes place and those outside the city of Judah will be fleeing for safety. None of these prophecies was possible in times past.
    So my resolve is to keep seeking with others that are recognizing the signs until Jesus come again.

  108. Marjo says:

    Anyway we can see a lot of signs in the world that return of Jesus Christ is near. Worship of Satan is not a secret anymore, it has become normal religion for people. Many celebrities have given their life for Satan to be famous and rich. Now these people whom have done that are preaching that if you want to be rich and famous worship Satan. There is no God among these people. We can even see it from tv-shows how twisted they have become. God mocking, increase of homo sexuality. This kind of entertain is not for followers of Jesus Christ. I don’t like to watch tv anymore because it is full of things that Bible say is a sin. I would rather watch youtube, because there you can choose what to listen. When you watch tv, there might be a scene of immoral stuff that pops out on your face.

    I’m glad that my children are wise, they are careful on youtube aswell.

  109. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I have learned to look for opportunities to talk and share about things in the Bible. I am a great believer in God’s Holy Spirit guiding when to speak. I don’t myself talk to witnesses on purpose so if I see a witness it never crosses my mind to tell them anything about Christ, unless they ask me. Witnesses generally are closed off and something horrible has to happen before they leave. some will, however, sneak on websites at libraries so their mates or family members won’t be able to track them and turn them in. (Wow that sounds like cult behavior, turning a person in)

  110. jacqueline says:

    Marjo no I haven’t heard this date from the witnesses. I did, however, sit through a Bible Student session at their General convention and saw the computation for 2038. I raised my hand because the speaker admitted one 50 year figure was panning out. He said but let’s get past that and see these further figures. I asked 2 or 3 prominent elders (after one asked me have you heard all the brothers are saying 2038 is the year): Didn’t Jesus say no man knows not him but the Father?
    All three said but he didn’t say we wouldn’t ever know! So I learned to stop asking about why clearly stated words are being ignored or taken lightly because there is always an answer to circumvent the Bible saying what it means and means what it says.
    Don’t they know Jesus is the word of God and all info that they have He already had and could have used it to figure it out? He is the creator of all things, excepting Jehovah, yet he said no one.
    Fragrant disregard for the clear statements in the Bible.

  111. Marjo says:

    Have you heard anything about the year 2034? I have been reading from the websites that Jehovah Witnesses are saying that Armageddon will be then. What did Bible say about setting dates for Armageddon? We do not know the day or a year, only Jehovah does. It is not the first time when they do omens like that.

  112. Marjo says:

    I will listen David Jeremins videos when I can. When I said I am teaching my children to stay away from religions, I meant that not to join in any. Apostle Paul also went to synagog to preach for people, so we have to stay close to them, because that is where sheep come from. When their leaders have treated them wrong, or they realize that this is not the truth. Then we must be there to help and support them to get up back on the feet, just like people whom have left from Jehovah’s witnesses. They need other people support, that they would not think that life has end there when they left the society.

    That made me wonder, how do I recognize when I see familiar Witness on a street or on a store that they have left from there. Few days ago I was on the library with my children and I saw there familiar witness brother sitting on computer. Not looking JW.org websites, but regular news website. It also made me wonder, why he was in the library? Could it be possible that he is fading away?

  113. jacqueline says:

    Good Morning Marjo, I agree the Bible says plainly Jesus is the way to God and to where he is going. It is so simple, yet man has made the systems that they say you must follow. It is called denominational, religions. I prefer to call believers in Christ Christians, just my preference. So you are giving your children an early start of rejecting following men and relying on the scriptures as revealed to them by the Helper and listening to many Christian voices for their explanations to get a well-rounded view on understanding. I believe small groups like the 1st century Christians allow for the freedom to discuss and the Spirit to enter because Jesus said 2 or 3. It takes courage to say no to religious orders and stick to that.

    Matt 25:31-32 “31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.”
    Timeline:
    Marjo I see this scripture as happening When Jesus comes again and is sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem. So it to me occurs during the Millenium.
    I don’t believe what we were taught by the Witnesses and Bible Students, that he has come already, invisibly, in heaven. This doctrine was made up when the failed predictions of the Saints going to heaven and Armageddon happening in 1914, 1918,1925, 1975. So they made this up and even taught we are in the Millenium. The witnesses and other end time sects from that era dropped this teaching as it dishonors Jesus to say this is the best he can do because things are not going to paradise and peace now but just the opposite.

    Also since he is coming with his”Angels” here not the Saints, I see this as future. Others probably will weigh in on this. I find you don’t have to go beyond what is actually said, but this puts a wrinkle in the plans of those that feels His 2nd coming is heavenly. Notice that all the nations are before him, and Isaiah is just full of how his rule will be. I heard a talk on this by David Jeremiah and it made a lot of sense and was a few other thoughts for me to think about.
    I am going to put that talk on the bottom with the other videos where other voices are presented for this webpage.

  114. Marjo says:

    I am teaching my children to stay away from religions. They don’t need that when they know that Jesus is the way and the truth. Anyway I was thinking that are we in this time what Jesus was talking about in

    Matthew 25:32
    “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;

    We have seen that many people left from religion and are following Jesus only.

  115. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I do agree with you, “they shelve it because they have been convinced that it is Jehovah’s organization and he has appointed the Governing Body as the Faithful Slave.” I find also that the Bible Students are the exact same way when it comes to Russell and “Study in the Scriptures volumes”. They are from the same source, even if the Bible students rewrite, or attempt to change the facts and their history.
    That being said I don’t attempt and never have tried to enlighten or sway either a Jehovah witness or A Bible Student from these “Captives of a Concept” views.
    I just say bless their heart and move on with the Bible students because their’s is sort of more irrational they venerate a dead man and others that have died. Tears well up in some of their eyes if you say something truthful yet negative concerning Russell. So I just move on from that level of adoration of a dead man.
    I realize that people have the right to worship as they see fit and never try to offer a place or help one that has not already left on their own without any coaxing from me.

    I do believe if they are suffering and they pray that God will hear their sincere prayer to get free and find a place of refuge.

    I view many of youtube or webpages as vital to prohibit people from joining the destructive cults. I think it will help teenagers and young adults to get free. Some are not ready for a spiritual setting when they are trying to break free.
    But if God’s Holy Spirit does not feel they have to come out to be ransomed by Christ, I don’t either.
    I would never do anything to undermine them personally but I will speak up with the Bible to defend a view that is not scriptural. This works with a witness as they will walk away. But I find a Bible Student actually will have a twist to a scripture that says it doesn’t really say what it says!

    ie, 1 Peter 3:19–20 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
    I understood this to mean after his resurrection but while still in our realm but a spirit himself, he preached to the disobedient sons of God from Noah’s day.

    A Bible student elder and another sister sitting next to me looked at me in astonishment and said “you don’t really think he actually went anywhere do you” I said yes. The sister laughed and said even her baptize minister knew this wasn’t literal. They both said it was by his life course of obedience and death he showed them or preached to them. The example given was, “I paused then went back to eating”, meaning no actual traveling took place.
    I must in honest admit however that some Bible Students believe exactly what the Bible says in this instance.
    I love the Bible Student brothers as many became dear to my heart. I actually love tons and tons of witnesses that I grew up with and are my family.
    I would never try to ask a person to move with their children when the house they are in is housing them with maybe some leaks but better than sleeping outdoors or in a shelter. I feel I need to make sure I don’t somehow become disapproved.

    Unlike the Bible Students but like the witnesses I believe I should try to reach those that don’t know some of the truths about Christ, not preaching to the ones that are considering the Bible.
    Yes association and sharing with one another are correct and the Bible says to do that, so that isn’t what I mean.
    The Bible Students as individuals preach more to themselves and their little closed group, many believing they are the heavenly class remnant. In fact from the platform last year 2018 convention the elder stated that the African brothers were “in his back pocket” as he was giving them the laptops and smartphones from his boxes.
    At least 2 prominent elders from the Bible Students said to me that they feel the “African brothers” are just “taking a bath” when they are getting baptized in large numbers. 2018 convention 2 told me to my face that “it seems the Lord is with the Arian race” at this time”
    I wanted to understand how they were this backward in this day and age? I found it might be because they keep regurgitating the writings of Russell and Most say they believe every word he has written. See what I found here:
    https://askjacqueline.life/category/watchtower-quotes/ Now I understand their weird remarks to me about race. God sent me there to reveal these errors to me, so I could see it is Russell, not the individuals. They are captives of his concepts.
    And this isn’t all inclusive but a general summation of my sojourn within their ranks.

    Matt. 24:4 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.” I believe this applies to many of the teachings of Russell. He took the wars that Jesus said not to take and made everything fit within 1914. Poor Bible Students (some) believe we are in the 1,000-year millennium reign of Christ and that it is overlapping from the Christian age.

    My journey into their world was necessary I feel so I could see where this craziness got its start.
    We don’t use books and are getting so much directly from the Bible without being in harmony with the 2 slaves, Russell and the Governing body of Jehovah Witnesses.

