Small Talk & Stuff with Marjo

Meet Marjo from Finland 

A little bit of her life and journey below.

Go here for more of her story :

https://askjacqueline.life/staying-strong-amidst-difficulties/

Ladies Talking

Hello and Welcome!

My name is Marjo and I am married and we have 3 children together.

I am from Finland and my native language is Finnish.

I was baptized in 2002 and I left from Jehovah Witnesses in 2008.

The reason why I left was that I didn't get support from the congregation when it was needed.

My mother was also a Witness, but she left first. I was very alone in those moments.

When the elder told me that my mother is no longer a Witness

I began to cry. That was the only moment when someone was there for me.

No one ever asked me after that how I was, or have I got over this. 

Not even elders didn't come to see me and ask how I was doing after this. 

That is when I began to fade away. Then I met my husband in the same job. 

Then leaving from Witnesses was easy. 

Then I just e-mailed to one elder that I don't want to be a Witness anymore. 

There is little of my history from Witness times. I also couldn't stand that dress code.

Now I follow Yeshua only and read the Bible.

I love different cultures and languages. So it is nice to meet new people from all over the world.

Maybe we can learn something from each other 🙂

82 Responses to Small Talk & Stuff with Marjo

  1. Marjo says:

    Yeah we must be careful on the internet whatever we click or download. Anything can bring our computers spywares that changes link you have shared to something else. Thats why I was worried about the message because it showed different in my laptop for a moment. I can find the article again and post it here again and see what happens. I just want to say that nobody doesn’t think that I have something against Russians no. I have Russian friends too.

    Yes I have been talking with Sanura. She also is following Jesus only. People do need help to see that it is Jesus/Yeshua whom to follow. They don’t have to struggle for being shunned because not obeying organizations rules if you still follow Jehovah. That’s not Jesus was teaching. He told to follow him.

    Thank you for your kind words sis! I would accept your offer for babysitting my little one 🙂

  2. jacqueline says:

    Marjo your article showed fine on our site. It was a refreshing article. It might not resonate with co derivative religious views of having to have great knowledge but it showed the simple power of Christ. No doctrines to argue over just Jesus simple words changed him. If you want I can restore it.
    Also, I spoke to other admin on this site last week about Russia being blocked by the defense system. It also blocked China but finally let them in.
    On here some admin were blocked because they say their email were on a data breach list. The internet is great but brings other problems. Sanura told me about the new site. You are the Marjo she was speaking too aren’t you?
    We talked about the your genetic markers that causes your babies problems. They don’t talk about it much in the United States. Will your precious baby adapt as he grows older? They are finding new cures every day as the technology helps them. Hope you can get some rest. If I was in Finland near you I would babysit at night and let you get some sleep.😌😘

  3. Marjo says:

    Thank you!
    When I saw my post with pc it was showing me some sort of small commercials board on my message that were changing. They were in Russia. But with phone it was normal.

    Now I have installed windows again to my computer. I hope that problem is gone.

    We are all fine. My baby boy has kept me awake many nights for several hours. Last night it was from 10 pm to 10 am. Then I finally got some rest when he was sleeping too.

    Thats good to know that they left from Witnesses. I hope they will begin to follow Jesus only.

  4. jacqueline says:

    Hi Marjo, I have deleted the post but I think that is what that was about a gang member that went to Christ. Let me go now and read it. Be right back. I have been out to dinner and preparing for family that might come in from a funeral so I just saw your post sorry.

    Okay, I read the article and it is about a gang member changing his life. But I will keep it in trash Marjo.
    How are you and your family doing?
    I had the opportunity to talk to my niece about what her life has been like since she left the witnesses and her life is great. Her children are happier now and everyone will be home for the funeral.
    Life goes on.

  5. Marjo says:

    I apology for that previous junk post that got there. I surely did not post that there. If someone is reading this it can be deleted. I was suppose to send a link of a man who was gang member and began to follow Christ. I don’t know I might have to reinstall my computer if there is a hacker on my laptop.

  6. Marjo says:

    Now I had a thought about Christs blood. Adam did sin against God so his blood became unholy. So there was needed to be Holy blood (Blood of Christ) to purify that unholy blood. That Holy blood was Christ. That\’s why we need to purify ourselves with the cup and bread, till the day when Christ arrives. Am I even close to right thought?

  7. Marjo says:

    I was googling the topic online and found this site
    https://www.allaboutfollowingjesus.org/why-was-jesus-a-sacrifice-faq.htm

    Quote from that site:
    \”Jesus was a sacrifice because human beings sin against God\’s holiness. Sin must be and is punished. There is no exception to this rule. Anyone with unforgiven sin in his life faces the horrifying prospect of eternal separation from God. No forgiveness exists unless someone capable of forgiving our sins pays the penalty of shedding his blood. Hebrews 9:22 says, \”In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

    Jesus was a sacrifice because only His blood could roll backwards to the first sinner and forward to the last. Whatever temporary measure God used before Christ in history to secure forgiveness, He alone was eternally slain in God\’s mind as the perfect sacrifice for sin. That\’s why death exalted Jesus from being a mortal Jew, to being the universal Lord.

    Jesus was a sacrifice because – when God tore the veil in two from top to bottom when Jesus died – it meant that Christ\’s death opened an unobstructed way to God (Matthew 27:51). Before, only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies (only once a year), and never without blood to cover his personal and national sins. Hebrews 9:7 says, \”But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.\”

    Jesus was a sacrifice because God honored it alone – of all the sacrifices ever offered – with the victory of bodily resurrection. That single success illuminated the cross as an object of pleasure for us and victory for Christ. That\’s why Paul noted that Christ\’s death made a spectacle of all opposition to God (Colossians 2:15). The Roman conquest of Antonia fortress in late July, A.D. 70, and the entire city a month later, eliminating the daily sacrifice, made no difference whatever to God\’s will. No further sacrifice was needed. Christ\’s own perfect sacrifice forty years before not only eliminated the temple\’s relevance, but received God\’s imprimatur three days later.

