Meet Marjo from Finland
A little bit of her life and journey below.
Go here for more of her story :
http://askjacqueline.life/staying-strong-amidst-difficulties/
Ladies Talking
Hello and Welcome!
My name is Marjo and I am married and we have 3 children together.
I am from Finland and my native language is Finnish.
I was baptized in 2002 and I left from Jehovah Witnesses in 2008.
The reason why I left was that I didn't get support from the congregation when it was needed.
My mother was also a Witness, but she left first. I was very alone in those moments.
When the elder told me that my mother is no longer a Witness
I began to cry. That was the only moment when someone was there for me.
No one ever asked me after that how I was, or have I got over this.
Not even elders didn't come to see me and ask how I was doing after this.
That is when I began to fade away. Then I met my husband in the same job.
Then leaving from Witnesses was easy.
Then I just e-mailed to one elder that I don't want to be a Witness anymore.
There is little of my history from Witness times. I also couldn't stand that dress code.
Now I follow Yeshua only and read the Bible.
I love different cultures and languages. So it is nice to meet new people from all over the world.
Maybe we can learn something from each other 🙂
Thank you Christopher about that Bible verse. I can be sure that we have now entered to that time what Paul was writing for Timothy. People are actually fulfilling this prophecy in our time. I think Paul knew more about this time what he is writing about.
When I think of Gay affirming churches I think of the filling scriptures.
2 Tim 4:3
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
I agree with you Christopher. I also think about the companies who support the gay parade, Aside from the fact their CEO’ etc are in illicit relationships, they will suffer financial with lawsuits.
This gay parade thing is in God’s face but to me is hiding or diverting attention away from what is happening in heavenly places.
People today do not repent anymore. I saw a video that said you can’t tell us what to do! Only the Bible tells them what to do.
Noah day no one repented although they knew from Methuselah birth that when he died the flood would come.
We know Christ will come again and have signs like Methuselah getting old but no one repents anymore.
People have been living openly without the benefit of marriage yet no parade or insistence on special recognition.
Pedophilia and gay sex are deviant acts and this makes me think of the deviance in Noah’s day and in Sodom, unnatural co-mingling. In other words, I think the demonic activity is involved. Both preceded the wrath of God in a big way. Sodom is owed an apology if God doesn’t address this.
Yes there is difficult times on horizon, but as Jesus said His road is not easy way to walk. When that is over we can joy all of the blessings what Jehovah is offering for us. Eternal life, healthy body, no more suffering, no more fear, no more hunger, no more death and no more tears. No more greedy politicans.
Hello Jacqueline
This gay talk in my country is getting really tense. Long before Christians said that it is not ok to be gay, now things has turned upside down.
Same sex people are now saying everywhere in the media that we who do not accept their behavior we are sick, mental violence having people.
Today my mother heard on the radio when they ask a question from a priest that is there a Bible verse that denies homosexuality? This priest said… NO. It is only a matter of a time when Lutheran church abandon Bible or remove those verses away.
Marjo, Christians are the most persecuted people on the earth today. Many are being killed.
But gay rights people are clouding this out, saying they are persecuted everywhere, when really the average person has never wondered about them and their sexual activity.
I see this as an act is satan to obscure the diabolical things that are happening to Christians everywhere.
This is something that is being fought in the heavenly places. I could believe now that Michael has fought and won the war in heaven and inhabitants like when Jesus was on the earth is happening.
The bible speaks against the effiemanent ones that allow themselves to be used for the sexual perversions of this demonic acts.
Even some Holy ones are being deceived. Gay pride day is coming up so maybe after that your country and the world might calm down.
In Sodom it says the whole city came out to watch the raping of the angels, So it is just as the days of Sodom.
Take Care it will blow over.
1 Thessalonians 4:1-5
Yes forcing doesnt help anyone. It must leave from their own hearts and own will.
Marjo, I saw the picture on Facebook with Jesus in Rainbow robe. Thanks for sending it by email
The fact is fornication is fornication, whether it is a male with a female or fornicating with the same sex or an animal. Pedophilia is also a crime and pedophiles need to receive the death penalty. Gays having sex is not such a big deal or special knowledge that is being imparted. We all know what goes on even with the effeminate ones. I just ignore like I ignore people I know are cheating on their mates and sleeping with everyone. I don’t discriminate, sin is sin.