    Sorry, this is so long but I just drank my coffee and my brain is working. LOL

  116. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    Despite the fact that there is information on the Internet regarding JW’s, the Society has done a good job demonizing “apostate websites”. As a result, most don’t look at these videos and websites out of “loyalty to Jehovah and his organization”. Apostates are viewed as deceitful and mentally deranged. Sadly many of the videos are presented in such a way that they provide backing for this viewpoint. While I understand the pain many of those feel after the abuse they received, when they post lies, half truths, and erroneous information this does not help open the eyes of the rank and file. I am out of the cult and I find some of these videos offensive because of this.
    When they come across some of these videos they get turned away from the information that is factual and presented in a respectful manner. So to say they are not duped I don’t think is completely accurate. It is because they are duped that they don’t allow themselves to view anything critical of the Society.
    I see this in many of the the Bible Students as well. They refuse to listen to anything critical of Russell, thus blind themselves to a ton of information that wasn’t available when he was alive.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses have been so deeply ingrained in the cult that it often takes a traumatic event to get them to begin to research the real truth. My wife was raised a Witness. She doesn’t have any desire to look elsewhere. Like most of the rank and file she has been effectively brain washed. When they see problems they shelve it because they have been convinced that it is Jehovah’s organization and he has appointed the Governing Body as the Faithful Slave.

  117. Marjo says:

    God has probably chosen us for something bigger mission in the near future. I just don’t know what. We need to study scriptures more.

  118. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, that’s true according to Kent from Sweden. His country seems to be like that. Maybe someone remembers or know why or what happened to cause some whole countries to not be religious anymore.

  119. Marjo says:

    That is all true. They are so drunken of that doctrine that no one can’t safe them unless Jehovah won’t personally wake someone up. Obviously my country is so pagan that I haven’t found anyone else that is thinking same than I am. Or they just afraid to open their mouth online. I have only found sites where people left religion, but they are mocking God and Jesus. I don’t like to be with that kind of people.

  120. jacqueline says:

    Marjo hello, I saw Ted R comment on them asking for money. I don’t feel sorry for the friends however as they should be intelligent enough with all the chatter to know the religion was found to be worth billions in one pedophile case.
    A lot of people give to their Pastors because they feel it offers absolution with God. Witnesses are no different, they adore the governing body and regard them as speaking from God or in place of Christ. They aren’t forced and since a plate isn’t passed they can ignore the plea or just drop a dollar in. If not this scheme they will fall into another. They love their “Faithful and Discreet Slave”. One person said “I do with my money as I please” why do you care what we do for our organization. I see some of these comments on other Facebook posts. Those that are in the organization now are not duped they love it. Even tho they are reading on the internet they remain loyal to their organization like all of the other religious donations given by laity.
    It isn’t just the personality like it was when Russell started the movement and Rutherford, today it is the group loyalty to the perpetuation of its ideas and organization. Rutherford and Knorr called it the “New World society”. To build a group survival think. Thus the governing body rather than the men names.
    So I don’t feel anything when their organization guides them monetarily or with doctrine.
    My only feelings about their operation were my family telling me I couldn’t leave these sect teachings. That I had to be in the Jehovah Witnesses. I really never was bothered by the shunning, just saying I couldn’t see my grandchildren.
    Also, like lots of people, they pay their way to God. They are a part of Babylon like all organized religion. Small house groups generally study scripture I have found. I have been meeting people with house Churches in my city. They can discuss scripture with you and we listen to each other.

  121. Marjo says:

    I began to search Bible verses about this subject and found 2 Corinthians chapter 9. In verse 7 Paul is giving an advice how to donate: Each one should give what he has DECIDED in his heart to give, not out of regret or compulsion. For God loves a cheerful giver.

    I feel so sorry for these parents whom have to obey these rules that are against Bible. I just wish that they would wake up and see that this is not right.

  122. Marjo says:

    Now governing body has gone too far! They are saying that children have to donate their savings for this cult. These children will be lost when they are adults. They don’t know how to save money to pay bills, or how to save money to get something you need.

    Jehovah would NOT want to have children to give all their savings. This is nonsense! Bible doesn’t teach that you have to donate all your savings.

  123. jacqueline says:

    marjo, yes that is a unique timeline animation. it is simple and you can clearly see Islam’s appearance. It became an enemy of Christ and forced a lot of Christian nations into Islam the same way that Catholicism forced nations to come under the Papal system or die. thanks for posting that.
    i have been resting at my son’s home for a few days and enjoying grandchildren.
    you know for the first time in my life i have control over my thinking and relationship with God and Jesus. No pressure to conform to dogma.
    i can breathe, Wow!

  124. Marjo says:

    Wow someone has created amazing animation how religion spread in the world.

    https://youtu.be/AvFl6UBZLv4

  125. jacqueline says:

    Marjo that is so nice to enjoy your family. It is a lesson about the Creator everywhere we go. I think it is worth obedience to him to make sure we see what he has in store for us. Your weather is sort of like ours here in the Chicago area. I am planting flowers, raking leaves and bringing out the summer furniture. The intern is going to change the site, keeping the articles but cleaning it up a bit, can’t wait to get started and see what she does.

  126. Marjo says:

    This vacation has been great. Our cabin is near the ocean so we can go walk on the beach every day. It is not summer yet, so air is little cold some times, but we don’t have snow anymore on the ground. Today has been very windy. All we need is the fresh sea-air.

  127. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I agree with you. In the days of Noah, the book of Enoch says that women were taught the occult arts by the wicked sons of God. And today we have females basically who are the fortune tellers, using the crystal ball, etc. Children, men, and women will play with the ouija board. It is not a TOY! But I know some get together and play with it, and invites the demons into their life in this way. If you have escaped the influence of worship of men and their control, why would we go under the control of the satanic forces? It seems demons have to have a host, a conduit to get control of us. That is why a Christian will fill up that space where they emptied out the doctrines of men, with the “Word of God”. Not mystic sources, it can be dangerous for Christians just getting free because he wants to give them by deception, special knowledge. I vote with you, stay in the Bible

  128. Marjo says:

    1 Timothy 4:1
    Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

    If someone is trying to get you to read or search something that has something to do with teachings of demons, then you are going to wrong direction. You should not go to that road, because then Satan is trying to weaken your spiritual wall in that way.

    Do not allow anything to weaken your spiritual wall, because that is protection against demons attack that are on the earth.

    To get even stronger wall around you and your family, you need to pray and read Bible daily. We are living in the last days so Satan is trying to do everything to get down followers of Jesus Christ.

    Stay strong in faith and pray <3

  129. Marjo says:

    It’s funny you said that, because Spirit has lead me too to find the answer from something someone has said or is speaking. It means that same Spirit is leading us both even tho we are in other countries. I had an idea to make my own site in Finnish. It is in the beginning but I will manage to finish it in its own time. I know that there are sheep in my country too, whom obviously are too afraid to talk about their faith.

  130. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I too have asked myself what would Jesus do or say when faced with responding to persons upset with me because I left the witnesses.
    It makes me feel good when I handle situations like He would.
    We don’t have to rush now. We can slow down and hear other voices.
    I take note of difficult scriptures in prayer and Holy Spirit will lead me to listen to a conversation in a store or on internet or somewhere and I get another thought on that scripture. I am just enjoying this free flow of Holy Spirit. Freedom is so exciting.

  131. Marjo says:

    Creating a video is taking a lot of time. But it is good not to rush with it. Now I’ve been following Jesus, I know now what it really means. It means that when you have new personality on you, you have to think like: What Jesus would do, would Jesus do this?
    This kind of thinking has helped me a lot to grow in faith and grow good fruits in me.

  132. jacqueline says:

    I will look forward to seeing your video! I have learned so much about the Bible now that I think it is worth being HIS friend and worship Jehovah. He has some great stuff out there for us if we can just trust him! I feel so blessed to have gotten out of a religion that had such a tight hold on you that no outside thought was allowed. One man’s thoughts on the Bible became a cult following but I will not keep letting it hurt me that I spent my life in Russell’s ramblings but use that experience to soar now in freedom.

  133. Marjo says:

    Now I am working on a project to create a little video about what happens when human wont follow God and when human does follow God. Next week we will be on vacation with my family. I hope the weather is great…right now it is snowing little and there is a cold wind. In April the snow was melting so fast that we could enjoy nice and warm weather for a while. According to weather channel sun will shine next week.

  134. jacqueline says:

    Marjo such good news to see Baby is running. Delayed children have done some of our great things. Their minds sometimes grasp a new and different way of doing things and they invent. Read about some of our inventions they said the makers were slow but their minds were beyond regular humans. We found this out with 2 family members. Almost geniuses but at first they seemed different. Now they have high powered jobs. So.
    Imagine what you and your husband can teach your children with your increased awareness!!!
    If I had young ones now I would have one special evening for them to read out loud discuss and prepare what they gleaned in advance. Then let them sit in or walk thru while we tackle the deep subjects on Thursday night.
    Those restricted kingdom hall indoctrination sessions are hard to unlearn but now you can put Jesus right into your children and fear of Jehovah because of his Awesomeness, Grandeau, Mercifulness and Power not because of a mistaken view of Armageddon! Even that is an act of love as he rescue Israel and break the nation’s backs and set up his Kingdom rule of Peace.
    I will travel back home today. I stayed with my daughter in law and 4 grands while my son traveled for work. She needs another hand there when he is gone.
    Since my stroke I can’t help with her housework anymore but I can cook, pick up kids and be there while she runs about. I love them although their listening to the governing body of Jehovah witnesses almost destroyed our family. I WILL NOT GIVE THOSE MEN THAT MUCH POWER OVER ME AND MY FAMILY!
    The PEN is mightier than the sword.
    A reporter called me a few days ago to get insight into those men to write a book. So take care, I got to see up a few tips and tears in blankets for the kids before I hit the road.

