Revelation chapters 8, 20 & 21 & 16



Prophecy and Humility part 9, The 4 Seiges on Jerusalem: by Bob Carnegie, L.A. Bible Students. (Rev. 20:8-9)


Revelation 21: 1-5, mentions  "new heaven and a new earth'. Now I see it differently than ever before. Just this one part puzzled me because of other places where I saw this. Now I know to go back in the Bible to see if you find something to understand what it means in Revelation. (First Mention)

A New Heaven and a New Earth

Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[fn] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[fn] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

I will enter what I found in the comment section below. What did your rereading of the Bible reveal?

45 Responses to Revelation chapters 8, 20 & 21 & 16

  1. jacqueline says:

    This is a very interesting discussion of the woes in Revelation. It shows how it was a God of justice that destroyed a world before.

    I was thinking if we still lived on earth with huge man-eating dinosaur-like creatures that had been corrupted by the mating of the Fallen Angels. They manipulated the gene pool and corrupted all flesh on the earth. The animals and mankind had a gene problem

    The Bible says only Noah was pure. This means the wives
    were possibly corrupted that went on the ark, thus we saw it come up once again after the flood that there are Nephilim in the earth after the flood.
    Read the book of Genesis starting at Chapter 3 go through to 6 and through to David, Joshua, and the other Giant slayers.

    This is for you to do your research yourself. I am just sharing my thoughts on this.

  2. jacqueline says:

    Revelation 8: 8,9

    8 “The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,”

    9 “a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”

    This would be understood if now this happened because the ships are all stuck in the seaports with Goods on them.
    There have never been this many ships with goods stuck. This would be disaster.

  3. jacqueline says:

    We were discussing recently that Rev. 17 & 18 seemed to depict different aspects of Babylon the Great, not just religion, but Commerce in some way.

    This is an interesting discussion, food for thought. Enjoy

  4. Jacqueline says:

    This is a very easy-to-understand explanation of Daniel’s 11th and 12th Chapters.
    Chuck Smith Daniel 11 & 12. Enjoy

  5. jacqueline says:

    Did John see all of this. If so I see why he fell to his knees!
    Most people are not aware of 2 Hiroshimas since 1950!

    Horrible and might explain our cancers and in children born in subsequent generations. Man is a horrible beast when ruling each other.

  6. Lee Anthony says:

    The pope is involving himself with the enemies of Israel, they don’t Think the land should be theirs nor do they believe Jerusalem should change by being given to Israel fully. Interesting since the empires of Rome and Ottoman fought long and hard over Jerusalem, Constantinople was taken n the East and remains in Muslim control and Jerusalem was taken and in part remains in Muslim control. Both the remnants of Rome and Ottomans are playing the field in our day, Babylon and Israel are involved too. The 8th and final beast is on the rise and the 10 kings that will give their power to him are likely now among us and gaining momentum. We all have our views on how this will play out, Let’s watch and see how prophecy is fulfilled, I know like always it will be precise.

    • Good observations about the dual intentions of Rome and Israel.

      Are you stillwriting on this site? I would like to write myself.Can you help me get started? I met Jacqueline Years go on the FOJW website where she was quite a force to assisting other ex JW ‘s breakaway and investigate the Bible Students. I spent 3 1/2 months investigating and 3 months arguing before I was invited off by Peter the moderator.

      • jacqueline says:

        John HELLO!! I just saw all my messages Covid hit me and then my extended family with kids. I jumped up and hurried to get cousins and grand to their proper houses before they caught it.
        I just pulled in with my RV. Let’s talk John. But I might be An hour or so behind because I have to clean the RV right away when kids have been in it, Candy and food can get in devices and the ants will follow. LOL
        Henry and some others will probably jump in if they see this. So glad to hear from you. I am starting a series on how to help any Christian that has experience Spiritual Abuse.
        It won’t be about any one religion as our group is from many religions.