They are all sins against God’s laws. Lying, stealing, gossiping and slander plus much more disobedience to Gods laws.
Why gay people have to parade their sexual preferences has baffled me. We all know it exists. One athlete said he had 3,000 women in his lifetime, we all know women sleep around, so just why the need to display themselves as immoral, perplexes me.
It is a sexual choice.
Christopher has made some valid points on God’s right to dictate law even if it causes great pain.
If you violate a child before the age of three you can flip the switch in their brain, because sexuality is not fully established. There are children born with diseases also of every nature and have to live with it.
All Creation suffers together. Sex is not the only demon plaguing us. If a gay or heterosexual person gets ill and incapacitated they both have to exercise restraint.
Many Christians are persecuted and jailed for years away from any sexual partner and they endure and often die.
Sex is not the topic that humanity should be focusing on. But Genesis 6: and Sodom Gomorrah shows us it is demonic to focus on sex all the time by the world at large. This is Satan’s world now
I just turned away from the TV show the “bachelorette”. That is a nasty sexually perverted show as is the “bachelor”.
Soaps and other shows are also sexually perverted because they sleep around like animals.
So practicing Gay persons are no different than the rest of society alienated from obedience to GOD’S Laws.
He makes the rules.
Marjo,
My belief is if they don’t want to leave that sin then I’m not going to force the issue. They’ll have the millennium to learn it. But I do see where I was coming from when coming out of that lifestyle. I was thinking that being alone for the rest of my life. Now they don’t have to choose because we have these Christendom churches are affirming them and redefining these 6 passages to make them seem like they aren’t talking about “loving committed relationships.” Hollywood is portraying them as being from completely normal families and great dads but it’s usually not that way. We usually come from diary thinks families.
Christopher, I employed lots of individuals. My very best worker was someone I placed my trust in. This Person was a regular pioneer but a practicing Gay person as I found out by being convinced by complaints from the property owners who said it was practiced openly when I toured. I simply asked that no friends, other witnesses, and pioneers, not come to the job unless they were paying customers. Kept on employing them and trusting them with my office.
I also employed other gay people, adulterers, fornicators, thieves, and liars. One person went to jail for theft. My workers all were good workers and I never cared who or how they slept with. In fact, because we had to put up tents I really needed all my males and females. To me, this was my crazy bunch of workers at huge events of 5,000 to 10,000 all over the United States. Sometimes I hired as many as 240 people per city on tour. Quite a few were obviously gay but worked as hard as my little openly fornicators. They were not all of that persuasion but we never worried about what or who they slept with.
It was a lifestyle choice for them. In fact, some were married to the opposite sex, but the lesbians, no one could really tell but I knew who they were married too.
One of the girls I could see how and why she disliked men. I had known her from infancy.
I guess it is difficult for single people within the witnesses who die without love because the sisters couldn’t find a marriage mate within the religion.
Because of not just marrying another Christian, a believer in Christ, to be obedient to the Bible, they listen to the dogma of the witnesses and I can name hundreds that never felt the love of a man because of the interpretation that they were only in the Lord. The Bible Students think that way also one told me.
Now the younger generation of females within the witnesses are resorting to lesbianism. It is becoming common and lots of people know about it. One witness, a female pioneer told me ” don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.”
My worker contracted a witness girls night out pamper party. ( my worker got sick and I honored the contract) I got there and before long realized I was in a lesbian party of all witness females. Some married.
The other therapists were known to me as I was their hairstylist from little girls. 4 of them were raped by their father, a brother, a protected by the elders’ pedophile. ( long story). They accepted me staying because they said I knew the pedophile situation in the congregation and wasn’t afraid to speak out and up for them. I tried to start a conversation but they pulled out their watchtowers and studied with one female laying on the other to front me off. I was 40 years their senior or more.