  135. Marjo says:

    It is good that your family can see close that you are following God and then they have nothing bad to say about you. I learned too that conflict is not the answer to wake them up, love is the answer and that is the way how we show them, that we also follow God’s rules even tho we are not members of Jehovah Witnesses.

    My family is doing great, only my oldest children are having this teen period going on now. It is taking a lot of patience. Little one is doing great also he is almost running, he loves walking outside. I wonder what he will be when he is an adult, because he is interested all kind of electrical device he sees. Printer is the best and second is tv remote. He doesn’t speak yet, in this syndrome there is speech delay, but I don’t know how long it will be.

    Yes we had memorial with unleaved bread and wine. I am glad that my children are interested of Biblical things too. They also want to have their own Bibles.

  136. jacqueline says:

    Marjo hello! I have been thinking about you! I am doing the same thing!. I am a following the k- house verse by verse of Genesis, Daniel and Revelation. I have found that the first mention of something helps me to identify it later in scripture.ie, the serpent, the woman and seed of both are mentioned in Genesis now I know what is meant when I see it in revelation or elsewhere.
    I agree humans are loved by God not matter how we label ourselves for identity purposes.
    It has always been the system, the organization and it’s instead of Christ structure. It takes people to keep an organization going.
    Jehovah I don’t feel is upset with individuals as he has put all power in his hand to teach both witnesses, non witnesses and all of mankind.
    I just need to disconnect from rules, dogma and doctrines of one man and organizations.
    My family isn’t fighting me on this now and thst is all I personally wanted to be free to worship God and get to know about Jesus and learn all the new and exciting things in the Bible.
    Once I just decided to write my family off to get freedom, they did an about face, so go figure.
    How is your family? What about the little one, is he walking and talking?
    I just loved it when we were able to see your entire family including your husband.
    Did you do Memorial with your family? Give us an update please.
    Also I will have an intern that will be working with the site to clean it up a bit.
    She is a Psychology Major. This should be a blessing as she can write and add a lot. Once we revamp, I might do some advertising. But we get few thousand from 53 countries and 253 cities. Holy Spirit is our only advertisement now.
    I feel your joy in being able to study and also sed that God is goid not the evil one portrayed by our former associations.
    Take Care. ❤

  137. Marjo says:

    Hello everyone!
    It has been long time since I’ve been here. I hope everyone is doing well.
    I’ve been studying Bible and got some clear picture of it. Finally after all those years when I was property of Governing body. Today I realized something, I realized that everyone is equal front of God’s eyes. Jehovah Witnesses and ex-Witnesses. I just wish that people whom are still in JW will wake up.

    Romans 10: 12
    For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him,

  138. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, love the facebook page. I saw this one discussion on the trinity.
    It mentioned that before Jesus came to earth people worshipped one God and that at the announcement of his birth there was no mention of a triune God head coming to ransom us.
    Some of this I agree with but there actually was the worship of a triune god but it was Isis I believe and Egypt worshiped a god for harvest, birth, water etc. But the part on the scriptures announcing Him does not talk about a trinity associated with him. I do however accept Jesus as a divine being or a God. I noticed when I associated with the Bible students it seemed they wavered on his being divine. I will continue reading today as I am still healing. How is the progress of you son this week? There will be leaps week by week sometimes.

  139. Marjo says:

    Here is the link to facebook https://www.facebook.com/HumansOfFaithGroup/

    Softwares that I am learning to use are UNITY and adobe anime. With UNITY I can create a game or a video. With adobe animate I can make moving images. It is difficult to learn at first, because software is new and in English. But there is a lot of helpful sites that is giving good information how to work with this software.

  140. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, what a blessing! I think your son will defy all odds. So glad to hear about your new class that you are taking. Tell us more about it please.
    Also I need your and Sanura website so we can put it as a reference website for more discussions.
    It is so nice that we aren’t all sticking to one site but opening more so persons can make their decisions without preconceived thoughts or long held or prior religious teachings. It is refreshing with all the support of God’s Holy Spirit. I hear from Sanura often. So please send me the link or post it here and I will put it on the proper page. Hug your family for me.

  141. Marjo says:

    I have been very busy lately. My son has now learned to walk. He doesnt stop walking lol.

    There is another serious thing I want to share. All over the youtube there is talk about economical collapse that begins from the US and eventually spread all over the world.

    In the videos they also advice people to prepare. Not to keep your cash in the bank. Get as many supplies as you can for 6 months. Food, medicine, water, candels, batteries and everything else that is important to you.

    Most important is to keep yourselves safe and prepared when that happens. It is not good to go to store when people hear that collapse has happened. There will be panic. It is good to stay away from that panic mass. Keep yourselves up to date of this in youtube.

    God bless you all and be safe

  142. jacqueline says:

    Good for you Marjo. I just spoke with one granddaughter and will go get her this holiday, visit my sister and other relatives. Then I will have all grandchildren together. We need to enjoy our families. Looking at God’s creation builds up faith in God for your children. We are over the hump now and balanced. Hurray!

  143. Marjo says:

    I think Im going to get some sleep now my boy is sleeping also. Im glad that kids will begin their holidays on Friday. Last time from this year I will take them to school and pick them up from there. We found ourselves a new hobby. We are examine things with microscope. It is interesting when you see something small you couldnt see with your eye. It is something we all enjoy to do.

  144. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, you won’t get any sleep until your baby is about 4. I hate to say that but mommies are sleep deprived, and you have the added love of 22q. I encourage my clients to say over and over “And This Too Shall Pass”!
    Then you pray for small miracles. If you just happen to be up tonight pop on and say hello. I finally saw Nubby Tope and that was so great. I think I am talking to Kevin on google+ and if that is him I hope to get him to come to BBB and let us see him and him us.

  145. Greg says:

    Hugs to you, Marjo!

  146. Marjo says:

    Hello everyone 🙂
    We finally got our baby boy to get better night rythm. Now I am able to sleep better also.
    Now Im worried about his left leg. When he is trying to walk without support it doesnt work like the right one. But that doesnt stop him going lol. It might be part of 22q.

  147. jacqueline says:

    I agree Marjo we support each other here.
    Saturday we had a beautiful discussion session. Most like the fact we can type a response in real time.
    It seems some of the friends will speak what they feel about the wrongs done to them by the witnesses but are hesitant to mention wrong things that they see in Russell who is the originator of the Jehovah Witnesses and other Bible student groups.
    That should not be! Russell is not a god and is human just like all of us and is subject to error and questions about things he has said and taught. The dogma and doctrines are based mostly in part on his teachings.
    Such doctrines as the pyramid, the seventh angel to the seventh church of Revelation as being Russell. Russell is the faithful and discreet slave of Matt 25. These are all things we should be able to discuss openly on the BBB.
    No matter how men today try to rewrite history and say Russell is not the founder of the Jehovah witnesses they are wrong his doctrine is the basis for the religion. His writings are over 100 years old and really shouldn’t have to be consulted when reading the Bible for yourself or in small groups, the Holy Spirit is the helper for all of us. Jesus is who we should study intensely and the 66 books.
    I think we made progress in that area at our last session of going to the Bible and forget what the witnesses or Russell says, filter nothing thru any man’s teaching.
    Thursday we will have another study and it is so refreshing not to hear anything about what a man or organization says on a text but instead what the spirit reveals.
    Taking a long time to get free from those teachings and see what the Bible really says.

  148. Marjo says:

    You can restore the article. I don’t think there is that problem anymore.

    I finally got to rest whole night. I guess it is when I put my baby to sleep at somewhere around 11 he sleeps the whole night. He is just like me. If I go to sleep too early I wake up after 2 hours and can’t get sleep after that. If I go to sleep at 12 then that is enough for me lol.

    It is hard for anyone who decides to leave from Witnesses and then their families turn their back on you. When you have your trust and believe on Jesus then you can stay strong no matter what kind of words they are throwing you at.

    We must not forget that we have world wide family in Christ here. We just need to support each other where the support is needed.

  149. jacqueline says:

    I have the article and can just restore it. Russia bots is what it blocks not legitimate people.
    I really appreciate Sanura as she is up against strong forces within her family to follow the teachings of the men that set up the doctrines, some even bizarre, of the watchtower society. She just pushes on to keep it simple and not go past Jesus. Hellfire, armageddon and second death are what is used to scare and control. Jehovah nor Jesus ever used these tactics. Jesus would give wsrnings to change but He never spoke of him sending people to second death.
    He said he came to save mankind mow not to judge and he never judged them but today Religions and their prominent teachers have taken over his place and are judging.
    You have to be strong not to cave in to the pressure and Sanura has pushed on. I will visit the site later today.
    Also advertise it here and I can add it as a helpful website.