        Also, go to and talk to Dave. You know him from, fojw also under a different name.
        This is Sunday so I need to get some things done and will check to see if you have seen this.
        It has been a blessed week with my grandkids although we were fleeing Covid, LOL. Just imagine a 73-year-old grandmother and 3 adolescent grandkids in an RV. It was fun. If their parents knew what we were really doing they would faint. I let them buy slime and eat whatever they wanted at each stop.(:)

        • oh !I just came back to see if you got my message.

          Well it has been a woderful time to be alive to be able to see so many JW’s get back to the One True Religion: Yahweh and Jesus Christ and their truthful Word.

          Yes, the Bible Students are so sweet and sincere in their worship, but I have been to many ,many churches for almost twenty years, and I know one thing is true:
          God’s Spirit is taking care of who receives the truth and Christ gives the Spirit to whomever he wants and we are in no way able to say this or that person does not have it.

          I went to a JW Kingdom Hall two weeks ago to see if I could discuss the Word…..but NO…….they are in a dark cultic place of following WT. But, Im not woorried about them, because at the end, when Satan returns and tries to eliminate Christianity?…….Christ sens his ‘Two Witnesses’ to perform miracles and preach the truth….so its all coming out at the end like it did after Pentecost.

        • Hi Jacqueline,

          Im glad covid didnt kill you. There are still casualties down here in MS but since vacs and boosters the masks are seldom seen.

          I got a laugh out of the slime and anything else to have fun with. I know a camper is confinement I lived on small sailboats while working in Florida.

          I would like to get in on the phone meet (Saturday.?)in….what do I do?

          • jacqueline says:

            John for the first time ever I haven’t had time to answer or look at the site! I would never in a million lifetimes not answer you. Life with Covid and now monkeypox has caused a spinout in my little medical world but now I am back on track.

            So glad to see you were able to get on the Berean fellowship tonight.

            Now I will go find out why website is not letting you or perhaps others post comment. Maybe I need to loosen the spam. Thank you so much for alerting me to that.

          • jacqueline says:

            So John the credentials are the same for Thursday and Saturday. The Zoom is the same. We paused for the July holidays but will resume on 7/11/2022. I need to go and bring those credentials up front.

            It is so nice to see from a new person on the site what the bugs are. Thank you for that. I will make those corrections tonight after out study.

  7. jacqueline says:

    This is a dangerous alliance forming! People aren’t noticing it.
    The Papacy seems to be alive again and this beast has not changed it colors.
    Christians are aware of how Papacy behaves. They wore out the Saints! Now they have reared their ugly head again!

    Rev 16:12-17
    12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

    15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

    16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

  8. jacqueline says:

    Israel held a meeting to discuss earthquakes and their preparedness so I looked up info on earthquakes and Jehovah here.

    They spoke of 7000 people being killed so they were talking about being prepared. You can listen to their discussion here:

  9. jacqueline says:

    This video sort of depicts what I think I see in Revelation.
    Chapter 9, I think the things that look like scorpions are helicopters with men faces in the cockpit. John never saw napalm bombs, nor our sea vessels that arise out of the sea.
    But look at some of the pictures this video shows. The army men in suits doing warfare looks like what John is seeing.

    I believe John saw our modern warfare of amphibian vehicles with torpedoes. Germ warfare suits on soldiers as they climb up walls and come out of the water like the Navy seals.
    Because they have on our warfare clothing they look horrifying.

    When we look at this from a century where they still traveled by horse, foot and camel, he would be blown away.

    We might have seen some of this already and are further along in Revelation than we know.

    I see Rev 18, the takedown of society’s commercial system including huge organized religious system and vast eat out, gyms, big-box businesses, and entertainment theaters etc.

    I could be wrong about all of this, but I can see how people will be caught off guard because they are expecting literal spirit creatures and monsters. We can’t see demons unless they cloth themselves.

    Many love the rapture before this when really they are living through it like everybody else.
    WW1 onward was dreadful for us let alone poor John to see this strange warfare.

    Just thinking out loud. Vietnam was the worse chemical warfare plus Cambodia and the korean war. They outlawed Napalm after that. It burns you but you want to die but can’t.

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