    That\’s also why we need neither trust our righteousness, nor fear our sins. Christ\’s resurrection guaranteed our emancipation from sin while it obligated us to his grace. Since His sacrifice was all sufficient, there is nothing we can do to deserve it. Since His resurrection verified His sacrifice\’s sufficiency, there is NOTHING we won\’t do for Him in appreciation.\”

  8. jacqueline says:

    Greg, I do see the intriguing analogies that you mention. Also Isaac carried the wood on his back in symbol of Jesus carrying his cross on his back. Wood, again from a tree. Oh HE is deep but we have always dealt with things dealing with the “anointed” and took us away from all the many gems of the Bible.

  9. Marjo says:

    While reading these comments I had a moment of silence. It just feels great to think with a brain of your own while reading Bible. That’s why it is important to have others opinions too to see things which you might have not thought about. I have noticed that someone has one thought and someone has another, then like you said pieces find in their place.

  10. Greg says:

    Marjo’s scripture and expression got me pondering the following half-baked (and perhaps distracting or even completely erroneous) ideas:
    I suddenly found myself thinking that the Curse upon mankind came about due to eating fruitage from a tree. The trees in the Garden of Eden were meant for sustaining life and for providing many other necessities for life including knowledge and education. Eating something which grew on a tree was a proper way of sustaining one’s own life. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, while the fruit did provide a means for education, it also brought death, rather than life.
    Then Jesus comes and puts his human life, and his knowledge, and his trust in God back up on a tree (or cross– which would be the equivalent of a dead tree recycled or re-purposed) and by so doing, created an opportunity for the death curse to be put back on a tree. His “body” would thereby also became a life-giving nourishment (symbolized by Bread) for all of mankind to partake and thus symbolically “put back” the fruit that Eve took, but still retain the educational lesson learned.
    One more possible “connection” is that the Israelites were commanded to observe the passover by putting the sheep’s blood on their doorposts–wooden doorposts also coming from re-purposed dead trees.
    I’m not trying to make or suggest there are hidden meanings herein. I’m just playing with all the intriguing “lego” pieces and seeing how they can fit together. At the very least, I can see and appreciate God’s ingenuity in working with all the “lego” pieces he has created.

  11. Marjo says:

    Romans 5: 12 – 21 explained it very well too.

    18
    Therefore, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men.
    19
    For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
    20
    The Law was given so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
    21
    so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness, to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

  12. jacqueline says:

    Marjo my take is he was speaking to the Jews who were under a curse of the law in addition to our Adamic death. They died immediately for many things by stoning. He wasn’t addressing Adamic death consequences.
    The Jews had a difficult time understanding that their Christ, Delivered had come and they were no longer under the law code.
    The Bible clearly shows the person including Jesus is dead, nonexistent. No need for a Resurrection if they are still alive, just resuscitate them. I have found now that the Bible isn’t as symbolic as much as we thought. The witnesses had a view of the Jews that warped our understanding. Religions put a spin on scriptures when they are really very clear and mean what they say. I don’t know but it seems I understand when reading the Bible now since I have left organizations.
    HEB. 10:24,25, for instance, had nothing to do with Christian meeting attendance. It was admonishing the Jews not to keep going back under the law then coming back to Christ then going back under Judaism. Because they would not have a Savior if they went back under the law code.when Christians miss meetings they aren’t rejecting Christ and going under the law code. My take on the problem here.

  13. Marjo says:

    While writing these posters or could better naming be “postcard”. Now I am writing about: Yeshua sacrified Himself to set us free from the sin.
    I noticed a Bible verse that made me thinking death in totally another perspective.

    NLV
    Galatians 3: 13
    But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

    When Adam and Eve didn’t obey Gods rules curse of death came upon all human beings. When Christ died he became cursed. When he was woken up from the death in a third day, so he reverse the curse. I was thinking, does it mean that our soul does not die when our flesh body dies? I don’t remember that JW never teach that part of the Bible. When Christ revoke the curse. They were always teaching that soul dies too.

  14. Greg says:

    Marjo,
    I really enjoy several things about your expressions here:
    1) Excellent use of straightforward logic!
    2) Brief and clear. (Oh! how I wish I could be so precisely eloquent in so few words.)
    3) You used the word “find” in this sentence: “If we find these fruits in us…’ This fits perfectly with my understanding of the scripture about the fruits of the spirit. I have often had difficulty making it clear to my still-in Jehovah’s Witness friends that the fruitage of the spirit is something that grows when conditions are conducive. Too many of them seem to have accepted the erroneous belief that you can glue apples on any old tree and that what makes it an apple tree. But that only gives one a make-believe or pretend tree. I’ve long tried to argue that one must work at creating the proper healthy conditions for the tree (soil, light, warmth, water, etc.) and then the fruit will come all on it’s own. I think the word “find” captures that quite deliciously. Thank you!! (Compare 2 Tim 3:5 “For [although] they hold a form of piety (true religion), they deny and reject and are strangers to the power of it [their conduct belies the genuineness of their profession]” (AMPLIFIED BIBLE)

  15. Marjo says:

    Dear friend, lets think of this in other way. If we wouldn’t have Holy Spirit helping us around then how could we build fruits of the Holy Spirit in us?

    Galatians 5: 22, 23
    22
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
    23
    gentleness, and self-control. The law is not against such things.

    If we find these fruits in us, then we know Holy Spirit is in us. It is not easy to build fruits of Holy Spirit, but if we work hard we can finally do it. We just have to allow Holy Spirit to help us in this.