When the newspaper came out that next Monday after the party, I had to call the police. These girls were robbed and humiliated by men who knew what type of party it was and had slipped in and hidden in the closet. I warned them to lock the doors but was told the doorbell was disturbing. I was afraid of the men outside as I decided to leave while it was light outside. The girls helped me pack my table in the truck. These men visited my business that Monday because my info is on my vehicles but discovered I was older and not gay. The police fingerprinted surfaces I showed them that was touched.
As a psychotherapist, I know a lot about the reasons and inner soul of witnesses that are gay.
The police and I sat down to discuss what was going on among the witnesses and I told them about abuse and not finding a mate etc. Yet these girls felt choosing a lifestyle was okay as long as they studied their watchtower.
I am telling these experiences to let you know you are not alone. I know it is said a fornicator can marry but a gay person can’t in God’s eyes but it isn’t easy for females within the witnesses to have a companion and many die at an older age without such benefit. I have spoken with paralyzed from the neck down persons that moan and groan with all creation, alone without a companion. Mental illness has doomed many to live all alone without the benefit of spouse.
Christopher, you didn’t know why I drove to Florida to go to the convention with you because in my profession I seem to attract people that have struggles and I just love them. I was so proud of you and felt God was going to train you and use you.
I love you Christopher and understand and feel so sorry for a young one that has this trial to go through. But Jesus has promised you the world!
FAITH!! means you trust God to know what is best for us. Thanks for your comments.
If you want a page to express yourself just let me know and you have it. Read Lee Anthony’s page.
You have made a tremendous difference in commenting on this subject that only you can really talk about in experience, I can only cite experiences that were public knowledge. You, my Young brother, are living it and I can’t begin to understand but our Father in Heaven can. Jesus has promised by His Blood that it will all be righted.
We are not sinners but Saints that sin all of us.
But we fall down and we get back up again.
Rom. 8:20 “For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope” ESV
Rom 8:20 “Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope, (NLT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A5s2feN6Yk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN26jw53c0M&list=RDlN26jw53c0M&start_radio=1
There has been so much misinformation about this that I will look out for more information. It is easier to help them when you know where they come from. I have heard many times from a priest on tv whom talk with gay or trans people that God create you like that. That is such a big lie from a priest, but it is not a surprise because they left God’s commandments long long time ago.
It is easy to fight against wrong behavior when you “see” Christ front of you and say “I can do this, I can fight.” I think we were meant to have this conversation if there is someone out there battling with these things so they can read our comments.
Marjo,
Yes. If you watch the video she explains it. If you ever want more info on this YouTube Dr.Joseph Nicolosi. He was the head of this. Basically gay men are looking to fill that missing piece of them. This is why there’s so much promiscuity in the gay community. Also, the lesbian divorce rate and domestic violence is through the roof. God wouldn’t make us gay and then ask us to not do it. Plus just from a biological standpoint two men aren’t designed to go together. Their bodies and reproductive system is designed to fertilize a female. Not another male. Jehovah has made it easy for me to stay celibate for now 10 years. The world says accept myself and follow my heart and Jesus said deny yourself and follow me. That’s what I intend on doing. If I suffer with him then I’ll reign with him.
It is important to speak about this subject, because I had no idea how people become gay. I always thought that they were born to be one but that was false.
Christopher, may i call you on Sunday evening when I get home. But first let us enter into prayer. I think it is time time to discuss difficult subjects, only if God and Jesus wills it.
Jacqueline,
Here it is. I love this lady.
https://youtu.be/C54CIxm-w44
Thanks Christopher for the actual link.
I just attended a dance recital. The studio is owned by witness and some of the students are also. They did a Disney theme with tinkerbell and all. It was phenomenal. Only one guy however and he was a witness. It was such a hot to see they will compete in Orlando in July and another place later, it is a huge production. They are not your typical witnesses. I saw people from all walks of life. Some had on their American rifle society hard and proud trump supporter shirts. ( rural area). The young man accepts that Jehovah is the one that dictates what is right or wrong, not man’s laws or standards. But he loves to dance and he did it. It was a boy to see him.