  150. Marjo says:

    Yeah we must be careful on the internet whatever we click or download. Anything can bring our computers spywares that changes link you have shared to something else. Thats why I was worried about the message because it showed different in my laptop for a moment. I can find the article again and post it here again and see what happens. I just want to say that nobody doesn’t think that I have something against Russians no. I have Russian friends too.

    Yes I have been talking with Sanura. She also is following Jesus only. People do need help to see that it is Jesus/Yeshua whom to follow. They don’t have to struggle for being shunned because not obeying organizations rules if you still follow Jehovah. That’s not Jesus was teaching. He told to follow him.

    Thank you for your kind words sis! I would accept your offer for babysitting my little one 🙂

  151. jacqueline says:

    Marjo your article showed fine on our site. It was a refreshing article. It might not resonate with co derivative religious views of having to have great knowledge but it showed the simple power of Christ. No doctrines to argue over just Jesus simple words changed him. If you want I can restore it.
    Also, I spoke to other admin on this site last week about Russia being blocked by the defense system. It also blocked China but finally let them in.
    On here some admin were blocked because they say their email were on a data breach list. The internet is great but brings other problems. Sanura told me about the new site. You are the Marjo she was speaking too aren’t you?
    We talked about the your genetic markers that causes your babies problems. They don’t talk about it much in the United States. Will your precious baby adapt as he grows older? They are finding new cures every day as the technology helps them. Hope you can get some rest. If I was in Finland near you I would babysit at night and let you get some sleep.😌😘

  152. Marjo says:

    Thank you!
    When I saw my post with pc it was showing me some sort of small commercials board on my message that were changing. They were in Russia. But with phone it was normal.

    Now I have installed windows again to my computer. I hope that problem is gone.

    We are all fine. My baby boy has kept me awake many nights for several hours. Last night it was from 10 pm to 10 am. Then I finally got some rest when he was sleeping too.

    Thats good to know that they left from Witnesses. I hope they will begin to follow Jesus only.

  153. jacqueline says:

    Hi Marjo, I have deleted the post but I think that is what that was about a gang member that went to Christ. Let me go now and read it. Be right back. I have been out to dinner and preparing for family that might come in from a funeral so I just saw your post sorry.

    Okay, I read the article and it is about a gang member changing his life. But I will keep it in trash Marjo.
    How are you and your family doing?
    I had the opportunity to talk to my niece about what her life has been like since she left the witnesses and her life is great. Her children are happier now and everyone will be home for the funeral.
    Life goes on.

  154. Marjo says:

    I apology for that previous junk post that got there. I surely did not post that there. If someone is reading this it can be deleted. I was suppose to send a link of a man who was gang member and began to follow Christ. I don’t know I might have to reinstall my computer if there is a hacker on my laptop.

  155. Marjo says:

    Now I had a thought about Christs blood. Adam did sin against God so his blood became unholy. So there was needed to be Holy blood (Blood of Christ) to purify that unholy blood. That Holy blood was Christ. That\’s why we need to purify ourselves with the cup and bread, till the day when Christ arrives. Am I even close to right thought?

  156. Marjo says:

    I was googling the topic online and found this site
    https://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/why-was-jesus-a-sacrifice-faq.htm

    Quote from that site:
    \”Jesus was a sacrifice because human beings sin against God\’s holiness. Sin must be and is punished. There is no exception to this rule. Anyone with unforgiven sin in his life faces the horrifying prospect of eternal separation from God. No forgiveness exists unless someone capable of forgiving our sins pays the penalty of shedding his blood. Hebrews 9:22 says, \”In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

    Jesus was a sacrifice because only His blood could roll backwards to the first sinner and forward to the last. Whatever temporary measure God used before Christ in history to secure forgiveness, He alone was eternally slain in God\’s mind as the perfect sacrifice for sin. That\’s why death exalted Jesus from being a mortal Jew, to being the universal Lord.

    Jesus was a sacrifice because – when God tore the veil in two from top to bottom when Jesus died – it meant that Christ\’s death opened an unobstructed way to God (Matthew 27:51). Before, only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies (only once a year), and never without blood to cover his personal and national sins. Hebrews 9:7 says, \”But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.\”

    Jesus was a sacrifice because God honored it alone – of all the sacrifices ever offered – with the victory of bodily resurrection. That single success illuminated the cross as an object of pleasure for us and victory for Christ. That\’s why Paul noted that Christ\’s death made a spectacle of all opposition to God (Colossians 2:15). The Roman conquest of Antonia fortress in late July, A.D. 70, and the entire city a month later, eliminating the daily sacrifice, made no difference whatever to God\’s will. No further sacrifice was needed. Christ\’s own perfect sacrifice forty years before not only eliminated the temple\’s relevance, but received God\’s imprimatur three days later.

    That\’s also why we need neither trust our righteousness, nor fear our sins. Christ\’s resurrection guaranteed our emancipation from sin while it obligated us to his grace. Since His sacrifice was all sufficient, there is nothing we can do to deserve it. Since His resurrection verified His sacrifice\’s sufficiency, there is NOTHING we won\’t do for Him in appreciation.\”

  157. jacqueline says:

    Greg, I do see the intriguing analogies that you mention. Also Isaac carried the wood on his back in symbol of Jesus carrying his cross on his back. Wood, again from a tree. Oh HE is deep but we have always dealt with things dealing with the “anointed” and took us away from all the many gems of the Bible.

  158. Marjo says:

    While reading these comments I had a moment of silence. It just feels great to think with a brain of your own while reading Bible. That’s why it is important to have others opinions too to see things which you might have not thought about. I have noticed that someone has one thought and someone has another, then like you said pieces find in their place.

  159. Greg says:

    Marjo’s scripture and expression got me pondering the following half-baked (and perhaps distracting or even completely erroneous) ideas:
    I suddenly found myself thinking that the Curse upon mankind came about due to eating fruitage from a tree. The trees in the Garden of Eden were meant for sustaining life and for providing many other necessities for life including knowledge and education. Eating something which grew on a tree was a proper way of sustaining one’s own life. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, while the fruit did provide a means for education, it also brought death, rather than life.
    Then Jesus comes and puts his human life, and his knowledge, and his trust in God back up on a tree (or cross– which would be the equivalent of a dead tree recycled or re-purposed) and by so doing, created an opportunity for the death curse to be put back on a tree. His “body” would thereby also became a life-giving nourishment (symbolized by Bread) for all of mankind to partake and thus symbolically “put back” the fruit that Eve took, but still retain the educational lesson learned.
    One more possible “connection” is that the Israelites were commanded to observe the passover by putting the sheep’s blood on their doorposts–wooden doorposts also coming from re-purposed dead trees.
    I’m not trying to make or suggest there are hidden meanings herein. I’m just playing with all the intriguing “lego” pieces and seeing how they can fit together. At the very least, I can see and appreciate God’s ingenuity in working with all the “lego” pieces he has created.

  160. Marjo says:

    Romans 5: 12 – 21 explained it very well too.

    18
    Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.
    19
    For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
    20
    The Law was given so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
    21
    so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness, to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

  161. jacqueline says:

    Marjo my take is he was speaking to the Jews who were under a curse of the law in addition to our Adamic death. They died immediately for many things by stoning. He wasn’t addressing Adamic death consequences.
    The Jews had a difficult time understanding that their Christ, Delivered had come and they were no longer under the law code.
    The Bible clearly shows the person including Jesus is dead, nonexistent. No need for a Resurrection if they are still alive, just resuscitate them. I have found now that the Bible isn’t as symbolic as much as we thought. The witnesses had a view of the Jews that warped our understanding. Religions put a spin on scriptures when they are really very clear and mean what they say. I don’t know but it seems I understand when reading the Bible now since I have left organizations.
    HEB. 10:24,25, for instance, had nothing to do with Christian meeting attendance. It was admonishing the Jews not to keep going back under the law then coming back to Christ then going back under Judaism. Because they would not have a Savior if they went back under the law code.when Christians miss meetings they aren’t rejecting Christ and going under the law code. My take on the problem here.

  162. Marjo says:

    While writing these posters or could better naming be “postcard”. Now I am writing about: Yeshua sacrified Himself to set us free from the sin.
    I noticed a Bible verse that made me thinking death in totally another perspective.

    NLV
    Galatians 3: 13
    But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

    When Adam and Eve didn’t obey Gods rules curse of death came upon all human beings. When Christ died he became cursed. When he was woken up from the death in a third day, so he reverse the curse. I was thinking, does it mean that our soul does not die when our flesh body dies? I don’t remember that JW never teach that part of the Bible. When Christ revoke the curse. They were always teaching that soul dies too.