    Galatians 5: 24 – 26
    24
    Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    25
    If we live by the Spirit, let us also keep in step with the Spirit.
    26
    Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

    Like verse 25 said let us also keep in step with the Spirit
    Good night and take care

  16. Marjo says:

    Jacqueline some I do understand but there are things I dont understand yet. I noticed that Acts and Pauls letters are like walking hand in hand. While reading Acts you see Pauls journey. In the middle of that journey he wrote those letters. Then you can get more clear picture to your reading. I believe God will allow us to understand His Word when we are reading it. When we are joined to Christ and allowed him to our hearts we can ask Gods Holy Spirit to help our reading. Bible is saying that too. Not just holiest whom are suppose to be in heaven with Christ but other members in first church too.

  17. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I asked if you can understand the Bible with God’s help because I was recently told that the Holy Spirit doesn’t help individuals that way. That I needed to use books to tell me what the Bible says. But to trust God and believe Jesus words, “YOUR WORD IS TRUTH” I see now is frowned on by some Christians and organizations. I find it disturbing lately that some are discouraging actual Bible study alone. I know the witnesses forbid it without using their books to look up meanings but have found other associations do also in actuality.
    I love being able to just be on the phone of talk with a neighbor or other human now about God and not point them to books or magazines because we can actually use only the Bible.
    Jesus and early Christians down thru history had only Gods’ word directly and not books ABOUT God’ s word to study. I am finding it defines itself with at least 2 or 3 references. I do use other sources to get their thoughts and the internet but not doing a studious study of one work has proved to be a blessing for me. I thought I had freedom and liberty in Christ but now the mind really feels free as I turn straight to God. Strange happiness but I love it!

  18. Marjo says:

    Yes I do understand my reading. I didnt want to sound it like that way Im going back to that cult. When I was reading that it brought my mind how much it reminds of GB and secrets they have. Including books that are not members eyes to see. God has only one guide and that is the Bible.

  19. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I just got thru talking with Jeff who was reared in Catholic and then witnesse but studies with Wednesday studies.
    We are like you, understanding the Bible from reading it!.
    Marjo, it is Holy Spirit of God and He is pouriong it out on us. Organized religion is not for me. I understand God when I don’t use organized religion books, rules or filter it thru their teachings.
    I would never sit in the back of the kingdom hall like I see some of those people doing. I would always go talk to them and speak to them. Some sisters would object to what I was doing and I would say the Bible does not tell me not to talk to people coming to the kingdom hall. The elders never said a word to me.
    Whenever men set themselves up as leaders they invite you to look in their lives and there will be secrets, shameful and deceitful things.
    So let me get this straight. Are you saying you understand from reading the Bible by yourself?

  20. Marjo says:

    Each time I read letters Paul has written it is getting me more and more clear. It is like when you read one verse then you get the AHA….this what it means thing. When you read similar verse from other letter then it is getting even more clear.

    Like I just saw few shunning videos and one said that person who wants to go back to JW has to sit back in the hall. Is that Biblical teaching? No. What Paul was saying is that you have to forgive the sinner if they regret 2 Corinthians 2: 5-11. Not like Witnesses do, they are watching you like a hawk that are you really obeying their rules. This could take even years. Bible doesn’t teach this one either, when there is something to forgive you forgive now not after million years. Of course it depends of a case.

    This verse is showing how GB is doing everything opposite.
    2 Corinthians 4:2 Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful things, not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone’s conscience by an open display of the truth.

    GB has secret and shameful things, they do act deceitfully and distorting the word of God.

  21. jacqueline says:

    Rena, Jesus said he hated the teaching of the Nico- laitan, clergy laity class structure also. I listen to many voices also and learn. I realize it wasn’t true that other Christians didn’t have deep knowledge of truths. Some of them are gifted by the spirit in different aspects. Some dwell on prophetic issues others on archeology proofs and other aspects that when we put it all together it makes the Bible stand out as truthfully the word of God. No one has all truth now but we all will when Christ comes again as he says with striking observance not invisibly to just a few. He never ever spoke of an invisible presence parousia also means coming as most of Christianity knows. Next 70 years 66 books, no more of the last 70. Lol

  22. jacqueline says:

    I do understand what you are saying Ted. I told the brothers that Mcclintock and Strong were contemporaries and did so much for future generations also. The different men that you mentioned and all the Bible talked about a “great cloud of WITNESSES”. You and I are on the same page. Russel didn’t get any more understanding than you and I or others seeking with the Spirit. He is not the originator of any truth. “Your word is Truth” “I am the way the Truth and the light”. If he was the angel of Revelation surely Jesus would have conveyed it.
    But for one minute let’s say he is that angel of the laodicea cong. That cong was so indifferent that Jesus wants to spit them out of his mouth. They are good for nothing. Not refreshingly cold or stimulating hot like a nice bath!
    So really I wouldn’t put such a stigma on Russell or any of the evangelicals of that age, to get spit out of his mouth.
    Also I said but your angel is dead now so what effect does he have on you or me? The answer was that the message to the Laodiceans is the 6 volumes. I said that is not true. That message is stated in Revelation.
    To get down and question this, Rev 12: and where Jesus preached to the spirits in confinement, the answers about these texts have thrown me into a spiritual whirlwind as I realized nothing the Bible actually says is actually accepted. They had an explanation contrary to simply stated things in the Bible.
    In the 1950’s the watchtower talked about creature worship and saying other people vows over and over again. Now I had the opportunity to experience and sit beside the group they were talking about. I take this experience to finally drive me to Christ and not go out after those sects who says He has returned in the wilderness or look he is over there. What a teaching experience this has been as I went in deep for 8 years. So now I humbly say “Jesus, please take the wheel”. I am so glad we can speak freely here. I welcome our fellowship as we are still victims of a Concept and not healed but at least it is scabbed over and we press on. I am enjoying the scriptures only meeting that Dave thought up.
    PS: Not meaning to put Russell down but he is just a man with infirmities like all of us and he and his wife and others wrote studies in the scriptures on what they understood at the time. We today over a century later have the internet and planes to check out faster information and add to, reject or agree with those gone in death before us. Hope to meet them some day.