Now I really feel I need to set aside time to research and listen to what you sent. As Marjo mentioned it is pervasive in Finland and every major country except Islam major countries. When I tried to address the issue of a person being non practicing Gay person on Facebook once it got so ugly from the BS population that I had to shut it down and erase the entire conversation, although I used a BS talk. I swore never to attend the Orlando convention again after a conversation with some of the brothers putting it on. So this subject was squashed at every turn. So if we get commenters on here after I post an article when I review everything , perhaps you can take an active part in the conversation. I will be home by Monday. Thanks for the actual link.
Hi everybody, I am at a dance recital today for my granddaughter. i will be on tonight. Marjo I understand what you are saying. I haven’t seen the youtube yet that Christopher posted. Since his post there are more clicks on this conversation, so I need to get on this, but I think they are coming for Christopher'”s link.
I can not blame my mother, because she was very young when she had twins. She was 14 and she got married too. So her life was at the beginning and she didn’t have no experience at all how to deal with life problems. I wonder what she would have been if she was in her 20’s before she got married. It must have been hard time for her because it was in 1973. Anyway she has been the best mother in her own way. When me and my brother were little in 1980’s she cared only that there was food in the table. She is just like her father was.
My grandfather was amazing. When we were visiting at his place there was always all kind of food on the table. That’s what I want also to be like. A person who looks after that there is always something to eat.
I have noticed that they are only talking about homosexuality in this world, but not that what causes it. Child is very vulnerable in early steps of their life, when there is no parent to guide your feelings. From my own childhood I can say that my father was a drunk (still is) and I always had to see and hear their fight. He never hit my mother. When I grew older I literally had to grow myself. I didnt know how to behave with boys. How to pay bills. I was too shy to go out alone, because no one didnt teach me social skills. So parents have huge role in that point of childs life. Now I am a parent myself, I am growing my children the way I never was. With love and care and teach dangers of this world.
In that video this woman explained everything very well. It is all about childrens emotions. If there is no one to guide you or explaining to you what they have heard or seen it is really scary in childs mind.
Marjo,
Hey. My Kingdom Hall was amazing. They let me read the reprints and volumes. They knew I was gay and never said anything about it. They showed me love either way. I left when I read the Divine Plan of the Ages. Loved it and followed that. There’s an interesting video on what causes homosexuality. I encourage all to watch it. YouTube “Homosexuality 101” it’s by Dr. Julie Hamilton. It’s matches my story 100%. We aren’t born like that not do we choose it. I highly recommend it.
Christopher thanks for sharing. When I get back home I will listen to her explanation. Take Care.
Hello Christopher!
When I was a Jehovah Witness they were against gay people, I am trying to heal myself from that thinking way. A year ago, when I began to follow Jesus I have learned that I don’t have to be so cruel as they were teaching. Gay people can also pray help from God, because God will listen everyone whom are praying. God and Jesus can see inside of us what we really are. So we can not really judge anyone like Jehovah Witnesses are doing.
We can not really see, who gives their life for Jesus, so we have to be careful about what we say for people. Also we don’t know whom God has chosen. He might have chosen a gay, drunk, atheist, killer…the list is endless. It is only a matter of time when they wake up and give their life for Jesus.
All we need to do is to pray for them.
Marjo
Yes. Ever since the Marriage ruling in 2015 so many churches have been draped in gay pride flags and are quote a “welcoming churches”. They have taken the 6 passages that speak of homosexuality and have reinterpreted them to be pro gay. I myself am homosexual and have given that up 10 years ago to follow Jesus. Even basic biology shows two men aren’t designed to go together. I have a coworker who goes to the Episcopalian church and if Jesus didn’t talk about it then he doesn’t want to hear it. It’s sad.
Christopher, it takes a lot of humility to openly say this, thank you and may God reward you for standing up for his principles, my brother. You have had a journey and part of my decision was based on defending you. I love and respect you, Christopher!
Christopher, I have been wondering what is meant about even the holy ones would be deceived if possible and get to believing the Lie. Sodom society condoned homosexual activity because it said the whole town was there. Some perhaps to witness the event of the raping of the angels. Could this lie be this acceptance and flaunting it in defiance of His decree about marriage. You can lose your job if you say anything and won’t be able to buy or sell if deemed homophobic.