  163. Greg says:

    Marjo,
    I really enjoy several things about your expressions here:
    1) Excellent use of straightforward logic!
    2) Brief and clear. (Oh! how I wish I could be so precisely eloquent in so few words.)
    3) You used the word “find” in this sentence: “If we find these fruits in us…’ This fits perfectly with my understanding of the scripture about the fruits of the spirit. I have often had difficulty making it clear to my still-in Jehovah’s Witness friends that the fruitage of the spirit is something that grows when conditions are conducive. Too many of them seem to have accepted the erroneous belief that you can glue apples on any old tree and that what makes it an apple tree. But that only gives one a make-believe or pretend tree. I’ve long tried to argue that one must work at creating the proper healthy conditions for the tree (soil, light, warmth, water, etc.) and then the fruit will come all on it’s own. I think the word “find” captures that quite deliciously. Thank you!! (Compare 2 Tim 3:5 “For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]” (AMPLIFIED BIBLE)

  164. Marjo says:

    Dear friend, lets think of this in other way. If we wouldn’t have Holy Spirit helping us around then how could we build fruits of the Holy Spirit in us?

    Galatians 5: 22, 23
    22
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
    23
    gentleness, and self-control. The law is not against such things.

    If we find these fruits in us, then we know Holy Spirit is in us. It is not easy to build fruits of Holy Spirit, but if we work hard we can finally do it. We just have to allow Holy Spirit to help us in this.

    Galatians 5: 24 – 26
    24
    Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    25
    If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.
    26
    Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Like verse 25 said let us also keep in step with the Spirit
    Good night and take care

  165. Marjo says:

    Jacqueline some I do understand but there are things I dont understand yet. I noticed that Acts and Pauls letters are like walking hand in hand. While reading Acts you see Pauls journey. In the middle of that journey he wrote those letters. Then you can get more clear picture to your reading. I believe God will allow us to understand His Word when we are reading it. When we are joined to Christ and allowed him to our hearts we can ask Gods Holy Spirit to help our reading. Bible is saying that too. Not just holiest whom are suppose to be in heaven with Christ but other members in first church too.

  166. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I asked if you can understand the Bible with God’s help because I was recently told that the Holy Spirit doesn’t help individuals that way. That I needed to use books to tell me what the Bible says. But to trust God and believe Jesus words, “YOUR WORD IS TRUTH” I see now is frowned on by some Christians and organizations. I find it disturbing lately that some are discouraging actual Bible study alone. I know the witnesses forbid it without using their books to look up meanings but have found other associations do also in actuality.
    I love being able to just be on the phone of talk with a neighbor or other human now about God and not point them to books or magazines because we can actually use only the Bible.
    Jesus and early Christians down thru history had only Gods’ word directly and not books ABOUT God’ s word to study. I am finding it defines itself with at least 2 or 3 references. I do use other sources to get their thoughts and the internet but not doing a studious study of one work has proved to be a blessing for me. I thought I had freedom and liberty in Christ but now the mind really feels free as I turn straight to God. Strange happiness but I love it!

  167. Marjo says:

    Yes I do understand my reading. I didnt want to sound it like that way Im going back to that cult. When I was reading that it brought my mind how much it reminds of GB and secrets they have. Including books that are not members eyes to see. God has only one guide and that is the Bible.

  168. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I just got thru talking with Jeff who was reared in Catholic and then witnesse but studies with Wednesday studies.
    We are like you, understanding the Bible from reading it!.
    Marjo, it is Holy Spirit of God and He is pouriong it out on us. Organized religion is not for me. I understand God when I don’t use organized religion books, rules or filter it thru their teachings.
    I would never sit in the back of the kingdom hall like I see some of those people doing. I would always go talk to them and speak to them. Some sisters would object to what I was doing and I would say the Bible does not tell me not to talk to people coming to the kingdom hall. The elders never said a word to me.
    Whenever men set themselves up as leaders they invite you to look in their lives and there will be secrets, shameful and deceitful things.
    So let me get this straight. Are you saying you understand from reading the Bible by yourself?

  169. Marjo says:

    Each time I read letters Paul has written it is getting me more and more clear. It is like when you read one verse then you get the AHA….this what it means thing. When you read similar verse from other letter then it is getting even more clear.

    Like I just saw few shunning videos and one said that person who wants to go back to JW has to sit back in the hall. Is that Biblical teaching? No. What Paul was saying is that you have to forgive the sinner if they regret 2 Corinthians 2: 5-11. Not like Witnesses do, they are watching you like a hawk that are you really obeying their rules. This could take even years. Bible doesn’t teach this one either, when there is something to forgive you forgive now not after million years. Of course it depends of a case.

    This verse is showing how GB is doing everything opposite.
    2 Corinthians 4:2 Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful things, not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone’s conscience by an open display of the truth.

    GB has secret and shameful things, they do act deceitfully and distorting the word of God.

  170. jacqueline says:

    Rena, Jesus said he hated the teaching of the Nico- laitan, clergy laity class structure also. I listen to many voices also and learn. I realize it wasn’t true that other Christians didn’t have deep knowledge of truths. Some of them are gifted by the spirit in different aspects. Some dwell on prophetic issues others on archeology proofs and other aspects that when we put it all together it makes the Bible stand out as truthfully the word of God. No one has all truth now but we all will when Christ comes again as he says with striking observance not invisibly to just a few. He never ever spoke of an invisible presence parousia also means coming as most of Christianity knows. Next 70 years 66 books, no more of the last 70. Lol

  171. jacqueline says:

    I do understand what you are saying Ted. I told the brothers that Mcclintock and Strong were contemporaries and did so much for future generations also. The different men that you mentioned and all the Bible talked about a “great cloud of WITNESSES”. You and I are on the same page. Russel didn’t get any more understanding than you and I or others seeking with the Spirit. He is not the originator of any truth. “Your word is Truth” “I am the way the Truth and the light”. If he was the angel of Revelation surely Jesus would have conveyed it.
    But for one minute let’s say he is that angel of the laodicea cong. That cong was so indifferent that Jesus wants to spit them out of his mouth. They are good for nothing. Not refreshingly cold or stimulating hot like a nice bath!
    So really I wouldn’t put such a stigma on Russell or any of the evangelicals of that age, to get spit out of his mouth.
    Also I said but your angel is dead now so what effect does he have on you or me? The answer was that the message to the Laodiceans is the 6 volumes. I said that is not true. That message is stated in Revelation.
    To get down and question this, Rev 12: and where Jesus preached to the spirits in confinement, the answers about these texts have thrown me into a spiritual whirlwind as I realized nothing the Bible actually says is actually accepted. They had an explanation contrary to simply stated things in the Bible.
    In the 1950’s the watchtower talked about creature worship and saying other people vows over and over again. Now I had the opportunity to experience and sit beside the group they were talking about. I take this experience to finally drive me to Christ and not go out after those sects who says He has returned in the wilderness or look he is over there. What a teaching experience this has been as I went in deep for 8 years. So now I humbly say “Jesus, please take the wheel”. I am so glad we can speak freely here. I welcome our fellowship as we are still victims of a Concept and not healed but at least it is scabbed over and we press on. I am enjoying the scriptures only meeting that Dave thought up.
    PS: Not meaning to put Russell down but he is just a man with infirmities like all of us and he and his wife and others wrote studies in the scriptures on what they understood at the time. We today over a century later have the internet and planes to check out faster information and add to, reject or agree with those gone in death before us. Hope to meet them some day.

  172. Ted R says:

    I understand where you are coming from Sr Jacqueline. I don’t disagree, we are not following a man, only Christ. I thought it was interesting the comments made by br Senior that we should not be following Russell. I agree with that. I also agree that many of this Bible Students put too much emphasis on Russell. There are some things that Russell taught that is Scipturally correct. I think sometimes we get so rapped up in doctrine that we fail to realize there is room for differing views. That’s why we have so much division in Christianity. No one, not the Bible Students, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Baptist’s, or any other religion has a completely accurate understanding of the whole Bible. It is only when we dogmatically insist that others agree with us as having the only truth that we go beyond our Christian love and downgrade others. I think we are on the same page. I respect br Russell but I also have a great deal of respect for Martin Luther King, and Billy Graham as well as others who have had a great deal of success promoting Christ. I don,t necessarily agree with all they say but I do look at what is said and if it agrees with plain Bible Truth I can go along with it. That’s why I don’t throw out everything Russell taught. I don’t even throw out everythingJW,s teach, even though it harder to sift out truth from all their falsehood. Like you, my only guide is the Bible. As long as something is proven to me from Scripture I go along with it. Like you I don’t agree that any man.is the Faithful Servant or special messenger. I do agree with Ransom for all, Bible Hell,being the grave, the restoration of the Jews prophecies,and many core teachings of not only Russell but other Bible Scholars. Not because a man taught it but because it has been proven from the Bible. I am not dogmatic however and if I can be shown from Scripture that my view is incorrect I am always ready to listen. The biggest mark of a true follower of Christ is love. None of us should put down others for not following any mans teaching. Like you that’s my problem with JWs, Bible Students, or other religions claiming to have the only truth. My only master and teacher is Christ and my only guide is the Bible.