  23. Ted R says:

    I understand where you are coming from Sr Jacqueline. I don’t disagree, we are not following a man, only Christ. I thought it was interesting the comments made by br Senior that we should not be following Russell. I agree with that. I also agree that many of this Bible Students put too much emphasis on Russell. There are some things that Russell taught that is Scipturally correct. I think sometimes we get so rapped up in doctrine that we fail to realize there is room for differing views. That’s why we have so much division in Christianity. No one, not the Bible Students, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Baptist’s, or any other religion has a completely accurate understanding of the whole Bible. It is only when we dogmatically insist that others agree with us as having the only truth that we go beyond our Christian love and downgrade others. I think we are on the same page. I respect br Russell but I also have a great deal of respect for Martin Luther King, and Billy Graham as well as others who have had a great deal of success promoting Christ. I don,t necessarily agree with all they say but I do look at what is said and if it agrees with plain Bible Truth I can go along with it. That’s why I don’t throw out everything Russell taught. I don’t even throw out everythingJW,s teach, even though it harder to sift out truth from all their falsehood. Like you, my only guide is the Bible. As long as something is proven to me from Scripture I go along with it. Like you I don’t agree that any man.is the Faithful Servant or special messenger. I do agree with Ransom for all, Bible Hell,being the grave, the restoration of the Jews prophecies,and many core teachings of not only Russell but other Bible Scholars. Not because a man taught it but because it has been proven from the Bible. I am not dogmatic however and if I can be shown from Scripture that my view is incorrect I am always ready to listen. The biggest mark of a true follower of Christ is love. None of us should put down others for not following any mans teaching. Like you that’s my problem with JWs, Bible Students, or other religions claiming to have the only truth. My only master and teacher is Christ and my only guide is the Bible.

  24. Marjo says:

    I have chosen my side and that is to follow Yeshua not men made religion. I don’t want to be rude to anyone, but that is how it is. I think everyone of us know in our hearts which is the road we choose to walk. Do we hear Yeshuas voice and follow him, or do we hear a voice group of men made religion and follow them?

    As Yeshua said:
    John 10: 27
    My sheep hear my voice, I know them, and they follow me.

  25. Rena Luecking says:

    Jacqueline…….I have found in my spiritual walk that I can learn a little something from everybody. Love IS the key. And love is gentle. People are not attracted to harshness. It activates their “flight or fight” mechanisms and postpones spiritual growth. I am convinced the bible does not teach a clergy/laity division, that there is no such thing as apostolic succession, and that if anyone (who claims to be Christian) flat out contradicts Jesus or his ordained apostles, they have apostatized the Christian faith. This would constitute speaking abusively of “glorious ones” and not trembling at their word. 2 Peter 2:10 Trembling at “their” word is a emotional response in the brain that is legitimate and necessary for us to grow as sons and daughters of Jehovah God. If we do not tremble at the thought of apostasy of the Christian faith we are in real danger of ship wrecking our that faith. JUST STAY SWEET AND GOOD and let God sort us all out.

  26. jacqueline says:

    TedR, I know Ronald and he has bought into the “New” made up history about Russell.
    The bible speaks against the worship of angels.(no internet have a small phone, need to insert scripture later).
    The worship of the angel of the Laodicean Cong is against the Bible.
    The Bible says the remembrance of the dead is forgotten, there is no more works.
    Yet the Bible Students glorify a dead man and actually from what I have seen it is WORSHIP. I refuse to use studies in the scriptures because it is held higher than the Bible. In fact elders from my Chicago class said all comments on the friendsofJehovahswitnesses.com made by a Bible Student must agree with the prophectic doctrine and basic doctrine taught by Br. Russell. I made the case on phone conversations that we should agree with the Bible! I was told no, agree with Russell. I was later sent an email with bold type reiterating this point. I was called again by an elder in the Chicago class and it was made clear again in bold terms. I refused to submit and advised I would not do ancestral worship or worship the dead or angels.
    I was sent another email in bold type to let me and any commenting on the Fojw site to not engage in conversation on that site either to prove or disapprove that Charles taze Russell is the seventh angel mentioned in Revelation nor that he is or isn’t the faithful slave of Matt. 25.
    I passed all those emails on to you brothers as proof.
    In one conversation I was actually on a BBB meeting and 2 brothers heard the entire tirade on speaker phone. I forgot I had opened the BBB and brothers were coming on for a training session. They heard everything.
    I have attended more conventions and Bible Student meetings than anyone on here and Br. Russell is mentioned as authority more times than the Jehovah witnesses has ever mentioned the governing body.
    The worship of Russell is a cult like adoration and can get scary when you hear them disputing over what he said, did not say and changed in later reprints.
    As for the man himself he allowed this worship to start before his death. He died disgraced because of the 1914. Debacle. Also the adultery trial between him and his wife over a servant and Anne Ball.
    I will put the full trial link on here later. No internet and appointments today.
    Also you can find what the servant traveling with him said about his putting on his robe etc before his death.
    The man wanted to be a God and Rutherford and others saw it and fought him.
    My brothers check the internet and don’t believe this made up history of Charles Taze Russell.
    I no longer associate with the Bible Students because they are redheaded cousins to the watchtower society and in many ways worse.
    Disagree with them and see the fury.
    TedR I am going straight to Jesus as the one I follow and straight to the Bible and am destroying all Charles taze Russell literature.
    Russell is the founder of Jehovah witnesses, Bible Students, Laymen, Chistadelphians etc.
    Those men are trying to rewrite history but the internet published it before they could.
    Get some coffee and find the entire court trial for yourself to question the morals and why the “vow into the Lord” is said beginning every meeting in the world of the Bible Students. You don’t play around with a vow to God.It mocks Jehovah for them to repeat a vow of a dead man who is trying to say I was just guilty of licking myself in the room alone with a woman all night, that’s not adultery. And men today perpetuate that man’s rantings aimed at his wife who caught him.