Revelation 12 talks about the devil pulling a third of the heavenly host down with him and woe for the earth. This takes place after the warrior angel Michael wins the battle and they are banished. It is untrue that this happened in 1914 or that it is an ecclesiastical war as the Bible students believe because certain things happen after it and it is an end time scripture not in the time period both of the religions suggest.
The court system is changing laws. Something nefarious is amidst. These are just my thoughts. What do you think is going on. This does not appear to be a passing fancy.
I might not see your answer for 24 hrs but others will and this isn’t just to you. I am without internet until I reach my destination. Thanks for opening this conversation up along with Marjo. Take Care.
In the days of Noah, the punishment was severe for those angels that sinned and their excursion might or could be different this time as they saw Jehovah will not let their offspring live. So it is sex but with no offspring this time perhaps.
It is interesting how many company is supporting gay pride parade at this year. Today on the news they said that church is taking part of this parade. We can see more and more signs that the end is near.
Hi Renee and Margo
I was reading your comments and it is so true when you mention the lack of compassion for those who are in need by the Organization. In my 50 years experience as a Witness the only ones I have seen get any real help have been the popular members of the congregation. Collections and help given to the Circuit overseer or a prominent elder or pioneer. When it comes to others who are not as active or those outside of the congregation, little or no help is given. There seems to be a callousness. They view their help to the poor is through Bible studies and field service. They discourage giving to many organizations that help the poor because they are associated with churches yet don\\\’t provide other acceptable options.
Jesus taught us to show compassion to the poor. He did more than preach! He healed the sick, and fed those who came to hear him. It\\\’s true his main focus was on preaching. He knew he only had a short time to get his work done and fulfill his reason for being on earth. Jesus did make the statement in Mathew 26 that \\\”you will always have the poor with you.\\\” It was shortly before he was going to be put to death. The expensive oil that was poured on him was to prepare him for burial.
Since I have been mentally out for two years I have seen more Christian compassion for others being done by the churches in one day than in the entire 50 years of being a Witness. I attend a mens Bible study group on Friday mornings made up of about 30 men. Each year they select a ministry or charity to support in the community. There is a grassroots organization in the area that focuses on help young people come to Christ. They provide not only spiritual help by physical help as well, providing them a place to engage in various activities, food, clothing and counseling. The organization is held in an older building in need of major repairs or it would be condemned. In one night we collected totally voluntary contributions of over $20,000, just enough to do the repairs needed. Just 30 of us! No one can tell me that the Lord wasn\\\’t behind this!
Last year we collected over $10,000 for a ministry based in Ohio and Indiana. They go into the worst parts of cities and through their evangelical, grass roots efforts establish home churches. To date they have established over a hundred home churches in 3 States. Churches made up of converted drug dealers, prostitutes, and drug addicts. People who are forced to live in the projects and slums. These people have changed their way of life to serve our Lord. The ministry is paid for by voluntary donations. They pay all their own expenses to travel to these cities providing support for those home churches. This is Christianity! Ministries like these have done more to spread the Gospel than anything I have seen as a Jehovah\\\’s Witness.
It reminds me of the parable of the Good Samaritan! Who really is your neighbor? Those who provide perfunctory verbal support like those religious leaders, or those who provide real help, not just spiritually but physically.
Matthew 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
When we help others in need spiritually and physically we provide a great witness. We help others know the love of Christ.
I had a nice experience today while I was in a hospital at nurse appointment. This nurse began to talk about spiritual things. I think Jesus led her to speak with me because she spoke the same things what I believe. Long time I have been looking for people, whom have the same faith in my country and now I found them. She was very warm and lovely person and full of Spirit. I felt that Jesus was with us in that moment. When you pray you will find what you are looking for, even it might take a while. She told me that there is a priest who was able to get in to Russian prison where no one else has ever been.
I don’t blame elders, because governingbody has told them to behave in wrong way and they think it is right thing to do, because they can not think of their own thoughts.
Actually we should pray forgiveness for these people, because they don’t know what they are doing.