  173. Marjo says:

    I have chosen my side and that is to follow Yeshua not men made religion. I don’t want to be rude to anyone, but that is how it is. I think everyone of us know in our hearts which is the road we choose to walk. Do we hear Yeshuas voice and follow him, or do we hear a voice group of men made religion and follow them?

    As Yeshua said:
    John 10: 27
    My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.

  174. Rena Luecking says:

    Jacqueline…….I have found in my spiritual walk that I can learn a little something from everybody. Love IS the key. And love is gentle. People are not attracted to harshness. It activates their “flight or fight” mechanisms and postpones spiritual growth. I am convinced the bible does not teach a clergy/laity division, that there is no such thing as apostolic succession, and that if anyone (who claims to be Christian) flat out contradicts Jesus or his ordained apostles, they have apostatized the Christian faith. This would constitute speaking abusively of “glorious ones” and not trembling at their word. 2 Peter 2:10 Trembling at “their” word is a emotional response in the brain that is legitimate and necessary for us to grow as sons and daughters of Jehovah God. If we do not tremble at the thought of apostasy of the Christian faith we are in real danger of ship wrecking our that faith. JUST STAY SWEET AND GOOD and let God sort us all out.

  175. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I know Ronald and he has bought into the “New” made up history about Russell.
    The bible speaks against the worship of angels.(no internet have a small phone, need to insert scripture later).
    The worship of the angel of the Laodicean Cong is against the Bible.
    The Bible says the remembrance of the dead is forgotten, there is no more works.
    Yet the Bible Students glorify a dead man and actually from what I have seen it is WORSHIP. I refuse to use studies in the scriptures because it is held higher than the Bible. In fact elders from my Chicago class said all comments on the friendsofJehovahswitnesses.com made by a Bible Student must agree with the prophectic doctrine and basic doctrine taught by Br. Russell. I made the case on phone conversations that we should agree with the Bible! I was told no, agree with Russell. I was later sent an email with bold type reiterating this point. I was called again by an elder in the Chicago class and it was made clear again in bold terms. I refused to submit and advised I would not do ancestral worship or worship the dead or angels.
    I was sent another email in bold type to let me and any commenting on the Fojw site to not engage in conversation on that site either to prove or disapprove that Charles taze Russell is the seventh angel mentioned in Revelation nor that he is or isn’t the faithful slave of Matt. 25.
    I passed all those emails on to you brothers as proof.
    In one conversation I was actually on a BBB meeting and 2 brothers heard the entire tirade on speaker phone. I forgot I had opened the BBB and brothers were coming on for a training session. They heard everything.
    I have attended more conventions and Bible Student meetings than anyone on here and Br. Russell is mentioned as authority more times than the Jehovah witnesses has ever mentioned the governing body.
    The worship of Russell is a cult like adoration and can get scary when you hear them disputing over what he said, did not say and changed in later reprints.
    As for the man himself he allowed this worship to start before his death. He died disgraced because of the 1914. Debacle. Also the adultery trial between him and his wife over a servant and Anne Ball.
    I will put the full trial link on here later. No internet and appointments today.
    Also you can find what the servant traveling with him said about his putting on his robe etc before his death.
    The man wanted to be a God and Rutherford and others saw it and fought him.
    My brothers check the internet and don’t believe this made up history of Charles Taze Russell.
    I no longer associate with the Bible Students because they are redheaded cousins to the watchtower society and in many ways worse.
    Disagree with them and see the fury.
    TedR I am going straight to Jesus as the one I follow and straight to the Bible and am destroying all Charles taze Russell literature.
    Russell is the founder of Jehovah witnesses, Bible Students, Laymen, Chistadelphians etc.
    Those men are trying to rewrite history but the internet published it before they could.
    Get some coffee and find the entire court trial for yourself to question the morals and why the “vow into the Lord” is said beginning every meeting in the world of the Bible Students. You don’t play around with a vow to God.It mocks Jehovah for them to repeat a vow of a dead man who is trying to say I was just guilty of licking myself in the room alone with a woman all night, that’s not adultery. And men today perpetuate that man’s rantings aimed at his wife who caught him.

  176. Marjo says:

    Hello Ted!
    I also have been thinking when Russell began to preach he certainly did not want humans to follow him but Jesus. I think that is what he wanted Watchtower to be. Now these days GB is making its members to follow GB not Jesus. I wonder what Russell himself would say if he would be alive and see what happened after he died. We can not blame Russell for things which was made after his death. I think he was honest man who wanted to believe in God and Jesus.

  177. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    I was reading a Facebook article by Ronald Day Senior. He is refuting another article with misconceptions regarding Russell. He states:
    The author refers to the Bible Students as “the true followers of Russell” as opposed to “Jehovah’s Witnesses.” It is good that there is a distinction made, but the distinction is blurred in the surrounding paragraphs. However, the expression “true followers of Russell” could be very misleading. If one is a follower of Russell in the sense of being wholly devoted to Russell, that person is in a self-contradiction, since Russell preached that one should only be wholly devoted to God. In various social networks on the internet one can “follow” other members; one receives the posts and information from other such members. In this sense, following a fellow member does not mean agreeing with everything the fellow member posts, but simply keeping up with what that member is posting. One should follow members of body of Christ in some respects, and that includes Brother Russell. But to follow Brother Russell in the same way as one is to be a follower of Christ would be a self-contradiction, since Russell preached that one should be a follower of Christ. Some Bible Students on a very few occasions have spoken of the Bible Students as “Pastor Russell’s followers.” I believe this should not be done, since it is misleading.
    I totally agree with this statement. However some Bible Students seem to disagree since in practice many have put Pastor Russell on a pedestal, making his word the prime authority. I personally have no disrespect for Pastor Russell, in fact I highly respect him. He was undoubtedly a very good person in his day and very sincere in what he taught. But historic events and an independent study of the Bible have shown Pastor Russell to be in error on some matters. That’s OK, even he admitted that others may offer new light on the Scriptures. That is why we should never blindly follow any man. We are Bible students, not Russellites! Russell never dogmatically insisted that all believe as he did. If we in our studies of Scripture come to different conclusions, that to me is OK! No one, as I have stated in other posts, has the complete truth when it comes to doctrine. Many Scriptures can be interpreted in different ways. We should never put down anyone for disagreeing with our view. At the same time we should never overlook doctrines that are obviously against Bible teachings and are harmful to others; ie: No Blood, Two Witness Rule, Shunning! When Christ has returned, the truth will be finally be made known in all the earth. Until then let all who want to follow Christ show the LOVE that Christ taught would reveal his true followers.

  178. Greg says:

    I like that verse very much. Thanks for sharing it here, Marjo.

  179. Marjo says:

    I find this Bible verse very encouraging:

    Hebrews 9: 28
    so also Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

    So lets keep that in our minds, every day during every struggle.

  180. Marjo says:

    Yeah same was when Romans were after Yeshua followers. If they didn’t worship in their way they had to be killed. Hitler was the same kind of. It is interesting how history is repeating itself.

  181. Jacqueline says:

    Thanks for this Marjo. Even Church ministers say s it is a mystery, the trinity doctrine. I always encourage people to read the history of the church down through the ages. There they will see when the doctrine was made and introduced. The Unitarian religion fought and won in court the right to not believe in the trinity. The Catholic church would burn you at the stake before then if you denied the trinity. Happily most on this site don’t have a belief in the long debated trinity.

  182. Marjo says:

    When I was a baby I was baptized as child to Lutheran church. Where I am no longer a member, because I left there when I became Jehovah Witness. Now I am not Jehovah Witness either. I am a just follower of Christ. Lutheran church is teaching Trinity so here are my thoughts about Holy Spirit how I see it in the Bible. I do appreciate honest opinions if someone has other thoughts to share 🙂

    Most churches teach that there are three persons in God. God, Holy Spirit and Jesus. When they say that have they seen God? no. What Holy Spirit really is? God said to Moses: You cannot see my face, for humans cannot see me and live (Exodus 33:20).

    So how can Lutheran church say that God has three persons? In Trinity they teach that God has all three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Here is one verse they use to support their doctrine Galatians 13: 13.

    What is spirit?

    We have to realize what spirit is. Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    When everything was created power was in God’s words. Whatever He is saying it will happen. Spirit of God, so how does that make it in two different persons?

    Spirit is His eternal living soul which is making Him immortal. Like us humans we have spirit also, but we are not immortal. God’s word made it to happen, because Adam and Eve didn’t obey His rules. All the power is in God’s words.

    In 2 Corinthians 3: 3 You show that you are Christ’s letter delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God – not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    Again Spirit of the living God, it does not say the Spirit and the living God no. Because God’s Spirit is not a person. God IS the Spirit. Let me ask you another question, how would God live if His Spirit would be separated?

    Jesus who is image of God and God’s Son. Colossians 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    How there would be three persons in God, if there was just one God in the beginning and Jesus was created after? If you believe in Trinity It is good to think this kind of questions.

  183. Marjo says:

    That’s what I’ve also thought that He has been tested us to be even more stronger when there is struggles. When we follow Christ that road isn’t easy. Satan is mining our path with struggles all the time. When we see it is not good to step on it. You just have to clear all the mines Satan has set on our path.