  27. Marjo says:

    Hello Ted!
    I also have been thinking when Russell began to preach he certainly did not want humans to follow him but Jesus. I think that is what he wanted Watchtower to be. Now these days GB is making its members to follow GB not Jesus. I wonder what Russell himself would say if he would be alive and see what happened after he died. We can not blame Russell for things which was made after his death. I think he was honest man who wanted to believe in God and Jesus.

  28. Ted R. (Bible Student) says:

    I was reading a Facebook article by Ronald Day Senior. He is refuting another article with misconceptions regarding Russell. He states:
    The author refers to the Bible Students as “the true followers of Russell” as opposed to “Jehovah’s Witnesses.” It is good that there is a distinction made, but the distinction is blurred in the surrounding paragraphs. However, the expression “true followers of Russell” could be very misleading. If one is a follower of Russell in the sense of being wholly devoted to Russell, that person is in a self-contradiction, since Russell preached that one should only be wholly devoted to God. In various social networks on the internet one can “follow” other members; one receives the posts and information from other such members. In this sense, following a fellow member does not mean agreeing with everything the fellow member posts, but simply keeping up with what that member is posting. One should follow members of body of Christ in some respects, and that includes Brother Russell. But to follow Brother Russell in the same way as one is to be a follower of Christ would be a self-contradiction, since Russell preached that one should be a follower of Christ. Some Bible Students on a very few occasions have spoken of the Bible Students as “Pastor Russell’s followers.” I believe this should not be done, since it is misleading.
    I totally agree with this statement. However some Bible Students seem to disagree since in practice many have put Pastor Russell on a pedestal, making his word the prime authority. I personally have no disrespect for Pastor Russell, in fact I highly respect him. He was undoubtedly a very good person in his day and very sincere in what he taught. But historic events and an independent study of the Bible have shown Pastor Russell to be in error on some matters. That’s OK, even he admitted that others may offer new light on the Scriptures. That is why we should never blindly follow any man. We are Bible students, not Russellites! Russell never dogmatically insisted that all believe as he did. If we in our studies of Scripture come to different conclusions, that to me is OK! No one, as I have stated in other posts, has the complete truth when it comes to doctrine. Many Scriptures can be interpreted in different ways. We should never put down anyone for disagreeing with our view. At the same time we should never overlook doctrines that are obviously against Bible teachings and are harmful to others; ie: No Blood, Two Witness Rule, Shunning! When Christ has returned, the truth will be finally be made known in all the earth. Until then let all who want to follow Christ show the LOVE that Christ taught would reveal his true followers.

  29. Greg says:

    I like that verse very much. Thanks for sharing it here, Marjo.

  30. Marjo says:

    I find this Bible verse very encouraging:

    Hebrews 9: 28
    so also Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

    So lets keep that in our minds, every day during every struggle.

  31. Marjo says:

    Yeah same was when Romans were after Yeshua followers. If they didn’t worship in their way they had to be killed. Hitler was the same kind of. It is interesting how history is repeating itself.

  32. Jacqueline says:

    Thanks for this Marjo. Even Church ministers say s it is a mystery, the trinity doctrine. I always encourage people to read the history of the church down through the ages. There they will see when the doctrine was made and introduced. The Unitarian religion fought and won in court the right to not believe in the trinity. The Catholic church would burn you at the stake before then if you denied the trinity. Happily most on this site don’t have a belief in the long debated trinity.

  33. Marjo says:

    When I was a baby I was baptized as child to Lutheran church. Where I am no longer a member, because I left there when I became Jehovah Witness. Now I am not Jehovah Witness either. I am a just follower of Christ. Lutheran church is teaching Trinity so here are my thoughts about Holy Spirit how I see it in the Bible. I do appreciate honest opinions if someone has other thoughts to share 🙂

    Most churches teach that there are three persons in God. God, Holy Spirit and Jesus. When they say that have they seen God? no. What Holy Spirit really is? God said to Moses: You cannot see my face, for humans cannot see me and live (Exodus 33:20).

    So how can Lutheran church say that God has three persons? In Trinity they teach that God has all three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Here is one verse they use to support their doctrine Galatians 13: 13.

    What is spirit?

    We have to realize what spirit is. Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    When everything was created power was in God’s words. Whatever He is saying it will happen. Spirit of God, so how does that make it in two different persons?

    Spirit is His eternal living soul which is making Him immortal. Like us humans we have spirit also, but we are not immortal. God’s word made it to happen, because Adam and Eve didn’t obey His rules. All the power is in God’s words.

    In 2 Corinthians 3: 3 You show that you are Christ’s letter delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God – not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    Again Spirit of the living God, it does not say the Spirit and the living God no. Because God’s Spirit is not a person. God IS the Spirit. Let me ask you another question, how would God live if His Spirit would be separated?

    Jesus who is image of God and God’s Son. Colossians 1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    How there would be three persons in God, if there was just one God in the beginning and Jesus was created after? If you believe in Trinity It is good to think this kind of questions.

  34. Marjo says:

    That’s what I’ve also thought that He has been tested us to be even more stronger when there is struggles. When we follow Christ that road isn’t easy. Satan is mining our path with struggles all the time. When we see it is not good to step on it. You just have to clear all the mines Satan has set on our path.

  35. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, everyone has a story of neglect by the so-called “elders”. They are trained by the organization to be harsh. If they didn’t send them to elder’s school they would use their God-given conscience and built-in empathy for a young girl with a DisFellowshipped mother.
    I think it was allowed by Jehovah to send you through that journey so you could raise your family without all the field service and stuff. Now you escaped and can go directly to Jehovah without filtering everything through the religious doctrine made up by men. Some of their doctrines align with the Bible but now you can question them without fear.
    Expressing on paper is a way to heal from Spiritual abuse and the “pen is mightier than the sword”. Others can benefit from the sharing on here.
    I never grew up under a governing body but spent part of my adult life under them. At first, I didn’t know such a monster existed but when I realized a few men were writing their definition of what God was saying and you had to accept it without question, I looked for the door.

  36. Marjo says:

    Denise I have no sisters I only have 4 brothers. I grew up at countryside. To the town there was about 30km long drive. I didn’t have easy childhood either. My father was an alcoholic and he also was smoking. When I was little he did that inside the house, he didn’t care much of what others thought.

    His thought was that “I built the house so there is my rules”. Worst habits when he was drunk was that he made phone calls in the middle of night. My brothers seemed to be more important him, I was just like I wasn’t there. Of course I had a mother still have, but she was often in her own thoughts. I basically had to learn myself how to live life. I’m glad we were living near the forests because that’s where I spent most of my time by building tree houses lol.

    I don’t blame my mother, I know she had difficult time with alcoholist. I have good relationship with her, but my father he has drove everyone out of his life. Now he is living alone in HIS house. He has a lot of sickness. He is turning 70’s in 2020. Bottle seems to be more important to him these days. Even tho he can be annoying, but he has also been talking about God. I told him that you don’t have to belong to any religion to serve Him. Even tho he hasn’t been nice to me, he still is my father.

    My husband he has lots of sisters. This sister I was talking about is his stepsister. She has had her very bad childhood trauma, and I think there is the reason why she did that thing to us. She hasn’t treat that trauma well enough.

  37. jacqueline says:

    Denise thank you so much. One of my sons is coming tomorrow with my granddaughter. I will love the ones God sends to me. My daughter in law has a heart and promises I will get them for the next break for a week. I have always put the love of my children first and I know the teaching and indoctrination methods of the governing body has some demonic help. So they grew up under satan inspired worship and it will be difficult for them but hopefully, this fourth generation from the inception of this religion will be able to break free. Seeing that their grandparents broke free.
    You know it takes 4 generations for a curse or set pattern of behavior to be broken. I will leave my other children notes at my death releases them from grief as I am sure before they die they will realize they are captives of a concept of a religion based on constantly predicting dates for God to correct things. Each generation of men comes along and predict yet another date. Been going on since Miller in 1843 onward. Hogwash!
    Hope you are cooking some Turkey with a duck inside it and another fowl inside of that one, it is good.

  38. Denise says:

    Marjo, this is Denise, I have four very toxic, hateful sisters. My eldest threatened to call cps on me because she was mad. I was raised in a jw family, by a very narcissistic father. My eldest sister is narcissistic and three of my sisters are mentally and verbally abusive, like my father, to me. My sisters have always been put on a pedestal, and i am the scapegoat. My mom just takes on their views and opinions as she does not think for herself. Watchtower taught her not to think. I can say i am so sorry about your sister trying to ruin your life. It is because you are doing something right. The pain is always worse when family is involved. Take care.

  39. Denise says:

    Jacqueline, i am so sorry your family treated you so horribly. I wish you were my mom or grandma. I would be there with my kids eating all of your wonderful food that you cooked with love. You are a wonderful person and i know satan uses family to tear us at our core. Take care and i hope you enjoy quality time with the family you will see. 🙂

  40. jacqueline says:

    https://askjacqueline.life/line-up-of-conference-calls-on-bbb/
    This is instructions for use. I will open up the BBB for you. We have a video on how how to operate for moderators and tutoring. I will send it to you via email.
    We post when we are in BBB because others are using it also. I will email you later today.

  41. Marjo says:

    They have to accept camera options in the left upper corner of the browser if they use chrome. When they first login it is asking you to allow to use the camera on this site. Then they have to choose the webcam they are using in the list. Then they can choose the webcam from BBB site list.

  42. Jacqueline says:

    What a great idea. This video can be paused and explanation. Marjo, only a mother or father with children would think like that. Every person has a different aspect. You are GOOD at this. I was discussing how you studied the Bible alone for this year with God, Jesus and his Holy Spirit as you went thru a trial of fire. Seasoned Christians don’t think alone or in a small group will yield understanding. This sort of confused me, when I see what you have done.
    I still just love your little children sticking their heads in the screen. It warms the heart. We have got to figure out Yuna and Denise problem with their camera.

  43. Marjo says:

    Ok I’ll think about it what to add on this.

    That’s when I thought that while watching video it is good to take Bible and pause the video in certain place. Then discuss about something that they are not telling in the video. It is also good to show children where in the Bible this story is.

  44. jacqueline says:

    I listened to just a bit of it and it is intense also it doesn’t give enough reason for why he destroyed the earth. Noah says God is merciful but it doesn’t seem that way if he is destroying people without explaining a little more. It doesn’t say the people were curious as he built the ark because Methuselah name meant that “when he dies the flood will come”. So they knew for a really long time that there would be a flood and Enoch told them when He named his son.

    This is just an example of the need to be very accurate when teaching children, so I suggest a parent make sure because children can understand. I like telling them about the Goodness of God until a certain age when they began asking questions. Otherwise, they have a warped view of God.
    Just a critique of this particular video.
    Bible students on the fojw page have a section to the extreme right and the “My book of Bible Stories” can be modified to teach. The jw.org website new videos can however be disturbing and intense.
    But also children need to hear different speaking styles. We had some stories marked for our children to skip and they skipped some themselves in the My book of Bible Stories.

  45. jacqueline says:

    Marjo send it to and me in Email and I will formulate it add a photo and post it on your front page. Just tell me what you want on it. Remember it is a permanent page that does not change. The comments are fluid, they keep things rolling on a subject or a new subject.

  46. Marjo says:

    I found Bible tales from youtube, one from Noah’s ark. I watched it and it was great. They really have thought that it is not too scary for children.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAsfOcGjgoM

    I have tried to learn how to write on this my front page, but I haven’t found it yet.