  184. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, everyone has a story of neglect by the so-called “elders”. They are trained by the organization to be harsh. If they didn’t send them to elder’s school they would use their God-given conscience and built-in empathy for a young girl with a DisFellowshipped mother.
    I think it was allowed by Jehovah to send you through that journey so you could raise your family without all the field service and stuff. Now you escaped and can go directly to Jehovah without filtering everything through the religious doctrine made up by men. Some of their doctrines align with the Bible but now you can question them without fear.
    Expressing on paper is a way to heal from Spiritual abuse and the “pen is mightier than the sword”. Others can benefit from the sharing on here.
    I never grew up under a governing body but spent part of my adult life under them. At first, I didn’t know such a monster existed but when I realized a few men were writing their definition of what God was saying and you had to accept it without question, I looked for the door.

  185. Marjo says:

    Denise I have no sisters I only have 4 brothers. I grew up at countryside. To the town there was about 30km long drive. I didn’t have easy childhood either. My father was an alcoholic and he also was smoking. When I was little he did that inside the house, he didn’t care much of what others thought.

    His thought was that “I built the house so there is my rules”. Worst habits when he was drunk was that he made phone calls in the middle of night. My brothers seemed to be more important him, I was just like I wasn’t there. Of course I had a mother still have, but she was often in her own thoughts. I basically had to learn myself how to live life. I’m glad we were living near the forests because that’s where I spent most of my time by building tree houses lol.

    I don’t blame my mother, I know she had difficult time with alcoholist. I have good relationship with her, but my father he has drove everyone out of his life. Now he is living alone in HIS house. He has a lot of sickness. He is turning 70’s in 2020. Bottle seems to be more important to him these days. Even tho he can be annoying, but he has also been talking about God. I told him that you don’t have to belong to any religion to serve Him. Even tho he hasn’t been nice to me, he still is my father.

    My husband he has lots of sisters. This sister I was talking about is his stepsister. She has had her very bad childhood trauma, and I think there is the reason why she did that thing to us. She hasn’t treat that trauma well enough.

  186. jacqueline says:

    Denise thank you so much. One of my sons is coming tomorrow with my granddaughter. I will love the ones God sends to me. My daughter in law has a heart and promises I will get them for the next break for a week. I have always put the love of my children first and I know the teaching and indoctrination methods of the governing body has some demonic help. So they grew up under satan inspired worship and it will be difficult for them but hopefully, this fourth generation from the inception of this religion will be able to break free. Seeing that their grandparents broke free.
    You know it takes 4 generations for a curse or set pattern of behavior to be broken. I will leave my other children notes at my death releases them from grief as I am sure before they die they will realize they are captives of a concept of a religion based on constantly predicting dates for God to correct things. Each generation of men comes along and predict yet another date. Been going on since Miller in 1843 onward. Hogwash!
    Hope you are cooking some Turkey with a duck inside it and another fowl inside of that one, it is good.

  187. Denise says:

    Marjo, this is Denise, I have four very toxic, hateful sisters. My eldest threatened to call cps on me because she was mad. I was raised in a jw family, by a very narcissistic father. My eldest sister is narcissistic and three of my sisters are mentally and verbally abusive, like my father, to me. My sisters have always been put on a pedestal, and i am the scapegoat. My mom just takes on their views and opinions as she does not think for herself. Watchtower taught her not to think. I can say i am so sorry about your sister trying to ruin your life. It is because you are doing something right. The pain is always worse when family is involved. Take care.

  188. Denise says:

    Jacqueline, i am so sorry your family treated you so horribly. I wish you were my mom or grandma. I would be there with my kids eating all of your wonderful food that you cooked with love. You are a wonderful person and i know satan uses family to tear us at our core. Take care and i hope you enjoy quality time with the family you will see. 🙂

  189. jacqueline says:

    https://askjacqueline.life/line-up-of-conference-calls-on-bbb/
    This is instructions for use. I will open up the BBB for you. We have a video on how how to operate for moderators and tutoring. I will send it to you via email.
    We post when we are in BBB because others are using it also. I will email you later today.

  190. Marjo says:

    They have to accept camera options in the left upper corner of the browser if they use chrome. When they first login it is asking you to allow to use the camera on this site. Then they have to choose the webcam they are using in the list. Then they can choose the webcam from BBB site list.

  191. Jacqueline says:

    What a great idea. This video can be paused and explanation. Marjo, only a mother or father with children would think like that. Every person has a different aspect. You are GOOD at this. I was discussing how you studied the Bible alone for this year with God, Jesus and his Holy Spirit as you went thru a trial of fire. Seasoned Christians don’t think alone or in a small group will yield understanding. This sort of confused me, when I see what you have done.
    I still just love your little children sticking their heads in the screen. It warms the heart. We have got to figure out Yuna and Denise problem with their camera.

  192. Marjo says:

    Ok I’ll think about it what to add on this.

    That’s when I thought that while watching video it is good to take Bible and pause the video in certain place. Then discuss about something that they are not telling in the video. It is also good to show children where in the Bible this story is.

  193. jacqueline says:

    I listened to just a bit of it and it is intense also it doesn’t give enough reason for why he destroyed the earth. Noah says God is merciful but it doesn’t seem that way if he is destroying people without explaining a little more. It doesn’t say the people were curious as he built the ark because Methuselah name meant that “when he dies the flood will come”. So they knew for a really long time that there would be a flood and Enoch told them when He named his son.

    This is just an example of the need to be very accurate when teaching children, so I suggest a parent make sure because children can understand. I like telling them about the Goodness of God until a certain age when they began asking questions. Otherwise, they have a warped view of God.
    Just a critique of this particular video.
    Bible students on the fojw page have a section to the extreme right and the “My book of Bible Stories” can be modified to teach. The jw.org website new videos can however be disturbing and intense.
    But also children need to hear different speaking styles. We had some stories marked for our children to skip and they skipped some themselves in the My book of Bible Stories.

  194. jacqueline says:

    Marjo send it to and me in Email and I will formulate it add a photo and post it on your front page. Just tell me what you want on it. Remember it is a permanent page that does not change. The comments are fluid, they keep things rolling on a subject or a new subject.

  195. Marjo says:

    I found Bible tales from youtube, one from Noah’s ark. I watched it and it was great. They really have thought that it is not too scary for children.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAsfOcGjgoM

    I have tried to learn how to write on this my front page, but I haven’t found it yet.

  196. Marjo says:

    It is sad how they dare to use small children like that. I’m sure that those kids are thinking of you every moment but won’t tell about it to their parents lol. When they grow up I hope they will begin to follow Yeshua instead of GB. Yeshua has seen your situation. I have done a lot of cleaning today. Then my husband brought few phones that weren’t working properly and I began to fix them. There is a store here where he gets some phones which are not working properly. I was testing them with my sim card and then I drop it and lost it somewhere lol. I couldn’t find it anymore so I had to order new one. But I got phones fixed. Other one didn’t accept sim card and other one had battery dead. Another small hobby I have I fix computers too. Learned that skill from my husband, but then I began to learn more from youtube. Then I sew clothes when I can, and my main profession is chef. That’s what I did before leaving maternity leave.

  197. jacqueline says:

    Did you notice I got it so you post immediately? Now conversations can go on in real time. I have been painting and cleaning but learned I won’t get the visitors I expected but I will get one son and his daughter. My sister in laws and their elder husbands are stepping in to enforce my children not to come to my house nor let me see my grandchildren but I don’t have to see them this week. I will just ignore them, they are abusive and bold elders and it is best to just let them knock themselves out. I just laugh. if I leave this world early I plan to leave my 2 sons letters. I will not, however, reward their abuse to me by obedience to these men in New York that couldn’t care less about them and their little families. They will hopefully be around when this cult is revealed but I want them to know I don’t hold any hard feelings against them. They are ‘captives of a concept’ of men being the faithful slave and Christ working through them. I sort of expected persons to interfere in my family plans, last holiday I spent hundreds of dollars on food and cooked all day and no one showed or called to say they weren’t coming. My daughter in law was devastated but was outnumbered and overwhelmed. she is a very nice person but it is my son. One son and granddaughter did show however so io enjoyed them.
    I have decided to never buy food or cook anymore unless they say they are actually on the road. I guess I will get some sleep now it has been an emotional day.