  47. Marjo says:

    It is sad how they dare to use small children like that. I’m sure that those kids are thinking of you every moment but won’t tell about it to their parents lol. When they grow up I hope they will begin to follow Yeshua instead of GB. Yeshua has seen your situation. I have done a lot of cleaning today. Then my husband brought few phones that weren’t working properly and I began to fix them. There is a store here where he gets some phones which are not working properly. I was testing them with my sim card and then I drop it and lost it somewhere lol. I couldn’t find it anymore so I had to order new one. But I got phones fixed. Other one didn’t accept sim card and other one had battery dead. Another small hobby I have I fix computers too. Learned that skill from my husband, but then I began to learn more from youtube. Then I sew clothes when I can, and my main profession is chef. That’s what I did before leaving maternity leave.

  48. jacqueline says:

    Did you notice I got it so you post immediately? Now conversations can go on in real time. I have been painting and cleaning but learned I won’t get the visitors I expected but I will get one son and his daughter. My sister in laws and their elder husbands are stepping in to enforce my children not to come to my house nor let me see my grandchildren but I don’t have to see them this week. I will just ignore them, they are abusive and bold elders and it is best to just let them knock themselves out. I just laugh. if I leave this world early I plan to leave my 2 sons letters. I will not, however, reward their abuse to me by obedience to these men in New York that couldn’t care less about them and their little families. They will hopefully be around when this cult is revealed but I want them to know I don’t hold any hard feelings against them. They are ‘captives of a concept’ of men being the faithful slave and Christ working through them. I sort of expected persons to interfere in my family plans, last holiday I spent hundreds of dollars on food and cooked all day and no one showed or called to say they weren’t coming. My daughter in law was devastated but was outnumbered and overwhelmed. she is a very nice person but it is my son. One son and granddaughter did show however so io enjoyed them.
    I have decided to never buy food or cook anymore unless they say they are actually on the road. I guess I will get some sleep now it has been an emotional day.

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  49. jacqueline says:

    Denise, I confused you with another dear sister that I was texting with today while i dealt with the phone company and was painting. it is after 1 am so I guess I got to text her when everybody awake. lol

  50. Marjo says:

    When you have difficult time, Yahweh does help you. You just have to rely on that. When we had to meet Social workers which my husbands sister caused us by purpose with her lies. Someone sent us nameless letter with some money in it. I never asked that money from Yahweh, but He sent that anyway. It is because He saw that our situation caused by his sister that was based on lies. Yahweh will see what we need and He will give it to us 🙂

  51. Denise says:

    Jacqueline, i had my oldest daughter when i was 17 and married soon after. I really dont have education past high school. I had relied on my husband to support me and my children financially. Now that he is gone i feel lost on how to support us. I have made it a matter of prayer. Hopefully something will become obvious and ill know what i am supposed to do. Thanks for your helpfulness:)

  52. jacqueline says:

    Denise what a day it has been for me. I enjoyed our brief texting this morning and I love your positive attitude about getting on with your life. LLC vs Corporation. I chose to incorporate because the risk was there because of my industry and people touching people and I had a big company. So thinking of your financial welfare is just a normal, natural encouraging response, glad to see you thinking about finishing your education or just get certified with what you have in degrees already.
    I am not much help in that area because I am retired now and brain cells have probably forgotten how I did what I did with touring for those years with entertainers and running a company. This is the company I still run now from home. I place people at events http://www.stressbustersinc.org maybe go look at the model and it can give you an idea on how to build a mobile company.
    I have about 2 more hours of painting and I am done. Family will arrive Friday so I will just enjoy them.

  53. Marjo says:

    I agree with Jacqueline. It is good to heal wounds first. It might not happen right away, it might take weeks, months or even years to heal about thing like that. When someone has hurt you badly it is not a small thing at all, but you can be healed by God’s Holy Spirit to help you walk through of this. Our experiences are not often pleasant, but it is good to think it in that way you will be much much stronger after this battle when you have won it. God is always there for you and is always ready to listen what you have to say to Him. You can win this battle.

  54. Denise says:

    Thank you Jacqueline. I listened to some of joel this morning with coffee. I appreciate all of your suggestions. 🙂

  55. jacqueline says:

    I had on my Bluetooth so I didn’t look at it as it played numerous ones. The man will have you praising God and being glad to be alive. He tells you about all the times God helped people when they thought he wasn’t there. He pulls out the positive things in life and show you how you can be happy within yourself. Pick any sermon that he has and you will be uplifted. Now you can take that to the bank and cash it.lol
    Then you can listen to David Jeremiah another loving man who gets in that Bible. Is he a prophecy preacher? No. He is just simply what God clearly says in the Bible. Right now you don’t need to be pulled into another religious system. You need friends to help you walk thru this and God has put these men out there according to Daniel the knowledge moves fast over the internet, so don’t worry like Daniel did. They and we are here to help until you stand on your own two feet and take on wings and run!Remember make EVERYTHING A MATTER OF PRAYER TO OUR GOD OF ALL EXISTING THINGS.

  56. Denise says:

    Jacqueline which Joel Osteen sermon did you listen to?

  57. Marjo says:

    Jacqueline when you mentioned sound records, maybe we could make the ones that are not too horrible for children ears as jw.rg has. I personally think that things like Armageddon and other things that are not good to hear under 18 years old I think. When children are children they need to learn basics only as Bible say milk.

  58. jacqueline says:

    Denise, I just listened to a sermon by Joel Osteen tonight as I am still painting and cleaning, and thought how you would be encouraged.
    You may have noticed we are here to help you get thru distress in your life and just like there are different doctors for special illnesses, God has allowed Ministers to specialize. The ones we have been associated with deals a lot with prophecy and the preeminence of the 144,000. We don’t push agendas here but point you to those and any material that helps you. There is something on here for everybody. Greg is writing and publishing daily almost. So I thought I would explain the difference in this website and those run by a particular denomination. We just point you to Christ wherever the Truth you need to hear is.
    Repeat”and this too shall pass”, for God says he will never forsake you and Jehovah God Does Not Lie Ever.Pray with your babies and all of you listen to some bible stories. My book of bible stories on tape is good but the stories on jw.org can be scary and too intense for children. Take care

  59. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, Denise and Una, what a marvelous cultural opportunity for your children to be able to say hello to each other with you in the room. Often our children are affected when you leave a religion. I think there is at least 11 among all three of you. I am just saying use this network for your benefit. Say when you have booked it and it is yours.
    Marjo, I have to give you admin privilege to be able to open the room and practice the layouts and how to post notes and stuff so I will email you.