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  198. jacqueline says:

    Denise, I confused you with another dear sister that I was texting with today while i dealt with the phone company and was painting. it is after 1 am so I guess I got to text her when everybody awake. lol

  199. Marjo says:

    When you have difficult time, Yahweh does help you. You just have to rely on that. When we had to meet Social workers which my husbands sister caused us by purpose with her lies. Someone sent us nameless letter with some money in it. I never asked that money from Yahweh, but He sent that anyway. It is because He saw that our situation caused by his sister that was based on lies. Yahweh will see what we need and He will give it to us 🙂

  200. Denise says:

    Jacqueline, i had my oldest daughter when i was 17 and married soon after. I really dont have education past high school. I had relied on my husband to support me and my children financially. Now that he is gone i feel lost on how to support us. I have made it a matter of prayer. Hopefully something will become obvious and ill know what i am supposed to do. Thanks for your helpfulness:)

  201. jacqueline says:

    Denise what a day it has been for me. I enjoyed our brief texting this morning and I love your positive attitude about getting on with your life. LLC vs Corporation. I chose to incorporate because the risk was there because of my industry and people touching people and I had a big company. So thinking of your financial welfare is just a normal, natural encouraging response, glad to see you thinking about finishing your education or just get certified with what you have in degrees already.
    I am not much help in that area because I am retired now and brain cells have probably forgotten how I did what I did with touring for those years with entertainers and running a company. This is the company I still run now from home. I place people at events http://www.stressbustersinc.org maybe go look at the model and it can give you an idea on how to build a mobile company.
    I have about 2 more hours of painting and I am done. Family will arrive Friday so I will just enjoy them.

  202. Marjo says:

    I agree with Jacqueline. It is good to heal wounds first. It might not happen right away, it might take weeks, months or even years to heal about thing like that. When someone has hurt you badly it is not a small thing at all, but you can be healed by God’s Holy Spirit to help you walk through of this. Our experiences are not often pleasant, but it is good to think it in that way you will be much much stronger after this battle when you have won it. God is always there for you and is always ready to listen what you have to say to Him. You can win this battle.

  203. Denise says:

    Thank you Jacqueline. I listened to some of joel this morning with coffee. I appreciate all of your suggestions. 🙂

  204. jacqueline says:

    I had on my Bluetooth so I didn’t look at it as it played numerous ones. The man will have you praising God and being glad to be alive. He tells you about all the times God helped people when they thought he wasn’t there. He pulls out the positive things in life and show you how you can be happy within yourself. Pick any sermon that he has and you will be uplifted. Now you can take that to the bank and cash it.lol
    Then you can listen to David Jeremiah another loving man who gets in that Bible. Is he a prophecy preacher? No. He is just simply what God clearly says in the Bible. Right now you don’t need to be pulled into another religious system. You need friends to help you walk thru this and God has put these men out there according to Daniel the knowledge moves fast over the internet, so don’t worry like Daniel did. They and we are here to help until you stand on your own two feet and take on wings and run!Remember make EVERYTHING A MATTER OF PRAYER TO OUR GOD OF ALL EXISTING THINGS.

  205. Denise says:

    Jacqueline which Joel Osteen sermon did you listen to?

  206. Marjo says:

    Jacqueline when you mentioned sound records, maybe we could make the ones that are not too horrible for children ears as jw.rg has. I personally think that things like Armageddon and other things that are not good to hear under 18 years old I think. When children are children they need to learn basics only as Bible say milk.

  207. jacqueline says:

    Denise, I just listened to a sermon by Joel Osteen tonight as I am still painting and cleaning, and thought how you would be encouraged.
    You may have noticed we are here to help you get thru distress in your life and just like there are different doctors for special illnesses, God has allowed Ministers to specialize. The ones we have been associated with deals a lot with prophecy and the preeminence of the 144,000. We don’t push agendas here but point you to those and any material that helps you. There is something on here for everybody. Greg is writing and publishing daily almost. So I thought I would explain the difference in this website and those run by a particular denomination. We just point you to Christ wherever the Truth you need to hear is.
    Repeat”and this too shall pass”, for God says he will never forsake you and Jehovah God Does Not Lie Ever.Pray with your babies and all of you listen to some bible stories. My book of bible stories on tape is good but the stories on jw.org can be scary and too intense for children. Take care

  208. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, Denise and Una, what a marvelous cultural opportunity for your children to be able to say hello to each other with you in the room. Often our children are affected when you leave a religion. I think there is at least 11 among all three of you. I am just saying use this network for your benefit. Say when you have booked it and it is yours.
    Marjo, I have to give you admin privilege to be able to open the room and practice the layouts and how to post notes and stuff so I will email you.

  209. denise says:

    thank you Marjo and Jackueline. I enjoyed seeing your beautiful children Marjo. I am curious as to why my camera would not work as it was on. Hopefully next time.

  210. Marjo says:

    I enjoyed that too, it was very pleasant moment. My family does know what I’m doing on this site. It was very nice to talk with you Denise 🙂 I could arrange some time in a week so I could speak with you often when ever I can 🙂 Take care of yourself

  211. jacqueline says:

    Denise this is a link to the bottom of each page where you will find some of the videos I mentioned.
    They are from many perspectives, not just a denomination but the Bible.
    Go here or at the bottom of every page.

    https://askjacqueline.life/#
    Don’t buy any books etc. But you can go on YouTube and look up each of their names for more study. Now Joel Osteen is a prosperity preacher. If you want to get in an uplifted mood and praise nothing but God, he will take you there.
    David Jeremiah is another good one. All of these men have a different aspect of Scripture.
    There is to me no such thing as “We got the Truth”. There is truth and error in all of the Christian religions including all I have been associated with. They often just make up phrases unique to them and not even in the Bible and make a doctrine even off one scripture.
    So you choose what you want to hear at each point in your life. Love you.

  212. jacqueline says:

    Marjo and Denise, I enjoyed Marjo’s first “Small talk and Stuff”. It was 7 pm Finland’s time, 11 am Chicago (CST) and 9 am (MT).
    We saw and got to met Marjo’s children and baby. We also saw a husband in the background, he thought he was invisible but we saw.
    Denise, I will tell our technical director Kent what your problem was with the camera and let him come on and tell you what to do. That way Marjo and your children can see each other from Finland to California. Una children will be able to come on and meet them also. I enjoyed this so much. Greg probably will tell us about the “Man to Man” session last night, waiting on it.

  213. jacqueline says:

    So I will open up for you guys and walk away. I am CST, Chicago Marjo. So I will find my time and open up 30min before you are due so you can get in.
    So Marjo it is 12 noon my time and I will open up about 11:30 am

  214. Marjo says:

    7 pm is fine for me, I will talk with you then 🙂

  215. Denise says:

    Ok marjo, is 7 pm your time ok? Or do you prefer earlier?

  216. Marjo says:

    Denise Sunday would be great 🙂

  217. Denise says:

    Hi marjo, this is denise. So you are about 10 hours ahead of me. Maybe if it works out we can talk sunday? 8 or 9 am here should make it 6 or 7pm where you are. If this weekend doesnt work maybe next. 🙂

  218. Marjo says:

    Hello Denise

    Weekends are better for me. In a week there is so much things to do. Im 8 hours ahead of Chicago time. Im still learning time difference. Before I said mistakenly 7 hours. I use World clock widget app to see the time.

  219. denise says:

    Hello Marjo, Jackueline said we need to talk :). My name is denise. ive been on under a different name, but had to change it. I read your story. I think I need to tell you mine. I just need someone to talk to. I live in California and can come on the BBB when it is good for you.

  220. Marjo says:

    Thank you! I will watch it when I can

  221. jacqueline says:

    Marjo this is how to watch Leah Remini online. https://heavy.com/entertainment/2018/11/watch-leah-remini-scientology-jehovahs-witnesses-online/
    This is the entire show from last night.

  222. Marjo says:

    I will see if I can find english version of it. They will vote about it in the summer.

  223. jacqueline says:

    Wow Marjo, I wasn’t aware of this. Do you have a link on an article so we can read it?

  224. Marjo says:

    World Wide Web is making me worried today. EU is trying to get fast through their new law about copyright. It could mean that EU countries could not watch Youtube or use sites like this one. Shutting down popular sites like WordPress. EU is totally trying to isolate its countries from other world. It makes me thinking that I could probably not use this site when their new law is accepted and stamped. There is no more freedom of speech in EU.

  225. jacqueline says:

    Thanks, I downloaded a widget called “whitelist”. As we go the program will start recognizing all of the emails. I need to fine tune but at least the widget is there.
    Thursday 6pm-10pm CST- Chicago and Saturday 6pm-12pm CST- Chicago the BBB is taken. So you figure out a time for your part of the globe and request the hours and that will be yours. I think after the A&E show is put on the internet after tonight there will be all sorts of people wanting to just talk. Also, your Life’s small struggles forum can be any person or religion. We can talk about recipes or sewing even, lol.
    The thing that makes a website work is a diversity, and believe it or not controversy. We tracked on the fojw site when we had the highest count and when they checked and bounced. An activity of any kind makes a website interesting and they will pick up some spiritual chatter on the way as they see we realize Jesus died for us ALL.
    When you send your stuff and book a day and time, only if you want to, we can get started. Take care.

  226. Marjo says:

    No it showed up right away, but it was in moderation.

  227. jacqueline says:

    Instead of answering emails sometimes I will just do what it asks. Did you have to wait before your comment appeared? I am working on that problem. You send your material to me via email and I will configure and post it.

  228. Marjo Puisto says:

    Thank you 😊
    I will begin to think my first article.

  229. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I will wait for your Bio and article. This is your page because sometimes there is just small talk.
    I think we need a daytime show on the BBB where your side of the world is not getting up at 2 am. So Finland and that time zone might have some that want to talk also and you can post on some of your time zone facebook pages and let’s see what happens.

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