  60. denise says:

    thank you Marjo and Jackueline. I enjoyed seeing your beautiful children Marjo. I am curious as to why my camera would not work as it was on. Hopefully next time.

  61. Marjo says:

    I enjoyed that too, it was very pleasant moment. My family does know what I’m doing on this site. It was very nice to talk with you Denise 🙂 I could arrange some time in a week so I could speak with you often when ever I can 🙂 Take care of yourself

  62. jacqueline says:

    Denise this is a link to the bottom of each page where you will find some of the videos I mentioned.
    They are from many perspectives, not just a denomination but the Bible.
    Go here or at the bottom of every page.

    https://askjacqueline.life/#
    Don’t buy any books etc. But you can go on YouTube and look up each of their names for more study. Now Joel Osteen is a prosperity preacher. If you want to get in an uplifted mood and praise nothing but God, he will take you there.
    David Jeremiah is another good one. All of these men have a different aspect of Scripture.
    There is to me no such thing as “We got the Truth”. There is truth and error in all of the Christian religions including all I have been associated with. They often just make up phrases unique to them and not even in the Bible and make a doctrine even off one scripture.
    So you choose what you want to hear at each point in your life. Love you.

  63. jacqueline says:

    Marjo and Denise, I enjoyed Marjo’s first “Small talk and Stuff”. It was 7 pm Finland’s time, 11 am Chicago (CST) and 9 am (MT).
    We saw and got to met Marjo’s children and baby. We also saw a husband in the background, he thought he was invisible but we saw.
    Denise, I will tell our technical director Kent what your problem was with the camera and let him come on and tell you what to do. That way Marjo and your children can see each other from Finland to California. Una children will be able to come on and meet them also. I enjoyed this so much. Greg probably will tell us about the “Man to Man” session last night, waiting on it.

  64. jacqueline says:

    So I will open up for you guys and walk away. I am CST, Chicago Marjo. So I will find my time and open up 30min before you are due so you can get in.
    So Marjo it is 12 noon my time and I will open up about 11:30 am

  65. Marjo says:

    7 pm is fine for me, I will talk with you then 🙂

  66. Denise says:

    Ok marjo, is 7 pm your time ok? Or do you prefer earlier?

  67. Marjo says:

    Denise Sunday would be great 🙂

  68. Denise says:

    Hi marjo, this is denise. So you are about 10 hours ahead of me. Maybe if it works out we can talk sunday? 8 or 9 am here should make it 6 or 7pm where you are. If this weekend doesnt work maybe next. 🙂

  69. Marjo says:

    Hello Denise

    Weekends are better for me. In a week there is so much things to do. Im 8 hours ahead of Chicago time. Im still learning time difference. Before I said mistakenly 7 hours. I use World clock widget app to see the time.

  70. denise says:

    Hello Marjo, Jackueline said we need to talk :). My name is denise. ive been on under a different name, but had to change it. I read your story. I think I need to tell you mine. I just need someone to talk to. I live in California and can come on the BBB when it is good for you.

  71. Marjo says:

    Thank you! I will watch it when I can

  72. jacqueline says:

    Marjo this is how to watch Leah Remini online. https://heavy.com/entertainment/2018/11/watch-leah-remini-scientology-jehovahs-witnesses-online/
    This is the entire show from last night.

  73. Marjo says:

    I will see if I can find english version of it. They will vote about it in the summer.

  74. jacqueline says:

    Wow Marjo, I wasn’t aware of this. Do you have a link on an article so we can read it?

  75. Marjo says:

    World Wide Web is making me worried today. EU is trying to get fast through their new law about copyright. It could mean that EU countries could not watch Youtube or use sites like this one. Shutting down popular sites like WordPress. EU is totally trying to isolate its countries from other world. It makes me thinking that I could probably not use this site when their new law is accepted and stamped. There is no more freedom of speech in EU.

  76. jacqueline says:

    Thanks, I downloaded a widget called “whitelist”. As we go the program will start recognizing all of the emails. I need to fine tune but at least the widget is there.
    Thursday 6pm-10pm CST- Chicago and Saturday 6pm-12pm CST- Chicago the BBB is taken. So you figure out a time for your part of the globe and request the hours and that will be yours. I think after the A&E show is put on the internet after tonight there will be all sorts of people wanting to just talk. Also, your Life’s small struggles forum can be any person or religion. We can talk about recipes or sewing even, lol.
    The thing that makes a website work is a diversity, and believe it or not controversy. We tracked on the fojw site when we had the highest count and when they checked and bounced. An activity of any kind makes a website interesting and they will pick up some spiritual chatter on the way as they see we realize Jesus died for us ALL.
    When you send your stuff and book a day and time, only if you want to, we can get started. Take care.

  77. Marjo says:

    No it showed up right away, but it was in moderation.

  78. jacqueline says:

    Instead of answering emails sometimes I will just do what it asks. Did you have to wait before your comment appeared? I am working on that problem. You send your material to me via email and I will configure and post it.

  79. Marjo Puisto says:

    Thank you 😊
    I will begin to think my first article.

  80. jacqueline says:

    Marjo, I will wait for your Bio and article. This is your page because sometimes there is just small talk.
    I think we need a daytime show on the BBB where your side of the world is not getting up at 2 am. So Finland and that time zone might have some that want to talk also and you can post on some of your time zone facebook pages and let’s see what happens.

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